JUDGING THE CHARMED ONES: CRIMES & MISDEMEANORS

[whitelightertony]

If they don't want demons to hunt them . . . they should have gotten rid of their d**n powers.

Again, there was no guarantee that demons would leave them alone just because they re-bound or relinquished their powers. Do you really think Rex and Hannah would have just walked away and left them alone in "Wicca Envy"?

And the idea that demons keep going after them because of their powers is so ridiculous. It's ridiculous. Why would demons - who are higher on the supernatural hierarchy than your most powerful witch - would be after the powers of witches in the first place? It made no sense.

Not all demons are necessarily more powerful than all witches. And why they would want the Charmed Ones' power is simple. Greed. Pride. Taking out the Charmed Ones and being able to flaunt their powers would be like displaying a trophy on one's mantle. Not to mention the powers would come in handy. What demon wouldn't want the additional ability to freeze matter or receive premonitions?

An example of this idiocy was in "Charmed and Dangerous", when the Source used the Hollow to steal the sisters' powers. What the hell for? The Power of Three alone could not kill him. So why in the hell would he need their powers?

To make sure he had every advantage at his disposal, in case they tried anything sneaky. After hearing of The Seer's premonition, he wasn't about to take any chances.

[ljones]

Again, there was no guarantee that demons would leave them alone just because they re-bound or relinquished their powers. Do you really think Rex and Hannah would have just walked away and left them alone in "Wicca Envy"?

To me that is simply a contrived reason that Kern and his writers had created to ensure that the sisters will continue killing demons for as long as they can. It really makes no sense for demons to go after them, if their powers are gone. Come to think of it, it makes no sense for demons to kill witches - including the Charmed Ones - for their powers.

To make sure he had every advantage at his disposal, in case they tried anything sneaky. After hearing of The Seer's premonition, he wasn't about to take any chances.

This is either piss-poor characterization on the writers' part, or the Source was merely a moron. He could have easily killed the sisters in the Season 4 premiere.

Not all demons are necessarily more powerful than all witches.

Why not? demons are at a higher state of being than humans. It makes no sense for some witches - who are mortals - to be more powerful than demons.

[whitelightertony]

To me that is simply a contrived reason that Kern and his writers had created to ensure that the sisters will continue killing demons for as long as they can. It really makes no sense for demons to go after them, if their powers are gone. Come to think of it, it makes no sense for demons to kill witches - including the Charmed Ones - for their powers.

Since when were the actions of demons ever grounded in logic or sensibility?

And demons want to steal witches' powers, and so they kill the witches after stealing their powers to make sure the witches can't reclaim their stolen powers. Makes sense to me.

This is either piss-poor characterization on the writers' part, or the Source was merely a moron. He could have easily killed the sisters in the Season 4 premiere.

Not in his mindset. He was too obsessed with trying to "turn" Paige during the 48-hour window.

Of course, The Source could have easily just killed Paige at her apartment and consequently destroyed the Power of Three that way. But his myopic greed got the best of him.

Why not? demons are at a higher state of being than humans. It makes no sense for some witches - who are mortals - to be more powerful than demons.

It does if some witches possess stronger magic and powers than some demons do. Not all demons are upper-level, you know.

[pubesy]

Since when were the actions of demons ever grounded in logic or sensibility?

since when was any of the show firmly grounded in logic or reality, or sensibility? the show was fantasy, not a reality show. some bits you just had to have an imagination.

what is so wrong with using your imagination. not everything had to make sense. since when did creative thinking become a crime?

[vandergraafk]

Hear, hear for fantasy. Uh, the Charmed Ones could have been killed by the demonic underworld anytime. Couldn't the Triad merely have told Christy to get a tommy gun and wiped the Charmed Ones out during any of the times they entered the manor and spoke to Christy on another plane of existence? How dumb do you have to imagine demons to be? Apparently, demons are not allowed to do that.

[whitelightertony]

Couldn't the Triad merely have told Christy to get a tommy gun and wiped the Charmed Ones out during any of the times they entered the manor and spoke to Christy on another plane of existence?

Well, we don't know for certain that The Triad or Christy could have interacted with the world outside of that plane. In order for The Triad to arm Christy with a gun to take out the Charmed Ones, they would have had to reinsert her back into the proper world...at which point, the Charmed Ones would obviously have seen Christy coming at them with the Triad-bestowed weaponry.

[ljones]

maracev2 said:

Not stole, borrow his soul. They gave it back, didn't they?

They took Darryl's soul WITHOUT HIS CONSENT. He made it quite clear that he did not want them to take his soul from his body . . . even if it meant getting Leo back from Valhalla.

I don't care if they gave it back. They took it from him WITHOUT HIS CONSENT in the first place.

since when was any of the show firmly grounded in logic or reality, or sensibility? the show was fantasy, not a reality show. some bits you just had to have an imagination.

Nothing in this world is really grounded in logic. But this does not excuse bad writing.

[whitelightertony]

Nothing in this world is really grounded in logic. But this does not excuse bad writing.

So in your view, "good writing" would have been if every demon's actions or decisions were made in a way (by a thought process) similar to those made by rational-minded humans?

[ljones]

whitelightertony said:

Nothing in this world is really grounded in logic. But this does not excuse bad writing.

So in your view, "good writing" would have been if every demon's actions or decisions were made in a way (by a thought process) similar to those made by rational-minded humans?

Since when have human beings ever been rational minded? Are you from the Star trek school of putting humanity on a pedestal?

If humans were rational minded, the writers and producers of CHARMED wouldn't dump such nonsence like demons killing witches for their powers upon viewers. Even the Source tried to steal the Charmed Ones' powers and he didn't need their powers. He was already more powerful than them. Not even the Power of Three could kill him, as was shown in "Charmed and Dangerous". Yet, we had to sit there and watch him use the Hollow to steal their powers. He doesn't even try to steal Phoebe's powers, claiming that they were not worth his trouble. And this is coming from a character that had depended upon two seers in past episodes. This kind of writing is pure CRAP to me.

You know, whitelightertony and vandergraaftk, you can insult me all you want. There is nothing you can say that will change how I feel about the show's writing. It was at best mediocre during its first three seasons. Around Season 4, it started going down the drain until it became pure sh*t by Season 8. You don't have to agree with me. I doubt that you will. But insulting or belittling me with sarcastic remarks is not going to change my mind.

[pubesy]

*shakes head in pure disbelief*

i am not going to speak for V and WLtony as they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.... but no one here is trying to force you to "change your mind." but what we ARE doing here is debating..... you know arguing our point of view and why the opposing side is wrong. but if you cant handle that.....

you are completely forgetting charmed is fantasy. you are trying to put a rational thought process on a fictional character. FANTASY. demons are not rational creatures on charmed! and the producers can write them that way. FANTASY. it does not have to make sense in the "real world." once again FANTASY.

Since when have human beings ever been rational minded? Are you from the Star trek school of putting humanity on a pedestal?

this makes me laugh because you have quoted star trek in your sig! and anyway....define rational minded? what makes one person more "rational minded than another?

There is nothing you can say that will change how I feel about the show's writing. It was at best mediocre during its first three seasons. Around Season 4, it started going down the drain until it became pure sh*t by Season 8. You don't have to agree with me.

if you really thought that you would not be posting here......unless you have nothing else to do. i dont think for a second you feel that way about charmed, otherwise you would not have watched the show for 8 seasons (even though you claim you never watched season 8 ) and you would not be posting here.


and of course we wont completely agree with you.....we are charmed fans ;D

[whitelightertony]

Since when have human beings ever been rational minded? Are you from the Star trek school of putting humanity on a pedestal?

Maybe it was a poor word choice on my part. I'll rephrase it:

Did you expect the writers of Charmed to make demons on the show act/behave in the same manner that powerless mortals would?

If humans were rational minded, the writers and producers of CHARMED wouldn't dump such nonsence like demons killing witches for their powers upon viewers.

Because that would be greedy, on the part of the demons - - and we all know that sentient beings are incapable of greed.

Even the Source tried to steal the Charmed Ones' powers and he didn't need their powers. He was already more powerful than them. Not even the Power of Three could kill him, as was shown in "Charmed and Dangerous". Yet, we had to sit there and watch him use the Hollow to steal their powers. He doesn't even try to steal Phoebe's powers, claiming that they were not worth his trouble. And this is coming from a character that had depended upon two seers in past episodes. This kind of writing is pure CRAP to me.

1.) The Source was not "more powerful" than the Power of Three. The Source and the Charmed Ones were equal in power.

2.) The Seer's premonitions were not always definite. There was a 50/50 chance of either The Source or the Charmed Ones coming out victorious in their battle.

3.) When/how did "Charmed and Dangerous" ever *prove* that The Source would have prevailed over the Charmed Ones no matter what?

4.) Why would The Source need to bother stealing Phoebe's powers when he already had his own (more individually powerful) Seer advising him? And how do we know The Source wouldn't have stolen Phoebe's powers right before killing her?

5.) I thought The Seer's premonition at the beginning of "Charmed and Dangerous" had the Charmed Ones capturing and vanquishing The Source. So when hearing about that vision, why wouldn't The Source resort to the extreme of absorbing The Hollow?

You know, whitelightertony and vandergraaftk, you can insult me all you want.

When did I insult you in the quotation of mine that you'd excerpted above?

There is nothing you can say that will change how I feel about the show's writing.

If you seriously think I'm trying to change your opinion of the show, then I've got some beachfront property in the Sonora Desert to sell you.

It was at best mediocre during its first three seasons.

As was Buffy during its first two seasons...

Around Season 4, it started going down the drain

Which Buffy definitely did, in its Season 4.

until it became pure sh*t by Season 8.

Whoa! Do you kiss your literary agent with that mouth?

You don't have to agree with me. I doubt that you will.

At least we agree on something.

But insulting or belittling me with sarcastic remarks is not going to change my mind.

So then I guess that means you're the one trying to change my mind?

[whitelightertony]

this makes me laugh because you have quoted star trek in your sig! and anyway....define rational minded? what makes one person more "rational minded than another?

Certainly not people who think that demons drunk with power are going to act the same way as mortals who aren't even aware magic exists...or people who think the Charmed Ones (and their offspring) suddenly lost their Charmed status after causing an explosion in their basement (and that Charmed power somehow originated with the Titans)...or people who think Piper and Phoebe should burn on the pyre for eternity because they supposedly chose to abandon their sons/nephews.

if you really thought that you would not be posting here......unless you have nothing else to do.

She may come here as a way of releasing her anger toward the world. That's fine...except that she seems to brandish a teensy little attitude problem whenever anyone disagrees with her opinion.

i dont think for a second you feel that way about charmed, otherwise you would not have watched the show for 8 seasons (even though you claim you never watched season 8 ) and you would not be posting here.

Ljones has stated that her family (who she lived with) watched the later seasons of Charmed, so it was unavoidable for her to see the episodes...I guess she was incapable of leaving the room whenever "How Soon Is Now?" began playing on the TV. Maybe a demon was blocking her path?

[pubesy]

is that a teensy bit of sarcasm there i sense white lighter tony?

She may come here as a way of releasing her anger toward the world.

and what a fantastic place to chose!

That's fine...except that she seems to brandish a teensy little attitude problem whenever anyone disagrees with her opinion.

Ljones has stated that her family (who she lived with) watched the later seasons of Charmed, so it was unavoidable for her to see the episodes...I guess she was incapable of leaving the room whenever "How Soon Is Now?" began playing on the TV. Maybe a demon was blocking her path?

lol...and reading a book was not an option?

[ljones]

Ljones has stated that her family (who she lived with) watched the later seasons of Charmed, so it was unavoidable for her to see the episodes...I guess she was incapable of leaving the room whenever "How Soon Is Now?" began playing on the TV. Maybe a demon was blocking her path?

LJones has stated that she began watching the later episodes on TNT out of curiousity . . . and became bored with its less than mediocre quality.


I see that you guys are STILL trying to insult my character. So now, I guess I'm going to have to lower myself to your level. How f*cking immature. And pathetic. And puseby . . . I see that you've joined in with the insults. You're just as pathetic as they are.

[whitelightertony]

LJones has stated that she began watching the later episodes on TNT out of curiousity . . . and became bored with its less than mediocre quality.

I distinctly remember you mentioning that your family watched the later seasons (and you said you lived with them, which is how you justified having seen them), when I once asked you how you saw those later seasons when you'd stopped watching the WB broadcasts?

[pubesy]

And puseby . . . I see that you've joined in with the insults. You're just as pathetic as they are

why thank-you ljones, coming from you, i take that as a compliment!

people who live in glass houses should not throw stones

if you cant stand the heat get out of the fire, ;D

[vandergraafk]

Nor should people in glass houses walk around in the buff!

[pubesy]

unless they have a six pack and nice shoulders!

[whitelightertony]

Stop, Pubesy, you're making me feel inadequate! ;D

[pubesy]

no one says says you have to be superman, tony, just dont go walking around in the buff in a glass house unless you have such a body. otherwise stick to brick houses

grabs binoculars and sits in tree waiting to see Mr Batchelor of the year in a glass house