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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 19, 2015 23:36:48 GMT -5
Well, I can absolutely guarantee you that I will *not* buy any e-book written by Pat Shand unless I hear VERY good reviews from someone I trust.
That truly hurts like hell.
I was REALLY hoping Paul Ruditis would do some e-books that take place AFTER the comics and fix some of the mistakes that Shand has made, the way Paul has fixed so many of Burge's and Kern's. I love the fact that he says that Cole was *infected* by the Source, not possessed. That makes it make a whole lot more sense than anything else I've seen.
It's what I like best about Paul Ruditis - he actually makes inexplicable things that the show did make sense!
Like I no longer believe the Titans were space-travelers - Paul Ruditis' ideas, especially after his explanation regarding the All, makes so much more sense.
Like you, the Power of Four thingy will probably be it for me, too. I'll still keep buying and reading them, just like I kept watching Charmed every single Sunday even after going through Phoebe, Queen of the Underworld, Crazy Cole, the Twice-Blessed Brat, Chris, the Avatars, PhoeME's baby-daddy search, and the horror that is Season 8, but unlike Season 9, which I've already reread a number of times, unless when this is all over, it somehow makes sense, the way the All finally did after I'd read all of Season 9, I'm packing the comics up and sending them to my friend who's a Cole-fan. I have no desire to keep them the way I'll always keep my Season 1-3 DVDs (and never buy any others..) and my Season 9 comics.
Yes, the whole Court of Love thing, setting Phoebe up to end up with Cole rather than Coop, was in Issue 13 (which is about right - VERY unlucky). If you want me to, P3Nathan, I can PM you what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 0:25:34 GMT -5
That's what I say. Of course, I consider neither canon, but Paul's work seems to have been embraced by Charmed fans. Pat's work, not so much.
This guy has all but destroyed the comics and now their letting him loose on the e-books!? Does CBS WANT to sink the franchise forever??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:03:48 GMT -5
I am very disappointed about it. It's like finding out season 10 wouldn't be written by Paul all over again  It seems that in any format, 'Charmed' still remains the victim of network meddlers with no concept of "if it aint broke, don't fix it!" Paul's e-books were a huge ray of hope for the continuation, but now I honestly don't think we'll ever get to see Paul's approach to "Charmed" continue... and that makes me sad. But like you Es; all 4 volumes of season 9 will remain on my book shelf for future re-reads, which I'm sure I'll enjoy. And yes, if you don't mind, a summary of "Court of Love" would be very helpful, thank you. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 20, 2015 10:37:44 GMT -5
Just finished reading part 4 of Let Gorgon's Be Gorgon and now it looks like Pat Shand has written the next e-book called Social Medium which is set a couple days after all the events of Let Gorgons Be Gorgons Phoebe seems to be having having strange dreams. This is gonna be interesting with having a new writer write these books now.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2015 11:04:59 GMT -5
So Shand's even going to start writing e-books that come BEFORE Season 10?
That means there's absolutely no chance of reclamation. I'm sure Shand's books will just be used to put the story back on track to his version of Charmed, with plenty of wonderful vibes between Phoebe and Cole (who would be alive in these) and have Phoebe already wishing she could have a life with Cole rather than the husband she loves so much in Season 9 and Paul's e-books, and concetrate on the fact that the grimoire is now part of Prue, not the Sword of whoever it was.
Sounds like maybe CBS has dropped Paul Ruditis as a Charmed writer completely.
HOW DISAPPOINTING!
UNLESS...if they're planning a Charmed reunion movie and Paul Ruditis is going to work on that!
We can hope...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 12:39:06 GMT -5
CBS yanks the rug out from under Paul's feet again. From what I have read here, many Charmed fans felt that Paul had gotten things back on track after the mess Kern made of the later seasons. Then he's taken off the comics and Shand comes in and, in the eyes of those same fans, undoes all the good work Paul did.
Then Paul gets the e-books, and the fans can hope again. Now, that hope has been yanked away. The same man, whom fans feel ruined the comics, is now going to ruin the e-books. Nice going, CBS. Brad Kern himself couldn't have done a better job at f*cking things up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 15:22:11 GMT -5
CBS yanks the rug out from under Paul's feet again. From what I have read here, many Charmed fans felt that Paul had gotten things back on track after the mess Kern made of the later seasons. Then he's taken off the comics and Shand comes in and, in the eyes of those same fans, undoes all the good work Paul did. Then Paul gets the e-books, and the fans can hope again. Now, that hope has been yanked away. The same man, whom fans feel ruined the comics, is now going to ruin the e-books. Nice going, CBS. Brad Kern himself couldn't have done a better job at f*cking things up. It's sad, isn't it? P3Nathan hit the nail on the head: "It seems that in any format, 'Charmed' still remains the victim of network meddlers with no concept of 'if it aint broke, don't fix it!'" Charmed just seems doomed to this crap, no matter what. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 20, 2015 21:25:12 GMT -5
So Shand's even going to start writing e-books that come BEFORE Season 10? That means there's absolutely no chance of reclamation. I'm sure Shand's books will just be used to put the story back on track to his version of Charmed, with plenty of wonderful vibes between Phoebe and Cole (who would be alive in these) and have Phoebe already wishing she could have a life with Cole rather than the husband she loves so much in Season 9 and Paul's e-books, and concetrate on the fact that the grimoire is now part of Prue, not the Sword of whoever it was. Sounds like maybe CBS has dropped Paul Ruditis as a Charmed writer completely. HOW DISAPPOINTING! UNLESS...if they're planning a Charmed reunion movie and Paul Ruditis is going to work on that! We can hope... Wait Phoebe is having regrets now on her marriage? Oh this is gonna bite her in the butt big time. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 20, 2015 23:06:59 GMT -5
So Shand's even going to start writing e-books that come BEFORE Season 10? That means there's absolutely no chance of reclamation. I'm sure Shand's books will just be used to put the story back on track to his version of Charmed, with plenty of wonderful vibes between Phoebe and Cole (who would be alive in these) and have Phoebe already wishing she could have a life with Cole rather than the husband she loves so much in Season 9 and Paul's e-books, and concetrate on the fact that the grimoire is now part of Prue, not the Sword of whoever it was. Sounds like maybe CBS has dropped Paul Ruditis as a Charmed writer completely. HOW DISAPPOINTING! UNLESS...if they're planning a Charmed reunion movie and Paul Ruditis is going to work on that! We can hope... Wait Phoebe is having regrets now on her marriage? Oh this is gonna bite her in the butt big time. No, that's what I think Pat Shand will have happen in his e-books. It would set up Season 10 properly. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 21, 2015 0:06:51 GMT -5
I don't think Pat plans on bringing Cole back since he already stated many times before that once your soul is stabbed by the Ancient Athame it's destroyed. If you go back to try to change it then the figure will be a blur. He wanted to make a statement this season although he said if Charmed continued on for another season then maybe the next writer might undo it or stick with what he did.
I don't know why Ben still has some of Cole's memories or why Prue chose Cole's body to host his soul that might be explained later on.
I read some fans have their own ideas on how to undo the Athames effect. Love to see if they make fan fiction stories from this.
Sorry I couldn't resist peaking into the charmed comics fan site.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 21, 2015 1:41:34 GMT -5
I don't think Pat plans on bringing Cole back since he already stated many times before that once your soul is stabbed by the Ancient Athame it's destroyed. If you go back to try to change it then the figure will be a blur. He wanted to make a statement this season although he said if Charmed continued on for another season then maybe the next writer might undo it or stick with what he did. I don't know why Ben still has some of Cole's memories or why Prue chose Cole's body to host his soul that might be explained later on. I read some fans have their own ideas on how to undo the Athames effect. Love to see if they make fan fiction stories from this. Sorry I couldn't resist peaking into the charmed comics fan site. That's okay. There's just enough things going on that tells me that no matter what he says, he's going to find a way to either let Cole live through Ben or actually bring Cole back and one way or another Cole's body (and his memories) is going to end up with Phoebe. No other true reason to get rid of Coop, and everything Shand has done has been to set up getting rid of Coop to free Phoebe so she can be with Cole. I would love to be proven wrong, but until Ben goes bye-bye without Cole coming back, I'll continue to expect it. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 21, 2015 11:09:03 GMT -5
I love the fact that he says that Cole was *infected* by the Source, not possessed. That makes it make a whole lot more sense than anything else I've seen. …holy crap, you're right. It's what I like best about Paul Ruditis - he actually makes inexplicable things that the show did make sense! If only he was active and known at the time of the show's run, and thus could've been used as a creative consultant. Yes, the whole Court of Love thing, setting Phoebe up to end up with Cole rather than Coop, was in Issue 13 (which is about right - VERY unlucky). If you want me to, P3Nathan, I can PM you what happened. I know I'm probably setting myself up for punishment with this question, considering I'm of the "die a hero and/or complete your redemption without Phoebe" strand of Cole fans just as Nathan is, but…care to let me in on this one too? |
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Post by Nimue on Dec 21, 2015 12:05:41 GMT -5
Can someone please explain what the difference is between Cole being infected by the Source and not possessed, and why it's somehow worse?
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 21, 2015 18:40:50 GMT -5
I don't think Pat plans on bringing Cole back since he already stated many times before that once your soul is stabbed by the Ancient Athame it's destroyed. If you go back to try to change it then the figure will be a blur. He wanted to make a statement this season although he said if Charmed continued on for another season then maybe the next writer might undo it or stick with what he did. I don't know why Ben still has some of Cole's memories or why Prue chose Cole's body to host his soul that might be explained later on. I read some fans have their own ideas on how to undo the Athames effect. Love to see if they make fan fiction stories from this. Sorry I couldn't resist peaking into the charmed comics fan site. That's okay. There's just enough things going on that tells me that no matter what he says, he's going to find a way to either let Cole live through Ben or actually bring Cole back and one way or another Cole's body (and his memories) is going to end up with Phoebe. No other true reason to get rid of Coop, and everything Shand has done has been to set up getting rid of Coop to free Phoebe so she can be with Cole. I would love to be proven wrong, but until Ben goes bye-bye without Cole coming back, I'll continue to expect it. I don't know what Pat's plans our for Benjamin. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 21, 2015 21:48:27 GMT -5
That's okay. There's just enough things going on that tells me that no matter what he says, he's going to find a way to either let Cole live through Ben or actually bring Cole back and one way or another Cole's body (and his memories) is going to end up with Phoebe. No other true reason to get rid of Coop, and everything Shand has done has been to set up getting rid of Coop to free Phoebe so she can be with Cole. I would love to be proven wrong, but until Ben goes bye-bye without Cole coming back, I'll continue to expect it. I don't know what Pat's plans our for Benjamin. I don't either, but I can certainly speculate. It's just all too obvious to me. But Pat Shand is more than welcomed to make a liar out of me. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 21, 2015 21:55:39 GMT -5
I love the fact that he says that Cole was *infected* by the Source, not possessed. That makes it make a whole lot more sense than anything else I've seen. …holy crap, you're right.  Well, since he wrote books during the time it was aired and also the Book of Three, which was all about S1-5, they certainly could've, but didn't. Just didn't recognize what they had in him. Still don't. I certainly can, but I specifically did it for P3Nathan, because I knew he was reading the comics and knew what happened in Season 10 before Issue 13. If you haven't been reading them, I"m not sure how much sense the whole thing would make. But *shrug* I'll send it to you anyway and see what you think. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 21, 2015 23:18:19 GMT -5
Can someone please explain what the difference is between Cole being infected by the Source and not possessed, and why it's somehow worse? This is purely my own speculation based on Paul Ruditis' explanation. He says during that time Cole was influenced by the powers of the Source (having taken them in, not the Source itself) and had given into those powers. Therefore everything he did was his own fault - he couldn't - and didn't in the ebooks - use possession as an excuse for his vile behavior. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 0:47:20 GMT -5
Dream on. Even Paul Ruditis would be hard pressed to undo all the damage the later seasons did.
Still, even though he had one arm tied behind his back going into the comics, he seemed to be, as TV Tropes would say, Winning Back The Fans. He seemed to know that Brad Kern had really dropped the ball and was doing his best to address and fix things.
And then CBS comes along, takes the comics away from him, and gives them to Pat Shand AKA Brad Kern Mark II. And now they're handing the e-books over to Shand as well.
I guess they want to make sure Charmed is good as dead. They got rid of the one guy who was doing his best to fix the damage Kern did, and hired a guy who wants to take Kern's mess and ramp it up to eleven.
Charmed and its fan just can't seem to catch a break, can they, at least as far as Officialdom is concerned.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Dec 22, 2015 10:36:07 GMT -5
Can someone please explain what the difference is between Cole being infected by the Source and not possessed, and why it's somehow worse? This is purely my own speculation based on Paul Ruditis' explanation. He says during that time Cole was influenced by the powers of the Source (having taken them in, not the Source itself) and had given into those powers. Therefore everything he did was his own fault - he couldn't - and didn't in the ebooks - use possession as an excuse for his vile behavior. If he was under the influence doesn't that mean that someone or something is dominating his descisions? You see I thought the Sources powers were tied to it's esscence just like any other demons powers judging by some of those episodes. |
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Post by Nimue on Dec 22, 2015 10:58:50 GMT -5
Me too. I also remember Cole struggling to tell Phoebe, but the Source prevented him, and finally completely over-powered him. The dreams also showed the Source trying to completely take over, to erase any shed of humanity Cole still had, and Cole trying to resist. And regardless of any of that, Cole took in the Hollow in the first place to save Phoebe and her sisters, he had no idea what the consequences would be, so it's not like he's a complete monster. All he did was out of love. He's actually more of a victim than anything else.
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