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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 24, 2017 20:02:34 GMT -5
I'd rather no one died, just kept the original Po3. Or what would have been interesting is if Prue had still died at the end of Season 3, then they spend season 4 mourning her and training up Paige, then PAIGE (with her half witch half white lighter thing) finds a way to bring her back in the season 5 premiere or the season 4 finale - but it was kept a total secret from the public until the second Prue teetered the room. That would have been the sweetest thing in the world. And then something could have happened like, either it becomes the Power of 4, or Paige became the girls' white lighter, but a special kind of white lighter for them because she's still half witch and still a sister of the charmed ones. Then Lep and Piper wouldn't have had all the 'forbidden rules' drama and the four of them would be pretty much invincible. Ah, thank you ... this is what I was dreaming for. I kept turning in with the hopes that Prue would return one way or another, but your idea was my perfect plan as I did see them as the power of 4. What you bring up new for me is Paige being their white-lighter. I like that. I always felt that the girls with what they had to face needed to have their own white-lighter that didn't have to dash off looking after other charges. Being a new sibling she might have been able to separate sisterly emotions from the logic that sometimes escaped the sisters. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 24, 2017 20:26:32 GMT -5
I'd rather no one died, just kept the original Po3. Or what would have been interesting is if Prue had still died at the end of Season 3, then they spend season 4 mourning her and training up Paige, then PAIGE (with her half witch half white lighter thing) finds a way to bring her back in the season 5 premiere or the season 4 finale - but it was kept a total secret from the public until the second Prue teetered the room. That would have been the sweetest thing in the world. And then something could have happened like, either it becomes the Power of 4, or Paige became the girls' white lighter, but a special kind of white lighter for them because she's still half witch and still a sister of the charmed ones. Then Lep and Piper wouldn't have had all the 'forbidden rules' drama and the four of them would be pretty much invincible. Ah, thank you ... this is what I was dreaming for. I kept turning in with the hopes that Prue would return one way or another, but your idea was my perfect plan as I did see them as the power of 4. What you bring up new for me is Paige being their white-lighter. I like that. I always felt that the girls with what they had to face needed to have their own white-lighter that didn't have to dash off looking after other charges. Being a new sibling she might have been able to separate sisterly emotions from the logic that sometimes escaped the sisters. Well I am not too sure how a power of four would work, I know some fans love this idea. But I don't know how it will be possible, it might have been wiser to just introduce Paige another way and keep her more whitelighter since well they ended up turning her into that anyways with Kern's writing dear. That they may as well made her their whitelighter if Prue was alive. Maybe Paige could be used in the final season and been the half sister that was hidden all these years. I don't know dear just throwing out ideas. But again, I don't think I can fully support a power of four dear sadly. |
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 24, 2017 23:03:31 GMT -5
I've heard three theories granny is that the power would diminish their power as its stretched thin, they are very powerful like the comics and destroys the universe or it's slightly stronger then the power of four where demons stand no chance.
I liked how reality reset handled it, but Kern would've made it more boring as the seasons past. Think of Piper blowing up a high level demon and no challenge.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 25, 2017 12:34:32 GMT -5
I've heard three theories granny is that the power would diminish their power as its stretched thin, they are very powerful like the comics and destroys the universe or it's slightly stronger then the power of four where demons stand no chance. I liked how reality reset handled it, but Kern would've made it more boring as the seasons past. Think of Piper blowing up a high level demon and no challenge. I have never entertained the idea that with 4 sisters their powers would have been stretched and thus diminished. Interesting... In my perfect universe though, the girls would not be responsible for dealing with the evil of all evils. The more I ponder the introduction of The Source, the more I would like to vanquish The Kern. As Es reminded me, Melinda never mentions the girls going head to head with the Big Bad, only that they would be the most powerful of all witches. Since I doubt The Source zeroed in on the city of SF, I think I would have liked to see them just dealing with low to middle demons, but mostly helping your average every day innocents. I find I enjoyed those episodes the most. So if you take The Source off the table a high magnitude of power would not be required. Melinda's prophecy doesn't have to be perfect, and if you look at it, with what Kern did, it wasn't anyway. He in a sense destroyed it by ....1.) adding the Big Bad to the cauldron. 2.) introducing a white-lighter to the brew. 3.) diluting the girls focus on defending the innocents in the human fraction to concentrating the battle primarily magic to magic. This I would like to think was not what Melinda was trying to bring forth. I have a lot more to say on this but I fear I am talking too much. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 27, 2017 6:58:32 GMT -5
I've heard three theories granny is that the power would diminish their power as its stretched thin, they are very powerful like the comics and destroys the universe or it's slightly stronger then the power of four where demons stand no chance. I liked how reality reset handled it, but Kern would've made it more boring as the seasons past. Think of Piper blowing up a high level demon and no challenge. I have never entertained the idea that with 4 sisters their powers would have been stretched and thus diminished. Interesting... In my perfect universe though, the girls would not be responsible for dealing with the evil of all evils. The more I ponder the introduction of The Source, the more I would like to vanquish The Kern. As Es reminded me, Melinda never mentions the girls going head to head with the Big Bad, only that they would be the most powerful of all witches. Since I doubt The Source zeroed in on the city of SF, I think I would have liked to see them just dealing with low to middle demons, but mostly helping your average every day innocents. I find I enjoyed those episodes the most. So if you take The Source off the table a high magnitude of power would not be required. Melinda's prophecy doesn't have to be perfect, and if you look at it, with what Kern did, it wasn't anyway. He in a sense destroyed it by ....1.) adding the Big Bad to the cauldron. 2.) introducing a white-lighter to the brew. 3.) diluting the girls focus on defending the innocents in the human fraction to concentrating the battle primarily magic to magic. This I would like to think was not what Melinda was trying to bring forth. I have a lot more to say on this but I fear I am talking too much. You make a good case SC, and you are right Melinda's prophecy isn't perfect and she didn't see every detail. And The Source who I mentioned earlier when I first joined this forum was poorly handled and never should of been vanquished because it makes no sense. You cannot kill off evil. But I feel the essence of evil cannot be destroyed, but just the host body. But maybe they could contain the essence of ultimate evil. But after season 4, I was hoping the show would go back to the season 1 and 2 stories. The threat of evil has reached it's peak, and now it is a matter or dealing with the threats left behind. But Zankou was great. My theory is that both he and The Half Faced Source were in a big battle and The Source won out and got the essence and powers to be leader. I just didn't like the way the handled it. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 27, 2017 13:29:34 GMT -5
Ah ha, yes indeed ... 3 young ladies from SF are going to go head to head with the source of all evil! Blah ... I gather the writer's didn't plan to have him be the devil himself, but from what I have read all over the net, many viewers thought of him that way. Now if the creators of this had higher IQ's, it might have been wiser to have the source be female. I doubt anyone would have envisioned her as the top gun of the dark-side. No, I can not picture Satan-ette standing on a street corner in stiletto heels and a feather boa.
I do like your thought of working to contain the essences of primary evil, though not the source of the greatest power of the dark. Somehow my Sunday school teachings will not allow me to go there. What would happen from there I don't know. Hey, don't we have a probe called New Horizons investigating Pluto? Well they could have, when the time was right just orbed the essence to the space-craft and when way out there ... blow it up. That should keep the power demons busy for years trying to collect it. Gee if the writer's can be nuts, so can I.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 27, 2017 22:40:06 GMT -5
Ah ha, yes indeed ... 3 young ladies from SF are going to go head to head with the source of all evil! Blah ... I gather the writer's didn't plan to have him be the devil himself, but from what I have read all over the net, many viewers thought of him that way. Now if the creators of this had higher IQ's, it might have been wiser to have the source be female. I doubt anyone would have envisioned her as the top gun of the dark-side. No, I can not picture Satan-ette standing on a street corner in stiletto heels and a feather boa. I do like your thought of working to contain the essences of primary evil, though not the source of the greatest power of the dark. Somehow my Sunday school teachings will not allow me to go there. What would happen from there I don't know. Hey, don't we have a probe called New Horizons investigating Pluto? Well they could have, when the time was right just orbed the essence to the space-craft and when way out there ... blow it up. That should keep the power demons busy for years trying to collect it. Gee if the writer's can be nuts, so can I. Well by the way he looked in All Hell Breaks Loose, he definitely was the devil. As I mentioned, they kept changing his appearance every episode and had no idea what they wanted him to look like. Well if the Seer was the Source, now that I can get behind more. I wouldn't have minded if it was female. Thanks, glad you liked my thought process trying to work it out. Again some other theories I came up with was what if The Source was a fallen angel, or former elder banished to the underworld and that is where he got access to the essence of evil or how it came to be. I don't know. I love your humour SC, you make me smile. But yeah that might have been a way to get rid of it for good right.  |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 28, 2017 16:16:28 GMT -5
I believe I read somewhere that they realized they had made a mistake in the way they brought The Source to the table. That might have to do with why they kept tweeking him/it. I too could have excepted the Seer as the Source. Remember they used to just name hurricanes after woman. I don't know why they changed that, what males wanted equal time? No ..no.. no, hurricanes can be deadly and totally unpredictable. For the record, I do not take that as an insult. LOL! Some guy at a party once said woman are so vain. I didn't like him and decided to set him up, and agreed with him. See he said, even she admits it. I then responded with ... woman thy name is vanity ... man thy name is ego. He never spoke to me again. I won! I looked up Kern, and unless he keeps his family at a cabin in the woods, he doesn't seem to be married with children. This tells me that he has no first hand info on writing about us females and kids. I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humor. I have had many ask me if I majored in sarcasm and cynicism in college. I said no, I'm and Aries!  |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 28, 2017 19:30:16 GMT -5
I believe I read somewhere that they realized they had made a mistake in the way they brought The Source to the table. That might have to do with why they kept tweeking him/it. I too could have excepted the Seer as the Source. Remember they used to just name hurricanes after woman. I don't know why they changed that, what males wanted equal time? No ..no.. no, hurricanes can be deadly and totally unpredictable. For the record, I do not take that as an insult. LOL! Some guy at a party once said woman are so vain. I didn't like him and decided to set him up, and agreed with him. See he said, even she admits it. I then responded with ... woman thy name is vanity ... man thy name is ego. He never spoke to me again. I won! I looked up Kern, and unless he keeps his family at a cabin in the woods, he doesn't seem to be married with children. This tells me that he has no first hand info on writing about us females and kids. I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humor. I have had many ask me if I majored in sarcasm and cynicism in college. I said no, I'm and Aries! Interesting SC, I am glad they saw the error. I do feel season 4 was extremely rushed because they feared it might be the last season. Makes sense why nothing really made sense, and everything was written like a final season. Did you feel this way watching season 4 SC? So true. Yes keep it up SC, I enjoy it. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 2, 2017 16:19:20 GMT -5
I believe I read somewhere that they realized they had made a mistake in the way they brought The Source to the table. That might have to do with why they kept tweeking him/it. I too could have excepted the Seer as the Source. Remember they used to just name hurricanes after woman. I don't know why they changed that, what males wanted equal time? No ..no.. no, hurricanes can be deadly and totally unpredictable. For the record, I do not take that as an insult. LOL! Some guy at a party once said woman are so vain. I didn't like him and decided to set him up, and agreed with him. See he said, even she admits it. I then responded with ... woman thy name is vanity ... man thy name is ego. He never spoke to me again. I won! I looked up Kern, and unless he keeps his family at a cabin in the woods, he doesn't seem to be married with children. This tells me that he has no first hand info on writing about us females and kids. I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humor. I have had many ask me if I majored in sarcasm and cynicism in college. I said no, I'm and Aries! Interesting SC, I am glad they saw the error. I do feel season 4 was extremely rushed because they feared it might be the last season. Makes sense why nothing really made sense, and everything was written like a final season. Did you feel this way watching season 4 SC? So true. Yes keep it up SC, I enjoy it. I really don't know how I felt about season 4. I was very disappointed how they handled Shannen's departure, and I thought Paige's entrance was a bit sloppy. I also pondered the presentation of Holly and Alissa's acting in the beginning. I had to wonder how much was art or personal. I have no idea how things work on sets and who gets a heads up on the next season. Could some episodes have already been scripted, thus not only disrupting the flow of the cast but throwing the writer's into a bubbling cauldron. This might have messing with a few peoples vacation. Than again, maybe not. I haven't watched that season for a spell. Now I think I'm going to. You have given me something to scrutinize. |
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Post by unakite on Mar 3, 2017 5:37:12 GMT -5
The writers were quite certain that Charmed would end with the fourth season
In fact there is a kind of closure: the sisters remain witches, but the disappearance of the Source will make their life less tragic
Leo and Piper will have the daughter seen in the future, Phobe tragically will end her love story with a demon, Paige will find a new family
I would have preferred if they found a way to maintain the character of Prue, finding ana similar-looking actress and using the usual trick of the need of a facelift
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 4, 2017 4:30:44 GMT -5
Trouble is people mightn't accept someone else playing Prue even if she looked a little like Shannen because Shannen was Prue and fans might find that hard to acknowledge.
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 4, 2017 19:13:56 GMT -5
The writers were quite certain that Charmed would end with the fourth season In fact there is a kind of closure: the sisters remain witches, but the disappearance of the Source will make their life less tragic Leo and Piper will have the daughter seen in the future, Phobe tragically will end her love story with a demon, Paige will find a new family I would have preferred if they found a way to maintain the character of Prue, finding ana similar-looking actress and using the usual trick of the need of a facelift I like where you are going with this, but as Melindahalliwell said, many Shannen fans would have been unhappy with this turn of events. Now if we could have a view into the future of the show and see where in ended up ... if bringing in a new Prue kept the unity of the sister's intact and the 4th season was the swan song ... well that would work for me. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 5, 2017 3:24:37 GMT -5
Interesting SC, I am glad they saw the error. I do feel season 4 was extremely rushed because they feared it might be the last season. Makes sense why nothing really made sense, and everything was written like a final season. Did you feel this way watching season 4 SC? So true. Yes keep it up SC, I enjoy it. I really don't know how I felt about season 4. I was very disappointed how they handled Shannen's departure, and I thought Paige's entrance was a bit sloppy. I also pondered the presentation of Holly and Alissa's acting in the beginning. I had to wonder how much was art or personal. I have no idea how things work on sets and who gets a heads up on the next season. Could some episodes have already been scripted, thus not only disrupting the flow of the cast but throwing the writer's into a bubbling cauldron. This might have messing with a few peoples vacation. Than again, maybe not. I haven't watched that season for a spell. Now I think I'm going to. You have given me something to scrutinize. Me too SC, me too. I haven't rewatched season 4 in two years, from memory I had mixed feelings. Loved the first half, and hated the second. Womb Raider had so much potential with The Seer and Phoebe's son that just went away so soon. The writers were quite certain that Charmed would end with the fourth season In fact there is a kind of closure: the sisters remain witches, but the disappearance of the Source will make their life less tragic Leo and Piper will have the daughter seen in the future, Phobe tragically will end her love story with a demon, Paige will find a new family I would have preferred if they found a way to maintain the character of Prue, finding ana similar-looking actress and using the usual trick of the need of a facelift The writers were quite certain that Charmed would end with the fourth season In fact there is a kind of closure: the sisters remain witches, but the disappearance of the Source will make their life less tragic Leo and Piper will have the daughter seen in the future, Phobe tragically will end her love story with a demon, Paige will find a new family I would have preferred if they found a way to maintain the character of Prue, finding ana similar-looking actress and using the usual trick of the need of a facelift I like where you are going with this, but as Melindahalliwell said, many Shannen fans would have been unhappy with this turn of events. Now if we could have a view into the future of the show and see where in ended up ... if bringing in a new Prue kept the unity of the sister's intact and the 4th season was the swan song ... well that would work for me. I don't know if people could accept it. Even if they turned it into a Charmed comics deal with Patience. Maybe if the show was truly set to end after 4, they might have considered it. But still, maybe it was best not to go down that road. The new actress would be compared to Shannen. But maybe she could be better, we just never know. |
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Post by craig on Mar 5, 2017 3:49:26 GMT -5
I believe I read somewhere that they realized they had made a mistake in the way they brought The Source to the table. That might have to do with why they kept tweeking him/it. I too could have excepted the Seer as the Source. Remember they used to just name hurricanes after woman. I don't know why they changed that, what males wanted equal time? No ..no.. no, hurricanes can be deadly and totally unpredictable. For the record, I do not take that as an insult. LOL! Some guy at a party once said woman are so vain. I didn't like him and decided to set him up, and agreed with him. See he said, even she admits it. I then responded with ... woman thy name is vanity ... man thy name is ego. He never spoke to me again. I won! I looked up Kern, and unless he keeps his family at a cabin in the woods, he doesn't seem to be married with children. This tells me that he has no first hand info on writing about us females and kids. I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humor. I have had many ask me if I majored in sarcasm and cynicism in college. I said no, I'm and Aries! She would of been a badass Source. I wished the Source was female, I mean they had Hecate (Queen of the Underworld) but in Greek Mythology she is the goddess of magic, so maybe they thought wrong. But I may make an unpopular opinion that Hecate as an idea of the queen of the underworld was cool, just maybe she needed a different name and better episode LOL |
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Post by sol on Mar 6, 2017 2:11:26 GMT -5
Hecate was a Titam, they'ld use her in an incisive way in Oh My Godness!
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 6, 2017 13:10:16 GMT -5
I believe I read somewhere that they realized they had made a mistake in the way they brought The Source to the table. That might have to do with why they kept tweeking him/it. I too could have excepted the Seer as the Source. Remember they used to just name hurricanes after woman. I don't know why they changed that, what males wanted equal time? No ..no.. no, hurricanes can be deadly and totally unpredictable. For the record, I do not take that as an insult. LOL! Some guy at a party once said woman are so vain. I didn't like him and decided to set him up, and agreed with him. See he said, even she admits it. I then responded with ... woman thy name is vanity ... man thy name is ego. He never spoke to me again. I won! I looked up Kern, and unless he keeps his family at a cabin in the woods, he doesn't seem to be married with children. This tells me that he has no first hand info on writing about us females and kids. I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humor. I have had many ask me if I majored in sarcasm and cynicism in college. I said no, I'm and Aries! She would of been a badass Source. I wished the Source was female, I mean they had Hecate (Queen of the Underworld) but in Greek Mythology she is the goddess of magic, so maybe they thought wrong. But I may make an unpopular opinion that Hecate as an idea of the queen of the underworld was cool, just maybe she needed a different name and better episode LOL Hecate was the Goddess of magic? First I didn't know that, but I gotta tell ya I love that you mentioned it. Sounds to me like the writers did attempt to do a little research on the subject but like me they were speed reading. Maybe Kern was snapping the whip and they panicked.  |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 6, 2017 14:46:35 GMT -5
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Post by craig on Mar 8, 2017 7:26:41 GMT -5
She would of been a badass Source. I wished the Source was female, I mean they had Hecate (Queen of the Underworld) but in Greek Mythology she is the goddess of magic, so maybe they thought wrong. But I may make an unpopular opinion that Hecate as an idea of the queen of the underworld was cool, just maybe she needed a different name and better episode LOL Hecate was the Goddess of magic? First I didn't know that, but I gotta tell ya I love that you mentioned it. Sounds to me like the writers did attempt to do a little research on the subject but like me they were speed reading. Maybe Kern was snapping the whip and they panicked. I studied Greek Mythology as a subject in high school, so I guess the way Charmed handled it really hit me hard. So you can see why I didn't like any of those episodes. Remember reading a Charmed novel that handled the concept much better. Most likely were in a rush. Although to think the demons in Wedding From Hell looked more scary than the actual leader of the underworld with The Source. LOL |
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 8, 2017 12:50:23 GMT -5
Hecate was the Goddess of magic? First I didn't know that, but I gotta tell ya I love that you mentioned it. Sounds to me like the writers did attempt to do a little research on the subject but like me they were speed reading. Maybe Kern was snapping the whip and they panicked. I studied Greek Mythology as a subject in high school, so I guess the way Charmed handled it really hit me hard. So you can see why I didn't like any of those episodes. Remember reading a Charmed novel that handled the concept much better. Most likely were in a rush. Although to think the demons in Wedding From Hell looked more scary than the actual leader of the underworld with The Source. LOL I have always loved Greek Mythology, though what I know about it is most likely contaminated by Holly-rock films. So speaking intelligently is out of the question. I will say this ... since it is myth and there are volumes upon volumes out there to examine, it would have been nice if they put a little more effort into it. Lets see, what do they make an hour? As for scary you are so right, the lesser evils were far more terrifying than the higher ups. I just finished re-watching "Be Careful What You Witch For", and the Council of Evil members looked more like wise grand-fathers. In fact, though this could have been a misconception on my part, I thought one of them was wearing glasses. I thought, now where did he get those ... Walmart?  |
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