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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 15:02:02 GMT -5
Something I found quite interesting on Pat's Tumblr. In particular the first paragraph; his original plan for Benjamin.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 5, 2016 20:12:08 GMT -5
Something I found quite interesting on Pat's Tumblr. In particular the first paragraph; his original plan for Benjamin. I've gotta admit it - given the choice between Ben in Coop's body or Cole's body....no, both make me shudder!!! Just like if we found out (as I kept/keep expecting) that Cole is now inside Coop's body and that it was *him* bringing Phoebe to the hospital in the flashforward, not Coop... What? Did all the Phole fans get a hold of Shand and convince him to ruin the relationship that was the best of the three during S9 - even if it was one of the worst ones in S8? Shand fits in with the other thread about the writers doing horrible jobs writing relationships... He really should've left Coop and Phoebe alone and leave both Prue and Cole at the Nexus! Let those two be the ones who free Ben's soul and let him go on to the afterlife - when Prue and Cole both go there, too..Prue returning and Cole rewarded for what he'd done. That would've been *such* a better storyline. |
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Post by charmedagain4 on Mar 29, 2016 14:23:17 GMT -5
Something I found quite interesting on Pat's Tumblr. In particular the first paragraph; his original plan for Benjamin. I've gotta admit it - given the choice between Ben in Coop's body or Cole's body....no, both make me shudder!!! Just like if we found out (as I kept/keep expecting) that Cole is now inside Coop's body and that it was *him* bringing Phoebe to the hospital in the flashforward, not Coop... What? Did all the Phole fans get a hold of Shand and convince him to ruin the relationship that was the best of the three during S9 - even if it was one of the worst ones in S8? Shand fits in with the other thread about the writers doing horrible jobs writing relationships... He really should've left Coop and Phoebe alone and leave both Prue and Cole at the Nexus! Let those two be the ones who free Ben's soul and let him go on to the afterlife - when Prue and Cole both go there, too..Prue returning and Cole rewarded for what he'd done. That would've been *such* a better storyline. I know this is old but I was just checking out this topic. Trust me, the Phole fans aren't at all pleased with what Pat is doing to the comics right now. He has killed off Cole when he should've left him alone to help witches with Prue who also shouldn't be possessed by an Old One. Being a Phole fan, I do wish they could somehow get back together. Coop has never seemed right for Phoebe to me. I mean, it's like their love for each other just popped up out of nowhere. I gave them a chance but they still just don't work to me. But I didn't mind if Cole and Phoebe didn't get back together. I just would've preferred that Prue and Cole help future witches and not be thrown around by Pat. I want to know why Pat decided to kill off Cole, make Prue evil, have Ben in Cole's body, have Paige and Henry's marriage on the rocks, and have the sisters almost ending up fighting their sister. This is completely out of line. At this point, I wouldn't have minded if S9 was the last season. I love how you wanted Ben's soul to go to the afterlife, along with Prue returning and Cole being rewarded for the good he has done. You are dead on that that would've been a better storyline. Wouldn't it be very surprising if Pat actually did this? Nah, he would never do that  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 0:17:21 GMT -5
Since it's very likely that the comics will be cancelled, I don't think we should worry. Just consign "Season 10" to the rubbish heap of bad ideas.
Of course, it's not not it was ever canon to begin with.
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Post by sol on Mar 30, 2016 1:16:53 GMT -5
I didn't read the comics but from what I gather fron your posts it's a good thing that they are not canon
By chance I looked at the first Buffy's comic book, but really the Buffy fans are happy that they are canon?
Really they like all those future slayers and Buffy armed like a marines?
Or the zombie army?
I'm very, very happy that Charmed comics cannot be canon
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 30, 2016 2:49:20 GMT -5
Well people who don't like the comics consider those as fanfiction actually as their reason why there not canon.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 30, 2016 15:03:51 GMT -5
Well people who don't like the comics consider those as fanfiction actually as their reason why there not canon. Season 9 was great when Paul Ruditits wrote them but Season 10 under Pat Shand is just a cop out. CBS apparently owns the rights to Charmed so to them it's considered canon. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 18:01:57 GMT -5
I didn't read the comics but from what I gather fron your posts it's a good thing that they are not canon By chance I looked at the first Buffy's comic book, but really the Buffy fans are happy that they are canon? From what I've seen, the Buffy fandom seem pretty split on that. From what I gather online, this is the impression I get from fans of each season: Season 8- (This is the only one I actually read). Some decent standalone stories and character stuff, but the main arc is just bat-sh!t insane. Not sure the series has ever really recovered from how absurd it got. Season 9- A rather dull and joyless season. Heaps of new characters thrown in, the majority of which were underdeveloped and inconsequential. Supposedly the finale was great, but I don't get the impression that it was good enough to make up for the rest of the season. Season 10- We're into really bad fanfic territory at this point. Filled with cringe-worthy shipper bait and contrivance, often at the expense of character growth. I see a lot of anger especially at how Buffy is being written; you can pretty much count on someone posting a "Unbelievably Stupid Stuff Buffy Says!" list every time a new issue is released. The supposed canon status of the comics is pretty questionable at this point anyway, because Joss was very involved to begin with, but now I don't think he has much to do with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 0:54:16 GMT -5
Based on what has happened with both the Buffy and Charmed comics, I'm starting to wonder if comic continuations of TV shows are just a bad idea. Comics are an entirely different medium from television, after all, so what works in one may not necessarily work in the other.
Comics lack the budget constraints and executive oversight of TV shows, so they tend to be more outlandish and "extreme" with their stories and characters, hence the reason why comic continuations of TV shows seem to have a tendency to veer off into bad fanfic territory. It's appearing more and more that Paul Ruditis' Charmed Season 9 was an exception rather than the rule.
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Post by sol on Mar 31, 2016 3:49:48 GMT -5
Maybe because these comics have as a model the Marvel comics, full of actions
I really love the graphic novel, which gives room to landscapes, moments of peace, minimal tales
A tv episode has a tight schedule and high costs, in a grafic novel the same episod'ld be developed at a slower time, with more attention to detail, instead of filling each vignette with extreme actions
P3 Nathan's post confirms my belief, when a TV show ends, the best thing to do is remember with affection: eight seasons, 176 episodes are enough
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 8:36:09 GMT -5
It's true actually, of the comic continuations I've read, they do seem to either start off terrible or end up that way.
With 'Charmed', I loved season 9 and it'll always have earned its place in my head-canon. If I add Paul's two e-books to the end of that, I feel like that is a pretty good place to leave the series. Season 10...well, you guys have heard my thoughts on that.
With 'Buffy', like I said, there were some decent standalone stories in the first half. I personally found "No Future For You" and "Wolves at the Gate" particularly fun. But there was just too much crazy stuff to deal with... and that second half; urgh, I was very close to putting it down, it became a real chore to get to the end.
With 'Angel', I learned from the above two. I had heard that "After the Fall" was a great comic and fitting end to the Angel story; constructed largely of stuff that Joss had actually intended to do before the show was cancelled. Looking at discussion, the comics that followed on from this pretty much sound like fan fiction written by someone who's watched about two episodes of the show.
So, I promised myself that I'd stick to "After the Fall" and I was fine doing just that. It was a good conclusion, so I was happy to leave it there.
But yeah, I do think sometimes you really need to know when to quit. Like I know there's a "Smallville" comic, which to be fair- I've never read, but the show ran for 10 seasons! Never had any urge to check it out.
There are 'Once Upon a Time' comics and novels considered canon, but they're tie ins for the first two seasons (nobody seems to touch the more recent seasons, make of that what you will) and 'Veronica Mars' is continued in novel form by the creator, those have been good, but then the show was cancelled very early.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 11:08:26 GMT -5
I've always considered the Charmed novels that Paul Ruditis wrote the best ones (an honour he shares with Diana Gallagher, IMO). He always paid close attention to the continuity of the show, such as what point they were at when he wrote his novels. By doing this, he stayed within the continuity of the show and made it work.
No doubt he continued this into the comics, his close knowledge of the show. They should have kept him writing the comics, he clearly knew what he was doing.
I don't know how much Pat Shand (AKA Brad Kern Mark II) knew about Charmed, but, from what I've read here, he clearly did not understand the series like Paul Ruditis did. And "Season 10" was the result. All he's done is get the comics probably cancelled.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 31, 2016 11:27:43 GMT -5
But yeah, I do think sometimes you really need to know when to quit. Like I know there's a "Smallville" comic, which to be fair- I've never read, but the show ran for 10 seasons! Never had any urge to check it out. There are 'Once Upon a Time' comics and novels considered canon, but they're tie ins for the first two seasons (nobody seems to touch the more recent seasons, make of that what you will) and 'Veronica Mars' is continued in novel form by the creator, those have been good, but then the show was cancelled very early. Having not watched the show (two episodes don't count, right?), I can't tell you how the Smallville comics stack up to the show, but I can tell you that I enjoyed them and was very disappointed that they didn't continue. Eventually I will watch the show, but to be honest, the comics are what stirred up my interest in it and that show, those ten seasons, had better live up to the comic. Based off the comics, my favorite character is Oliver . . . which is also what got me watching Arrow when it started, so I can blame the Smallville comics for the fact that I watch Arrow, The Flash, and DC's Legends of Tomorrow, even though its not in the same TV universe as Smallville. It might also be to blame for my watching Supergirl, but I'm not sure. Huge Marshmallow, Kickstarter backer of the Veronica Mars movie, and I loved the first book (need to get the second one . . . thanks for the reminder . . . got caught up in things). I've always considered the Charmed novels that Paul Ruditis wrote the best ones (an honour he shares with Diana Gallagher, IMO). He always paid close attention to the continuity of the show, such as what point they were at when he wrote his novels. By doing this, he stayed within the continuity of the show and made it work. No doubt he continued this into the comics, his close knowledge of the show. They should have kept him writing the comics, he clearly knew what he was doing. I loved Paul's work on the comics and he knows it. I've told him on many occasions and have also told him that I hope to see more Charmed work by him, in any form. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 13:13:53 GMT -5
I've always considered the Charmed novels that Paul Ruditis wrote the best ones (an honour he shares with Diana Gallagher, IMO). He always paid close attention to the continuity of the show, such as what point they were at when he wrote his novels. By doing this, he stayed within the continuity of the show and made it work. No doubt he continued this into the comics, his close knowledge of the show. They should have kept him writing the comics, he clearly knew what he was doing. I think it's important to note that Paul Ruditis started out writing novels for the show rather than comics. I think, as a medium, novels are often closer to television than comics are. Although novels also lack the budget/production constraints of television, they still can't go as outlandish and action-heavy as comics simply because they're a written medium and aren't relying on pictures to tell the story. Combine that with a great love and knowledge for the source material, and it's not hard to see why so many fans love Ruditis' work. Zenescope has only shot themselves in the feet by letting someone like Pat Shand take over the series. It's true actually, of the comic continuations I've read, they do seem to either start off terrible or end up that way. With 'Charmed', I loved season 9 and it'll always have earned its place in my head-canon. If I add Paul's two e-books to the end of that, I feel like that is a pretty good place to leave the series. Season 10...well, you guys have heard my thoughts on that. With 'Buffy', like I said, there were some decent standalone stories in the first half. I personally found "No Future For You" and "Wolves at the Gate" particularly fun. But there was just too much crazy stuff to deal with... and that second half; urgh, I was very close to putting it down, it became a real chore to get to the end. With 'Angel', I learned from the above two. I had heard that "After the Fall" was a great comic and fitting end to the Angel story; constructed largely of stuff that Joss had actually intended to do before the show was cancelled. Looking at discussion, the comics that followed on from this pretty much sound like fan fiction written by someone who's watched about two episodes of the show. So, I promised myself that I'd stick to "After the Fall" and I was fine doing just that. It was a good conclusion, so I was happy to leave it there. But yeah, I do think sometimes you really need to know when to quit. Like I know there's a "Smallville" comic, which to be fair- I've never read, but the show ran for 10 seasons! Never had any urge to check it out. There are 'Once Upon a Time' comics and novels considered canon, but they're tie ins for the first two seasons (nobody seems to touch the more recent seasons, make of that what you will) and 'Veronica Mars' is continued in novel form by the creator, those have been good, but then the show was cancelled very early. It's also very true that some shows just don't need any continuation. Buffy and Smallville had arguably already overstayed their welcome on TV, so a comic continuations were very unnecessary to begin with. I get doing it for shows like Angel and Veronica Mars that had been cut short, but not ones that already had very long runs on TV. What happened to just letting shows end? |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 31, 2016 14:43:11 GMT -5
I've always considered the Charmed novels that Paul Ruditis wrote the best ones (an honour he shares with Diana Gallagher, IMO). He always paid close attention to the continuity of the show, such as what point they were at when he wrote his novels. By doing this, he stayed within the continuity of the show and made it work. No doubt he continued this into the comics, his close knowledge of the show. They should have kept him writing the comics, he clearly knew what he was doing. I don't know how much Pat Shand (AKA Brad Kern Mark II) knew about Charmed, but, from what I've read here, he clearly did not understand the series like Paul Ruditis did. And "Season 10" was the result. All he's done is get the comics probably cancelled. Pat Shand was just like us he was a fan of the series when it was on. He was only contracted to write for season 10 when Ruditis decided to focus more on the novels. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 16:18:15 GMT -5
These are great shows. The CW has really been on a good streak since they kicked Dawn Ostroff to the curve, got rid of the shows she kept throwing money at (90210 and Gossip Girl), and started the Arrowverse.
Yeah, I know Supergirl is on CBS, but the Flash just paid a visit, so crossovers are possible.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 31, 2016 16:40:36 GMT -5
These are great shows. The CW has really been on a good streak since they kicked Dawn Ostroff to the curve, got rid of the shows she kept throwing money at (90210 and Gossip Girl), and started the Arrowverse. Yeah, I know Supergirl is on CBS, but the Flash just paid a visit, so crossovers are possible. Yep, I really want to see that episode, but I watch Supergirl with my mom and my niece and we are a week behind, so I might have to wait to see the crossover. I watch the rest of them with my mom. By TV universe I believe the term that I want is closer to multiverse, so not having seen the crossover yet, I don't know how they handle it, but I kind of assume that they have it set up so that Kara's earth is "Earth-3" (for lack of better wording) to Barry. I do think it's pretty cool that not being on the same station hasn't kept them from having a crossover. I know that this prevented crossovers between Buffy and Angel . . . and Angel was a spin-off of Buffy, so yay to network cooperation.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 17:02:40 GMT -5
You got it right. Barry and Kara exists on different Earths. That's all I'll say, I don't want to give too much away.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 1, 2016 2:12:25 GMT -5
Yeah you should watch Smallville sometime StoryGirl it was a great show which you can tell I was a fan of obviously and am still am actually.
There will be some bits you like and some that you won't though like you Oliver was one of the reasons I really got into Smallville when he came in bar seeing a few earlier episodes of course.
I haven't read the comics myself although have viewed certain page snippets and whatnot which from what I've seen are quite good explaining what's happened to particular characters who've left like in season 10 etc.
I watch Supergirl also although not seen all of Arrow bar season 1 and first half of season 2 kind of or watched Flash at all either which some people say's better than Arrow anyway.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 15, 2016 6:53:20 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the next issue is out? The last one I have is the horrible one known as "Happily Ever After". I don't know why I want to read the next one - I guess I like train wrecks. Or maybe it's like continuing to watch S7-8 long after I'd lost respect for all of the Charmed Ones. It's just what I do. And I was glad I did for such episodes as 'Show Ghouls' and 'Little Box of Horrors' and 'Something Wicca This Way Goes?'. Hopefully something like that will happen in S10, but I'm sure not expecting it.
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