Don't Trust Charmed Wikia

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Since WHEN did Prue's death weaken Piper and Phoebe's powers?

It turned Piper and Phoebe into emotional  basket cases, yes, but weaken their powers?  Never happened.  These people need to get their facts straight.

For years, her sisters thought that she was living happily in the afterlife with their mother and grandmother, though they were eventually told that Prue had been reincarnated. However, Prue had actually disappeared and Patty gave Cole Turner the task of finding her.[3] Cole eventually discovered that Prue had inhabited the body of a comatose witch, and taken the identity of Patience. As Patience, Prue lived in Salem, Massachusetts and runs "Salem Witch House", a tourist attraction.

Though Prue initially chose to keep her distance from her sisters out of fear of the cataclysmic consequences, she eventually decided to return to San Francisco when her youngest sister, Paige Matthews, arrived in search of a candidate for Magic School who worked at "Salem Witch House", and was happily reunited with Piper and Phoebe.

Ultimately, after vanquishing the Darklighter Rennek and absorbing the Empyreal Sword and the Grimoire into herself, she became the caretaker of the connection between Earth to the Upper Regions and to the Underworld.

Imagine someone who's never seen the comics, or even knows they exist, reading this on Prue's page.  They will be saying "WTF!?  When did that happen??"  Since the Charmed Wikia makes no distinction between the show and the comics, one can be forgiven for thinking that they somehow missed a major Charmed story line.

This is why the comics need to be treated as a separate entity.   The quoted stuff about what happened to Prue after she died belongs on Storygirl's Wikia, not the Charmed Wikia.

We use images from the show instead of the comics because that is how the characters are best known. Not everyone reads the comics and pages need to be recognizable for casual visiters. Charmdozo (talk) 08:40, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

If that's the case, CharmedBozo, they why are you tossing stuff from the comics in with the show?  You yourself just said that not everyone reads the comics.  Won't this confuse the casual visitors?  You can't have it both ways, CharmedBozo.

Here's a couple of other pages that need SERIOUS work. Have at it, Tim!

charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Rex_Buckland
charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Hannah_Webster

Oh God, where do I begin!?

First of all, what's all this rubbish about Rex and Hannah being vanquished.  The show never made such a claim.  Yes, they vanished in flames, but one could easily assume that they were recalled by the Source (and that is how I've interpreted those events, because the show never did).  Now, if the sisters had vanquished them, then, yes, I'd say they were vanquished, but that didn't happen (besides, being vanquished hasn't stopped Wyle E. Coyote, uh, I mean Barbus, from coming back about five million times).

And some suggest that they should be called "Fake Rex and Hannah" because of the two people they replaced.  Once again, the show does not say whether or not Rex Buckland and Hannah Webster were their actual names or not.  Remember, on the show, many times when R&H were talking, in private with no one else present, they referred to each other as "Rex" and "Hannah".  If those were not their real names, then why would they do that?

The position I took is that Rex Buckland and Hannah Webster are their birth names.  The two humans they replaced had the same names as them (which is why said humans were replaced). 

Since the show never revealed that Rex and Hannah had any other names, I've chosen to interpret it this way.   Unlike Brad Kern, I paid attention to continuity.

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Sept 25, 2015 11:11:20 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Imagine someone who's never seen the comics, or even knows they exist, reading this on Prue's page.  They will be saying "WTF!?  When did that happen??"  Since the Charmed Wikia makes no distinction between the show and the comics, one can be forgiven for thinking that they somehow missed a major Charmed story line.

This is why the comics need to be treated as a separate entity.   The quoted stuff about what happened to Prue after she died belongs on Storygirl's Wikia, not the Charmed Wikia.

This, right here, is the biggest problem with treating the comics as equivalent to the TV show--They aren't. The TV show is widely-accessible, familiar, and well-known amongst people. The comics, on the other hand, are pretty much unknown to all but a few hardcore fans. They're a tiny niche, at best.

That's just how it is with all comic-based continuations and adaptations of TV shows. The very medium, itself, just isn't anywhere near as accessible or mainstream as television, so the two can never be treated as equivalent. Even the Buffy and Angel comics have this issue. Even though Whedon treats them as canon, he's also said that he'll retcon them if he ever makes a new spinoff or movie. Despite being canon, the Buffy comics still only have a fraction of the audience and exposure as the TV show, so it would be unrealistic to expect any new TV show or movie to follow them.

Sept 25, 2015 11:11:20 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Oh God, where do I begin!?

First of all, what's all this rubbish about Rex and Hannah being vanquished.  The show never made such a claim.  Yes, they vanished in flames, but one could easily assume that they were recalled by the Source (and that is how I've interpreted those events, because the show never did).  Now, if the sisters had vanquished them, then, yes, I'd say they were vanquished, but that didn't happen (besides, being vanquished hasn't stopped Wyle E. Coyote, uh, I mean Barbus, from coming back about five million times).

And some suggest that they should be called "Fake Rex and Hannah" because of the two people they replaced.  Once again, the show does not say whether or not Rex Buckland and Hannah Webster were their actual names or not.  Remember, on the show, many times when R&H were talking, in private with no one else present, they referred to each other as "Rex" and "Hannah".  If those were not their real names, then why would they do that?

The position I took is that Rex Buckland and Hannah Webster are their birth names.  The two humans they replaced had the same names as them (which is why said humans were replaced). 

Since the show never revealed that Rex and Hannah had any other names, I've chosen to interpret it this way.   Unlike Brad Kern, I paid attention to continuity.

Sounds like, yet again, Charmed Wiki mistook their own fanon interpretation for hard canon. They seem to have a problem with that. Here's another one I found on an old version of Prue's page:

Time was rewound by Tempus but only on the surface with the Underworld being unaffected. This meant that Phoebe was removed from the surface timeline. With no Phoebe to find the spell when Prue, Piper and Grifiths returned home Shax was able to storm in and attack all three. Leo then arrived too late too heal everyone and had to choose between the innocent, his sister in law and his wife. Needless to say, he chose Piper.

NOWHERE was this explicitly stated in the show. Yes, a few lines of dialog from Piper in 4x01 implied it, but implying something is NOT the same thing as explicitly stating it. Remember that Piper was completely broken, distraught, and not in a clear state-of-mind when she told Leo "You healed the wrong sister! You saved me because I'm your damn wife, and you should've saved her because she was the best!" To say that her interpretation of the situation was probably not very accurate would be an understatement.

Methinks someone found one of those fan-made "Prue's Death" videos on YouTube (usually made by combining the beginning and ending scenes from 3x22 with the "I can't heal the dead" dialog from 2x22) and mistook as a real scene from the show.

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This, right here, is the biggest problem with treating the comics as equivalent to the TV show--They aren't. The TV show is widely-accessible, familiar, and well-known amongst people. The comics, on the other hand, are pretty much unknown to all but a few hardcore fans. They're a tiny niche, at best.

Yes, the comics are fanon, not canon. 

Sorry, CharmedBozo, that's how the cookie crumbles.  You should delete all that comic stuff and just direct people, who are curious about the comics, to Storygirl's Wikia.

That's just how it is with all comic-based continuations and adaptations of TV shows. The very medium, itself, just isn't anywhere near as accessible or mainstream as television, so the two can never be treated as equivalent. Even the Buffy and Angel comics have this issue. Even though Whedon treats them as canon, he's also said that he'll retcon them if he ever makes a new spinoff or movie. Despite being canon, the Buffy comics still only have a fraction of the audience and exposure as the TV show, so it would be unrealistic to expect any new TV show or movie to follow them.

And Whedon's word on this is law, since he owns Buffy and Angel.  If he's willing to discard a comic that is canon, then the same would happen to Charmed. 

Sounds like, yet again, Charmed Wiki mistook their own fanon interpretation for hard canon.

Exactly, since the show never specifically addressed what happened to Rex and Hannah after Wicca Envy, it was easy for me to come in and say "Here's what happened to them next."   Had the sisters vanquished them, then it would have been much harder for me to bring them back, not impossible, mind you, but harder.

NOWHERE was this explicitly stated in the show. Yes, a few lines of dialog from Piper in 4x01 implied it, but implying something is NOT the same thing as explicitly stating it. Remember that Piper was completely broken, distraught, and not in a clear state-of-mind when she told Leo "You healed the wrong sister! You saved me because I'm your damn wife, and you should've saved her because she was the best!" To say that her interpretation of the situation was probably not very accurate would be an understatement.

Piper was hardly a reliable witness here.  We don't know what happened when Leo, Phoebe, and Cole got back to the Manor.  Shannen's firing really threw a monkey wrench into things, it seems.

Methinks someone found one of those fan-made "Prue's Death" videos on YouTube (usually made by combining the beginning and ending scenes from 3x22 with the "I can't heal the dead" dialog from 2x22) and mistook as a real scene from the show.

If people can mistake these videos for the "second half" of All Hell Breaks Loose (and no such episode exists), then I can see this happening. 

Critical Research Failure here on the part of Charmed Wikia.  Not only are they rude and arrogant, they're too damned lazy to check up on the facts, it seems.  Why.  Is real research too much like work?

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Sept 25, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Sorry, CharmedBozo, that's how the cookie crumbles.  You should delete all that comic stuff and just direct people, who are curious about the comics, to Storygirl's Wikia.

In an ideal world, the two Wikias would be affiliates, with Charmed Wikia covering the show and Storygirl's site covering the comics.

Sept 25, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

And Whedon's word on this is law, since he owns Buffy and Angel.  If he's willing to discard a comic that is canon, then the same would happen to Charmed.

It's inevitable that it would happen to the Charmed comics if a new show or movie was ever made. Remember that "consistent with the show" does NOT equal canon. It's fanon, something that COULD be true for the canon universe but isn't officially declared as so. In that regard, the comics are no different than fanseries like Destined and the R&H Chronicles.

Sept 25, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Exactly, since the show never specifically addressed what happened to Rex and Hannah after Wicca Envy, it was easy for me to come in and say "Here's what happened to them next."   Had the sisters vanquished them, then it would have been much harder for me to bring them back, not impossible, mind you, but harder.

Yup, your version of Rex & Hannah's ending is no more or less canon than theirs. The show left it up in the air, so there's no one right answer. An objective, general Wiki needs to reflect this. Just the facts, and nothing more.

Sept 25, 2015 17:28:06 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Piper was hardly a reliable witness here.  We don't know what happened when Leo, Phoebe, and Cole got back to the Manor.  Shannen's firing really threw a monkey wrench into things, it seems.

Well, remember that 3x22 wasn't intended to end with Prue's death. Everyone would've been alive and back to normal in 4x01 had Shannen not been fired. They obviously had to rewrite the entire premiere at the last minute, and because of this, I don't think they ever had an explanation for how Phoebe, Cole, and Leo got out of the Underworld. They just wanted us to assume that they got back, found Prue dead, and that was that.

In other words, there is no canon interpretation for what happened between 3x22 and 4x01 other than "Prue died." Anything more than that is fanon and doesn't belong in a Wiki.

Here's another atrocious example of fanon being passed off as canon: Henry Jr's page from January 2010.

What's wrong with this?

1. They assume his last name is "Mitchell" when no last name was ever given for him. Since he's named after his father, it likely is, but we still don't know one way or the other.

2. They say he's the oldest of Paige's brats, when there's absolutely NO evidence, either way. If anything, he looked younger than them in the flash-forward, and that's, in fact, how the comics ended up interpreting him.

3. They assume he was born "a year or two after his parents' marriage." Again, absolutely NO evidence for this in canon.

4. They assume that he'll be a witchlighter, even though we never saw the brat use ONE power in all of the 2 seconds he was onscreen. He could be adopted and 100% mortal for all we know.

I picked an older version of Henry Jr's page for a reason. Charmed Wiki was spouting non-factual rubbish about the Brood of Brats LONG before the comics came out.

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In an ideal world, the two Wikias would be affiliates, with Charmed Wikia covering the show and Storygirl's site covering the comics.

And my Wikia covering the Rex and Hannah Chronicles.  In fact, I have two sister Wikia sites linked to mine, both belong to Storygirl.  The comics one, and her Fan Fiction one.

Yup, your version of Rex & Hannah's ending is no more or less canon than theirs. The show left it up in the air, so there's no one right answer. An objective, general Wiki needs to reflect this. Just the facts, and nothing more.

Rex and Hannah's entries should end with something like "Their subsequent fate is unknown."  Since the show left it up in the air, a show based Wikia should too.

What's wrong with this?

1. They assume his last name is "Mitchell" when no last name was ever given for him. Since he's named after his father, it likely is, but we still don't know one way or the other.

2. They say he's the oldest of Paige's brats, when there's absolutely NO evidence, either way. If anything, he looked younger than them in the flash-forward, and that's, in fact, how the comics ended up interpreting him.

3. They assume he was born "a year or two after his parents' marriage." Again, absolutely NO evidence for this in canon.

4. They assume that he'll be a witchlighter, even though we never saw the brat use ONE power in all of the 2 seconds he was onscreen. He could be adopted and 100% mortal for all we know.

I picked an older version of Henry Jr's page for a reason. Charmed Wiki was spouting non-factual rubbish about the Brood of Brats LONG before the comics came out.

So they're passing up this supposition as fact.  As you said, not one of these "facts" was ever stated on the show.  And since the show is the only thing that counts, it's not a fact. They can't cite the comics here, because, as you pointed out, they were spouting this rubbish before the comics even started. 

All that should be deleted because the show said nothing of the sort. 

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Sept 25, 2015 23:30:17 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

So they're passing up this supposition as fact.  As you said, not one of these "facts" was ever stated on the show.  And since the show is the only thing that counts, it's not a fact. They can't cite the comics here, because, as you pointed out, they were spouting this rubbish before the comics even started. 

All that should be deleted because the show said nothing of the sort. 

Yeah, pretty much. There are only TWO canon bits of information on that entire Henry Jr. page--He is the son of Paige and Henry, and he has two sisters who are twins. That's it. We know zilch about how old he is, what powers he may (or may not) have, or if he is even their biological child. Even his last name being "Mitchell" isn't an 100% sure thing.

This, of course, is the #1 reason why none of the Brood of Brats ever warranted their own pages. There just isn't enough canon information about them out there, and you can't use fanon assumptions as a substitute for hard canon.

Even more hilarious than the pre-comic Henry Jr. page is the pre-comic Mystery Girl page:

Prudence Melinda Halliwell, more commonly known as Melinda, is the third child and only daughter of Piper Halliwell and Leo Wyatt, and the younger sister of Wyatt and Chris. She is believed to have been born in late 2008, when her second brother Chris is aged three. She was seen in the final episode of Charmed being sent off to school with Wyatt and Chris. ("Forever Charmed").

Nope, there is not a single piece of canon information here.

1. The girl has NO name, let alone a full first, middle, and last name.

2. We don't know if she's Piper and Leo's kid. Yes, it can be inferred from the show, but it was never explicitly stated.

3. She has no established age or date of birth. We don't even know who she IS to begin with! (And, BTW, Chris would've been 4 in late 2008, not 3. Learn to do math.)

Melinda was never shown in her adult self, not even in the dark future of Chris-Crossed. This may be due to the fact that Piper made different choises in life in this time; choises that prevented her from having a daughter. Another possibility is that Chris was not very close to his sister, therefore you do not see her in this episode. However, the most likely reason is that the demons who vanquished the charmed ones in this time killed her at the same time.

LOL at the misspelling of "choices."

Again, not a single piece of canon information here. We know absolutely NOTHING about Mystery Girl in regards to the "Chris-Crossed" future, and she has zero relevance to it, anyways.

In "Morality Bites", a version of Melinda is born much earlier than in the standard future and is Piper and Leo's only child, as they are divorced. In the wake of Nathaniel Pratt's witch hunt taking over this time, her parents have also forbidden her from using her powers, in order to protect her from the witch hunts. In this future, her name is Melinda Wyatt, taking her father's surname.

Nope, nope, nope.

1. "Morality Bites" Melinda was more than likely an alternate version of Wyatt instead of of Mystery Girl. She was both Piper and Leo's firstborn and appeared to be around the same age that Wyatt would've been in 2009. Of course, this is conjecture, too, but it makes more sense than connecting her to Mystery Girl. This character should be on a separate page of her own.

2. And, WHERE in the episode did we learn that her last name was "Wyatt"?!?

There had been no evidence presented of Melinda as ever having been born in the unchanged future. In fact, Chris's testimony that Leo was "never there" for him in that future hints at his work as an Elder taking away from his family life, making it even less likely that she exists.

Well, DUH, you think? There's zero evidence, period, that Wyatt and Chris have ever had a sister to begin with.

Though it remains unclear what powers Melinda will inherit, it is clear that she will not have whitelighter powers as she was conceived after Leo was made mortal. Because of this, she will only inherit her powers from Piper's side of the family. Although she will thus be somewhat less powerful than her brothers, it is presumed that she will be considerably more powerful than the average witch due to her Charmed ancestry. Her specific powers aren't known, but it is likely she inherits her mother's power of molecular immobilization since Chris inherited Telekinesis. It is also possible that she will likely develop Molecular Manipulation, allowing her to manipulate molecules completely.

Nope, none of this is canon. NEXT!

Both the Official Charmed Companion Book "The Book of Three, Vol. 2" and the official Charmed Magazine have confirmed that Piper and Leo will have a third child, a daughter, and that she will be named Melinda. She was shown only in a short scene, being sent off to school with Wyatt and Chris, in one of the flash forward sequences at the very end of "Forever Charmed", confirming that this obviously came to pass.

Death of the Author. If it's not in the actual canon source material (aka. the SHOW), then it's NOT canon! What Kern intended means JACK.

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Nope, there is not a single piece of canon information here.

1. The girl has NO name, let alone a full first, middle, and last name.

2. We don't know if she's Piper and Leo's kid. Yes, it can be inferred from the show, but it was never explicitly stated.

3. She has no established age or date of birth. We don't even know who she IS to begin with! (And, BTW, Chris would've been 4 in late 2008, not 3. Learn to do math.)

What are they smoking at Charmed Wikia.  Where did they get this rubbish from?

Again, not a single piece of canon information here. We know absolutely NOTHING about Mystery Girl in regards to the "Chris-Crossed" future, and she has zero relevance to it, anyways.

And it hardly matters, since that future no longer exists.

Nope, nope, nope.

1. "Morality Bites" Melinda was more than likely an alternate version of Wyatt instead of of Mystery Girl. She was both Piper and Leo's firstborn and appeared to be around the same age that Wyatt would've been in 2009. Of course, this is conjecture, too, but it makes more sense than connecting her to Mystery Girl. This character should be on a separate page of her own.

Theses are clearly two separate characters.  The Mortality Bites Melinda clearly ceased to exist along with that alternate 2009.  She has nothing to do with Mystery Girl.  Again, I must ask, what are the Charmed Wikia staff smoking?

There had been no evidence presented of Melinda as ever having been born in the unchanged future. In fact, Chris's testimony that Leo was "never there" for him in that future hints at his work as an Elder taking away from his family life, making it even less likely that she exists.


Well, DUH, you think? There's zero evidence, period, that Wyatt and Chris have ever had a sister to begin with.

Nope, not one hint.  When we saw Wyatt and Chris in the flash forward, there was no sister present.  And old Piper never mentioned a daughter (unlike Phoebe and Paige, who did mention theirs).

Though it remains unclear what powers Melinda will inherit, it is clear that she will not have whitelighter powers as she was conceived after Leo was made mortal. Because of this, she will only inherit her powers from Piper's side of the family. Although she will thus be somewhat less powerful than her brothers, it is presumed that she will be considerably more powerful than the average witch due to her Charmed ancestry. Her specific powers aren't known, but it is likely she inherits her mother's power of molecular immobilization since Chris inherited Telekinesis. It is also possible that she will likely develop Molecular Manipulation, allowing her to manipulate molecules completely.

Man, that must be powerful stuff that CharmedBozo and the others at Charmed Wikia are smoking if they think that one iota of this rubbish is canon.

I suppose I could go and try to explain the difference between canon and fanon to them.  However, they'd probably just tell me to shut up and threaten to block me if I don't.  So, I'll pass.

[sol]

I'm not reading the comics and I think I'll never read them, I don't like the design of these comics and above all I'm not interested in the story

Charme One story ended: they blocked the last attempt of the Triad to take over and there was no more demon able to get in their own way, so the sisters'ld live a long period of peace, just some innocent to save after bringing to school the children or writing a book or doing shopping

As it was told in Kill Bill II : NOMED: We might. But probably not anytime soon. We're not powerful enough to challenge the Charmed Ones. No demon who remains is, save for the Triad. You've decimated the old guard, and we -- well, we need time to rebuild. We might be ready when your next generation takes power.

The tale of the Charmed One ended and what happens in the quiet years in which Wyatt and Chris are growing is not interesting: Wyatt and Chris only, I saw them in the finale, making a potion, not nine cousins


Wishes to Storygirl83 for her work

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Sept 29, 2015 11:43:27 GMT -5 sol said:

I'm not reading the comics and I think I'll never read them, I don't like the design of these comics and above all I'm not interested in the story

Charme One story ended: they blocked the last attempt of the Triad to take over and there was no more demon able to get in their own way, so the sisters'ld live a long period of peace, just some innocent to save after bringing to school the children or writing a book or doing shopping

As it was told in Kill Bill II : NOMED: We might. But probably not anytime soon. We're not powerful enough to challenge the Charmed Ones. No demon who remains is, save for the Triad. You've decimated the old guard, and we -- well, we need time to rebuild. We might be ready when your next generation takes power.

Yeah, as much as Paul Ruditis should be commended for what he's been able to do with the comics, there's still the hard fact that the show didn't really leave them much to continue off from. We already know that the sisters will live Happily Ever After with their husbands, so there's zero suspense in any continuation. Even Ruditis and Shand, themselves, have admitted that they hate the "Forever Charmed" flash-forward and the way its forced them into a creative box, and I think many of us would agree that the comics would've been bigger and better if it wasn't for the finale.

Sept 29, 2015 11:43:27 GMT -5 sol said:

The tale of the Charmed One ended and what happens in the quiet years in which Wyatt and Chris are growing is not interesting: Wyatt and Chris only, I saw them in the finale, making a potion, not nine cousins

That's the biggest reason why I don't believe they have a sister or that Phoebe and Paige's kids are anything special. The flash-forward ONLY depicted Wyatt and Chris as taking the reigns from the sisters, NOT a "Power of Nine" or some BS like that.

I stand by my assertion that Paige's kids are adopted and 100% human. The flash-forward never said either way, and it makes sense. Paige and Henry, themselves, were both adopted, so I could easily see them wanting to give that opportunity to other kids. Plus, there's also a good chance that 5 years of demon-fighting left Paige as internally damaged as Piper was said to have been at the end of Season 4, and since her husband didn't have magical whitelighter sperm to heal her (as what possibly happened with Piper), that left Paige unable to conceive.

As for Phoebe, I still say that Mr. Cardboard gave up his powers and immortality before any of their brats were conceived. I can't see him not wanting to grow old with Phoebe, and I can't see PhoeME not wanting her Dream Guy to be 100% human (like she tried to make Cole). And, since, PhoeME is still as self-obsessed as ever, her brats have all their powers bound and are kept completely away from magic. Again, the flash-forward never explicitly said anything against this, so it can work.

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Yeah, as much as Paul Ruditis should be commended for what he's been able to do with the comics, there's still the hard fact that the show didn't really leave them much to continue off from. We already know that the sisters will live Happily Ever After with their husbands, so there's zero suspense in any continuation. Even Ruditis and Shand, themselves, have admitted that they hate the "Forever Charmed" flash-forward and the way its forced them into a creative box, and I think many of us would agree that the comics would've been bigger and better if it wasn't for the finale.

That's why they should have done a Charmed Sons comic.  Paul Ruditis could have written it.  His novel, Leo Rising, that featured the Charmed Sons was one of the best of the novels.

Why the comics chose to continue the sisters story, which was, for all intents and purposes, over, is beyond me.

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Sept 29, 2015 12:35:46 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Sept 29, 2015 11:43:27 GMT -5 sol said:

As for Phoebe, I still say that Mr. Cardboard gave up his powers and immortality before any of their brats were conceived. I can't see him not wanting to grow old with Phoebe, and I can't see PhoeME not wanting her Dream Guy to be 100% human (like she tried to make Cole). And, since, PhoeME is still as self-obsessed as ever, her brats have all their powers bound and are kept completely away from magic. Again, the flash-forward never explicitly said anything against this, so it can work.

if my life partner agreed to see not me but our daughters grow old and die, I'm not so sure I'ld love him, a parent  can not even conceive of surviving the children

I doubt that Phoebe would bound her daughters 's powers , the girls'll be very normal witches, with the characteristics of Warren family but not even remotely close to the power of the Charmed One

From the little I know of psychology, I'ld bet that Phoebe 'll be a very caring mom but a little bit  demanding,especially with respect to the school

I say this from personal experience:my unconventional parents, former hippies, former revolutionaries, sent me  in a strict Catholic school and  checked my grades as they were notary!

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We'll never know what powers, if any, the Brood Of Brats will have (unless you consider the comics canon, of course).  It's all fanon.

That's the problem with the Charmed Wikia, they consider the powers the Brood Of Brats has in the comics as canon, when they are not.  Nothing on the powers of said brats should be there, because, on the show, no such thing exists.

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Sept 30, 2015 3:58:19 GMT -5 sol said:

I doubt that Phoebe would bound her daughters 's powers , the girls'll be very normal witches, with the characteristics of Warren family but not even remotely close to the power of the Charmed One

Their powers must be bound if Wyatt and Chris are the only two who end up carrying on the Charmed legacy. Besides, the Phoebe of the later seasons was a far more self-absorbed creature than the Phoebe of old. I definitely don't think that early Phoebe would bind her kids' powers, but PhoeME? That's a different story.

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So any statement that Charmed Wikia makes about any powers Phoebe or Paige's kids have is fanon, nothing more.  The show was totally silent in both cases here.

[Granny Charmed]

Aug 30, 2011 8:01:23 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I agree totally. The problem is, a lot of people *do* think it's all canon, and it very simply isn't. And when they're not willing to change fanon to canon, especially when the canon is proven (and in Charmed, that's *hard* since canon changes so much during the show!), well, it's really a shame, especially for all the time and effort that was obviously put into putting up the site.

Oh dear. I keep hearing about these comics. I might get them one day.

My granddaughter directed me to this wiki. I wanted assistance in finding information to refresh my memory and got blasted and they were very unhelpful. 

Since when is a comic book canon. That makes logically no sense. These folks over there are morons (yes challenging my inner grams).

[adzpower]

I mean I would consider them canon if Connie came out and said they were, but since she hasn't, they seem like a nice parallel universe story.

[Granny Charmed]

Apr 23, 2016 8:44:46 GMT -5 adzpower said:

I mean I would consider them canon if Connie came out and said they were, but since she hasn't, they seem like a nice parallel universe story.

Excellent points adzpower. Thats like how the comic book world keeps reinventing itself every few decades with different universes.

However I cannot agree fully with the treatment of this charmed wiki. How are fans like me who often forget facts suppose to find resources that are correct, if people dont respect canon.

Anybody visiting this site expects correct information. We clearly are not getting that.

Somebody needs to fire the staff at charmed wiki. They are disrespectful to the program by presenting facts that are not true and how they treat fans with simple requests.

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Apr 23, 2016 10:08:30 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

However I cannot agree fully with the treatment of this charmed wiki. How are fans like me who often forget facts suppose to find resources that are correct, if people dont respect canon.

Anybody visiting this site expects correct information. We clearly are not getting that.

Somebody needs to fire the staff at charmed wiki. They are disrespectful to the program by presenting facts that are not true and how they treat fans with simple requests.

I agree completely with you. Charmed fans deserve an accurate, unbiased resource for general information about the show, and Charmed Wiki fails horrendously at that. The people running that site treat their own headcanons as hard fact, and they'll readily insult and ban anyone who has the nerve to disagree.

I think the Cafe should pitch together and create a new, better alternative to Charmed Wiki, filled with nothing but hard, canonical fact for the show (and ONLY the show--people who want comic-specific info will be redirected to StoryGirl83's fine Wiki).

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I wanted assistance in finding information to refresh my memory and got blasted and they were very unhelpful.

Sadly, I'm not surprised.  Those clowns are well known to blast anyone who challenges their head canon.

I think the Cafe should pitch together and create a new, better alternative to Charmed Wiki, filled with nothing but hard, canonical fact for the show (and ONLY the show--people who want comic-specific info will be redirected to StoryGirl83's fine Wiki).

Good idea.  There are enough Charmed fans here to make a good Charmed Wiki that acknowledges the show, and only the show. 

As you said, Betty, anyone wants to know about the comics, that's where Storygirl's Wiki comes in.

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Apr 23, 2016 11:53:26 GMT -5 @rexandhannah1 said:

Good idea.  There are enough Charmed fans here to make a good Charmed Wiki that acknowledges the show, and only the show. 

As you said, Betty, anyone wants to know about the comics, that's where Storygirl's Wiki comes in.

And, we have people here with experience creating Wikis (like yourself, for example). I could probably help out with some of the graphical details. I think it could be done if enough people are interested.