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Post by ljones on Sept 4, 2011 13:19:49 GMT -5
Prue proved in "Death Takes a Halliwell" that she was perfectly capable of turning evil without the help of any spell. That's why Cole stopped her from beating that Seeker to death in a fit of rage.
And I'm confused, but part of this storyline is about the Charmed Ones conquering the Underworld? Why . . . and then what? What happened after they "conquered" the Underworld?
Why would Prue be protective of Astral Projection? That strikes me as an ability that any of them could have learned to use.
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 4, 2011 17:05:11 GMT -5
And I'm confused, but part of this storyline is about the Charmed Ones conquering the Underworld? Why . . . and then what? What happened after they "conquered" the Underworld? That was merely a tagline for the issue. The Underworld isn't actually conquered  The closest resemblance to 'conquering the Underworld' is the fact that many demons were vanquished and forced back to the Underworld when it split apart from The Heavens. Why would Prue be protective of Astral Projection? That strikes me as an ability that any of them could have learned to use. I'm not sure either. Telekinesis would surely be the power that she'd be the most protective of? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 4, 2011 19:06:32 GMT -5
No, she wouldn't be. But she definitely couldn't teach Leo so he could teach her sisters. If she could, I'm sure she would've, but I'm just as sure she couldn't, no more than Piper could teach Leo how to teach Phoebe and Paige how to freeze time, or Phoebe could teach Leo how to teach Piper and Paige how to have premonitions or Paige could teach Leo how to teach Piper and Phoebe how to orb. Powers just don't work that way.
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Post by ljones on Sept 5, 2011 0:57:34 GMT -5
Why not? Surely any magic practitioner could learn to practice an ability utilizing a chant or spell.
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Post by Jad on Sept 6, 2011 16:55:41 GMT -5
To side with Ms. ljones, in later seasons they, the charmed one, could make potions and spells to duplicate their powers. It was not an easy thing to do, and it took many a year of trial and error to get there. I cannot cite the relevant episodes right now as I'm to lazy to watch season 6 or 7 just to prove a point.  |
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Post by Reality Bites on Sept 6, 2011 18:23:43 GMT -5
Jad, I can remember some of the episodes in which these things take place.  In Season 4 - Charmed and Dangerous, Piper makes a potion to replicate her exploding power once The Hollow absorbs her powers. In Season 4 - Long Live the Queen, Piper also makes a potion to replicate her freezing power, although it scalds the skin. In Season 5 - Sympathy for the Demon, Phoebe uses an astral projection spell to mock Barbus (although, if they had this spell since season five, why did they need Leo to teach them how to properly astral project?). In Season 7 - Cheaper by the Coven, Grams uses a spell to replicate the freezing power. Those are just the instances I can remember off the top of my head, however I'm sure there are a couple more. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 6, 2011 18:44:11 GMT -5
If we'd seen them using spells or potions to replicate Prue's power (although why she'd have to teach Leo how to do that, I have no idea) then I'd agree, but the sisters did nothing like that.
Now had Leo said that Prue suggests that they try to find a potion or a spell to replicate her power, that would be totally different, although again it would definitely make the comics inconsistent with the show.
But I don't believe that happened. I believed that Kern had Leo teach the sisters how to astral project so they could get out of that mess. A horrible tip of the cap to Prue (since at the time the episode was written, everyone was certain that would be the series finale, not just the season finale), but one nonetheless.
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Post by ljones on Sept 6, 2011 20:59:59 GMT -5
Phoebe DID use astral projection in Season 5's "Sympathy For the Demon".
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 8, 2011 7:53:49 GMT -5
Es means in "Something Wicca This Way Goes..." where no mention of a spell or potion is heard, just that they did it via Prue teaching Leo how to use her active powers, which I agree makes no sense.
Es, how do you mean the comics would be inconsistent if the above Astral Projection was used via spells or potions?
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 8, 2011 11:21:12 GMT -5
 OOPS! My bad! I must've skimmed the other posts rather than reading them. I personally would not like it if they did use potions/spells to exactly duplicate other powers (Why have powers if you can do that? Besides setting up Superwitches), but it definitely could be done and would not be inconsistent.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 8, 2011 23:01:09 GMT -5
Happened to notice this at a different site: Season 1, Episode 20, "The Power of Two": The Soul Collector said she'd been expecting to have either Prue or Phoebe's soul but got none since they managed to vanquish that Ward spirit. However, she did threaten Prue to take her soul... I hadn't heard that theory before - definitely sounds plausible and definitely sounds like something Paul would pick up on. I'd prefer that to Prue being the Next Big Bad. |
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 10, 2011 6:31:20 GMT -5
Really Es, you've not heard the Charon theory before? xD I've mentioned it loads I'm sure! It was one of the first things that I thought of in terms of a plausible return for Prue. I really hope that Ruditis goes along this route, as I ADORE it when past seasons are revisited, which is why I love Season 9 so much, as there's so many references to past episodes. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 10, 2011 10:25:50 GMT -5
Nope, sincerely, it's the first time I'd heard it and I feel embarrassed that I never considered it myself, since I've watched that episode so much.
I also hope that that's what Ruditis uses, although looking at what he did in the first couple arcs, if indeed it's as popular as a theory as you say, I somehow doubt that that's what he'll use, which would be very disappointing.
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Post by cyma on Sept 13, 2011 14:06:29 GMT -5
I really hope Ruditis reads every ‘what happened to Prue’ theory and comes up with something never thought of before that shocks us, in a good way. It's just too bad they still couldn't acquire the rights to use Shannen's likeness  |
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 14, 2011 8:40:02 GMT -5
I'm annoyed at that as well. The comics have nothing to do with Brad Kern, so I'd've thought that Shannen might've wanted to please her fans... but I guess pride is more important.
Le sigh. Ah well, I don't think they need to use her likeness in all honesty, just make her stand out and 'recognisible' as Prue.
One suggestion from a fan was to have her come back with the long blonde hair that was seen in Morality Bites. That way she'd look different enough to not need the rights to Shannen's appearence but we'd still recognise her as Prue. Well, the die-hard fans would. Not sure if any newbie readers who haven't seen the show would.
Paul's thought up an in-universe reason as to why we can't see Prue as Shannen, so I'm happy with that, as long as Prue makes a return.
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Post by cyma on Sept 14, 2011 12:42:05 GMT -5
I think this time it has more to do with legal hassles or something, instead of Shannen’s permission. Paul mentioned in the Q&A section of the Charmed Comic site that getting rights is a time-consuming process, seeing how long it took just to get comic rights. So I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a miracle. Even though, the young Prue picture in the comics looked nothing like Little Prue in the show, she somehow reminded me of the older version. So if they could do the same thing with the grown-up Prue, I’ll be…..satisfied. As for blonde Prue, only do it once for one issue that's it. A one-off thing, not permanent, just like the show. But when and where did Paul mention he had an in-universe reason as to why Prue will look different  |
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 14, 2011 16:10:17 GMT -5
But for the likenesses, all the other actresses had to do was say "Yes"... But for Shannen? Seems blown out of proportion yet again. To answer your last question: SPOILERS "Then it became a question of whether or not we should use the character in some other form or just continue to ignore Prue as they had in the series after her death. I felt very strongly that her story had more to it and we were able to get the approval to tell that tale within the constraints of the likeness rights situation. Please know that I have spent a lot of time working this storyline out to make sure that it has grown out of a genuine place within the mythology. I hope to give this beloved character the return she so richly deserves. Even though you might not recognize her physically, I hope you can still connect with her emotionally." [/spoiler] I tried using the spoiler tags but it seems to be broken? =/ |
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Post by cyma on Sept 15, 2011 3:17:54 GMT -5
I’ve read that before and doesn't seem much of a spoiler than a tease It seems like he’s saying that because of the likeness situation, she will look different, but he hopes us fans could still connect with her emotionally. In the same answer, Paul made it sound as if getting the rights to Shannen’s likeness is as hard and time-consuming as getting the rights to the comics. So perhaps there’s more to it than Shannen saying a simple yes…… |
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Post by joshingabout on Sept 16, 2011 10:52:11 GMT -5
I'd say what made it so complicated was that they had to convince her not to be such a diva... I don't get why getting the other actresses likenesses was made to seem simple, but Shannen's isn't? To me that indicates that she truly wants nothing to do with the show... which sucks, as she has a legion of loyal Prue-fans. |
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Post by cyma on Sept 17, 2011 14:19:34 GMT -5
Only actresses to leave on bitter terms that not even a picture or a ghost could make an appearance. But if she could return for the fans in the 90210 show, then granting permission for her likeness for the Charmed comic shouldn’t be that much of an issue to her, unless it’s legal or something. *Sigh* We'll just never know. Only Shannen, Zenescope and CBS would.
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The closest resemblance to 'conquering the Underworld' is the fact that many demons were vanquished and forced back to the Underworld when it split apart from The Heavens. 
OOPS! My bad! I must've skimmed the other posts rather than reading them. I personally would not like it if they did use potions/spells to exactly duplicate other powers (Why have powers if you can do that? Besides setting up Superwitches), but it definitely could be done and would not be inconsistent.
