Magical Pregnancies

[Astral Alex]

Hi guys, though I'd spark up a debate here - which is quite fitting with the Season Five 'month'.

During the course of Charmed, we saw Phoebe access the power of her unborn baby and Piper access Wyatt's powers whilst both were pregnant - however Piper did not manage to access Chris's powers whilst she was pregnant in Season Six.

I haven't really read many of the comics but if somebody knows much about the pregnancy that features in that then I'd be delighted to hear about it.

But my question is, do you think all witches would be able to use their unborn child's power? And what about other magical beings?

Interestingly, in a fanfic I wrote about four/five years ago which focused on Prue, Paige and 'The Second Prophecy' - Paige's pregnancy with her twins was fun to write, as I had her tap into their powers when hers were down, but made it out that it cost her a lot of energy and effort - do you think this would be true 'in-universe?'

Discuss :-)

[Esmeralda]

Most fans think that Piper couldn't access Chris' powers because Big Chris was in the past and had those powers, so therefore Fetus Chris didn't, part of why they didn't show up right away after he was born, like Wyatt's did.

Personally I think it's just part of trying to make us feel sorry for the lying, whining, murdering brat.

We know that Patty got a premonition from Fetus Phoebe so it just makes sense that this would be true of any witch who's pregnant with a fetus who has powers.

[forbuss]

I think the most reasonable answer is that Wyatt was more powerful than Chris. Piper also didn't ever "use" Wyatt's powers per say, they just effected hers. The shield was cool though.

[Chrisaholic]

Still, both have the same parents and the same background. Even though Wyatt was prophecied as "Twice-Blessed", why shouldn't baby Chris have had his powers? Yeah, big Chris was there and used his powers frequently but with our knowledge, we didn't know all of Chris's actual powers as he pretended to be a simply whitelighter.

[Esmeralda]

When the Charmed Ones went in the past, the little girls already had their powers, so the Charmed Ones didn't have any. When Chris went in the past, he had the powers. Little Chris was conceived, he couldn't have them because Chris already did. WHen Chris faded away, the powers went back to Little Chris. Hence no powers for Piper to access while pregnant with Little Chris.

[forbuss]

Yes they have the same background and parents, etc - but everyone agrees that Wyatt was more powerful, just like Prue was the strongest. Yes, Prue's powers didn't show up in the womb but it would be hard for TK to effect Patties power of Freezing. Victor was also human, and Patty was not as strong as Piper.

I think Prue's power would have grown to be like Penny's! She was probably the fiercest witch ever.

[Esmeralda]

That would make sense if it was only PRUE's power that Patty had accessed. But it wasn't. It was Phoebe's.

Personally I think that due to Holly's own pregnancy we didn't see her pregnant with Chris enough and she never had to do anything, so she never really had a need to access his powers.

The one thing we know for sure is that Chris didn't have a shield like Wyatt. Otherwise, who knows?

I still think most of it was to try to make us feel sorry for the poor, poor brat.

[Esmeralda]

LOL! Typical that a Season Five discussion is all about Chris! Sorry, but it should've been saved for Season Six.

[forbuss]

As I said in another post, Patty only had one premonition, while Piper's powers were being effected by Wyatt's powers daily.

[Esmeralda]

Only had one that we knew of...

[forbuss]

They make Piper out to be the left out child, but I also think Little Phoebe would have felt left out the only sister not having an active power (especially because she felt this way as an adult, and premonitions could have scared her as a child).

Unless I am remembering wrong and Phoebe was too young to ever remember having her powers (I think Prue and Piper were old enough to remember something like that..).

[Reality Bites]

Sept 5, 2012 12:08:40 GMT -5 forbuss said:

As I said in another post, Patty only had one premonition, while Piper's powers were being effected by Wyatt's powers daily.

Actually, Patty had at least two premonitions, that we know of, when she was pregnant with Phoebe.

The first that we know of happened at the beginning of her pregnancy, when she had a premonition of adult Prue, Piper, and Phoebe taking little Prue and Piper away from the manor.

The second premonition that we know of occurred at the end of her pregnancy. During childbirth, she had a premonition of Piper's wedding day and saw herself hugging her adult daughters (which may be the reason she thought she wouldn't die fighting the water demon, as she told Sam in her letter to him that she wouldn't have fought the demon if she didn't think she could beat it and make it back home to her girls).

Sept 5, 2012 23:53:47 GMT -5 forbuss said:

Unless I am remembering wrong and Phoebe was too young to ever remember having her powers (I think Prue and Piper were old enough to remember something like that..).

I thought it was explained in "That 70's Episode", that not only would Grams bind the girls powers after Phoebe was born, but she also stripped them of their memories in regards to ever having powers.

[Chrisaholic]

Yet Wyatt had messed up real big with his mother's powers since he changed the explosive ones to something with more peace, like flowers and all. And he gave her hiccups and all. Plus, the self healing which was given by his Daddy. This already showed how powerful Wyatt was going to be - if he had access to his mother's powers in that way.

[Esmeralda]

*nods* I'll agree with this one. It also shows why WYATT should've been the Good Son and Chris the Evil One. They *so* blew that!

[Reality Bites]

Sept 9, 2012 10:11:22 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

*nods* I'll agree with this one. It also shows why WYATT should've been the Good Son and Chris the Evil One. They *so* blew that!

Sorry to push a Season 5 convo onto Chris again (but hey, he did feature in two Season 5 episodes, so maybe the convo is appropriate), but I personally thought Chris was evil too. He was just the lesser of two evils in my opinion. How could he not be evil, given the world he lived in? He was so close to his brother in the dark future, knowing firsthand the evils he had done. He even "fell in love" with one of his brother's hitman.

When Chris visits from the future, his mantra is "the wrong thing done for the right reasons is a-okay!" a long way away from the earlier lesson the sisters learned about how "the wrong thing done for the right reasons is still the wrong thing". In his time visiting the past; Chris murders a lot of magical creatures -- some good, a lot of them evil. But his killing is glossed over because he is trying to save Wyatt.

Also, it never seemed like he was saving Wyatt because he loved his brother. The reason the Halliwell sisters would fight to save one of their evilly turned sisters throughout the years. Chris hated Wyatt, even baby Wyatt he would express mistrust and hate towards. Chris' reasons for saving Wyatt seemed more selfishly motivated. I think it's because Chris didn't become Wyatt's brother until well after "Sword in the City", the episode when Holly learned she was expecting and therefore had to inform Brad Kern that she was pregnant.

Nine episodes into whatever original plot they had for Chris, his character arc was gradually rewritten because Brad Kern was too ignorant to realize that just because Holly was pregnant it didn't mean Chris had to become Wyatt's little brother. Chris came back before he was born, so Piper very well could have easily been pregnant with Melinda. Or they could have camouflaged the pregnancy altogether if they wanted to put the work in.

I think the Chris character was one of the quickest character assassinations in the history of Charmed. The writers got so nervous with Holly's pregnancy, they jumped the gun with trying to make Season 6's story work with the pregnancy, instead of making the pregnancy fit into Season 6's story.

[ljones]

When Chris visits from the future, his mantra is "the wrong thing done for the right reasons is a-okay!" a long way away from the earlier lesson the sisters learned about how "the wrong thing done for the right reasons is still the wrong thing".

That was a lesson that the sisters forgot pretty fast. Chris is just a chip off the old block.

[Esmeralda]

Sept 9, 2012 15:06:28 GMT -5 Reality Bites said:

orry to push a Season 5 convo onto Chris again (but hey, he did feature in two Season 5 episodes, so maybe the convo is appropriate)

Well, maybe Assassin Witch can change the title of this board to "Season Five and Six" discussion, since it sounds like that's going to dominate this board the way the time between Season Three and Season Four dominated the Season Three board.

[Assassin Witch]

The conversation is about magical pregnancies.... I don't see the need to change any titles. This theme began in S5, which is why I assume it was started...

So as long as we keep to the discussion of magical pregnancies int his thread, we're good.

[Rebecca Malfoy]

Outside of the premonition or two that Patty got, do we really know much about her pregnancies with the girls? Or how much any one of their powers affected hers? Since Patty and Piper had the same power, could Piper magically affect Patty's power like Wyatt did Piper's while she was pregnancy? And what about Prue's telekinesis? And what about Paige's orbing and whitelighter powers? Could they affect Patty's freezing since the witch-whitelighter hybrid was unheard of when Patty was pregnant with Paige. And if so, how? And since Paige was the spare Charmed One, did her Charmed magic affect Patty in any way? There are, IMO, too many variables to factor in to compare Piper's pregnancy to any of Patty's (save for Phoebe's) or Grams' with Patty because the only one that was ever explored was in That 70's Episode where we know that Patty received a premonition from baby Phoebe. I, do however, think that Patty got the premonition because it's a passive power compared to the freezing power Patty. A lot of that is left for us to only guess.

I think we have to remember when discussing Chris' powers he was at one point, if I heard right, supposed to be Paige's son but was changed when HMC became pregnant in real life. He was, IMO, never suppose to be the second son of Piper. Since Chris wasn't conceived by the time he went back, IMO, the fetus never got to access his magic until adult Chris was went back to the right time (and no, I'm not counting the *one* episode he went back in season 6 in this). Whatever powers Chris got when Piper was pregnant with baby Chris never fully carried over to adult Chris. Potions on the other hand..

Wyatt was the first born of a Charmed One/Whitelighter that was said to be Twice Blessed. For some reason, I think whichever sister gave birth first was going to have the strongest Charmed baby simply because they were the first born Charmed baby. As we saw, Wyatt and Phoebe's baby were both able to access and channel their powers through their mother's. I think had the Phoetus (that is the term for Phoebe's baby right? I keep seeing this pop up in other forums) come to term, it and Wyatt most likely would've been magic rivals because of what their magic-enfused DNA carried. And I think jealously would've heavily factored into that because Wyatt would've been heavily favored by the Elders and most of the good magical community.

Of all the pregnancies I actually wanted to see the most, it had to be Paige's because she was the first witchlighter (and no, the one one from season 8 doesn't count since it contradicted seasons 1-7 too much for my liking) to have a baby. I'm really curious about what kind of powers her twins got because they are the first witchlighter twins. I wonder if one is more whitelighter inclined and the other is more witchy.

[Chrisaholic]

You raised good questions about Patty's pregnancies with the Charmed Ones. The only thing we know is that she had Phoebe's powers while being pregnant but what's with Prue and Piper, or Paige? Would be interesting to know. I mean, Patty is their mother, so there had to be something!