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Post by forbuss on Dec 20, 2023 11:28:01 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT1fS7LPuoUThere are clips in this from Shannen's podcast which Holly recently appeared on. To summarize, Holly said Alyssa would meet with a mediator/therapist and document every time she felt uncomfortable on set. Holly reported Shannen and herself refused to speak with this person. Holly claims that Alyssa "built a case for herself" to give the producers of the show an ultimatum. Holly also stated that she was told Alyssa threatened to sue the show for a hostile work environment. Holly claims that the producers told her this in a private meeting. Both Shannen and Holly stated that there was never any fights or harsh words exchanged on set and that it all happened "behind the scenes" and "in the trailers". What do we think about this? I am just so confused as to why Holly would trudge this stuff up again after remaining pretty quiet for all these years. Another reason we will never get a reunion or reboot.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Dec 20, 2023 11:39:37 GMT -5
Why? Because Shannen is doing a podcast and sharing her truth. That's why it's finally coming out. This isn't about Holly trudging anything up. This is two besties talking and sharing their truth that they've had to keep quiet about because of "professionalism" and other BS. They're allowed to. And I'm so glad they have. It's not like this is completely new information. It's stuff that started 20 years ago and they were both told to Shut Up and Keep Quiet for their careers. Neither of them have anything to lose anymore. So they're finally sharing.
Again, this is Shannen's podcast. Her tell-all. We don't know what she's going through health-wise. But she knows she's on borrowed time and is ready to finally tell her side of so much of her life and career. Good for her.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 20, 2023 11:41:50 GMT -5
I'm assuming Holly only "brought it up", as I'm sure there's still curious folks about it, and that it was the subject of the Podcast.
That being said, it doesn't surprise me that the law was being used against them.
I've witnessed too many situations where folks abuse the law systems to get what they want.
You know what they say, hurt people hurt people. I'm sure Milano was hurt to hear she wasn't the star of the show, and that Doherty was.
Which is exactly how S1 reads.
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Post by West on Dec 20, 2023 17:13:11 GMT -5
Why? Because Shannen is doing a podcast and sharing her truth. That's why it's finally coming out. This isn't about Holly trudging anything up. This is two besties talking and sharing their truth that they've had to keep quiet about because of "professionalism" and other BS. They're allowed to. And I'm so glad they have. It's not like this is completely new information. It's stuff that started 20 years ago and they were both told to Shut Up and Keep Quiet for their careers. Neither of them have anything to lose anymore. So they're finally sharing. Again, this is Shannen's podcast. Her tell-all. We don't know what she's going through health-wise. But she knows she's on borrowed time and is ready to finally tell her side of so much of her life and career. Good for her. Agreed. The poor woman has no idea how much time she has left. She deserves to clear the air. She doesn't wanna go to her grave with living this lie. She wants to be honest with her truth. I commend her with the podcast. Good for her telling her truth and life story.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 20, 2023 17:43:19 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT1fS7LPuoUThere are clips in this from Shannen's podcast which Holly recently appeared on. To summarize, Holly said Alyssa would meet with a mediator/therapist and document every time she felt uncomfortable on set. Holly reported Shannen and herself refused to speak with this person. Holly claims that Alyssa "built a case for herself" to give the producers of the show an ultimatum. Holly also stated that she was told Alyssa threatened to sue the show for a hostile work environment. Holly claims that the producers told her this in a private meeting. Both Shannen and Holly stated that there was never any fights or harsh words exchanged on set and that it all happened "behind the scenes" and "in the trailers". What do we think about this? I am just so confused as to why Holly would trudge this stuff up again after remaining pretty quiet for all these years. Another reason we will never get a reunion or reboot. Both Shannen and Holly confirm that Alyssa had built a case for herself to sue the company for a hostile work environment unless they fire Shannen. And guess what? Spelling fired Shannen as he has done it before and didn’t want to face a lawsuit with Alyssa as the face of that. Shannen was just speaking her truth as she is on borrowed time and wants to stop lying about what really happened. And just so you know, both Shannen and Holly are open to a continuation, it is the company who is not. So I wouldn’t place blame on the feud of a reboot, reunion or continuation happening as it isn’t on the actresses, it is on the company.
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Post by West on Dec 20, 2023 18:08:00 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT1fS7LPuoUThere are clips in this from Shannen's podcast which Holly recently appeared on. To summarize, Holly said Alyssa would meet with a mediator/therapist and document every time she felt uncomfortable on set. Holly reported Shannen and herself refused to speak with this person. Holly claims that Alyssa "built a case for herself" to give the producers of the show an ultimatum. Holly also stated that she was told Alyssa threatened to sue the show for a hostile work environment. Holly claims that the producers told her this in a private meeting. Both Shannen and Holly stated that there was never any fights or harsh words exchanged on set and that it all happened "behind the scenes" and "in the trailers". What do we think about this? I am just so confused as to why Holly would trudge this stuff up again after remaining pretty quiet for all these years. Another reason we will never get a reunion or reboot. Both Shannen and Holly confirm that Alyssa had built a case for herself to sue the company for a hostile work environment unless they fire Shannen. And guess what? Spelling fired Shannen as he has done it before and didn’t want to face a lawsuit with Alyssa as the face of that. Shannen was just speaking her truth as she is on borrowed time and wants to stop lying about what really happened. And just so you know, both Shannen and Holly are open to a continuation, it is the company who is not. So I wouldn’t place blame on the feud of a reboot, reunion or continuation happening as it isn’t on the actresses, it is on the company. CBS owns the rights. When Spelling died and his company ended the rights reverted to CBS I believe. In this case they have to get CBS to sign off on it. It sucks but nothing you can do. Shannen's on borrowed time. They have to hurry if they want to do it with her.
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Post by rebooted on Dec 20, 2023 21:38:00 GMT -5
Its sad that Holly dismisses what Alyssa felt on the set because she didn't see it.
Whether or not what Alyssa has said is true is something else altogether.
However, you can't just invalidate the way someone feels.
Also, the network obviously thought Alyssa had a robust case otherwise they wouldn't have fired Shannen?
Something doesn't make sense.
Also let's face it - Season 1 and 2 was all about Prue and Piper. So it was unfair at the beginning. Alyssa had no long term love interests or Major A storylines.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 20, 2023 21:47:16 GMT -5
Also let's face it - Season 1 and 2 was all about Prue and Piper. So it was unfair at the beginning. Alyssa had no long term love interests or Major A storylines. I agree with this part of your post. S1 was all about Prue. S2 was all about Piper. It's about time S3 focused on Phoebe. Which is why I don't get folks that claim the "sisterhood" is the main point of the show 'cause it didn't feel that way, to me. Though, S1-S2 has more cute sisterly moments than S3-S8, I still don't think their "sisterhood" was the main focus, at all. It seemed more about their lives, as individuals, rather than them sticking together all the time.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 20, 2023 22:54:20 GMT -5
Both Shannen and Holly confirm that Alyssa had built a case for herself to sue the company for a hostile work environment unless they fire Shannen. And guess what? Spelling fired Shannen as he has done it before and didn’t want to face a lawsuit with Alyssa as the face of that. Shannen was just speaking her truth as she is on borrowed time and wants to stop lying about what really happened. And just so you know, both Shannen and Holly are open to a continuation, it is the company who is not. So I wouldn’t place blame on the feud of a reboot, reunion or continuation happening as it isn’t on the actresses, it is on the company. CBS owns the rights. When Spelling died and his company ended the rights reverted to CBS I believe. In this case they have to get CBS to sign off on it. It sucks but nothing you can do. Shannen's on borrowed time. They have to hurry if they want to do it with her. That's right. So it isn't the feud or the actresses getting in the way, it is CBS itself. But I do hope they decide to do something, espeically while Shannen is still with us.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 20, 2023 22:58:40 GMT -5
Its sad that Holly dismisses what Alyssa felt on the set because she didn't see it. Whether or not what Alyssa has said is true is something else altogether. However, you can't just invalidate the way someone feels. Also, the network obviously thought Alyssa had a robust case otherwise they wouldn't have fired Shannen? Something doesn't make sense. Also let's face it - Season 1 and 2 was all about Prue and Piper. So it was unfair at the beginning. Alyssa had no long term love interests or Major A storylines. I wouldn't say they dismiss what she felt on set, both Shannen and Holly confirm that the set itself did not hold any tension, physical fights or verbal aggression or abuse, so they're confused or unsure as to why she felt the way she felt. You can't invalidate the way someone else feels but they've just unsure why she felt that way as the set wasn't as she claimed it was, at least from their perception. I don't think she would have had a robust case; I just think they didn't want to be sued or have that sort of media attention. I think Alyssa constantly pushed and it ended up in having Shannen fired and then she became the star she always wanted to be at the cost of Shannen's livelihood. Yep, S1 was about Prue and S2 was about Piper but guess what? Phoebe got S3 and S4 to herself and most of the major storylines after that.
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Post by rebooted on Dec 21, 2023 4:27:57 GMT -5
Its sad that Holly dismisses what Alyssa felt on the set because she didn't see it. Whether or not what Alyssa has said is true is something else altogether. However, you can't just invalidate the way someone feels. Also, the network obviously thought Alyssa had a robust case otherwise they wouldn't have fired Shannen? Something doesn't make sense. Also let's face it - Season 1 and 2 was all about Prue and Piper. So it was unfair at the beginning. Alyssa had no long term love interests or Major A storylines. I wouldn't say they dismiss what she felt on set, both Shannen and Holly confirm that the set itself did not hold any tension, physical fights or verbal aggression or abuse, so they're confused or unsure as to why she felt the way she felt. You can't invalidate the way someone else feels but they've just unsure why she felt that way as the set wasn't as she claimed it was, at least from their perception. I don't think she would have had a robust case; I just think they didn't want to be sued or have that sort of media attention. I think Alyssa constantly pushed and it ended up in having Shannen fired and then she became the star she always wanted to be at the cost of Shannen's livelihood. Yep, S1 was about Prue and S2 was about Piper but guess what? Phoebe got S3 and S4 to herself and most of the major storylines after that. So really you think it was Alyssa Milano's powerhouse at the time, Lynn Milano and all her agents really behind it all. I'd agree, if that's what your saying. It makes me think Alyssa actually felt like that on set. She also suffered from depression after marrying and divorcing in the same year. Shannen got the short end of the stick for sure. And then possibly Rose. Was Holly Marie contracted to do Season 4 or Season 4-7? Because perhaps she should have thrown in the towel when she had the chance in Season 4? It kind of what have left Charmed in a better place with enough for a continuation. Argh, its such a shame but a millennial reality of what we saw on screen not being as life-like as out younger-selfs saw it - the Chandler effect! In all of this, it proves, they all are actually amazing actresses to have navigated their way through all this!
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Post by myystery on Dec 21, 2023 8:29:19 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they dismiss what she felt on set, both Shannen and Holly confirm that the set itself did not hold any tension, physical fights or verbal aggression or abuse, so they're confused or unsure as to why she felt the way she felt. You can't invalidate the way someone else feels but they've just unsure why she felt that way as the set wasn't as she claimed it was, at least from their perception. I don't think she would have had a robust case; I just think they didn't want to be sued or have that sort of media attention. I think Alyssa constantly pushed and it ended up in having Shannen fired and then she became the star she always wanted to be at the cost of Shannen's livelihood. Yep, S1 was about Prue and S2 was about Piper but guess what? Phoebe got S3 and S4 to herself and most of the major storylines after that. So really you think it was Alyssa Milano's powerhouse at the time, Lynn Milano and all her agents really behind it all. I'd agree, if that's what your saying. It makes me think Alyssa actually felt like that on set. She also suffered from depression after marrying and divorcing in the same year. Shannen got the short end of the stick for sure. And then possibly Rose. Was Holly Marie contracted to do Season 4 or Season 4-7? Because perhaps she should have thrown in the towel when she had the chance in Season 4? It kind of what have left Charmed in a better place with enough for a continuation. Argh, its such a shame but a millennial reality of what we saw on screen not being as life-like as out younger-selfs saw it - the Chandler effect! In all of this, it proves, they all are actually amazing actresses to have navigated their way through all this! We all haven't been there, but I do believe this whole thing has been made a bigger deal by Alyssa's agents and her overprotective as well as overambitious mom on one side and the studio executives one the other side than there was actual real drama on set between the three actresses. I also think the "Alyssa or Shannen has to go" scenario was pitched up by her mother and not Alyssa herself.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Dec 21, 2023 10:42:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they dismiss what she felt on set, both Shannen and Holly confirm that the set itself did not hold any tension, physical fights or verbal aggression or abuse, so they're confused or unsure as to why she felt the way she felt. You can't invalidate the way someone else feels but they've just unsure why she felt that way as the set wasn't as she claimed it was, at least from their perception. I don't think she would have had a robust case; I just think they didn't want to be sued or have that sort of media attention. I think Alyssa constantly pushed and it ended up in having Shannen fired and then she became the star she always wanted to be at the cost of Shannen's livelihood. Yep, S1 was about Prue and S2 was about Piper but guess what? Phoebe got S3 and S4 to herself and most of the major storylines after that. So really you think it was Alyssa Milano's powerhouse at the time, Lynn Milano and all her agents really behind it all. I'd agree, if that's what your saying. It makes me think Alyssa actually felt like that on set. She also suffered from depression after marrying and divorcing in the same year. Shannen got the short end of the stick for sure. And then possibly Rose. Was Holly Marie contracted to do Season 4 or Season 4-7? Because perhaps she should have thrown in the towel when she had the chance in Season 4? It kind of what have left Charmed in a better place with enough for a continuation. Argh, its such a shame but a millennial reality of what we saw on screen not being as life-like as out younger-selfs saw it - the Chandler effect! In all of this, it proves, they all are actually amazing actresses to have navigated their way through all this! Holly literally stated that she attempted to quit the show but would be sued for millions if she did. She stayed through the end of her contract. I doubt that WB/Spelling were even THAT afraid of a lawsuit tbh...they had just been sued (successfully) for firing a woman for being pregnant so maybe they were but....I think they just used it as an excuse to get Shannen out and get rid of their headache.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 21, 2023 16:45:18 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they dismiss what she felt on set, both Shannen and Holly confirm that the set itself did not hold any tension, physical fights or verbal aggression or abuse, so they're confused or unsure as to why she felt the way she felt. You can't invalidate the way someone else feels but they've just unsure why she felt that way as the set wasn't as she claimed it was, at least from their perception. I don't think she would have had a robust case; I just think they didn't want to be sued or have that sort of media attention. I think Alyssa constantly pushed and it ended up in having Shannen fired and then she became the star she always wanted to be at the cost of Shannen's livelihood. Yep, S1 was about Prue and S2 was about Piper but guess what? Phoebe got S3 and S4 to herself and most of the major storylines after that. So really you think it was Alyssa Milano's powerhouse at the time, Lynn Milano and all her agents really behind it all. I'd agree, if that's what your saying. It makes me think Alyssa actually felt like that on set. She also suffered from depression after marrying and divorcing in the same year. Shannen got the short end of the stick for sure. And then possibly Rose. Was Holly Marie contracted to do Season 4 or Season 4-7? Because perhaps she should have thrown in the towel when she had the chance in Season 4? It kind of what have left Charmed in a better place with enough for a continuation. Argh, its such a shame but a millennial reality of what we saw on screen not being as life-like as out younger-selfs saw it - the Chandler effect! In all of this, it proves, they all are actually amazing actresses to have navigated their way through all this! I do think Alyssa, Lin and the agents are all behind it and trying to push through the lawsuit if Shannen didn’t get fired. So they ended up firing Shannen cause they’ve done it before so why not do it again? It would be easier than having to go to court with a public figure, I suppose? I understand having been married and divorced in the one year and experiencing depression and perhaps not feeling great on set but I don’t think that should lead to the ultimatum that ended up having Shannen fired from a project she loved so much. But yeah, Shannen and Rose got the short end of the stick. I believe Holly had a five year contract? From what I am seeing but I am not sure? I know Holly tried throwing in the towel prior to S4 even filming but she got threatened by a producer that she would get sued and docked wages if she left.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 21, 2023 17:07:56 GMT -5
So really you think it was Alyssa Milano's powerhouse at the time, Lynn Milano and all her agents really behind it all. I'd agree, if that's what your saying. It makes me think Alyssa actually felt like that on set. She also suffered from depression after marrying and divorcing in the same year. Shannen got the short end of the stick for sure. And then possibly Rose. Was Holly Marie contracted to do Season 4 or Season 4-7? Because perhaps she should have thrown in the towel when she had the chance in Season 4? It kind of what have left Charmed in a better place with enough for a continuation. Argh, its such a shame but a millennial reality of what we saw on screen not being as life-like as out younger-selfs saw it - the Chandler effect! In all of this, it proves, they all are actually amazing actresses to have navigated their way through all this! I do think Alyssa, Lin and the agents are all behind it and trying to push through the lawsuit if Shannen didn’t get fired. So they ended up firing Shannen cause they’ve done it before so why not do it again? It would be easier than having to go to court with a public figure, I suppose? I understand having been married and divorced in the one year and experiencing depression and perhaps not feeling great on set but I don’t think that should lead to the ultimatum that ended up having Shannen fired from a project she loved so much. But yeah, Shannen and Rose got the short end of the stick. I believe Holly had a five year contract? From what I am seeing but I am not sure? I know Holly tried throwing in the towel prior to S4 even filming but she got threatened by a producer that she would get sued and docked wages if she left. Exactly. IDK if anyone knows how courts work, but they're not cheap. Holly being a "lesser star" than Shannen and Alyssa didn't 1) have enough money and/or 2) "star power" to her name and fighting against big named hollyweird honchos, her chances of winning her case is ZERO. Not even Rose was able to take down you know who. And, Holly l losing her case means returning back the money she earned, when she's got a family to feed. It sucks her friend got fired, but it's not worth Holly's hard earned money to leave, when it'll only hurt her in the end. Don't even think Shannen wants that for her friend, either.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 21, 2023 17:26:18 GMT -5
I do think Alyssa, Lin and the agents are all behind it and trying to push through the lawsuit if Shannen didn’t get fired. So they ended up firing Shannen cause they’ve done it before so why not do it again? It would be easier than having to go to court with a public figure, I suppose? I understand having been married and divorced in the one year and experiencing depression and perhaps not feeling great on set but I don’t think that should lead to the ultimatum that ended up having Shannen fired from a project she loved so much. But yeah, Shannen and Rose got the short end of the stick. I believe Holly had a five year contract? From what I am seeing but I am not sure? I know Holly tried throwing in the towel prior to S4 even filming but she got threatened by a producer that she would get sued and docked wages if she left. Exactly. IDK if anyone knows how courts work, but they're not cheap. Holly being a "lesser star" than Shannen and Alyssa didn't 1) have enough money and/or 2) "star power" to her name and fighting against big named hollyweird honchos, her chances of winning her case is ZERO. Not even Rose was able to take down you know who. And, Holly l losing her case means returning back the money she earned, when she's got a family to feed. It sucks her friend got fired, but it's not worth Holly's hard earned money to leave, when it'll only hurt her in the end. Don't even think Shannen wants that for her friend, either. Right? There is zero chance that Alyssa would have won her lawsuit against the company. But maybe the company didn’t want the bad publicity so they decided it would be easier to fire Shannen then have their name dragged through the mud, you know? Shannen and Holly even state in the podcast if Alyssa had tried what she did back then these days, it wouldn’t fly at all and I happen to agree. I really feel for Rose, I do think she is horribly misunderstood by the public and I think Alyssa really did make set hell for her or else why would she cry every time Charmed was renewed? I feel for Holly, I do think she was caught in the middle a lot of the times and being threatened to have your livelihood taken away when you have a young family is so scary. So of course she stayed on. I believe she confirmed that Shannen encouraged her to become a producer so she could have more of a say and more money behind her.
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Post by lunchking on Dec 21, 2023 18:00:39 GMT -5
I do think Alyssa, Lin and the agents are all behind it and trying to push through the lawsuit if Shannen didn’t get fired. So they ended up firing Shannen cause they’ve done it before so why not do it again? It would be easier than having to go to court with a public figure, I suppose? I understand having been married and divorced in the one year and experiencing depression and perhaps not feeling great on set but I don’t think that should lead to the ultimatum that ended up having Shannen fired from a project she loved so much. But yeah, Shannen and Rose got the short end of the stick. I believe Holly had a five year contract? From what I am seeing but I am not sure? I know Holly tried throwing in the towel prior to S4 even filming but she got threatened by a producer that she would get sued and docked wages if she left. Exactly. IDK if anyone knows how courts work, but they're not cheap. Holly being a "lesser star" than Shannen and Alyssa didn't 1) have enough money and/or 2) "star power" to her name and fighting against big named hollyweird honchos, her chances of winning her case is ZERO. Not even Rose was able to take down you know who. And, Holly l losing her case means returning back the money she earned, when she's got a family to feed. It sucks her friend got fired, but it's not worth Holly's hard earned money to leave, when it'll only hurt her in the end. Don't even think Shannen wants that for her friend, either. No, I don't see Shannen wanting that for her friend. She mentioned that on the podcast, that although she admires what she did for her, Holly had to understand she couldn't win that fight. Exactly. IDK if anyone knows how courts work, but they're not cheap. Holly being a "lesser star" than Shannen and Alyssa didn't 1) have enough money and/or 2) "star power" to her name and fighting against big named hollyweird honchos, her chances of winning her case is ZERO. Not even Rose was able to take down you know who. And, Holly l losing her case means returning back the money she earned, when she's got a family to feed. It sucks her friend got fired, but it's not worth Holly's hard earned money to leave, when it'll only hurt her in the end. Don't even think Shannen wants that for her friend, either. Right? There is zero chance that Alyssa would have won her lawsuit against the company. But maybe the company didn’t want the bad publicity so they decided it would be easier to fire Shannen then have their name dragged through the mud, you know? Shannen and Holly even state in the podcast if Alyssa had tried what she did back then these days, it wouldn’t fly at all and I happen to agree. I really feel for Rose, I do think she is horribly misunderstood by the public and I think Alyssa really did make set hell for her or else why would she cry every time Charmed was renewed? I feel for Holly, I do think she was caught in the middle a lot of the times and being threatened to have your livelihood taken away when you have a young family is so scary. So of course she stayed on. I believe she confirmed that Shannen encouraged her to become a producer so she could have more of a say and more money behind her. Yeah, the company wouldn't want bad press coming their way. Spelling would want to protect his own legacy and company. I don't think it would work these days. With the added pressure of social media. It would be easier to leak the truth these days compared to just having the magazines and newspapers printing stories. I feel for Holly, because she had to put up with so much. Can you imagine how hard it must be for her to go into S4 without her BFF, and have to work with Alyssa and Brian dating, while also having to play Brian's on-screen love interest. I also think personality clashes come into play too. Shannen and Alyssa seem like such different people, that I don't think deep down even if they didn't come into conflict over who was the bigger star, that they'd ever be that good of friends off-camera.
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Post by wiccawonder on Dec 21, 2023 21:41:44 GMT -5
Exactly. IDK if anyone knows how courts work, but they're not cheap. Holly being a "lesser star" than Shannen and Alyssa didn't 1) have enough money and/or 2) "star power" to her name and fighting against big named hollyweird honchos, her chances of winning her case is ZERO. Not even Rose was able to take down you know who. And, Holly l losing her case means returning back the money she earned, when she's got a family to feed. It sucks her friend got fired, but it's not worth Holly's hard earned money to leave, when it'll only hurt her in the end. Don't even think Shannen wants that for her friend, either. No, I don't see Shannen wanting that for her friend. She mentioned that on the podcast, that although she admires what she did for her, Holly had to understand she couldn't win that fight. Right? There is zero chance that Alyssa would have won her lawsuit against the company. But maybe the company didn’t want the bad publicity so they decided it would be easier to fire Shannen then have their name dragged through the mud, you know? Shannen and Holly even state in the podcast if Alyssa had tried what she did back then these days, it wouldn’t fly at all and I happen to agree. I really feel for Rose, I do think she is horribly misunderstood by the public and I think Alyssa really did make set hell for her or else why would she cry every time Charmed was renewed? I feel for Holly, I do think she was caught in the middle a lot of the times and being threatened to have your livelihood taken away when you have a young family is so scary. So of course she stayed on. I believe she confirmed that Shannen encouraged her to become a producer so she could have more of a say and more money behind her. Yeah, the company wouldn't want bad press coming their way. Spelling would want to protect his own legacy and company. I don't think it would work these days. With the added pressure of social media. It would be easier to leak the truth these days compared to just having the magazines and newspapers printing stories. I feel for Holly, because she had to put up with so much. Can you imagine how hard it must be for her to go into S4 without her BFF, and have to work with Alyssa and Brian dating, while also having to play Brian's on-screen love interest. I also think personality clashes come into play too. Shannen and Alyssa seem like such different people, that I don't think deep down even if they didn't come into conflict over who was the bigger star, that they'd ever be that good of friends off-camera. That’s right. Shannen wouldn’t want that for her friend and Shannen confirms that she knows that Holly did what she could for her at the time but had to protect her livelihood at the same time. But yeah, I am with you, Spelling wanted to protect his company and legacy and decided to do that by firing Shannen again. But yes, leaking is insane these days and happens often compared to back in the day with interviews, newspapers and magazines as the only source of ‘official’ news. I feel for Holly, I feel like she was constantly stuck in the middle of most situations and had to go into S4 heartbroken and confused about her feelings about the whole situation. I know she wanted to quit prior to S4 and wanted to quit again later on, maybe around S5-S6? I don’t think Shannen and Alyssa would have ever been the best of friends but I feel Shannen tried to keep it professional but it didn’t roll that way.
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Post by forbuss on Dec 22, 2023 14:31:59 GMT -5
I totally agree that it's her podcast and she can discuss whatever topics or experiences she wants to. I do understand she wants to "clear the air" as this has followed the stars of the show/the show basically forever.
I would just like to hear Alyssa's side but I doubt Alyssa will comment or respond in any way.
I also want to note that this appears to be second hand news. I don't think it's bad if Alyssa was talking to a therapist on set. A lot of what Holly is saying is what Aaron Spelling told her and that may not be the truth.
Clearly something or a series of things happened as even Holly acknowledges that any conflict or tension happened off set in trailers. After listening to the entire podcast I think Holly/Shannen were just saying Shannen shouldn't have been fired because whatever was happening (in their opinion) was not impacting their work/the show/being on set.
I also wonder what may have happened if Holly/Shannen did agree to speak with the therapist/mediator. Maybe they could have gotten all the women on the same page to prevent a situation where the producers felt the show couldn't continue without firing someone.
But a lot of the responses from folks on this thread seem harsh towards Alyssa. I agree that Shannen can speak her truth and say anything she wants - but Alyssa also has that right and she is allowed to speak with a therapist/mediator and tell her experience. Perhaps Alyssa had good intentions and was trying to get things resolved but they couldn't resolve if Shannen/Holly didn't want to talk about it.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Dec 22, 2023 14:52:30 GMT -5
But a lot of the responses from folks on this thread seem harsh towards Alyssa. I agree that Shannen can speak her truth and say anything she wants - but Alyssa also has that right and she is allowed to speak with a therapist/mediator and tell her experience. Perhaps Alyssa had good intentions and was trying to get things resolved but they couldn't resolve if Shannen/Holly didn't want to talk about it. My views on Milano have nothing to do with the show, including this drama. Milano has flip flopped her stances regarding other issues, that I just don't believe anything she says. I agree with McGowan that Milano is a lie.
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