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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 13:14:21 GMT -5
Does anyone think that this phase kind of applies to the Elders? I think they appeared to be very irational. They enforced rules over which often made little sense and were seen to direspect those they rules over on a multitude of occasions. Furthermore, they seemed to fail to actualy care about them.
Just as a point of refrence, I'm thinking this after recently watching 'Ordinary Witches' where the Elders attempt to kill Leo from becoming an Avatar. Now, the Avatars hadn't killed anyone (and leo certainly hadn't) so as far as I'm concerned no one knew them to be evil (and certainly didn't know that of Leo). They basicly were willing to kill leo for being something they didn't aprove of or for betraying them. Nether bery good reasons imo
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 17:57:13 GMT -5
Does anyone think that this phase kind of applies to the Elders? I think they appeared to be very irational. They enforced rules over which often made little sense and were seen to direspect those they rules over on a multitude of occasions. Furthermore, they seemed to fail to actualy care about them. Just as a point of refrence, I'm thinking this after recently watching 'Ordinary Witches' where the Elders attempt to kill Leo from becoming an Avatar. Now, the Avatars hadn't killed anyone (and leo certainly hadn't) so as far as I'm concerned no one knew them to be evil (and certainly didn't know that of Leo). They basicly were willing to kill leo for being something they didn't aprove of or for betraying them. Nether bery good reasons imo It applies to the Elders; it also applies to Wyatt. |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 18:01:38 GMT -5
How so? Like, obviously the whole alternaive evil future thing, but assuming the good Wyatt we say on those two occasions is the real future Wyatt?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 18:12:54 GMT -5
Although it wasn't shown, it should've been. It's part of why I don't believe Forever Charmed ever actually happened, that it's just Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in Kill Billie, Vol 2.
Either that, or he truly didn't have as many powers as some people make him out to be - that like Chris, he might have been the first to be Twice Blessed - half-Charmed/half-whitelighter - but he wasn't the last.
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Post by pppiper on Mar 6, 2011 18:42:35 GMT -5
What wasn't shown, you've lost me?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 6, 2011 21:09:26 GMT -5
What wasn't shown, you've lost me? It wasn't actually shown which was the real Wyatt... |
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Post by ljones on Mar 6, 2011 23:04:27 GMT -5
It applied to the Halliwells and Leo, as well.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 7, 2011 1:54:28 GMT -5
I can see the Halliwells (since they were powerful witches and it did got to their heards at times and sometimes they did things that they absolutely never should have with those powers), but Leo? Or do you mean when he was either an elder or an Avatar, since by the end of the show, he was without any magical powers (seeing as we are talking about power corrupting not just corruption in general)? Or perhaps you are refuring to some nonmagical power, though I'm not sure Leo had anything like that by the end of the show either.
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Post by pppiper on Mar 7, 2011 10:21:25 GMT -5
What wasn't shown, you've lost me? It wasn't actually shown which was the real Wyatt... Ah right, sorry, that was a bit blonde of me ;D. I always assume that good Wyatt is the real furutre as he is the very last Wyatt we see. |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 7, 2011 11:22:33 GMT -5
It applied to the Halliwells and Leo, as well. How so? |
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 7, 2011 16:19:08 GMT -5
I truly have no right to interject much concerning any seasons after four as I have only seen later episodes hit and miss, but I did tune in for the closer and thought the same way. I believed that Kern and Coven wanted a pretty ending where life was beautiful and everything was wonderful. Piper became Donna Reed and Leo "Father Knows Best". Kern had indeed reset time and Wyatt was a terrific kid making all A's at Berkeley. If that was his desire then Kern is watching to much retro TV or he is lying about his age.  |
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Post by pppiper on Mar 7, 2011 16:25:50 GMT -5
I truly have no right to interject much concerning any seasons after four as I have only seen later episodes hit and miss, but I did tune in for the closer and thought the same way. I believed that Kern and Coven wanted a pretty ending where life was beautiful and everything was wonderful. Piper became Donna Reed and Leo "Father Knows Best". Kern had indeed reset time and Wyatt was a terrific kid making all A's at Berkeley. If that was his desire then Kern is watching to much retro TV or he is lying about his age. Don't you think it would of been a bit of a waste to have watched a show for eight years only for things to turn out horribly? Happy endings usualy happen, that's kinda universal imo  |
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 7, 2011 16:31:56 GMT -5
Posted by pppiper on Today at 4:25pmJust speaking for myself....inbetween black and white, I tend to look for shades of gray.
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Post by Lexi on Mar 7, 2011 17:09:31 GMT -5
I truly have no right to interject much concerning any seasons after four as I have only seen later episodes hit and miss, but I did tune in for the closer and thought the same way. I believed that Kern and Coven wanted a pretty ending where life was beautiful and everything was wonderful. Piper became Donna Reed and Leo "Father Knows Best". Kern had indeed reset time and Wyatt was a terrific kid making all A's at Berkeley. If that was his desire then Kern is watching to much retro TV or he is lying about his age. Don't you think it would of been a bit of a waste to have watched a show for eight years only for things to turn out horribly? Happy endings usualy happen, that's kinda universal imo I would have prefered not to know how the future turned out. Rather than seeing how everyone turned out, I'd like to have seen the Charmed Ones be finished 'for now'. |
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Post by ljones on Mar 7, 2011 18:21:04 GMT -5
Bingo. He also abused his powers occasionally with Piper . . . especially in "Awakened". Which led to the Elders clipping his wings.
A bittersweet ending could have sufficed. Or one with an ambiguous ending.
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 7, 2011 18:55:28 GMT -5
I am in complete agreement with Lexi and LJones. I especially like the idea of an ambiguous final. A number of shows have ended that way back in the early days. In fact the original "The Fugitive", running from 1963 to 1967 and staring the late great Davide Janssen was unique among series of this type to resolve the situation at hand. Sure, you might say it was a happy ending but it was a truthful one considering the Dr. Kimble did not kill his wife. Note: The final for The Fugitive was the most watched episode in television history until Dallas surpassed it with everyone wanting to know who shot JR....I missed it as I didn't care...  |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 9, 2011 5:17:43 GMT -5
Charmed'ld become a golden goose with that final they'ld make different types of spin off
- the classic Wyatt and Chris spin off or
-Wyatt Chris Melinda story two powerful brother with classic troublemaker teen sister or
-Phoebe's girls as psychologist-Charlie's angels or
-Henry junior as a witch without powers detective with two overactive powerful twin sisters or (my fear)
-next generation spin off
The production wanted three children for sisters to lock a good number of characters up for sale
I'ld like an ambiguous final too, as in season 7
It'ld have been enough if they had ended on the image of Phoebe writing: "So much has happened over the last eight years. So much has been gained and lost..
"they'ld have had to end with these words, Phoebe talking of their 8 years as witches, a final which sends back to the start, the night when Phoebe found the Book of Shadows
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 9, 2011 8:27:38 GMT -5
Charmed'ld become a golden goose with that final they'ld make different types of spin off - the classic Wyatt and Chris spin off or -Wyatt Chris Melinda story two powerful brother with classic troublemaker teen sister or -Phoebe's girls as psychologist-Charlie's angels or -Henry junior as a witch without powers detective with two overactive powerful twin sisters or (my fear) -next generation spin off The production wanted three children for sisters to lock a good number of characters up for sale I'ld like an ambiguous final too, as in season 7 It'ld have been enough if they had ended on the image of Phoebe writing: "So much has happened over the last eight years. So much has been gained and lost.. "they'ld have had to end with these words, Phoebe talking of their 8 years as witches, a final which sends back to the start, the night when Phoebe found the Book of Shadows I agree totally, so much better than 3 women in their 30's writing about their lives in their 40's-80's. |
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