Charmed Comics Return in October 2014

[Nimue]

Dec 26, 2015 11:06:11 GMT -5 lilchi7212 said:

It just seems like everything Cole did he did it for her. I don't know maybe I'm wrong on this.

Do you mean Phoebe? Because if so, I entirely agree with you.

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Dec 26, 2015 0:34:11 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

But this is a thread about the comics.  When I come here, I want to read about them, not the beaten to death Cole/Source thing, or Es's rubbish head canon (seasons four through eight were set in an alternate universe). 

IMO, this is one of the reasons Charmed fandom is in such sorry shape, the same old arguments going round and round, the same old dead horses being beaten and beaten again.   It's no wonder that so many have left Charmed behind and moved on to the greener pastures of Supernatural, The Flash, Arrow, Supergirl, Agent Carter, etc.  It seems there is nothing new left to talk about in regards to Charmed anymore.  Charmed's even shrinking fandom seems to be time locked in the first half of the first decade of this century.

Now can we please, for the love of God,  get back to the comics?  Canon or not, they're the only fresh thing about Charmed that's come out in years.

I agree 100%.

I'm starting to wish that Connie HAD gotten her way and that Cole was never introduced into the show, because I'm beyond sick of all the arguing and whining about his character.  All it seems to have done is foster negativity in the fandom.  (Especially from a certain somebody here who seems to get a kick out of derailing threads, starting flamewars, and shoving her headcanons onto people. )

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I'm starting to wish that Connie HAD gotten her way and that Cole was never introduced into the show, because I'm beyond sick of all the arguing and whining about his character. All it seems to have done is foster negativity in the fandom.

Amen to that.

And why the heck couldn't Pat Shand leave well enough alone?  Cole and Phoebe's story is over, and has been for years.  Shand had the whole Charmedverse to mine for stories, yet he chose this.  Why?  What in the dead gods of Krypton compelled him to dig up this old corpse of a story.

At least when I brought Cole back in the Rex and Hannah Chronicles, I had him move on with his life.  He's accepted that Phoebe is behind him now and is engaged to Kira. 

I moved Cole forward, Shand moved him backwards.  Ask yourself, who had the better idea?

[lilchi7212]

Dec 26, 2015 11:12:38 GMT -5 Nimue said:

Dec 26, 2015 11:06:11 GMT -5 lilchi7212 said:

It just seems like everything Cole did he did it for her. I don't know maybe I'm wrong on this.

Do you mean Phoebe? Because if so, I entirely agree with you.

Yes 

[lilchi7212]

Dec 26, 2015 11:36:43 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Dec 26, 2015 0:34:11 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

But this is a thread about the comics.  When I come here, I want to read about them, not the beaten to death Cole/Source thing, or Es's rubbish head canon (seasons four through eight were set in an alternate universe). 

IMO, this is one of the reasons Charmed fandom is in such sorry shape, the same old arguments going round and round, the same old dead horses being beaten and beaten again.   It's no wonder that so many have left Charmed behind and moved on to the greener pastures of Supernatural, The Flash, Arrow, Supergirl, Agent Carter, etc.  It seems there is nothing new left to talk about in regards to Charmed anymore.  Charmed's even shrinking fandom seems to be time locked in the first half of the first decade of this century.

Now can we please, for the love of God,  get back to the comics?  Canon or not, they're the only fresh thing about Charmed that's come out in years.

I agree 100%.

I'm starting to wish that Connie HAD gotten her way and that Cole was never introduced into the show, because I'm beyond sick of all the arguing and whining about his character.  All it seems to have done is foster negativity in the fandom.  (Especially from a certain somebody here who seems to get a kick out of derailing threads, starting flamewars, and shoving her headcanons onto people. )

Then the show would be same and the shows characters probably wouldn't grow and not as interesting. Keep in mind Constance made some mistakes on that show too.

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Of course, one could ask that the Cole stuff be moved to the right threads, but then we hit that old elephant in the room again.  Only the Admin can do stuff like that, and we have no Admin. 

Because of that, we've had problems with the occasional spammer, but thankfully the trolls have so far left us alone.  Knocking on  wood that our good luck in that regard continues.

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Then the show would be same and the shows characters probably wouldn't grow and not as interesting. Keep in mind Constance made some mistakes on that show too.

That's assuming the characters actually DID grow and become more interesting as people... The general consensus says otherwise.

Who else is starting to wish that Charmed had just ended at Season 2 or 3?  At least, the show would probably be better-remembered and the fandom wouldn't be so negative all the time.  And, imagine how much more Ruditis would've been able to do with his books and comics.  Much better to continue a series that was cut short than to continue one that was dragged out.

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That's assuming the characters actually DID grow and become more interesting as people... The general consensus says otherwise.

Consensus here seems to indicate that the characters got more and more unlikable as the show went on.  And most of this happened after Connie had been ousted.  Heck, one prominent member hates the later seasons character so much, they write off the whole latter half of the show as an alternate universe spin-off (rubbish is that idea is).

Who else is starting to wish that Charmed had just ended at Season 2 or 3? At least, the show would probably be better-remembered and the fandom wouldn't be so negative all the time. And, imagine how much more Ruditis would've been able to do with his books and comics. Much better to continue a series that was cut short than to continue one that was dragged out.

I agree.  Had Charmed been cancelled after say, Season Two, it would be much better.  The characters would have still been liked by most of the fans.  And, the open ending would have given Paul Ruditis much more creative wiggle room when it came to his novels and the comics.  He could have gone in without having one arm tied behind his back, thanks to Forever Charmed and that damned flash forward. 

Sometimes a show being cut down in its time is better in the long run.

Look at the show, My So Called Life.  It was cancelled after one season, but is still better remembered that Charmed, which ran for eight seasons. 

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You^ can't expect discussion to resume about the comics if no one has anything new to say about them.

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Dec 27, 2015 0:45:46 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

I agree.  Had Charmed been cancelled after say, Season Two, it would be much better.  The characters would have still been liked by most of the fans.  And, the open ending would have given Paul Ruditis much more creative wiggle room when it came to his novels and the comics.  He could have gone in without having one arm tied behind his back, thanks to Forever Charmed and that damned flash forward. 

Sometimes a show being cut down in its time is better in the long run.

Look at the show, My So Called Life.  It was cancelled after one season, but is still better remembered that Charmed, which ran for eight seasons. 

Definitely agree. Aside from a few certain members who dislike Season 2, almost all of the negativity about the show involves Seasons 3-8. Seasons 3 and 4 (aka. the Cole years) seem to be especially divisive, since about half of the fandom considers those seasons to be when Charmed Jumped the Shark, while the other half considers them to be Charmed's peak. And, outside of certain parts of Seasons 6 and 7, most discussion about Seasons 5-8 is 100% negative.

So, yes, maybe things would've been better had Charmed been cut short after Season 1 or 2. We might've even gotten the long-desired spinoff or movie, since there actually would've been something to continue off from.

[Nimue]

If it had been stopped after two seasons, then what would there be to talk about? Most of the discussion might be negative, but it is about seasons 3-8. There really isn't much to discuss about Season 1-2, not things to create controversy and bring out different opinions: don't get me wrong, I'm tired of negativity, but with these kind of debates/arguments people can express different opinions, and not all agree on the same thing.

Another thing: a spin-off after just two seasons doesn't seem like a good idea, people would think the show was cut off too early, and that there were still story lines that could be explored. After four-five seasons, yes, but before is much too early. At that point, what exactly is the point of a spin-off?

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Perhaps it would have been better had Constance Burge stayed.  When a creator leaves, or, as in Ms. Burge's case, pushed out, the show often changes considerable from its original premise.  That's the case here.  Most of the negativity surrounding Charmed are directed at the seasons after Kern seized power.

However, there are shows have had much shorter runs than Charmed that still get a lot of discussion.  Buffy and Angel, for example, had shorter runs, but their fandom is still in good shape.  However, as I have said, it helps that Joss Whedon has remained actively involved with fandom, so the fans of those shows have someone to rally around. 

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Dec 27, 2015 14:06:31 GMT -5 Nimue said:

If it had been stopped after two seasons, then what would there be to talk about? Most of the discussion might be negative, but it is about seasons 3-8. There really isn't much to discuss about Season 1-2, not things to create controversy and bring out different opinions: don't get me wrong, I'm tired of negativity, but with these kind of debates/arguments people can express different opinions, and not all agree on the same thing.

We could talk about how the show could've continued, or discuss, yes, the flaws of the first two seasons. Plus, the show ending earlier might've increased the odds of us having extra canon to discuss like a movie or continuation.

Look at the fandoms for other shows that got cut short, like Firefly or Veronica Mars. They're doing pretty dang well, much better than Charmed fandom, in fact.

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I am now half way through "part 2" of "Let Gorgons be Gorgons" and I'm really enjoying it. Paul really does know how to write these characters. I especially thought this in a scene involving Phoebe, Coop and Cole. If this had been done under Kern, the prospect would fill me with dread... but with Paul's writing, I actually loved it! A scene with Phoebe, Coop and Cole... and it was actually funny; it made me smile; it was charming! Who would've thought it?

I also re-read "The War on Witches" beforehand and upon my second read, it pretty much cemented my head-canon that "The War on Witches" is 10x01 and "Let Gorgons Be Gorgons" is 10x02. Or perhaps just feature length specials I guess, since that seems to be the end of Paul's run in all formats. Reading them now is very bittersweet; as much as I enjoy them, it makes me sad at the same time seeing a glimpse of what season 10 could have been.

Anyway, I'll write a bit of a proper review when I'm finished with it I think. Oh by the way, that's why my review of "Mr. and Mrs. Witch" isn't up just yet. It will be soon, but see, I got home from work and had the choice between watching that horrendous episode or reading the book and I'm afraid it wasn't much of a contest to be honest.

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I hope Paul returns to write future novels. I'd love to see them back to write some post-season 10 novels, and try to repair the miss that is season 10.

I still haven't bought any issues of season 10, I normally wait for the graphic novels. But I've read all the spoilers and reviews, and it seems like a mess of a season.

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I've just got the final part to read now. It's still good. I'm finding this take on Medusa and her sisters really interesting. Paul also builds even more on the cupid mythology and I really like what he does with it. Some of the Phoebe-Coop moments in this novel are so well-written and touching, which makes the recent comic book developments even more spirit crushing. I really liked Coop's description of a cupid falling in love... it's a shame I'll be tearing into his Kern-led season 8 self soon.

I'm seriously considering writing my own stories after this. Maybe try my hand at a mini-novel. Be different from the fanfics I've written previously.

[Esmeralda]

Jan 17, 2016 8:44:58 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

I've just got the final part to read now. It's still good. I'm finding this take on Medusa and her sisters really interesting. Paul also builds even more on the cupid mythology and I really like what he does with it. Some of the Phoebe-Coop moments in this novel are so well-written and touching, which makes the recent comic book developments even more spirit crushing. I really liked Coop's description of a cupid falling in love... it's a shame I'll be tearing into his Kern-led season 8 self soon.

I'm seriously considering writing my own stories after this. Maybe try my hand at a mini-novel. Be different from the fanfics I've written previously.

I'm with you totally, P3Nathan. With the way Kern screwed up 'Oh, My Goddess!' Paul does such a better job with it.

I hope you decide to do your mini-novel - I'd love to see what you come up with.

Would you set it in Paul's universe or one of your own?

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Jan 17, 2016 10:18:31 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Jan 17, 2016 8:44:58 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

I've just got the final part to read now. It's still good. I'm finding this take on Medusa and her sisters really interesting. Paul also builds even more on the cupid mythology and I really like what he does with it. Some of the Phoebe-Coop moments in this novel are so well-written and touching, which makes the recent comic book developments even more spirit crushing. I really liked Coop's description of a cupid falling in love... it's a shame I'll be tearing into his Kern-led season 8 self soon.

I'm seriously considering writing my own stories after this. Maybe try my hand at a mini-novel. Be different from the fanfics I've written previously.

I'm with you totally, P3Nathan. With the way Kern screwed up 'Oh, My Goddess!' Paul does such a better job with it.

I hope you decide to do your mini-novel - I'd love to see what you come up with.

Would you set it in Paul's universe or one of your own?

It's true. Oh My Goddess is probably the most bitter season finale for me (next to Forever Charmed) simply because an episode about the Greek gods and the Titans is something that I really ought to be in love with... but nope. I wonder how that finale could have been if Paul had written it.

I'd love to continue Paul's universe. Really like how he's developed the show's mythology and characters. I have a few ideas, I'll see what I can come up with... maybe start with a short story and go from there.

[Esmeralda]

Jan 18, 2016 7:06:49 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

Jan 17, 2016 10:18:31 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I'm with you totally, P3Nathan. With the way Kern screwed up 'Oh, My Goddess!' Paul does such a better job with it.

I hope you decide to do your mini-novel - I'd love to see what you come up with.

Would you set it in Paul's universe or one of your own?

It's true. Oh My Goddess is probably the most bitter season finale for me (next to Forever Charmed) simply because an episode about the Greek gods and the Titans is something that I really ought to be in love with... but nope. I wonder how that finale could have been if Paul had written it.

I'd love to continue Paul's universe. Really like how he's developed the show's mythology and characters. I have a few ideas, I'll see what I can come up with... maybe start with a short story and go from there.

That sounds like a fantastic idea. If Paul can't continue his universe, fans definitely can, and I'd love to see what you'd do.

[lilchi7212]

The only thing that I disagree with Paul is that he has Cole dress not in any casual clothes when we see in the tv series he can dress casual.