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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Mar 22, 2009 14:33:28 GMT -5
Has anyone ever noticed that the sisters dont mention Prue all that much after her death. They only really mention her in season four but after that they really dont. And in Forever Charmed it shows all the pictures of the kids and Leo, Grams, Patty and Victor, and then Paige Piper and Phoebe on the wall. But theres not a single picture of Prue. It makes me mad that after her death she is barely mentioned. Its almost as if they act like she was never part of the family.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 22, 2009 17:28:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately, in this case, you have to look at it from a TELEVISION SHOW point of view and not from Charmed's. It was because of Shannen that they didn't show pictures, bring her back, or really talk about her. Between Kern, Alyssa and whatever else, I'm sure they didn't want to bring her up. And it's incredibly sad and immature of them to act that way.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 22, 2009 19:17:47 GMT -5
Due to the way her sisters felt about her, I like to think that there was plenty of thoughts of Prue and mentions of Prue off-screen where we didn't get to see it. I know how much I think of my mom, who's been gone for five years now, even if I don't actually speak of her every day, even when I'm with my family. But I know she's never that far from any of our thoughts, so I know Prue wouldn't be far from her sisters' either.
I like to think that they turned Prue's darkroom into their own special shrine for her, the way we turned Mom's sewing room into hers. All of Prue's photographs, all of her things, everything of her that they want to keep, to remember, that's where they are. That's why there's no pictures of Prue on the !@#$%^&^%$#@! wall--Piper prefers to keep them in private, where she can remember and honor her big sister and best friend alone.
Although I like to think that Piper brings her children down there, to tell them all about their aunt. And I like to think that Prue's ghost appears there, so she can talk with her nephews Wyatt and Chris and especially her niece, Prudence Melinda, who Piper named after her.
Thanks to the way Shannen was fired, I don't blame her for not allowing Prue's image to be shown; had it been, I'm sure she would've been mentioned more.
Although then again, I wonder even if Shannen had given permission, if it would've still been that way--the way Kern totally forgot all the stuff from the earlier seasons, I think he wanted us to totally forget that *HIS* Power of Three, the second set, wasn't the ONLY set.
I'm glad there's fans who know better.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 22, 2009 21:30:30 GMT -5
Es, that was beautiful. Them turning Prue's dark room into a shrine and Piper taking her kids there and telling them about her and maybe Prue talking with the kids.
Although, I think a part of my wanted to tear up because YOU said it about Piper and her kids and I know how you feel about them.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 22, 2009 21:47:02 GMT -5
 Thanks, Assassin! I can say that right back at you, since I know you feel towards Prue the way I feel towards Chris! It's surprising to see you here. But despite the shrew that Kern turned Piper into, I'm sure she's the one who would never forget her big sister and best friend. I can see self-centered PhoeME forgetting her after awhile (since the only one who PhoeME remembers is PhoeME), and, of course, Paige never knew her at all, but Piper? No, never. She would remember and honor Prue always, so I can see her keeping the shrine and bringing her kids down there. IF "Forever Charmed" is real (which, of course, I don't think it is), THAT's the future for the Halliwell-Wyatts that I like thinking of. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 22, 2009 23:52:27 GMT -5
I'm not sure what gave you that impression. I love Prue. She's one of my favorite characters.  I hate epilogues. *sighs* |
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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Mar 23, 2009 11:31:50 GMT -5
Assassin Witch, what you said about Kern, Alyssa, Shannen, and whoever else not wanting to bring her up makes sense. Its just really sad that they decided to act that way, they should have thought of the fans feelings towards that more than there own feelings.
And Es I really like the way you thought of her darkroom being turned into a shrine where Piper could take her kids to meet and connect with her aunt. Thats truly amazing!
I also think that Piper would be the one to never forget Prue. She was the sister that took Prue's death the hardest. Prue was her best friend. I would like to believe that Piper would do things in memory of her long lost sister.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 23, 2009 12:06:29 GMT -5
Holly's friendship with Shannen is one of the reasons why the scene in HHNF when Piper screams at Prue's grave, is one of my favorites.
I felt that CA and HHNF showed Holly/Shannen and Piper/Prue wonderfully because it was all down to BFFs. (I won't get into Alyssa here..)
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 23, 2009 12:43:09 GMT -5
Assassin Witch, what you said about Kern, Alyssa, Shannen, and whoever else not wanting to bring her up makes sense. Its just really sad that they decided to act that way, they should have thought of the fans feelings towards that more than there own feelings. You and Assassin are *so* right about that. That's the problem when people mess up the actors for the characters. Alyssa never even let Phoebe mourn Prue at all because she was obviously so ecstatic that it was SHE who was the star now with HER name and picture shown first in the credits, not Shannen's (didn't Holly make a liar out of her??). I like to think that Phoebe still missed her big sister, but then with all the problems they had, I can also see why they wouldn't. I can see her being the one to tell Piper that enough time had passed so why don't we break down that shrine and use that room for something else and Piper telling her, "NO WAY!" We've had that happen with Mom's sewing room, especially now that Dad has a new girlfriend. But fortunately Debbie understands how most of us kids and all of the grandkids feel about Mom/their Granny Jan and Mom's sewing room is still her shrine. Debbie has told me that she'll never step in that room because she'd feel disrespectful; it's part of the reason why I can like her. And I can see Paige doing the same thing for the same reason. Thank you. As I've said, it's due to what we did with Mom's sewing room, a room that SO means Mom, the way that the darkroom would SO mean Prue, that gave me the idea. It's funny how losing Mom has made it easier for me to understand what the sisters went through when they lost Patty and then Grams and then Prue. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 23, 2009 12:52:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure what gave you that impression. I love Prue. She's one of my favorite characters. OOPS! My bad! Happens when you get over 50--they say the second thing to go is your memory and I really truly do NOT remember the first! Here all this time I thought that was the coolest part of our friendship is that you couldn't stand Prue and I couldn't stand Chris but we're still friends. Guess not Most of the time I love them when they tie up all the loose ends. But when they must make the loose ends looser AND don't make any sort of sense with the rest of the series (the reason I believe that it's Piper's delusion as SHE dies), then, yes, I hate them, too. And ESPECIALLY when they don't give you ANY chance of hoping for a spin-off or a TV movie, yes, I also hate that, too. (Does that count as double-posting? If so, I'm sorry. It's just easier to reply to two different people writing two different things this way.) |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Mar 23, 2009 16:25:09 GMT -5
Don't worry. I know why you double posted, and I don't worry about you actually spamming.  Our view on Piper can be our thing. Between Charmed and Harry Potter.... *sighs* Those epilogues that close everything that 'prevent' anyone from continuing is stupid. I mean, I understand why Jo did it for HP; she didn't want anyone to continue, but umm.. HP spoilers for Book7: when you marry everyone off and have all the kids (and at least she named them all), it's silly. Especially since her epilogue was written 10 years ago, and fit with the first book. But the series progressed. It got darker. Characters changed. And she didn't change her ending. And, okay, I may hate RHr and HG, but whatever..."loose ends looser" *sighs* ugh. *nods* |
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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Mar 23, 2009 17:00:43 GMT -5
I like to think that Phoebe still missed her big sister, but then with all the problems they had, I can also see why they wouldn't. I can see her being the one to tell Piper that enough time had passed so why don't we break down that shrine and use that room for something else and Piper telling her, "NO WAY!" I would also like to think that Phoebe misses Prue. I think that on some level she does. After all the problems that the two went through I still imagine that some part of her misses her i mean after all she is her sister so some part of her must miss her. They just didnt show Phoebe missing Prue very well in the show. Plus, since Alyssa and Shannen supposedly really had issues it must of been really hard for Alyssa to play the role of Phoebe missing Prue, when after all the whole reason Shannen left is rumored to be because of her. I still think that even if that was the case, that Alyssa should have played the role of a mourning sister better. It's funny how losing Mom has made it easier for me to understand what the sisters went through when they lost Patty and then Grams and then Prue. I can imagine how losing a mom would've helped you understand what the sisters went through. I haven't really lost anyone yet so I don't understand what the sisters went through at the same level you do. It seems really hard though. I hate epilogues. *sighs* I'm with you Assassin Witch I hate epilogues! I don't like it either when they marry the characters off and the characters have children. I don't like it in Forever Charmed where they show all the kids and Phoebe and Coop getting married. It just makes everything seem so rushed. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 23, 2009 18:41:25 GMT -5
Don't worry. I know why you double posted, and I don't worry about you actually spamming. Ah! So the double-posting is to just prevent SPAMMING! Gotcha! No, I don't think you have to worry *too* much about me doing that, since true spamming is what I can't stand. Not really--you feel towards Piper the same way as you feel towards Chris (which is the reason why I think you DO feel towards Piper that way ) and I liked us both liking someone that the other couldn't stand! And I *do* like Piper--BEFORE her brat of a son totally changed her! *mutters* Still think Leo's dad's name should've been Bradley instead of Christopher, so Chris would've been named after the one he was most like! Brad the Brat! That would've been SOOO perfect! I haven't read Book 7 yet; I haven't even read Book 6 (I never read a book until after I see a movie), but I've heard that they do the same thing. Really? They do that THERE, too?? *huge heavy sigh* |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 23, 2009 18:48:52 GMT -5
I like to think that Phoebe still missed her big sister, but then with all the problems they had, I can also see why they wouldn't. I can see her being the one to tell Piper that enough time had passed so why don't we break down that shrine and use that room for something else and Piper telling her, "NO WAY!" I would also like to think that Phoebe misses Prue. I think that on some level she does. After all the problems that the two went through I still imagine that some part of her misses her i mean after all she is her sister so some part of her must miss her. They just didnt show Phoebe missing Prue very well in the show. Plus, since Alyssa and Shannen supposedly really had issues it must of been really hard for Alyssa to play the role of Phoebe missing Prue, when after all the whole reason Shannen left is rumored to be because of her. I still think that even if that was the case, that Alyssa should have played the role of a mourning sister better. Well, you're probably right that Alyssa is the reason why Shannen is gone, but not the reason why Shannen left, since she didn't leave; she was fired. But I'm sure that Alyssa had something to do with that--she was too gleeful not to be. And that--Alyssa not being able to leave Alyssa behind and play Phoebe as PHOEBE, not Alyssa--was one of the things that Shannen complained about that probably got her fired. And seeing how Alyssa played Phoebe mourning definitely proves Shannne's point. Well, hopefully it's something you don't have to go through any time soon! I'm 55 and had my mom for almost 51 years (I turned 51 a few months after her death). I can't imagine what it would've been like if I'd lost her when I was 8, like Prue did, or even when I was 28 like when Prue lost Grams or my 20's like when Piper and Phoebe lost Prue. But I know the pain of having her gone and I know how you might stop talking about her, but you never stop thinking about her or missing her. And I'm sure that's the way it was for Prue re: Patty and Grams, and Piper re: Prue. Definitely. The idea that everyone has three kids and everyone lives happily ever after and that Leo is forever happy as Piper's little errand boy and that PHOEBE of all people actually stays married to the same person?? Even Piper having a daughter when we saw no sign of that in ChrisCross. All of this is what PIPER would want for her family. No wonder I'm certain that "Forever Charmed" is really just her delusion as she dies after the explosion in "Kill Billie, Vol 2." I SOOO want a spin-off where she wakes up and finds out that all of that was just a dream! |
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Post by Piper Halliwell on Mar 24, 2009 9:51:24 GMT -5
Okay no quotes because there will be too many I completely agree with the whole dark room thing, I always wondered what happened to it because after Prue died it was just never shown but the whole shrine thing sounds very understandable and I defiantly think Piper would have done it for Prue. I really am annoyed that Piper never mentioned her because there was no way she just forgot about her. It was Prue and Phoebe that had the crappy relationship in the first place not Prue and Piper. But I agree with Es she would have been in her thoughts. So stupid how a show can get screwed because of the people involved. Awwh and Prue talking to Pipers kids I can so imagine that even though I am the person who thinks Pipers daughter is called Melinda Prudence. Also maybe Prue would have talked to Paige, there were little things in the show where she was curious about her. Even with the shrine thing it does annoy me that there was no picture of Prue on the wall. *sigh* Assassin I completely agree about HHNF that was really the main episode for Piper/Hollys grief about loosing Prue/Shannen and although Phoebe did *try* and show some emotion about it you could just tell she was jumping up and down inside. It's so nice what you did with your mothers sewing room Es, we didn't really do anything like that for my dad except for keeping his two sheds because he was a builder. Oh and I guess we have all his books still but nothing like that. I couldn't imagine my mum with another man. I suppose I would have to get used to it if it happened. And on Harry Potter, I never read the books. Well I tried but got bored after the first page so stopped reading and waited for the films but from what my friends have said, they didn't really like the ending because it just gave them more questions about how the couples got together. On the forever charmed thing Es, I had never thought of that before but I guess it could make sense but if it was Pipers dream she would have had pictures of Prue on the damn wall!!  I completely understand how it could've helped you understand, I lost my dad but to be honest I don't think it's the same, loosing someone when you are eight is tough. My dad was ill from when I was eight until I was ten when he died and now three years later I find it really hard to remember him. With my mum I would not cope as well partly because I am older but also I think girls tend to be closer to their mothers. But in terms of them thinking about them all the time I can understand that most definately. And I'm not saying it's easier to loose someone when you are younger but in my case it was, the rest of my family reacted differently than I did and I think that was because they had known my dad for longer but also at the time I don't think I really understood everything enough to comprehend what was happening at the time. *phew* Only one quote, I hope all of that made some sense! |
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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Mar 24, 2009 10:28:33 GMT -5
I never really thought of that! It's so true, everything that happened in the end is what Piper hoped and wished for!! Having Piper wake up and realize that what happened was just a dream, would make me much happier! Even though Paige and Phoebe would be dead, I guess I would be okay with it because at least Charmed had a better ending then the happy happy ending that they all get. Which as everyone should know is just crap because besides Forever Charmed which episode really has a happy ending???
Yeah, I understand what yer saying. Losing someone is hard enough but it lose someone at a young age seems a whole lot worse. I couldnt imagine growing up without a mom like Prue, Piper, and Phoebe did. And I definatly cant imagine losing my sister at the age they did. Living the rest of my life with out my sister, seems horrible. I don't think I could do it.
I'm really sorry for yer loss! I can understand in yer case how this happening when you where eight might have been easier for you just because when you put it like that it almost seems easier (in a way) to lose someone when you haven't know the person for that long compared to knowing the person for such a long time. Also, since you where eight it was probably really tough for you to understand what happened.
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Post by Piper Halliwell on Mar 24, 2009 10:40:52 GMT -5
I never really thought of that! It's so true, everything that happened in the end is what Piper hoped and wished for!! Having Piper wake up and realize that what happened was just a dream, would make me much happier! Even though Paige and Phoebe would be dead, I guess I would be okay with it because at least Charmed had a better ending then the happy happy ending that they all get. Which as everyone should know is just crap because besides Forever Charmed which episode really has a happy ending??? Yes completely agree Charmed was never meant to be a fairytale and even though some people like the ending because it was happy I feel it wouldn't have ended that way. Yes I could not imagine loosing my older brother, loosing anyone is hard so I think if there had not been all the drama off set there would have been more mentions of Prue. Aww thanks. I don't think it really has hit me yet, probably the mile stones in my life like important birthdays. It will probably hit me when I get married and my dad isn't there to walk me to the isle. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 24, 2009 21:54:16 GMT -5
I never really thought of that! It's so true, everything that happened in the end is what Piper hoped and wished for!! Having Piper wake up and realize that what happened was just a dream, would make me much happier! Even though Paige and Phoebe would be dead, I guess I would be okay with it because at least Charmed had a better ending then the happy happy ending that they all get. Which as everyone should know is just crap because besides Forever Charmed which episode really has a happy ending??? Yes completely agree Charmed was never meant to be a fairytale and even though some people like the ending because it was happy I feel it wouldn't have ended that way. Glad you agree. I agree that it should be happy, but not syrupy-sweet happy! I mean Piper says that they'd had their sorrows. Did she mean Patty and Penny and Prue or other losses, and if so why didn't we see what those were? IF this is real (and as I've pointed out, I don't think it is) personally I think those losses are the deaths of Phoebe and Paige, since unlike Piper, we only see them when they were still young, when their kids were still VERY young. Oh, I LOVE the idea of Piper stuck with having to raise NINE magical kids! No wonder she and Leo are grey! I would much rather have just seen them 10 years in the future (around the age of those kids that we saw) and still leave the door open for a sequel. Well, Piper was the one who said it--with everything going on, they didn't really have tme to mourn, while Phoebe was right when they said they had the rest of their lives, and I'm sure that at least Piper always did that. I'm also very sorry for your loss. I wonder if the reason why you feel this way is because he was sick for so long that deep inside you might have already been expecting him to go. I'm wondering if that's what it was like for the sisters with Grams--she'd already been in the hospital; they knew she had a heart problem, so letting her go didn't seem as tough on them as letting Patty or Prue go, when they both died so suddenly. With my mom, we found out she had cancer just a couple months before she died, and even so they gave her five years rather than two months. I think, that, the fact that it was so unexpected is part of what makes it hurt so much. But I'm sure that you're right that when you'll feel it the most is during those special moments when your dad should be there...but isn't, the way Piper, who didn't know her mom that well, still missed her so much during her wedding and was so happy when Patty was able to be corporeal for it. |
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Post by Piper Halliwell on Mar 25, 2009 6:44:01 GMT -5
I'm also very sorry for your loss. I wonder if the reason why you feel this way is because he was sick for so long that deep inside you might have already been expecting him to go. I'm wondering if that's what it was like for the sisters with Grams--she'd already been in the hospital; they knew she had a heart problem, so letting her go didn't seem as tough on them as letting Patty or Prue go, when they both died so suddenly. With my mom, we found out she had cancer just a couple months before she died, and even so they gave her five years rather than two months. I think, that, the fact that it was so unexpected is part of what makes it hurt so much. But I'm sure that you're right that when you'll feel it the most is during those special moments when your dad should be there...but isn't, the way Piper, who didn't know her mom that well, still missed her so much during her wedding and was so happy when Patty was able to be corporeal for it. Well at first he was going to make it but then they found the cancer and after the second round of cemo we all knew but still I think that I was just to young to really understand so I didn't really think he would die. I'm sorry about your mother cancer is horrible three people in my family have had it, yes the unexpected. Loosing anyone whether you knew it was going to happen or not is tough but I guess if you have time to say goodbye....Then you come to terms with it? I wish my dad was able to be corporeal for it. My brother is getting married in July so i'm expecting I will have to be there for her and my brother because they will both be sad. But happy at the same time. |
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Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Mar 25, 2009 9:58:02 GMT -5
Having to raise nine magical kids on her own, ooh I wonder what Piper would of done if we got to see that happen in the show! I would also rather have seen them 10 years in the future and see what the future generation of Halliwells is like. To see what there powers are like and what it's like for them to grow up with their magical gifts! All of those nine kids combined fighting evil though, I can imagine that they're all going to be pretty powerful. That would have been really interesting to see!
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Thanks, Assassin! I can say that right back at you, since I know you feel towards Prue the way I feel towards Chris! It's surprising to see you here.
