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Post by cyma on Sept 1, 2014 15:00:07 GMT -5
An interesting topic I found at IMDB
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 2, 2014 6:30:20 GMT -5
This posts more than just an introduction of Paige really as it includes what would happen to her afterwards but still has the for most mentioned thing at the top.
Prue would still be alive here so the P03 already exists by the time they'd meet her.
She'd come in season 3 as an innocent the Charmed Ones save after Phoebe gets a premonition of a demon attacking her.
Paige works in social services, lives in her loft and is looking for her birth mum at the time.
The Halliwell's and Leo figure she maybe a pre whitelighter because she can orb which's why the demon was after her like how Maggie Murphy sensed Prue.
After meeting the girls Paige starts getting an unknown feeling towards them whilst forming a connection as their friend through seeing them at P3 etc which the Elders find out and worry about greatly.
They try to keep the girl away from the sisters for reasons unknown to them like having her get a work promotion which would involve Paige moving to another city but this fails ultimately because the four girls bond is quite strong now.
The Source useen that year has a vested interest with this girl which he uses Cole/Belthazor in the latter half of the season to infiltrate the Charmed Ones and kill that goes slightly of plan when he falls for Phoebe.
Whilst this happens the sisters are dealing with their powers going wonky which they don't know why's is happening although the Elders do.
They say it's something to do with the girl been round them and that she needs to leave before it got worse but Cole been good now pursuades them to not to.
The Charmed Ones find out about him and go to vanquish the upper level demon although Phoebe doesn't wanna really 'cause she loves him.
In the season finale the now ex lawyer tries to explain himself to the sisters about what's happened that he's good now and know's why their powers are not working properly.
The sisters comment why they should listen to him and not vanquish instead which Belthazor replies is because they're the only ones who can save their sister which shocks the Halliwell's just as Shax appears in and wounds attacks everyone excluding Leo and Belthazor who disappear as that happens wounding the P03 there.
Start of season 4 Leo orbs backs in and only manages to heal Prue and Piper.
Devestated with their loss the remaining sisters have to deal with that and Shax going after their newly found one whom they can't believe Paige actually is and wonder why that is.
Through talking to Grams and Patty they find out the Elders knew about Paige and so had Patty give her up so that the P03 could exist and that she'd be save from evil's radar but then they met her last year 'cause the Source found out one of the sisters would die in the future and so sent a demon after her stopping Paige reconstituting the Charmed Ones which'll work if they don't save her ultimately.
The rest of the story continues the same way similar to that in the show through Shax been killed and the P03 reconnected.
The girls try to figure out their new thing whilst Paige starts getting premonitions. They find out she's not a whitelighter or a half one even really just the daughter of one who can orb which's all she does.
She continues working at social services and lives in her loft till it's burnt down which's when she move's into the manor then.
They vanquish the Source to which's actually believeable then because the bond's already there through having known each other a year already and she meets her father Sam a year earlier which goes the same way as it did season 5 relationship wise.
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Post by ljones on Sept 5, 2014 0:10:09 GMT -5
This sounds like a wishful desire to keep Prue alive.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 5, 2014 4:45:08 GMT -5
My post wasn't about desiring to keep Prue alive she was kept on because I thought the new PO3 would've been better with her in it and not Phoebe been how things turned out in the show originally after Prue died.
The main posts about how I would've introduced Paige differently and what'd happen to her afterwards which starts in season 3 so that by the time they'd vanquished the Source next year the bond's already there making it more believable when he'd die then.
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Post by prueturner61 on Oct 27, 2014 9:19:45 GMT -5
I would of had her in at the beginning.It would have made more sense
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Post by cyma on Jan 26, 2015 8:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by cyma on Jan 26, 2015 9:15:12 GMT -5
I would prefer Paige is discovered as their sister first before becoming an innocent.
I would hint about Paige’s existence at the end of P3 H2O as the sisters are sorting out Sam's stuff, Paige Matthews name or picture keeps popping up. Thinking she meant something to Sam, Prue with Darryl’s help tries to investigate in a later episode of the season or perhaps even the next season. Coincidentally Paige is also looking for her birth family during that time. With the motive of finding more about Paige, Prue offers to help Paige and when they end up at the local church and run into Sister Agnes and Prue sees the baby blanket and hears about the angels bringing Paige and name starting with the P stuff, she obviously discovers the truth. But she understands the consequences if the Elders ever knew so she doesn’t tell anyone else, including her sisters. Paige of course at this point won't think much about angels or something since she won't have witnessed magic. So Prue let's her new half-sister stay clueless too.
Finally when she becomes an innocent they have to protect does Paige discover magic. I would prefer the episode to be All Hell Breaks Loose episode where Paige is the innocent instead of Dr. Griffiths. It would make sense why Prue suddenly forgot using her powers to push the doctor out of Shax's way and why she was being so obsessively worried that Shax wasn’t vanquished, not to mention going out into the street to go vanquish Shax. Going to such insane length to protect an innocent bald doctor? Don't buy it. But if it was Paige, then yes.
I guess having Paige as an innocent, not to mention hiding such a big secret from Paige, Piper and Phoebe and Elders too makes Prue so distracted and stressed enough to expose magic to the world. Though I'm not sure when Prue would drop the 'Paige is our sister' bombshell to all her sisters.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 26, 2015 11:43:12 GMT -5
I really like this idea - especially if Prue discovered that Paige was their half-sister during "All Hell Breaks Loose"...
Naturally in order to do all of this they would've had to be planning on Paige long before they fired Shannen Doherty (unlike a lot of fans I've never once for a single second believed that "P3 H20" was written just in case they needed a half-sister; I've always believed it was written to show the similarites between Patty & Sam and Piper & Leo)...but if that could've happened, this would've been the perfect way to handle the introduction of Paige.
But personally I'm glad they didn't introduce the idea of her during Season One - it would've been too distracting.
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Post by cyma on Jan 26, 2015 14:02:24 GMT -5
P3 H2O happens in season 2 so they've could followed that up in season 3 with Prue the only one discovering about Paige and keeping the truth from everybody. Throughout season 3, Shannen seemed stressed out and therefore Prue seemed stressed out as well. Her obsession and paranoia with vanquishing the Triad, mixed with witnessing how the Elders punished Leo and put Piper through would motivate her to protect Paige's secret more fiercely. Everything could've tied in easily with Paige and feel more connected. Even Cole being a half-demon half human could make Prue wonder and question the fate of hybrids and everything.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 26, 2015 14:13:45 GMT -5
Sorry, that comment was more to melindahalliwell and others who think that Paige should've been introduced in Season One. That I think would've been much too soon, while P3 H20, which was halfway through Season Two would've been just right.
I agree that had they indeed known that they were going to need a spare Charmed One, giving an indication about it in Season Two and then actually figuring it out (without it overshadowing the rest of the subplots of that season) in Season Three would've been the way to go. And had if both Cole and Paige being half-breeds was part of what helped Prue figure it out, I might be able to accept the idea of half-breeds (I still with that Cole was a lawyer who had sold his soul to the Source... - and Paige, Chris and Wyatt were all just pure witch the way the Charmed Ones were pure witch despite having a human father, human grandfather, human great-grandfather....)
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Post by cyma on Jan 26, 2015 14:25:00 GMT -5
Then there would be no point of forbidden relationship or forbidden child or Paige herself  Not to mention there would be no conflict, no drama and ultimately no story if everyone is just a pure witch and everything remains the same. Another thing which Paige's introduction would've solved is that Prue's death would've felt more meaningful. Dying to protect a doctor who is killed anyway, I'll never be satisfied with that. Prue deserves the best and most epic death. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 26, 2015 14:34:49 GMT -5
Okay, let's give this thing a bit of a realistic twist.
Had you had to stick with what I think actually happened - no one knowing that Shannen Doherty was not going to be part of Charmed and would not allow her image to be shown until after "All Hell Breaks Loose" had been filmed and aired - *THEN* how would you introduce Paige?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 26, 2015 14:41:44 GMT -5
Then there would be no point of forbidden relationship or forbidden child or Paige herself Not to mention there would be no conflict, no drama and ultimately no story if everyone is just a pure witch and everything remains the same. Another thing which Paige's introduction would've solved is that Prue's death would've felt more meaningful. Dying to protect a doctor who is killed anyway, I'll never be satisfied with that. Prue deserves the best and most epic death. I can definitely agree with that - but I never believed in the forbidden relationship or forbidden child crap anyway - it made the Elders much too stupid to not realize who Paige was as soon as she started showing her powers. I much prefer the way I do it in my Dream Charmed: Plays out just like the original “Charmed Again” with a couple of major exceptions. First, Piper doesn't try this until the third episode - the first two are dedicated to letting Piper and Phoebe (and Prue's fans) remember and mourn their sister Second, we do get a chance to get to know Paige [Rose McGowan], but only as the innocent who Prue saved during the Season Five finale, including seeing her at the funeral, not due to the spell but due to the fact that she wants to be able to thank Prue for saving her life...unknown to the Charmed Ones or Cole, the innocent Prue saved is their youngest sister. The other difference is that unlike the original, the Elders have always known about Paige - they knew when Patty was pregnant. They were the ones who wanted her kept away from her sisters since they knew that the power of four would be too much and kill all four sisters. They also wanted her power to orb (her only power at birth, given to her by the Elders when Patty became pregnant with her, just like what happened with the Halliwells - they didn't give her any Halliwell powers since the Halliwells already had all three and were doing all they could to make sure there would never be a power of four since without one of those powers, Paige could never become Charmed) bound in order to protect her from Evil and to keep her from exposing magic. Like I've said before, my Elders are both good and just. |
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Post by cyma on Jan 26, 2015 14:50:28 GMT -5
Okay, let's give this thing a bit of a realistic twist. Had you had to stick with what I think actually happened - no one knowing that Shannen Doherty was not going to be part of Charmed and would not allow her image to be shown until after "All Hell Breaks Loose" had been filmed and aired - *THEN* how would you introduce Paige? What I'll definitely want is the new Charmed Ones not being so easily able to vanquish Shax. As for how I'll introduce Paige, I'll need more time to think about that |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 26, 2015 15:03:45 GMT -5
I think I'd do it exactly like what I quoted from my Dream Charmed...there's a reason why it's my Dream Charmed...  Well, not totally. Obivously if it was real, Paige wouldn't have been the innocent who Prue saved. But that would work for me. I'd much prefer Paige not be part of the first three episodes, with Rose not even mentioned in the opening credits - then when she is introduced, only after they show Leo and Cole and before Darryl. Let her join the starring credits in Season Five... *sigh* Of course that's probably not very realistic.... I'd probably end up doing it just like the show did it with the exception that absolutely no way they'd be able to vanquish Shax right away. Make him go poof, sure, but never would I allow them to truly tap into the Power of Three, hence they'd always have to call on the Matriarchs in order to vanquish high-level demons. After all, they're not full sisters, even if they're sisters through Patty. If Paige is going to be a half, then she's going to be a half! I'd never let them forget that fact or the fact that Paige might be Patty's baby, but she's not Piper and Phoebe's baby sister - Phoebe would always be Prue and Piper's baby sister; Piper will always be the heart of the family, not the oldest or the leader, and Paige will always be the Only Child who's had social services training and hence become the eventual leader in a totally different way than Prue - helping her half-sisters get over Gram's horrible influence so they can become mature women rather than remaining selfish, self-centered girls who desperately needed to grow up. And with Kern who wanted us to forget that Shannen Doherty was ever part of the show and thought that the sisters were perfect as Charmed Ones as is, that would be EXTREMELY unrealistic, but answering my question, that's how I would introduce Paige. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jan 26, 2015 15:30:37 GMT -5
In my Charmed fanfiction series I actually introduced Paige at the end of P3H20 after Andy who's alive then says at P3 whether there were anymore family secrets beside Patty & Sam which the sisters reply probably not before it cuts to Paige coming into her loft after work at South Bay Social Services & she answers the phone saying her name indicating she's someone of importance obviously which people find out what in 'Charmed Again Part 1' anyway.
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Post by ljones on Jan 26, 2015 21:22:12 GMT -5
Why? I don't see the need for Cole to be a lawyer who had sold his soul to the Source or some other demon. I have no problem with him being a hybrid. Why do you? In fact, I have no problem with Paige, Chris and Wyatt being hybrids. Why do you have a problem with hybrids?
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Post by Nimue on Jan 27, 2015 6:01:45 GMT -5
I have a bit of a problem with hybrids myself, not as a general rule, but with the way Charmed handled them.
Cole: whenever Cole did something bad, it was his demon half that was to blame: "it's his demon half that did it, his human half is innocent". What is this, Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Two different people with two different personalities who just happen to share the same body? In reality that's called schizophrenia, but Cole wasn't schizophrenic: he didn't change personalities whenever he killed someone.
Paige: I don't really like Paige's telekinetic orbing. I know they were trying to differentiate her from Prue, but were the orbs necessary? Why couldn't she just have an ordinary witch power?
Phoebe's daughters: they're supposed to be half-witch, half-cupid: for me the idea is a bit corny. They will also probably get weird hybrid powers.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 27, 2015 7:29:15 GMT -5
I have a bit of a problem with hybrids myself, not as a general rule, but with the way Charmed handled them. Cole: whenever Cole did something bad, it was his demon half that was to blame: "it's his demon half that did it, his human half is innocent". What is this, Doctor Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Two different people with two different personalities who just happen to share the same body? In reality that's called schizophrenia, but Cole wasn't schizophrenic: he didn't change personalities whenever he killed someone. This is exactly my problem with it. I understand why they had Belthazor so that the sisters wouldn't know that the demon they're chasing is;Cole but Paige doesn't become someone totally different who's a perfect person when she's a whitelighter so why should Cole being a hybrid have this other personality - especially when it's so obvious that the way the show is set up, Belthazor is the true person (one who has been a mercenary demon for a hundred years) while Cole the lawyer is just the mask (the reason I would've preferred him as a lawyer who gave his soul to the Source so that he could turn into Belthazor when he wants). Cole being able to be good and be an innocent just because his demonic mother had sex with a human but who had nothing to do with Cole's upraising makes no sense. Think Cal Greene or Nathaniel Pratt, which is what Cole should've been more like after a hundred years as a mercenary demon - but no, that's just Belthazor, not Cole because Phoebe's love suddenly changes him after that many years - oh, give me a freakin' break! Exactly so. Chris just had the regular version of TK, why didn't Paige? I'd always want her to have the regular version along with orbing and nothing else - which is also what I'd want Wyatt and Chris to have - which is also what I'd want Cole the lawyer to have - the ability to turn into Belthazor and shimmer and throw energy balls *as* Belthazor, but not as Cole. Then the one who Phoebe would have to try to save is Cole, not just get rid of Belthazor - just getting rid of Belthazor wouldn't make him a good person - he'd have to change by showing regret for what he did as Belthazor, something he never did just like Chris never showed any regret for all of his lies, the main reason why I don't like these two "C's". |
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Post by Astral Alex on Feb 3, 2015 13:51:36 GMT -5
This is fun.
Personally, I think Paige's introduction was brilliantly handled and believable in the series anyway, so there isn't much I would change - if the circumstances were the same and the producers didn't have a chance to introduce her before Shannen left then really I don't think I would change anything!
If circumstances were different however then I'd introduce Paige as a colleague of Daryl's through Social Services, perhaps the sisters save a child or something which puts them into contact with her and she learns their secret in the same episode. I'd possibly replace this episode with "Exit Strategy" and the fact that Piper has just received her new power is the thing that gives their secret away. The following episode (which replaces the god awful "Look Who's Barking") shows Paige attempt to learn more about the sisters, and we learn that she is looking for her birth mother as well but in her quest to get to know them she visits the house just as The Source's henchman arrive, Paige's presence causes a power surge within the house and Prue, Piper and Phoebe are unable to use their powers properly - as a result Paige is injured, and Phoebe vanquishes the demons by stabbing them etc.
The following episode is All Hell Breaks Loose, Prue dies and so Charmed Again begins, when Paige is revealed to be their half-sister.
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Not to mention there would be no conflict, no drama and ultimately no story if everyone is just a pure witch and everything remains the same. 
