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Post by ljones on Aug 3, 2007 20:32:15 GMT -5
I have a theoretical question concerning Prue. If Piper died or Phoebe even, could you see Prue going evil or insane like Willow did in "Buffy?" Yes. Has anyone remembered her attempt to beat one of the Seekers to death in "Death Takes a Halliwell"? Her actions were motivated by pure anger and hate. And if Piper can have a breakdown like she did in "Hell Hath No Fury", so could Prue. Just about anyone could succumb to evil, if the right emotional buttons are pushed. Going vengeful without turning evil? How do you do that?
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 7, 2007 15:24:20 GMT -5
So, we actually agree on something!?!
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Post by ljones on Aug 7, 2007 20:41:03 GMT -5
No, she wasn't. Because it wasn't all Phoebe's fault. The only reason Prue and Piper had originally protested against Phoebe's decision to search for Cole was because they had feared she would be emotionally hurt. In the end, Prue had decided that it was okay for Phoebe to search for Cole. And may I remind everyone that Phoebe needed Prue and Piper's help to send her to the Source's Realm. They could have refused.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 8, 2007 0:01:44 GMT -5
Honestly, if Phoebe was the one who died, it's pretty darn likely Prue wouldn't have become evil. She probably would have blamed herself for Phoebe's death. This would have also opened the door for a Cole/Prue romance. Maybe Prue would have been the Queen of the Underworld instead of Phoebe.
If Piper were the one to die (which probably would have ended Charmed), is the only time I could see Prue evil. After all, what happens when your closest and more useful sister is killed? You go on a rampage!!
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 8, 2007 15:48:23 GMT -5
Again, I refuse to buy into your blame game. Ms. Jones, of course, Prue made an error of judgement. She, like Piper and Phoebe, underestimated the power of Shax. Had she or they taken more than a few seconds to reflect on whether Shax truly had been vanquished, then Prue never would have acquiesced in Phoebe's escapade. I can imagine a dialogue as follows:
Prue: Phoebs, I know you want to save Cole if you can. But, you know that's a really risky proposition. After all, we've been down this road before. Are you really sure he's worth saving that much?
Phoebe: Of course, I do, Prue. I know that he's good. Whatever they are doing to him down there is hurting him, I know. I have to at least try to save him.
Prue: Yes, but Phoebs, we have a situation here where we have a doctor to protect. I mean you saw in your vision that he was going to be killed by Shax.
Phoebe: But, Prue, we've protected him. Shax came, he saw, but did not conquer.
Prue: Phoebes, we don't know if we've truly saved him. If Shax hasn't been vanquished, then he'll be back.
Piper: And, I'll be ready for him.
Prue: Yes, but Piper, according to the Book, it takes a power of three spell to defeat Shax. And, we've only had Phoebe recite the spell.
Phoebe: But, he's gone for now.
Prue: He'll back. That's what demons do. They keep coming back. If we send you to the underworld, we'll have no way of reaching you. Right, Leo?
Leo: Ummm, yeah, right. I won't be able to sense your location if we need you in an emergency. It will take time to find you in the underworld.
Phoebe: You guys, come on. It won't take long. I just gotta find Cole and hit him with this potion. Easy in, easy out.
Prue: You know as well as I do, Phoebs, that nothing is ever that easy. If something goes wrong there, we won't be able to help you. I beg you not to go right now.
Phoebe: Please!
Prue: No, majority rules. Besides, it takes Piper and me to help send you there. And, we're not going to help, at least not now. When this Shax stuff is finished, then we'll be more than glad to help you.
Alas, none of that happened since the whole purpose of the show was to both establish a cliffhanger and allow the possibility for Shannen's character to be removed.
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Post by foxfire on Aug 8, 2007 19:01:52 GMT -5
That is more like it. Lol.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 9, 2007 12:07:54 GMT -5
When I first read the topic title, my immediate reaction was NO WAY! But after reading what you all wrote, especially being reminded to her reaction towards Piper being shot in All Hell Breaks Loose, I've got to agree that you all have a point.
I also agree that I don't think she would've acted the same way if, say, Cole had returned from the Underworld with Phoebe dead in his arms--she would've blamed Phoebe for trying to save Cole when they knew that Shax was still around. (although I have a hunch she and Cole would've had a HELLUVA fight, as she'd also blame him for not protecting her!)--as she did and would've if it had been Piper who died.
I think an angry Prue using TK every which way would've been interesting. But if she really hurt an innocent, once she came back to herself, I'll bet she'd mentally beat herself up royally!
I just wonder if Paige could've brought her back, the way she brought Piper back--I'm not sure if Prue would've believed her!
Whatcha think?
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Post by Triad on Aug 10, 2007 18:27:25 GMT -5
I also agree that I don't think she would've acted the same way if, say, Cole had returned from the Underworld with Phoebe dead in his arms--she would've blamed Phoebe for trying to save Cole when they knew that Shax was still around. Personally, i think Prue would ultimately blame herself for any deaths of her sisters. She plays the role of the protector, at least in her mind she does. I can see an evil Prue resulting from the deaths of either Piper or Phoebe. Though, i have to say, the permanent death of Piper would be a lot more complex. So I'm going to talk about the result of a permanent Piper death. When Piper dies, Prue is ultimately alone. Her sister/best friend is dead and unlike Piper and Phoebe, she does not have a secondary crutch to lean on, namely Leo or Cole. And at that time, her relationship with Phoebe is thinly stretched. By this time, I believe Prue has fallen into depression, and i mean deep depression. She has lost her Mom, Grams, Andy, and Piper(assuming Piper dies), and she could not protect them. Thus making her feel like she is useless. If you think about it, she has such a great power for protection, pushing enemies away, and blocking their attacks, but even with all of these uses for protection she still could not do anything to save her sister/best friend, along with her lover Andy. On the flip side, not only has she started to hate herself, she is also very vengeful, and full of fury. But this fury isn't going to come to it's full power till everything to resurrect Piper is exhausted. (All theory from here on) Then I would expect Prue to have a godly increase in powers over her TK and/or AP, whether we would like to admit it or not, Prue's power was increasing at a rapid rate in AHBL, she developed a sort of 6th sense (sensing Shax), and her individual powers as a Witch was growing to the point where her vanquishes could act as 2 Charmed Ones (the supposed vanquish of Shax at the hospital, with just her and Piper). So due to the emotional surge going on through her head, her powers would increase further (much like the little surge of power she displayed in the 1st episode when she heard "Dad"). Anyway, as she has proved in the past, the higher the emotional stress the more powerful she becomes, namely Primrose Empath. Now, after reading this thread, i was quite surprised that her AP power wasn't mentioned a lot. Due to the build up of emotional stress, i would now expect her mind to split. Like a security measure, she would avoid a huge mental breakdown by making a AP form fueled by fury and vengeance, thus making an evil Prue. Going back to the power surge, this overwhelming surge of power may in fact allow the AP Prue to use powers, we all knew Prue tried to do this earlier on in Season 3. Now after this split i would think Prue's self hatred for herself with stay with her, inhibiting her powers, while the AP Prue will be uncontrollable, and use her TK powers to the maximum. In other words, Prue is still Prue, but just deeply depressed, and filled with a complex combination of self disappointment, sorrow, and Self-hatred. Her AP clone is just a desperate attempt to fill the fury and vengeful leftovers that could not fit in the storm of emotions already in her mind. This isn't to say that if Phoebe died that this won't happen, but the emotional surge will not be as intense, since most of her life is with Piper, and Phoebe wasn't there for some of the time. I still think that this "Split" will happen either way. Yes i know this question will be asked, what about her power failure in Sin Fransisco? Well, that was pride, and in the first episode she showed a power surge due to anger. Plus her pride had nothing to go off of, while this anger was spawned by the lost of her sister/anyone else important she could not save (i assume that there will be a revisit to Andy's death as she mourns over Piper/Phoebe. Whether or not this anger translated to the AP clone, i honestly don't know, come up with your own conclusions. Also does it seem to you that this would have been a good story arc? With Prue's AP fully explored along with enough emotional drama i would have loved to see this play out Well, thats my two cents.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 12, 2007 20:30:50 GMT -5
I think that would make a *fantastic* story arc, one I hope you'll write. And to get you started, I'm going to bless you for it!!
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Post by charmedfan4evr on Aug 12, 2007 22:12:50 GMT -5
Personally, i think Prue would ultimately blame herself for any deaths of her sisters. She plays the role of the protector, at least in her mind she does. Yes, I most certainly agree. As not just the eldest charmed one, but as big sister, Prue felt that it was her sole responsibilty to protect her two younger siblings. And if they were to die, Prue would definitely feel guilt inside of her. But do I think Prue would go insane and turn evil-no way. Prue is strong, she's got skin. She would realize that she shouldn't blame herself. She knows better. She's the ultimate good, and would never side with evil.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 13, 2007 10:18:22 GMT -5
I thought the same thing until I read this thread and was reminded of the way Prue reacted towards the people (INNOCENTS!) who blocked her when she was trying to get Piper to the hospital in All Hell Breaks Loose--using magic on innocents! BAD Prue!! Bad, BAD Prue! Not that I blamed her, mind you, because it showed us that "St. Prue" is defintely mortal and given the right impetus (the death of Piper definitely being that), I think she could've turned into a Fury and ended up harming innocents (even more than Piper did) and thus becoming evil. As the sisters put it, "You're not truly one of us until you go demon at your sisters at least twice". That *definitely* includes Prue! But *stay* evil? No way!
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 13, 2007 10:22:48 GMT -5
Along the same lines, think of Prue during Morality Bites. If Phoebe hadn't stopped her, Prue (and she's our Prue, not Future Prue) would've become a murderer like Future Phoebe was. I truly believe that as humans, we can *all* become evil given the correct impetus. (Keep in mind that I agree with Phoebe--Wrong things done for the right reasons are still wrong) And since Grams raised Prue to be the big sister and protector, try to harm her sisters and watch out! It's why it could've been fun if it had been Piper who died rather than Prue. Can you imagine Prue going after Cole when he tried to turn Prue's little sister into his Queen of the Underworld??? And I do believe given that scenario, Paige wouldn't have been the only sister who realized that Cole was possessed!
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Post by charmedfan4evr on Aug 13, 2007 16:25:56 GMT -5
I thought the same thing until I read this thread and was reminded of the way Prue reacted towards the people (INNOCENTS!) who blocked her when she was trying to get Piper to the hospital in All Hell Breaks Loose--using magic on innocents! BAD Prue!! Bad, BAD Prue! Ok, Piper was DYING! And those people were insane. Piper was shot, they knew she was wounded the least they could have done was move. There was no "BAD" in Prue what so ever. If you're own sister is dying, and the people around you aren't doing anything to help and are just making the situation worse, you're going to do anything you possibly could. Prue would never ever intentionally hurt any innocent. Innocents always came first to Prue, and you know that. She couldn't take her time and calmly ask the "animals" that were swarming her to move-the weren't listening. In such an incident, Prue had every right to use her magic.
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Post by ljones on Aug 13, 2007 17:25:44 GMT -5
I thought the same thing until I read this thread and was reminded of the way Prue reacted towards the people (INNOCENTS!) who blocked her when she was trying to get Piper to the hospital in All Hell Breaks Loose--using magic on innocents! BAD Prue!! Bad, BAD Prue! Ok, Piper was DYING! And those people were insane. Piper was shot, they knew she was wounded the least they could have done was move. There was no "BAD" in Prue what so ever. If you're own sister is dying, and the people around you aren't doing anything to help and are just making the situation worse, you're going to do anything you possibly could. Prue would never ever intentionally hurt any innocent. Innocents always came first to Prue, and you know that. She couldn't take her time and calmly ask the "animals" that were swarming her to move-the weren't listening. In such an incident, Prue had every right to use her magic. Actually, Prue had no excuse. She had allowed grief as an excuse to succumbed to her darker nature. And this was the second time she had done this. Oh wait a minute . . . I mean her third time. Phoebe said that? What a joke! Prue, like her sisters and anyone else, was quite capable of remaining on the path of evil.
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Post by whitelightertony on Aug 15, 2007 22:03:49 GMT -5
I always wondered why, in "All Hell Breaks Loose," the reporters and spectators didn't notice that Piper was badly wounded. Wouldn't they want to help Prue get Piper to the hospital as quickly as possible?
And sorry, but even when enduring the death of a sister, Prue might be driven to evil actions yet I can't imagine her actually siding with or aligning herself with Evil. She would blame Evil for her sister's death.
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Post by charmedfan4evr on Aug 16, 2007 9:44:26 GMT -5
Yup, any normal human being would rush to help. They were just all a bunch of maniacs, who made the situation much worse. Prue had no other option to use her tk. It was either ask the raging lunatics to move calmly while her own sister is dying in her arms, or act smart and do what you have to do (Prue very well knew she wasn't going to seriously injure any of them.)
Exactly whitelightertony..Prue would never side with evil, she would blame it and hate evil even more. Prue would hunt down this evil, and wouldn't sleep until she knew it was dead.
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Post by Triad on Aug 16, 2007 10:32:51 GMT -5
Yup, any normal human being would rush to help. They were just all a bunch of maniacs, who made the situation much worse. Prue had no other option to use her tk. It was either ask the raging lunatics to move calmly while her own sister is dying in her arms, or act smart and do what you have to do (Prue very well knew she wasn't going to seriously injure any of them.) Exactly whitelightertony..Prue would never side with evil, she would blame it and hate evil even more. Prue would hunt down this evil, and wouldn't sleep until she knew it was dead. I love Prue so much, but she does have her limits. I agree i don't understand why people did not help her when Piper was shot, but there was the news reporter who asked her what the problem was. But the newscaster got flung back. Also i remember a time when Prue flipped a person into and over a car, i can't say that her intentions were to gently fling people away, but to get them out of the as fast as possible. And to get them out of the way as fast as possible she used full force of her TK(which makes sense). And i agree, Prue most likely won't go to the evil Demonic side, but we can't guarantee that her mind will always be whole. Remember Just Harried? Her independent, and duty side spit. If one of her sisters died it would mostly split her mind to produce a "bad" Prue in AP form, or even having the "Bad" Prue inside, kick "Good" Prue into an AP form (which is very interesting to me). Prue's actions, weren't evil to me in AHBL, but she did loss stability of her mind and was a loose cannon, which to me is just as dangerous, or even most dangerous. She like the rest of her sisters can go evil, but with AP i think she can manifest her evil side.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 16, 2007 11:39:33 GMT -5
Put it this way. Had those idiotic Cleaners been around, Prue would've been cleaned out for using magic on mortals. Yes, you can say she wasn't guilty due to temporary insanity, but she still did wrong, the way she has before, as has been pointed out. She's no saint. THANK GOD! Saints on TV shows (or fanfics) are boring!
But would she ever actually align herself with evil, the way Phoebe did; the way Piper and Phoebe did to get Prue back in "Armeggedon, Not!" ? Yes, I think she might. During S7, I kept thinking about Prue and wishing she had been part of it. I can *so* imagine her with Zankou, getting together with him to help save the world from the Avatars, the way Leo did. And, oh, can I see her blasting her sisters for thinking that it was OK for the avatars to have total control over everyone else as long as they could have their own perfect world of having their kids!
And I *definitely* think that like Piper, she would've become a Fury had one of the other sisters been killed, especially Piper!
And as has been pointed out--with her AP, you never know for sure what that AP would've done!
It's why I wish one of the other two had died rather than her--watching her reaction would've been *such* fun!
Yep, she did, just before she was burnt. And I've never forgiven Alyssa or Kern or his writers for letting her forget! Prue wouldn't have let them--and if Kern or his writers had let her, I would've REALLY been upset!
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Post by Kura on Aug 16, 2007 23:37:38 GMT -5
I don't think Prue would have necessarily gone evil.. she might have gone on this rage or something because she would have been crushed...
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Aug 16, 2007 23:44:11 GMT -5
i don't think prue would have become evil.. in a bad situation she was just reacting quickly!!!
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