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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 26, 2024 11:06:55 GMT -5
I didn't say it, here (in this thread), but I said it elsewhere (in other threads). I'm starting to dislike Holly because of how she's conducting, herself. No wonder Alyssa wanted to sue, I would, too. HOWEVER, Armin Shimerman (the wizard, from S4E19 "We're off to See the Wizard") called them ALL out, for being nasty! Well, this is post-Shannen, so it may not relate to her, but he called them ALL out! As I've said in other threads, ALL of them are the problem. ONLY person I feel sorry for, at all, is Constance M. Burge, that's it. EVERYONE (the actors, other writers & producers, the network, etc.) should've just been quiet, and let her tell her story, she wanted to tell. Actually, I did say this in this thread (except the "Armin Shimerman" part): With little bits of pieces here and there, I think everyone is at fault, here. Shannen and Holly need to know their place, as actors. And not overstep their position. This is how Shannen got her "difficult to work with" label. Because she would overstep her initial job description and thought she ran the show but didn't. She let her "I'm the star of the show" get into her head. Holly having no skill in writing, producing, directing, etc. and pretending like she knows what's best for the show, as well. This is probably what ticked off Alyssa's radar of "this set is toxic" because of their demands. To the point that even Brian Krause notices this, is pretty bad. Alyssa being a baby and threatening the show with a lawsuit because she wasn't the star of the show. And equally overstepped her bounds, as an actor, trying to force the show to make her the new star or get paid equally as much as Shannen. However, I'll give Milano a slight pass in knowing her worth but still. Especially because Alyssa (like Holly) got a Producer title for S5-S8. And, if Rose is saying Alyssa is "toxic on set", I can only imagine Alyssa pulling the same thing that both Shannen and Holly did which is putting in her own two cents, on how the show should go and equally overstepping her own bounds as an actor, in not knowing her place. This is why actors should NOT have a say in how the show should go. Only person I feel sorry for (despite not liking some of her direction, like making Shannen the star of the show) is Connie. She created the show. It was her idea, and it got stolen/taken away from her. She was Executive Producer for S1-S2, even credited for writing some episodes, in those seasons. Down to Consulting Producer for S3-S4. Not credited for writing any episodes, in these seasons. Then only credited as Creator for S5-S8. Connie should've been the one threatening the show with a lawsuit, not Alyssa. But, I understand why Connie didn't. Connie probably didn't have that strong backing like Alyssa and would her lose her case, if she tried. And, I'll keep saying it, EVERYONE (but Connie) was the problem!
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 26, 2024 12:32:45 GMT -5
Most of the issue people take with Alyssa is on her political stances after the show and don't like to talk about the many folks who support her and condemn Shannen's behavior. To add, yes Milano's political positions irk me, but she's seemed to change her stance on the wardrobe situation of the show. Again, she used to be "sex positive" and then changed her stance to "yeah, we had to dress 'sexy'. Here's her disappointment on Vernoff's statements on why Vernoff wanted out after S5 (due to sexy mermaid Phoebe): www.thewrap.com/charmed-krista-vernoff-holly-marie-combs-alyssa-milano-bad-for-the-world/Then she says she didn't like the wardrobe choices she had to endure on the show Time-Stamp 0:36 (even though, that's all Vernoff was really saying, initially) Milano is just as flip floppy, as the rest of them, and I don't trust a thing that comes out of her mouth. EDIT: Again, I still love the Phoebe character despite me disliking Alyssa LOL
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Post by forbuss on Feb 27, 2024 14:07:57 GMT -5
I honestly just disagree. You can disagree all you like, but I just gave you a video proof where Holly wasn't name dropped nor Shannen, as "the source" of Alyssa threatening to sue. Again, the video is VERY anti-Shannen, so that negates your notion that it's defending Shannen ('cause it's not) or Holly. If anything, it seemed to side with Alyssa, but I digress. I didn't say it, here (in this thread), but I said it elsewhere (in other threads). I'm starting to dislike Holly because of how she's conducting, herself. No wonder Alyssa wanted to sue, I would, too. HOWEVER, Armin Shimerman (the wizard, from S4E19 "We're off to See the Wizard") called them ALL out, for being nasty! Well, this is post-Shannen, so it may not relate to her, but he called them ALL out! Time-Stamp 8:10 And, I've listened to Alyssa's "apology", it's fake and phony as hell. Long-winded and a lot of doublespeak. Too many breaks in between her speech, like she's trying to find the "right" words, it's very odd. As I've said in other threads, ALL of them are the problem. ONLY person I feel sorry for, at all, is Constance M. Burge, that's it. EVERYONE (the actors, other writers & producers, the network, etc.) should've just been quiet, and let her tell her story, she wanted to tell. You posted 3 messages back to back so I'm going to attempt to respond to all of them haha. In terms of Alyssa's political beliefs and the dressing sexy stuff I don't really qualify that as flip flopping. I think people are allowed to change their mind on things they've done or who they support. If you are referencing Alyssa's support for HW wife then I don't see that as an issue. Changing your mind does not equal flip flopping. Like I said, Holly has already flip flopped on her statements she made on the podcast. I think it's a lot different if you are presenting things as 'facts' then trying to roll them back, change what you said, etc. To me this is different than changing your mind as Shannen's exit from the show is a fact and Holly/Shannen have never been able to give a cohesive story that makes any sense to me, especially when they are now changing what they've said. I am all about people processing things and speaking their truths. It just seems Holly/Shannen have had a lot of versions of truth over the years when Alyssa has never really strayed from what she said a few years ago publicly re: the apology. Alyssa has also never bashed any of the other women despite them coming for her for years now. In terms of Alyssa's megancon appearance I didn't really have an issue with it. Yes, she was going slow - she did say that she wanted to be really mindful of what she said because she didn't want to pour more gasoline on the fire. I do think Alyssa is and has always been intentionally vague on this scenario which I think irritates a lot of people. However, I don't think its helpful to put things out there and not be able to back them up (like Rose has done to Alyssa). Like you, this doesn't impact my view of the show at all. Like Alyssa said in the megacon appearance I really wish they could all hash it out and mend feelings. I still have hope!
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 27, 2024 15:44:38 GMT -5
You posted 3 messages back to back so I'm going to attempt to respond to all of them haha. In terms of Alyssa's political beliefs and the dressing sexy stuff I don't really qualify that as flip flopping. I think people are allowed to change their mind on things they've done or who they support. If you are referencing Alyssa's support for HW wife then I don't see that as an issue. Changing your mind does not equal flip flopping. Like I said, Holly has already flip flopped on her statements she made on the podcast. I think it's a lot different if you are presenting things as 'facts' then trying to roll them back, change what you said, etc. To me this is different than changing your mind as Shannen's exit from the show is a fact and Holly/Shannen have never been able to give a cohesive story that makes any sense to me, especially when they are now changing what they've said. I am all about people processing things and speaking their truths. It just seems Holly/Shannen have had a lot of versions of truth over the years when Alyssa has never really strayed from what she said a few years ago publicly re: the apology. Alyssa has also never bashed any of the other women despite them coming for her for years now. In terms of Alyssa's megancon appearance I didn't really have an issue with it. Yes, she was going slow - she did say that she wanted to be really mindful of what she said because she didn't want to pour more gasoline on the fire. I do think Alyssa is and has always been intentionally vague on this scenario which I think irritates a lot of people. However, I don't think its helpful to put things out there and not be able to back them up (like Rose has done to Alyssa). Like you, this doesn't impact my view of the show at all. Like Alyssa said in the megacon appearance I really wish they could all hash it out and mend feelings. I still have hope! I apologize, I thought of new things, as they came, to me. Yes, people are allowed to change their minds, as I have changed mind, as well. But, I don't get that vibe from Milano. She doesn't preface that she has, like I do. Whatever the "popular" opinion is, she tends to support for clout. Yes, I believe Milano to be a grifter. IDK what Milano needs to be "mindful" of. The truth should always be the priority over people's feelings. If the truth hurts, well it's better to be hurt by the truth than to be lied to, to spare your feelings. Dancing around the truth still makes you a liar and extremely untrustworthy. That being said, Milano admitted to "her part", in all this. It's ambiguous and vague on what her "part" was, but I'll take her silence on not directly saying "I never threatened to sue" as being guilty of doing so. Like you said, I don't let my disdain for Milano distort my view of the show/her character, anymore. Phoebe's my favorite character, even if I don't like Milano.
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Post by forbuss on Feb 28, 2024 8:02:09 GMT -5
You posted 3 messages back to back so I'm going to attempt to respond to all of them haha. In terms of Alyssa's political beliefs and the dressing sexy stuff I don't really qualify that as flip flopping. I think people are allowed to change their mind on things they've done or who they support. If you are referencing Alyssa's support for HW wife then I don't see that as an issue. Changing your mind does not equal flip flopping. Like I said, Holly has already flip flopped on her statements she made on the podcast. I think it's a lot different if you are presenting things as 'facts' then trying to roll them back, change what you said, etc. To me this is different than changing your mind as Shannen's exit from the show is a fact and Holly/Shannen have never been able to give a cohesive story that makes any sense to me, especially when they are now changing what they've said. I am all about people processing things and speaking their truths. It just seems Holly/Shannen have had a lot of versions of truth over the years when Alyssa has never really strayed from what she said a few years ago publicly re: the apology. Alyssa has also never bashed any of the other women despite them coming for her for years now. In terms of Alyssa's megancon appearance I didn't really have an issue with it. Yes, she was going slow - she did say that she wanted to be really mindful of what she said because she didn't want to pour more gasoline on the fire. I do think Alyssa is and has always been intentionally vague on this scenario which I think irritates a lot of people. However, I don't think its helpful to put things out there and not be able to back them up (like Rose has done to Alyssa). Like you, this doesn't impact my view of the show at all. Like Alyssa said in the megacon appearance I really wish they could all hash it out and mend feelings. I still have hope! I apologize, I thought of new things, as they came, to me. Yes, people are allowed to change their minds, as I have changed mind, as well. But, I don't get that vibe from Milano. She doesn't preface that she has, like I do. Whatever the "popular" opinion is, she tends to support for clout. Yes, I believe Milano to be a grifter. IDK what Milano needs to be "mindful" of. The truth should always be the priority over people's feelings. If the truth hurts, well it's better to be hurt by the truth than to be lied to, to spare your feelings. Dancing around the truth still makes you a liar and extremely untrustworthy. That being said, Milano admitted to "her part", in all this. It's ambiguous and vague on what her "part" was, but I'll take her silence on not directly saying "I never threatened to sue" as being guilty of doing so. Like you said, I don't let my disdain for Milano distort my view of the show/her character, anymore. Phoebe's my favorite character, even if I don't like Milano. I can definitely understand that you think Alyssa is untrustworthy/ a liar. I don't see it that way, but I guess it just seems odd to me because lots of the fans seem to be willing to let Shannen/Holly get a free pass on all the times they have been caught in lies (most recently, and we have proof of this). I guess I don't see how Alyssa has lied in this situation. Like I said I agree she is being purposefully vague. I can see how that is annoying/irritating to some but I truly believe she doesn't want all of this stuff to be brought up for the millionth time. However, I do not believe that she doesn't want it brought up because she is scared she will be "exposed". Rose has tried to do that several times and still hasn't named one specific incidence (on Charmed) of Alyssa on set. I honestly don't think Alyssa has anything to be scared of. Now this get's me to what I believe: I think they ALL behaved badly at times on Charmed. I really don't understand Shannen/Holly acting like there was no issue between Alyssa/Shannen (and perhaps Holly) when there was CLEARLY an issue. Rumours die, the truth lives on forever. So I do appreciate Alyssa saying she played a part in it and taking responsibility, although I can recognize some found her saying this unsatisfying. I have been really following all of this stuff and I am pretty obsessed with it (haha) but I do wish it would go away. Like you, it doesn't taint my view of the show. However I do wish they could all get along and reach some sort of resolve.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 28, 2024 9:01:31 GMT -5
I can definitely understand that you think Alyssa is untrustworthy/ a liar. I don't see it that way, but I guess it just seems odd to me because lots of the fans seem to be willing to let Shannen/Holly get a free pass on all the times they have been caught in lies (most recently, and we have proof of this). I guess I don't see how Alyssa has lied in this situation. Like I said I agree she is being purposefully vague. I can see how that is annoying/irritating to some but I truly believe she doesn't want all of this stuff to be brought up for the millionth time. However, I do not believe that she doesn't want it brought up because she is scared she will be "exposed". Rose has tried to do that several times and still hasn't named one specific incidence (on Charmed) of Alyssa on set. I honestly don't think Alyssa has anything to be scared of. Now this get's me to what I believe: I think they ALL behaved badly at times on Charmed. I really don't understand Shannen/Holly acting like there was no issue between Alyssa/Shannen (and perhaps Holly) when there was CLEARLY an issue. Rumours die, the truth lives on forever. So I do appreciate Alyssa saying she played a part in it and taking responsibility, although I can recognize some found her saying this unsatisfying. I have been really following all of this stuff and I am pretty obsessed with it (haha) but I do wish it would go away. Like you, it doesn't taint my view of the show. However I do wish they could all get along and reach some sort of resolve. We'll have to agree to disagree on Milano's dancing around the truth as being an unreliable source. Despite the fact that she's the one who brought it up with her "elephant in the room" commentary and STILL didn't clear the air. If she's gonna talk about it then don't dance around the truth instead of continuing biting her tongue and ignoring it, like she has been, but she didn't do that. In regards to holding Shannen and/or Holly accountable, this board (including me) has. Ever since Holly pulled a Rose and began behaving badly towards BOTH Alyssa AND Vernoff, a lot of us have been turned off, by her. Some, earlier than others, like back in the HoH podcast. I've BEEN calling them ALL (not just Milano) flip floppers. For the MILLIONTH time, I hold them ALL (except Burge) accountable. Your thread asked if Milano threatened to sue, and I believe Milano DID threaten the show with something especially with how badly Holly has been treating her, I understand the toxic work environment Milano talks about, now. BUT, I still believe Milano (at least her mother) wasn't happy that she wasn't "the star" of the show. And used the "toxic work environment" narrative as a scapegoat to push Milano as "being the star". Milano should've put her mother in her place, but I digress. I'm not that obsessed with their personal drama 'cause I simply don't care for these has beens trying to continue to ride the coattails of this show to remain relevant. You do you, though.
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Feb 29, 2024 14:14:26 GMT -5
I look back at the behind scenes of season 1 and 2 and think of my days bless them young and new to it and sense of team work and being a fine group of talent and energy ....it's horrific to hear how much it was horrible on set
But through Fleetwood Mac we got RUMOURS and Tango in the Night
Season 3 and 4 were indeed those album equivalents
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Post by forbuss on Mar 1, 2024 7:34:52 GMT -5
I can definitely understand that you think Alyssa is untrustworthy/ a liar. I don't see it that way, but I guess it just seems odd to me because lots of the fans seem to be willing to let Shannen/Holly get a free pass on all the times they have been caught in lies (most recently, and we have proof of this). I guess I don't see how Alyssa has lied in this situation. Like I said I agree she is being purposefully vague. I can see how that is annoying/irritating to some but I truly believe she doesn't want all of this stuff to be brought up for the millionth time. However, I do not believe that she doesn't want it brought up because she is scared she will be "exposed". Rose has tried to do that several times and still hasn't named one specific incidence (on Charmed) of Alyssa on set. I honestly don't think Alyssa has anything to be scared of. Now this get's me to what I believe: I think they ALL behaved badly at times on Charmed. I really don't understand Shannen/Holly acting like there was no issue between Alyssa/Shannen (and perhaps Holly) when there was CLEARLY an issue. Rumours die, the truth lives on forever. So I do appreciate Alyssa saying she played a part in it and taking responsibility, although I can recognize some found her saying this unsatisfying. I have been really following all of this stuff and I am pretty obsessed with it (haha) but I do wish it would go away. Like you, it doesn't taint my view of the show. However I do wish they could all get along and reach some sort of resolve. We'll have to agree to disagree on Milano's dancing around the truth as being an unreliable source. Despite the fact that she's the one who brought it up with her "elephant in the room" commentary and STILL didn't clear the air. If she's gonna talk about it then don't dance around the truth instead of continuing biting her tongue and ignoring it, like she has been, but she didn't do that. In regards to holding Shannen and/or Holly accountable, this board (including me) has. Ever since Holly pulled a Rose and began behaving badly towards BOTH Alyssa AND Vernoff, a lot of us have been turned off, by her. Some, earlier than others, like back in the HoH podcast. I've BEEN calling them ALL (not just Milano) flip floppers. For the MILLIONTH time, I hold them ALL (except Burge) accountable. Your thread asked if Milano threatened to sue, and I believe Milano DID threaten the show with something especially with how badly Holly has been treating her, I understand the toxic work environment Milano talks about, now. BUT, I still believe Milano (at least her mother) wasn't happy that she wasn't "the star" of the show. And used the "toxic work environment" narrative as a scapegoat to push Milano as "being the star". Milano should've put her mother in her place, but I digress. I'm not that obsessed with their personal drama 'cause I simply don't care for these has beens trying to continue to ride the coattails of this show to remain relevant. You do you, though. Totally agree to disagree. The only real thing that I've found to be "new" with these recent stories is that Holly was probably much more involved in everything than she has ever let on before. I watched these videos last weekend and really enjoyed them. However they are LONG: www.youtube.com/watch?v=77h2PBaLpu4In the sidebar you can see she does the "Was ______ The Problem?" for all 4 women. This creator also has a very good video about what happened at megacon. . I like her videos because she does approach them in an unbiased way and is pretty hard on all 4 of them. Let me know if you watch
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 1, 2024 13:50:09 GMT -5
Totally agree to disagree. The only real thing that I've found to be "new" with these recent stories is that Holly was probably much more involved in everything than she has ever let on before. I watched these videos last weekend and really enjoyed them. However they are LONG: www.youtube.com/watch?v=77h2PBaLpu4In the sidebar you can see she does the "Was ______ The Problem?" for all 4 women. This creator also has a very good video about what happened at megacon. . I like her videos because she does approach them in an unbiased way and is pretty hard on all 4 of them. Let me know if you watch Yeah, Holly needs to calm down, for sure lol I have watched one of those videos, before and even commented on it saying the same thing, how they're ALL (except Burge) at fault. I, usually, keep the same username across all platforms except YT. I have "X's" on both sides of my name, like this: "xAaeiynx". The other "Aaeiyn" YT channel is still me, but I have no idea what password I used for it, so lol I commented on the "Was Alyssa the Problem?" one.
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Post by forbuss on Mar 2, 2024 11:55:50 GMT -5
Totally agree to disagree. The only real thing that I've found to be "new" with these recent stories is that Holly was probably much more involved in everything than she has ever let on before. I watched these videos last weekend and really enjoyed them. However they are LONG: www.youtube.com/watch?v=77h2PBaLpu4In the sidebar you can see she does the "Was ______ The Problem?" for all 4 women. This creator also has a very good video about what happened at megacon. . I like her videos because she does approach them in an unbiased way and is pretty hard on all 4 of them. Let me know if you watch Yeah, Holly needs to calm down, for sure lol I have watched one of those videos, before and even commented on it saying the same thing, how they're ALL (except Burge) at fault. I, usually, keep the same username across all platforms except YT. I have "X's" on both sides of my name, like this: "xAaeiynx". The other "Aaeiyn" YT channel is still me, but I have no idea what password I used for it, so lol I commented on the "Was Alyssa the Problem?" one. I think we actually do agree (haha). I think they all behaved badly at one time or another. I know you didn't like Alyssa's vague apology years ago when she took responsibility for her part in things but this is really why I "side" with Alyssa. It really bothers me how Shannen/Holly now pretend that there wasn't ever an issue, and if there was it was basically all Alyssa's fault when it always takes at least 2 to tango. And there clearly was an issue haha. PS - I liked your comment
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Post by Aaeiyn on Mar 2, 2024 16:41:29 GMT -5
I think we actually do agree (haha). I think they all behaved badly at one time or another. I know you didn't like Alyssa's vague apology years ago when she took responsibility for her part in things but this is really why I "side" with Alyssa. It really bothers me how Shannen/Holly now pretend that there wasn't ever an issue, and if there was it was basically all Alyssa's fault when it always takes at least 2 to tango. And there clearly was an issue haha. PS - I liked your comment Forbuss, we're talking about multiple subjects LOL I'll bold each subject line and try my best to see if I get the jist of your position. Did Alyssa Milano threaten to sue the show?We tend to disagree, here. Though, my position is Alyssa Milano's mother (in typical "Stagemom" fashion) was probably the one who did, when she found out her beloved and sacred daughter was NOT "the star" of the show and wasn't being billed as much as Shannen Doherty was. I do believe Alyssa Milano felt the set of Charmed was toxic. Considering how toxic Holly Marie Combs has been behaving towards Alyssa Milano, these days I believe Alysse Milano felt uncomfortable. This is when Alyssa Milano's mother (in typical "Stagemom" fashion) used this "toxic work environment" narrative, as a scapegoat to sue the show, to push her daughter to be more of "the star" and get more money. Afterall, Alyssa Milano (much like Holly Marie Combs) became a producer, in S5-S8. We do see Alyssa Milano listed, first, as well, in the credits, post-Shannen. This is my position. Is Alyssa Milano genuine with her "apology"?Again, we tend to disagree, here. Also, I think we're talking about different "apologies". I'm talking about her most recent "apology", at Megacon (in Orlando). She claims she's going to "address the elephant in the room" but then STILL didn't ACTUALLY "address" it. She continued to dance around the truth, doublespeak and spoke too slow to really believe anything 'cause the truth doesn't require slow speech especially when you're not known to have a condition that forces you to speak slowly. If she wasn't going to ACTUALLY "address" it, than she should've continued ignoring it. Are Shannen Doherty and Holly Marie Combs "blameless"?This is our common ground and where we agree. Not that they're blameless, but they are equally to blame. And, again, Forbuss, I've said this MULTIPLE times, I blame EVERYBODY (except Burge) for all the drama that ensued. I blame Shannen Doherty and Holly Marie Combs for trying to "take over" the show with their TERRIBLE ideas. I blame the Network for meddling into the show and turning it away from Constance M. Burge's ORIGINAL theme ultimately bullying her out of her own creation. I blame Brad Kern for being a spineless coward and not standing up to the Network alongside Shannen Doherty, Constance M. Burge, Krista Vernoff, etc. I blame Alyssa Milano for not telling her mother to calm down, along with being a grifter and equally riding the coattails of this show's legacy along with Shannen Doherty, Holly Marie Combs & Rose McGowan. I blame Rose McGowan for not controlling her temper, either. I blame EVERYBODY (except Constance M. Burge). I hope that clears things up.
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Post by prettyinpink94 on Mar 10, 2024 11:16:08 GMT -5
I think its all sort of messed up that people act like Alyssa was wrong for going to see the mediator. Like, wtf? Refusing to talk to him like Shannen and Holly did is a major red flag to me personally.
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Post by shay321 on Mar 12, 2024 6:26:23 GMT -5
This is so off topic and im sorry in advance if im goona sound bitter once again but arent they tired and mostly embasarred for saying over and over and over again the same answers to the same old same old questions ( and the most outraging part) Qquestions possibly coming FROM THE SAME FANS who attended other cons in the past (correct me if im wrong) and travel all the way throught to get to the contextually destination. At least alyssa is trying not to seem so forever alone by joining other actors julian, tyler hoechling etc. OHH and the funny stuff: inconvinient questons are not allowed obviously. Because the you have shannen doherty be like ''Ohh im not gonna answer that'' And my new favorite of shannen doherty: she was always like ''My favorite season was season 3'' (because she was obviously contolling and manipulative) and during the last convention she answerd that like ''None'' or she just smiled and didnt everresponse. Seem like she just turned into shanNON.
Are people around us so blind?? I mean they have definitelly fallen from grace they do it for money because holly doesnt even seem to be good at anything else ( thats a nib to what i read about the hair product). And poor brian krause, he has done tons of movies and a lot of good stuff just to be stucked at charmed cons instead of joining in some new worthy projects . They blame a show where they were 25-26-27 yrs old and yet thats the only thing they have. And lets just say in favor of the arguement, we can see lucy lawless and renne oconnor doing some cons for money (of course) and meeting new fans every once in a while or every two and a half years insead of just every month because they wanna honor the fans and the legacy of the show not milk it(unoficcialy lets just say that if there was a third female lead instead of just xena and gabrielle they may not have been that close to each other till today) Really so sad. Only drew seem to really shine from this Its so embasassing
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Post by rebooted on Mar 12, 2024 7:44:58 GMT -5
I think its all sort of messed up that people act like Alyssa was wrong for going to see the mediator. Like, wtf? Refusing to talk to him like Shannen and Holly did is a major red flag to me personally. I agree with this too. Alyssa was doing the right thing as an employee following the right procedures to protect herself and possibly get a resolution. Not participating in mediation was the wrong move strategically for the other 2. They all could have got payouts and agreed to end the show at Season 3 and signed non-disclosures as an outcome
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Post by forbuss on Mar 13, 2024 6:41:07 GMT -5
I think its all sort of messed up that people act like Alyssa was wrong for going to see the mediator. Like, wtf? Refusing to talk to him like Shannen and Holly did is a major red flag to me personally. I agree with this too. Alyssa was doing the right thing as an employee following the right procedures to protect herself and possibly get a resolution. Not participating in mediation was the wrong move strategically for the other 2. They all could have got payouts and agreed to end the show at Season 3 and signed non-disclosures as an outcome I totally agree it was probably better for them to have participated (Holly/Shannen). However I don't think they would have ever let the show end at that point because it was such a hit and they probably knew the drama would fuel viewership for season 4. I think at the end of the day the producers didn't really care about the women in the show and like many of them have said, they wanted to protect the global hit show.
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