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Post by joshingabout on Mar 5, 2011 15:11:33 GMT -5
The question is self-explanatory. As much as people dislike Kern's 'version' of Charmed, is there anything that "his" seasons of Charmed did right?
In my opinion, there are things that his seasons of Charmed did right:
1) Cole. He was a welcome change to Charmed, and many fans agree... although I did get a little bored of him eventually. I actually liked Crazy-Cole, as it shook things up a little.
2) Victor. Connie's Victor annoyed me, and seemed really creepy. I like to think that "Thank You For Not Morphing" never happened. I loved Victor's character towards the end of the series as it was really nice to see him try to mend his torn relationship with his daughters.
3) Henry. He's the perfect partner for Paige, and he made Season 8 much more enjoyable for me.
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Post by ljones on Mar 5, 2011 15:28:33 GMT -5
Kern did a few things right. He handled the male supporting characters a lot better than Connie Burge did. Cole was the only reason that kept me watching the series another two years. I was about to give up on the show after the very stagnant Season 2.
He introduced the use of multi-episodic storylines throughout an entire season or at least during half a season. His storylines tended to start out strong and ended up weak, unfortunately. Burge only used this type of storytelling in the episodes leading up to Andy's death.
And I thought he did a good job of using Patty's relationship with Sam from Season 2's "P3 H2O" as a means of introducing Paige into the series.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 5, 2011 15:28:53 GMT -5
The question is self-explanatory. As much as people dislike Kern's 'version' of Charmed, is there anything that "his" seasons of Charmed did right? In my opinion, there are things that his seasons of Charmed did right: 1) Cole. He was a welcome change to Charmed, and many fans agree... although I did get a little bored of him eventually. I actually liked Crazy-Cole, as it shook things up a little. Cole was Connie's idea, but had she stayed, he only would've been in Season 3. Amen! I just wish they'd given an explanation for the change. Definitely - if only their relationship wasn't so rushed. I wish she'd met him in S7 rather than Kyle Brody - can't STAND Brody! The idea of him a whitelighter made me sick to my stomach! 4) Zankou - my favorite bad guy - wish he'd been able to vanquish the Charmed Ones. 5) Kyra - LOVED the idea of the demon who wanted to be human! WOuld've loved a spin-off starring her, especially if we found out that *she* was Phoebe's true love! |
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Post by joshingabout on Mar 5, 2011 15:43:40 GMT -5
Cole was Connie's idea? I never knew that. I just read that she didn't want Phoebe to have a forbidden love as Piper had just had that storyline in Season 2, so I assumed it was Kern's idea.
I preferred Cole's relationship with Phoebe in Season 4, but I really liked his craziness in Season 5. I thought it was a bit of an eyebrow raiser when The Charmed Ones couldn't defeat him after he'd acquired all the powers from the Wasteland, though.
I agree - I LOVED Zankou! An intelligent demon with actual CHARACTER. Besides Cole, Drake and Kyra, I can't think of many others, if any.
I really liked the introduction of Paige. I think she brought something to the show that was lacking when Season 3 finished: some humour and light-heartedness. It was all blaaargh brotherhood and FML Cole is evil - AGAIN. Paige really brightened up the series for me.
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 5, 2011 18:32:38 GMT -5
Posted by joshingabout on Today at 3:11pm
Just a thought here. Introducing daddy dearest at the time, might have been one of the few ways to go about it. All we really knew of Victor was how Prue felt about him, as Phoebe had almost no true memories of him and Piper as the peace-maker might have had inaccurate recall.
Prue knows that he just walked away, and as far as the girls knew never returned or thought about them. Speaking for myself only, this is not an individual I would just welcome back with open arms and no questions asked.
Prue I think was justified in her suspicions. And I did not believe for one minute that he had their best interest at heart. It might have changed to-wards the end of the episode, but he didn't enter into it with love and devotion for his three daughters. He never bother to find out about their powers and how they were to be used. He hated magic and just consoled himself with the idea he was doing the right thing...with a little personal gain on his part.
I think his entrance was just about right-on. You were not suppose to embrace him. But in time you did get to know him, as he grew and became more of a father. I think.
This portion of my post is a bit out of step as I knew we are not chatting about demons, but since intelligent ones are mentioned I thought I would add one of Connie's......Tempest!! Nothing stupid about that one. Mr. Cool, Calm and Collected...oh, yeah!!
Silly little side line...lets take a good look at when Tempest is first mentioned..."Deja Vu All Over Again". When he resets time I would gather that it was world wide and not just limited to San Fran. In which case, maybe when we experience Deje Vu, maybe we should just blame it all on Tempest...I wonder if the powers that be thought of that one? ;D
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Post by joshingabout on Mar 6, 2011 5:35:46 GMT -5
Ooh, I forgot about Tempus. He was definitely one of the better demons. Shame their aren't that many memorable demons as characters, though, throughout the entire series.
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Post by Lexi on Mar 6, 2011 7:29:04 GMT -5
Zankou, Drake and Kyra. They are the three demons that Kern did get right. The only problem was that they didn't stick around long enough. I would have loved to have seen Zankou defeat the Charmed Ones, he was smart enough for the job. Drake and Kyra were around for, what? Two or three episodes. I really wished that they were around for longer and Kyra got the chance to be human.
Kern's Victor was a lot more likeable and I'm glad that he showed up when he did. Kern changed Victor into a person that many people liked by making up for his time away from his daughters by looking after his grandsons; even if they were magical.
I feel the same as Es, I would have loved to have seen Henry show up earlier - maybe even in Season 6 to get rid of the Richard problem too. I couldn't stand Richard, although it was nice to see another magical family so that is the only reason I put up with it if I ever watch season 6 anymore (it's not often that I do).
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 10:12:31 GMT -5
Zankou, Drake and Kyra. They are the three demons that Kern did get right. The only problem was that they didn't stick around long enough. I would have loved to have seen Zankou defeat the Charmed Ones, he was smart enough for the job. Drake and Kyra were around for, what? Two or three episodes. I really wished that they were around for longer and Kyra got the chance to be human. Oops! I'm definitely embarrassed that I forgot about Drake, the one who shouldn't have died and who should've married Phoebe. Call him another great idea done wrong. Ditto for both Kyra and Zankou. Richard was another great idea done wrong. Like so many of Kern's slampieces, I loved his male character until he decided to get rid of him - he always did it in such a way where you couldn't stand him. I've always wondered if Kern would get jealous of the guy and have to try to turn him into a horrible character. If Henry hadn't been introduced in the last season, I'm sure that would've happened to him. |
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Post by Lexi on Mar 6, 2011 12:36:35 GMT -5
Either that or Kern was getting bored of the character and didn't care how he turned out. I really hope that wasn't the reason but you never know...
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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 15:43:45 GMT -5
[quote author=esmeralda board=anouncement thread=9188 post=395546 time=1299356933
can't STAND Brody! The idea of him a whitelighter made me sick to my stomach![/quote]
Thank god for that! Me too, the only explanation for this is that he helped bring down the Avatars, and if the Elders disagree with something, then it must be evil.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 17:55:10 GMT -5
I can't STAND Brody! The idea of him a whitelighter made me sick to my stomach! Thank god for that! Me too, the only explanation for this is that he helped bring down the Avatars, and if the Elders disagree with something, then it must be evil. Sounds just like what Kern's Charmed Ones believed. *shudder* |
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Post by Astral Echo on Mar 6, 2011 18:50:03 GMT -5
Whether or not these were all Kern's ideas are questionable. Cause while a lot of them were established well, they turned sour rather quickly. Which makes me think single writers brought these ideas to fruitation and then as Kern took them on board, he slowly turned them bad as looked for a way to resolve the storyline.
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Post by ljones on Mar 6, 2011 23:06:49 GMT -5
One could say the same about Patty and Grams. They had seemed more interested in the girls' "destiny" as witches than allowing them to be individuals.
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 7, 2011 0:33:28 GMT -5
Posted by ljones on Yesterday at 11:06pm
Not so sure about Patty on that one since in life she was not around long enough to convince me of her true intentions, but as for Grams...I do have to agree with you. When the girls went back in time and Gram's finally believed them...to the point of wanting to know what the stock in IBM was doing, it wasn't a mystery as to how proud and please she was to be part of the line that was the Charmed Ones. But, after the girls departed, did she have memory of this. I don't recall. If not, than she didn't know of the girls destiny and could not have planned for it. In which case, if she had no memory then the girls were just going to be average witches....and so what? Does anyone know just when Gram's knew and could contribute to the girls growth as the Charmed One?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 7, 2011 8:49:35 GMT -5
Posted by ljones on Yesterday at 11:06pm Not so sure about Patty on that one since in life she was not around long enough to convince me of her true intentions, but as for Grams...I do have to agree with you. When the girls went back in time and Gram's finally believed them...to the point of wanting to know what the stock in IBM was doing, it wasn't a mystery as to how proud and please she was to be part of the line that was the Charmed Ones. But, after the girls departed, did she have memory of this. I don't recall. If not, than she didn't know of the girls destiny and could not have planned for it. In which case, if she had no memory then the girls were just going to be average witches....and so what? Does anyone know just when Gram's knew and could contribute to the girls growth as the Charmed One? Yes, Grams did have a memory of the sisters' visit. It makes no sense for her to erase the memory from her and Patty's memories - instead she was talking about erasing it from Little Prue and Little Piper, the reason they don't remember, which is why her not remembering them in "Forever Charmed" doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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Post by ljones on Mar 7, 2011 18:30:25 GMT -5
His mindset was no different than Piper's, following Prue's death and Leo's promotion to Elder. Only his desire for revenge lasted a lot longer.
However, I've noticed that many of the Brody haters tend to ignore the fact that Paige had set him straight about the identity of his parents' killers. And that he was eventually right about the Avatars being a danger. I guess the Avatars' idea of humanity acting like the Stepford Wives is considered something positive.
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 9, 2011 5:42:40 GMT -5
Kern years: Cole Wyatt -child and evil, good Wyatt was so fake that I thought he was acting- Chris Henry Crone Zankou Drake Kyra Christy- a good character with too few time to develope- the Seer
Burge years: Andy Tempus Leo the Triad
The writers were more or less 40 so I think the characters were discussed and refined by more than one person and I think that
often the brevity of the presence of the actors was linked to their commitments and their cost
Kyle was an interesting character but I can't stand that actor so I was biased against him
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 9, 2011 8:25:02 GMT -5
Kern years: Cole Wyatt -child and evil, good Wyatt was so fake that I thought he was acting- Chris Henry Crone Zankou Drake Kyra Christy- a good character with too few time to develope- the Seer Burge years: Andy Tempus Leo the Triad The writers were more or less 40 so I think the characters were discussed and refined by more than one person and I think that often the brevity of the presence of the actors was linked to their commitments and their cost Kyle was an interesting character but I can't stand that actor so I was biased against him Is this what you thought Kern did right? It sounds like what you thought Kern and Connie did wrong. Or am I misreading it? |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 9, 2011 11:24:43 GMT -5
those are the characters I like and I forgot in the Burge years the cupid: he was funny and more likeable than the sexy Coop of season 8
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Post by ljones on Mar 9, 2011 12:37:30 GMT -5
These are the only characters you can remember from Burge's tenure?
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