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Post by Sasha on Oct 22, 2018 7:33:47 GMT -5
I'm on the fence, I loved it, but I also like the original ending. This could have been something they used for the next episode maybe?
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 23, 2018 2:10:04 GMT -5
Thinking about it, I would've liked this ending if they didn't include 'Womb Raider' and 'Witch Way Now?' It could've made a great season-ender and a better series-ender, setting up the Charmed Sons spin-off, featuring cousins, not brothers.
Very obviously Kern wanted to get rid of the Phoetus so he could have his Wyatt Halliwell. I would've much preferred if Wyatt had been skipped and Piper only had Chris or Prudence Melinda.
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Post by Sasha on Oct 23, 2018 5:07:15 GMT -5
Thinking about it, I would've liked this ending if they didn't include 'Womb Raider' and 'Witch Way Now?' It could've made a great season-ender and a better series-ender, setting up the Charmed Sons spin-off, featuring cousins, not brothers. Very obviously Kern wanted to get rid of the Phoetus so he could have his Wyatt Halliwell. I would've much preferred if Wyatt had been skipped and Piper only had Chris or Prudence Melinda. It could've made a great season-ender for sure. I'm not at all surprised Kern went the direction he did. I personally wouldn't have minded if we ended up with two cousins, the Phoetus and Prudence Melinda. Still do not get why a brother-sister pairing wasn't a choice, just so it wasn't all males. A relationship dynamic that could have been much different to be explored, if we had to have two children in the series. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 23, 2018 22:24:29 GMT -5
Thinking about it, I would've liked this ending if they didn't include 'Womb Raider' and 'Witch Way Now?' It could've made a great season-ender and a better series-ender, setting up the Charmed Sons spin-off, featuring cousins, not brothers. Very obviously Kern wanted to get rid of the Phoetus so he could have his Wyatt Halliwell. I would've much preferred if Wyatt had been skipped and Piper only had Chris or Prudence Melinda. It could've made a great season-ender for sure. I'm not at all surprised Kern went the direction he did. I personally wouldn't have minded if we ended up with two cousins, the Phoetus and Prudence Melinda. Still do not get why a brother-sister pairing wasn't a choice, just so it wasn't all males. A relationship dynamic that could have been much different to be explored, if we had to have two children in the series. The boy who had demonic powers and the girl who has angelic powers...oh, yes. Not The Charmed Sons, but Charmed: the Next Generation. Could've been a lot of fun while being quite a bit different than Charmed. Particularly if all three Charmed Ones are dead and instead their Aunt Prue is their whiteighter...there's the threesome I would've liked to have seen in the spin-off, with someone besides Drew Fuller playing the Phoetus. |
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Post by gzv969 on Oct 24, 2018 14:55:54 GMT -5
This ending could have still been used maybe in the beginning of a next episode. That’s why I didn’t like womb raider being right after long live the queen. We should have had at least one episode or two in between, where phoebe had time to deal with and come to terms with her pregnancy and her baby and how she’ll move forward as a mother, before the seer started coming for her and her baby.
Wonder how the story would have gone if phoebe had her son and she was the one dealing with a magical baby potentially becoming evil instead of pipers Wyatt. Maybe in this version Chris comes back just to either vanquish phoebes baby or try and turn him good, as phoebes baby is the one that becomes the source in the future. In this scenario Piper doesn’t have a child yet until Chris. Like before Chris is her future child but this time pipers first child. And she later finds out in season 6 that future Chris is her son like before. And he’s had to grow up with an evil manipulative older cousin (phoebes son) who in the future gets out of control and terrorizes their family. By the time Chris comes to them, Phoebe and her sisters think they have phoebes son under control as they presumably have successfully used some power of three spell to vanquish/bind his evil side and keep him good during season 5. But Chris as usual believes otherwise.
And cole returning in season 5 would also involve him returning to fight for his son and wanting none of his sons powers bound, believing he can raise him and control him with all the new powers he now has.
Gideon also wants phoebes son dead as he believes he should never have been allowed to be born. I’d love in this scenario for Cole to be around and he’s the one that kills Gideon.
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Post by pheebs on Oct 24, 2018 20:47:38 GMT -5
Great set-up gzv!
I do wonder how it would play out if Phoebe did have her baby, especially if it meant Piper didn't have Wyatt in S5. Of course, it means Piper would end up being pregnant in S6 due to Holly, but because they had Piper find out so late in the season. I half wonder if that means Chris is just Piper, and Phoebe's son his hers. So just two cousins, not two brothers. Of course, I'd wish Chris was Melinda, so Piper just has a daughter.
Now, of course, this means children in S5-S8 but this means no Phoebe vision quest, and it also potentially means Phoebe would raise a son alone once Cole dies and this being her story for the rest of the series.
I just hope in a set-up like this, they'd let Phoebe just be a mother, so Coop isn't introduced, and let her just have one child.
How I'd end the series would be different still, but going on from this set-up brought up. Here is how I'd end the series. Piper and Leo with one child (maybe two if the second is Melinda (even if I'd want her first to be Prudence Melinda so no second needed), one she is just pregnant with at the end of the show). Paige and Henry just married and Phoebe single with just one child.
The series would have covered all basis with each sister being different and not all three ending up with three children each.
I also find this better, because then viewers could each find one sister they relate too, rather than setting it up that all three must be married with kids. Even if I'd be fine with one sister being both single and childless at the end.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 25, 2018 7:06:59 GMT -5
Just thought of a better idea...who says that the Phoetus has to be a male? The way Prudence Melinda was a shock when she became Wyatt, think of the shock if Little Cole became Little Phoebe! (Of COURSE PhoeME would name her daughter after herself...) Then if it's her cousin, Melinda, who comes back from the future, wanting to kill her cousin before she grows up to be the new Source...
PERFECT!
ESPECIALLY if we find out that the *true* evil one in the future is Melinda due to the way that Piper raised her to use her power for her own personal gain, the way Piper does after Leo was frozen by the Titans...
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Post by gzv969 on Oct 25, 2018 11:28:32 GMT -5
I like that idea ES. Reminds me of the story you had shared with me of future Melinda returning from the future.
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 26, 2018 0:42:06 GMT -5
That sounds much better. So the baby source took over and Melinda has to save or destiny her cousin. It would've been a better story indeed. I feel having Wyatt evil to was over kill and didn't really flow with the rest of the series since we had an evil baby one season before and would have better closure
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Post by Sasha on Oct 28, 2018 20:16:27 GMT -5
It could've made a great season-ender for sure. I'm not at all surprised Kern went the direction he did. I personally wouldn't have minded if we ended up with two cousins, the Phoetus and Prudence Melinda. Still do not get why a brother-sister pairing wasn't a choice, just so it wasn't all males. A relationship dynamic that could have been much different to be explored, if we had to have two children in the series. The boy who had demonic powers and the girl who has angelic powers...oh, yes. Not The Charmed Sons, but Charmed: the Next Generation. Could've been a lot of fun while being quite a bit different than Charmed. Particularly if all three Charmed Ones are dead and instead their Aunt Prue is their whiteighter...there's the threesome I would've liked to have seen in the spin-off, with someone besides Drew Fuller playing the Phoetus. That would be fun.  |
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Post by Olga Halliwell on Mar 6, 2019 8:10:48 GMT -5
Just thought of a better idea...who says that the Phoetus has to be a male? The way Prudence Melinda was a shock when she became Wyatt, think of the shock if Little Cole became Little Phoebe! (Of COURSE PhoeME would name her daughter after herself...) Then if it's her cousin, Melinda, who comes back from the future, wanting to kill her cousin before she grows up to be the new Source... PERFECT! ESPECIALLY if we find out that the *true* evil one in the future is Melinda due to the way that Piper raised her to use her power for her own personal gain, the way Piper does after Leo was frozen by the Titans... Es, isn't this a very fun idea. I'd so love to see that twist. I really would have been happier if we didn't have Chris and Wyatt, and they had been girls instead. So the show can stay female-centric. Plus, I'd have more fun re-watching S5 now, as a new mother to a daughter myself. Yet, we got Wyatt.  |
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Mar 6, 2019 20:49:35 GMT -5
Just thought of a better idea...who says that the Phoetus has to be a male? The way Prudence Melinda was a shock when she became Wyatt, think of the shock if Little Cole became Little Phoebe! (Of COURSE PhoeME would name her daughter after herself...) Then if it's her cousin, Melinda, who comes back from the future, wanting to kill her cousin before she grows up to be the new Source... PERFECT! ESPECIALLY if we find out that the *true* evil one in the future is Melinda due to the way that Piper raised her to use her power for her own personal gain, the way Piper does after Leo was frozen by the Titans... Es, isn't this a very fun idea. I'd so love to see that twist. I really would have been happier if we didn't have Chris and Wyatt, and they had been girls instead. So the show can stay female-centric. Plus, I'd have more fun re-watching S5 now, as a new mother to a daughter myself. Yet, we got Wyatt. I'm with Olga, that would be really good. Good idea, Es. |
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Post by Katie Warren on May 6, 2019 21:32:41 GMT -5
I loved the original ending in the script, but I still like the one we got. This scene would have been perfect to be used as the opening to the next episode.
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Post by summerreading on May 16, 2019 5:42:46 GMT -5
This was very good but I love the ending we got. If Phoebe's baby lasted longer as an arc I guess this scene would have made sense to keep.
But I'm with others that this original ending be used for the opening to the next could work reworked maybe.
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Post by egbert on Aug 9, 2019 10:12:20 GMT -5
the script original abandoned is better that the other script anticipated, phoebe to a stronger link with the baby and a different destiny for him, in the final of the season 4 original if Julian was stay.
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Post by gzv969 on Aug 9, 2019 19:36:21 GMT -5
I just wish they didn’t abandon that story and have phoebes baby vanquished. It would have been nice to explore him becoming the source in the future and the charmed ones having to deal with how to vanquish and stop him as a finale. “The evil they wouldn’t see coming and that which they won’t be prepared to deal with”. As the angel of destiny put it in season 8
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Post by egbert on Aug 10, 2019 10:11:23 GMT -5
gzv969 yes me too, it's very pity that Wyatt is took the futur story of Phoetus for the new script modified.
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Post by ljones on Aug 12, 2019 11:48:36 GMT -5
Okay . . . why would Phoebe and Cole's baby have to become evil and the future Source? When the Seer first sensed Phoebe's baby, she had a vision of him becoming a powerful force of good. That's why she had created a potion to dictate his future moral compass in the first place. You mean to say that if Phoebe had remained pregnant, the sisters would not have been able to create their own potion or spell to overcome the Seer's potion?
This is why "CHARMED" had become so frustrating to me over the years. It never really allowed the major characters to mature by allowing them to retain this black-and-white morality. Even other fantasy shows like "BUFFY" and "ONCE UPON A TIME" were able to evolve beyond such writing. Why couldn't "CHARMED" do this? I thought it was going to do so by mid-Season Three, but in the end, the series paid the occasional lip service to the idea of moral ambiguity before abandoning it altogether. What a waste!
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Post by egbert on Aug 12, 2019 13:50:03 GMT -5
Ijones if phoebe had understood the existence the spirit of the source in the body of his baby possessed, Phoebe would never have killed his son
Kern to create a misunderstanding voluntary in the script modified of the season 4 for Cole and phoebe's son, its very sad
but even maleficent in the future for an episode the sisters would save Phoebe's son in the original script after the season 5 planned no doubt
because phoebe in the two script is different for his son.
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Post by gzv969 on Aug 13, 2019 15:08:44 GMT -5
Okay . . . why would Phoebe and Cole's baby have to become evil and the future Source? When the Seer first sensed Phoebe's baby, she had a vision of him becoming a powerful force of good. That's why she had created a potion to dictate his future moral compass in the first place. You mean to say that if Phoebe had remained pregnant, the sisters would not have been able to create their own potion or spell to overcome the Seer's potion? This is why "CHARMED" had become so frustrating to me over the years. It never really allowed the major characters to mature by allowing them to retain this black-and-white morality. Even other fantasy shows like "BUFFY" and "ONCE UPON A TIME" were able to evolve beyond such writing. Why couldn't "CHARMED" do this? I thought it was going to do so by mid-Season Three, but in the end, the series paid the occasional lip service to the idea of moral ambiguity before abandoning it altogether. What a waste! But in “womb raider” phoebe said that the baby felt like pure evil. I don’t think there was any good in him. |
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