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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 19, 2013 23:09:00 GMT -5
All I'll say to all of that is two wrongs do NOT make a right! But I think you can see why even though "Morality Bites" will always be my favorite episode, I'll always wish that it was *NOT* part of Charmed. It so colored my idea of what was moral and what wasn't and when the sisters would go against it - ESPECIALLY Phoebe - it just made me hate them.
Also, by using her powers to throw the reporters, Prue was proving that she was indeed a witch. That in itself was what the show seemed to consider the worst crime, especially once Kern took over - by the way he had it punished, he seemed to think that was even a worse crime than murder.
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Post by ljones on Dec 20, 2013 21:13:58 GMT -5
I never got the impression that Kern had Prue punished for using her telekinesis against the reporters. I believe that she ended up dead, due to a series of circumstances and bad decisions that began when she and Piper helped Phoebe teleport to the Source's Realm . . . and leave the house to vanquish Stax in broad daylight.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Dec 21, 2013 10:21:15 GMT -5
I agree with ljones. All around Prue's death was caused by the scenario and it started with the exposure of their magic by vanquishing Shax in daylight and unnoticed in front of a TV camera. They were exposed already and so Prue saw no other choice than to use her telekinesis against the reporters.
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Post by forbuss on Dec 21, 2013 12:52:03 GMT -5
The situation in Morality Bites was totally different, because Phoebe was the one who killed someone - she was punishing the guilty. Prue didn't kill the person who shot Piper, she just did what she had to do to get Piper to the hospital. If Prue had of killed who shot Piper, then it would have been the same type of situation..
Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but I don't see what Prue did as being wrong. She wasn't using her powers for evil like Phoebe was.
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Post by iamthesun on Dec 21, 2013 14:47:33 GMT -5
Prue had no choice but to use her powers, Piper was dying and they were in her way. Her emotions were heightened so that probably contributed to it as well. I too agree that Prue's death was caused by bad timing and bad luck.
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Post by kriswyatthalliwell on Dec 24, 2013 1:54:54 GMT -5
If Phoebe had died during AHBL, I think Prue would have been kicking and blaming herself for not being able to save/protect her baby sister. If Piper had died in AHBL, Prue would have been a mess. Maybe she would have been evil or close to evil for a bit but she's Prue and she would get through it and understand that she is a Charmed One and not some demon.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 24, 2013 9:50:33 GMT -5
*nods* Exactly.
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Post by ljones on Dec 24, 2013 21:37:13 GMT -5
Why do you guys keep using the term "demonic"? You act as if the only way for the sisters to become evil, is to become demons. Are you still stuck in this mindset that human=good and demon=evil?
One can be thoroughly human and evil. The series has proven this on many occasions.
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Post by Nimue on Apr 22, 2015 12:20:40 GMT -5
Prue evil... now that's something I would really, really loved to have seen. But not becoming evil because she's under a demon's influence: Barbas's turning her evil was fun to watch, but when she was forced into that marriage in Season 3, it wasn't funny- it was boring (although I love her outfit and the underground scenery!).
Prue could be evil, (just like everybody else, but I don't believe she could be evil to the extent the sisters were in the later seasons), but what would have been interesting to watch is see her breakdown and misuse her powers, either due to the loss of an innocent, or for some other strong, depressing reason. When I say misuse, I mean the way she did in "All Hell Breaks Loose", or "Death Takes a Halliwell"; for me, in those scenes, Prue wasn't evil, she was just reacting to extreme emotional stress, and that would have been a lot more intriguing to watch than her being under a spell. Something similar as to what happened to Piper in "Hell Hath no Fury", only without the turning into a demon part.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 22, 2015 13:58:07 GMT -5
What would have been interesting to watch is see her breakdown and misuse her powers, either due to the loss of an innocent, or for some other strong, depressing reason. When I say misuse, I mean the way she did in "All Hell Breaks Loose", or "Death Takes a Halliwell"; for me, in those scenes, Prue wasn't evil, she was just reacting to extreme emotional stress, and that would have been a lot more intriguing to watch than her being under a spell. Something similar as to what happened to Piper in "Hell Hath no Fury", only without the turning into a demon part. Exactly. If it was definative that witches powers were controlled by their emotions then it would make sense if Prue's went wonky or became unaccessible because she'd broken down due to Piper or Phoebe dieing or losing an innocent which she'd come to realise overtime would only work again if she grieved and accepted what had happened and moved on so her Paige and which ever other sister could vanquish the Source. Another idea I had is that Prue could've been open to demonic possesion in that she wouldn't have got possessed per say like in 'Supernatural' as that's been done so many times but she could've been in between that which Piper or Phoebe could have attuted her change in behaviour to having lost an innocent/sister not knowing the real reason plus Paige wouldn't have known what was going on had she been around then as she wouldn't have known Prue really anyway. The sisters would save the eldest Halliwell of course once they'd known what was going on which could've been around the middle of the season so things built up slowly from the start before coming to a head some time afterwards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2015 20:10:54 GMT -5
I don't see her turning evil. I think losing either sister would just make Prue all the more protective of the one left. She might go a bit berserk during a fight or lose control of her powers, act rashly and recklessly, but I don't think she'd go Dark Prue or whatever; aside from beating the living %!@# out of whoever was responsible.
To be honest, even though Prue had her rage issues, if Piper or Phoebe died, I think she'd mostly just be broken. Sure there'd be some anger there, but I think more than anything she'd feel like she failed them and would punish herself. Bearing in mind all the "she sacrificed her whole childhood to help raise us" stuff, losing a sister to Prue could be more akin to losing a child. The way Piper specifically grieved her "big sister", the strong supporter she didn't know how to be without...I think Prue would grieve a sister like a child she brought up.
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Post by forbuss on Apr 23, 2015 12:07:15 GMT -5
Hmm.. I actually don't know. I personally think Prue would not have turned evil. I often look to her getting cursed with "pride" to echo many things regarding her character and I think that she is too proud to ever allow that to happen, and too in control.
However, if Alice Hicks had of succeeded in killing Piper I think this would have been possible. I mean, Prue was already using her powers for evil in that episode, regardless of the extenuating circumstances. This was a very specific situation that absolutely forced her to use her powers against humans, even if they did not seem so "innocent" or "good" in that moment.
Also, we need to consider that in Buffy when Willow turned evil, the magic that she was harnessing came from a place of both good and evil, from mystic energy that wasn't biased. The magic in Charmed was biased and specific, the only one who was thought of as more apt to be evil was Phoebe because she was born on the Nexus, which is similar to Buffy in terms of the not good OR evil, just power.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 17:22:06 GMT -5
You could take it in a direction based on some of the stuff we saw in s3...
I think if Prue had stayed and another sister died, they could have had a story arc for her losing control. Not going evil per say, but perhaps losing control of her powers and not necessarily minding so much, or becoming less concerned with personal gain rules. It wouldn't be from a place where Prue is being vindictive, more careless/self-destructive; serious risk taking with no concern for her own safety. Using her magic as an outlet, she may not realise how out of control she's getting just so long as she's still saving people in the end. But then near the half way point of the season, she's smacked with a serious consequence, a consequence that can't just be resolved in one episode; something she's stuck with.
The second half of the season could have Prue really starting to communicate her grief and accept her issues. She'd acknowledge her anger problems relating to death and start to find a better balance with her emotions and ultimately her witchcraft. Perhaps this is where Paige's experience losing her parents could come into it, allowing them to connect more. Maybe bring back Simon Templeman and have a scene where she accepts him, having finally truthfully learned the lesson he meant to teach her. She is no longer so angry; as hard as it still maybe, she can let him go and let her sister go.
So this could provide conclusions to two of her arcs started in season 3. 1) Her anger surrounding death. 2) Becoming more in tune with her emotions on a deeper level could resolve the issues of "Just Harried" and give her a greater control of her AP.
Also, while Prue recovers from this, if Piper is still alive, she could share in the lead witch duties some more and learn to accept who she is by the end of the season. (Like in Witch Way Now, just more actively over the course of more episodes)
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 23, 2015 18:52:06 GMT -5
You could take it in a direction based on some of the stuff we saw in s3... I think if Prue had stayed and another sister died, they could have had a story arc for her losing control. Not going evil per say, but perhaps losing control of her powers and not necessarily minding so much, or becoming less concerned with personal gain rules. It wouldn't be from a place where Prue is being vindictive, more careless/self-destructive; serious risk taking with no concern for her own safety. Using her magic as an outlet, she may not realise how out of control she's getting just so long as she's still saving people in the end. But then near the half way point of the season, she's smacked with a serious consequence, a consequence that can't just be resolved in one episode; something she's stuck with. The second half of the season could have Prue really starting to communicate her grief and accept her issues. She'd acknowledge her anger problems relating to death and start to find a better balance with her emotions and ultimately her witchcraft. Perhaps this is where Paige's experience losing her parents could come into it, allowing them to connect more. Maybe bring back Simon Templeman and have a scene where she accepts him, having finally truthfully learned the lesson he meant to teach her. She is no longer so angry; as hard as it still maybe, she can let him go and let her sister go. So this could provide conclusions to two of her arcs started in season 3. 1) Her anger surrounding death. 2) Becoming more in tune with her emotions on a deeper level could resolve the issues of "Just Harried" and give her a greater control of her AP. This would be a great idea p3nathan and be good continuality wise also concerning Prue and what not. So would her attitude pertaining to her powers sorter be like then that "I've lost one sister already I'm not goanna loose anyone else." type thing wherein she loses control like you said and doesn't care about what consequnces come out of that as long as the jobs done etc? What kinder consequence would you give Prue for that then? And yes you could have "A Paige From The Past" in the second half of season 4 then or even "Styx Feet Under" from season 7 redone Prue's way with Simon Templemen in that as you said. Also, while Prue recovers from this, if Piper is still alive, she could share in the lead witch duties some more and learn to accept who she is by the end of the season. (Like in Witch Way Now, just more actively over the course of more episodes) This would be a much better story arc for Piper character wise with further progression shown of her which I would love more than her constant normal life whining we got afterwards that you wouldn't have then obviously.
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Post by forbuss on Apr 27, 2015 11:57:35 GMT -5
You could take it in a direction based on some of the stuff we saw in s3... I think if Prue had stayed and another sister died, they could have had a story arc for her losing control. Not going evil per say, but perhaps losing control of her powers and not necessarily minding so much, or becoming less concerned with personal gain rules. It wouldn't be from a place where Prue is being vindictive, more careless/self-destructive; serious risk taking with no concern for her own safety. Using her magic as an outlet, she may not realise how out of control she's getting just so long as she's still saving people in the end. But then near the half way point of the season, she's smacked with a serious consequence, a consequence that can't just be resolved in one episode; something she's stuck with. The second half of the season could have Prue really starting to communicate her grief and accept her issues. She'd acknowledge her anger problems relating to death and start to find a better balance with her emotions and ultimately her witchcraft. Perhaps this is where Paige's experience losing her parents could come into it, allowing them to connect more. Maybe bring back Simon Templeman and have a scene where she accepts him, having finally truthfully learned the lesson he meant to teach her. She is no longer so angry; as hard as it still maybe, she can let him go and let her sister go. So this could provide conclusions to two of her arcs started in season 3. 1) Her anger surrounding death. 2) Becoming more in tune with her emotions on a deeper level could resolve the issues of "Just Harried" and give her a greater control of her AP. Also, while Prue recovers from this, if Piper is still alive, she could share in the lead witch duties some more and learn to accept who she is by the end of the season. (Like in Witch Way Now, just more actively over the course of more episodes)
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Post by ljones on Jun 25, 2015 1:05:29 GMT -5
I can see Prue becoming evil on her own. I can see each Halliwell sister giving in to evil . . . on their own. Like everyone else, they possess personality traits that made them capable of becoming evil. There is nothing special about them that would prevent any of them from fully embracing evil.
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