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Post by Kisses -A on Jun 22, 2015 0:15:23 GMT -5
A pilot was filmed but they had to dump it because that's when the WB went undergoing changes to The CW and they had all those most-cancelled shows air instead. At least that's what I heard.
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Post by BettyN on Jun 22, 2015 0:48:02 GMT -5
One thing I should point out to a few people: "Sexism against men" does NOT exist! Sexism equals "prejudice + power", so, by definition, women cannot be sexist against men because women lack institutional power. So, Grams was *prejudiced* against men (like many women of her age group... keep in mind that she came of age in the 1940s and 50s, when men treated women pretty rotten), but no, she was not sexist against them. You might as well start talking about "reverse racism." Anyways... Well, the oldest sibling is usually more powerful, so that's why Wyatt got the goods and Chris didn't. However, like many here, I hated the whole Twice-Blessed thing, myself. It made him WAY too powerful and it was just another part of the show becoming more about "kewl powerz" than stuff like, you know, character development. I was a huge supporter of the Charmed Sons idea, but ONLY if Wyatt was depowered (and only if he and Chris were the only Charmed kids, no cousins or sister). The fan spinoff Destined (which, sadly, last updated in 2007) had the right idea by depowering Wyatt, moving him and Chris to another city, and not giving them a pointless, token sister (we got the manticore baby from "Little Monsters" instead, and he had *excellent* dynamics with the boys). |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 22, 2015 1:58:27 GMT -5
Yes Wyatt was too powerful which I didn't like but since the show made him that way then the first time he used his powers unexpectidly leading to possible exposure which was the Siren episode with the flowers first thing Piper should've got an warning from someone like the Elders about trying to control fetus's powers because of what happened exposure wise previously with her, Prue and Phoebe even if Wyatt did it unknowingly and then when something big happened like the dragon thing the Cleaners should've said either Wyatt's powers were bounded or taken till he was grown up and could handle them properly or they kept up with their earlier threat and not brought Wyatt back or made the Charmed Ones disappear afterwards also even for their own power exposing later on.
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Post by cyma on Jun 22, 2015 13:30:22 GMT -5
The problem with using all six of the cousins is that it would be too expensive for a TV show to have six stars. They managed it on the Brady Bunch and other such shows when they were all kids - kids aren't paid as much as adults - but I'm sure that's not what you have in mind. In all of the virtual series roaming around, it works just fine - but not in real life. It's nine cousins actually  I don't know anything about Brady Bunch, but if you watch shows like Grey's Anatomy, Downton Abbey, Agents of Shield, Lost, Fringe, etc they managed to handle a large cast of characters easily. So maybe years ago it was impossible, but not anymore. |
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Post by tim66 on Jun 24, 2015 7:08:18 GMT -5
Cyma, the problem was never the size of the cast, but rather that the Brood Of Brats invalidated the whole premise of Charmed. It was supposed to be the Power Of Three, not the Power Of Fill In The Number of Brats.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jun 24, 2015 10:57:39 GMT -5
One thing I should point out to a few people: "Sexism against men" does NOT exist! Sexism equals "prejudice + power", so, by definition, women cannot be sexist against men because women lack institutional power. So, Grams was *prejudiced* against men (like many women of her age group... keep in mind that she came of age in the 1940s and 50s, when men treated women pretty rotten), but no, she was not sexist against them. You might as well start talking about "reverse racism." I completely disagree with that assertion, but I'll let these guys explain why as they've got it covered better than I do. On a related note, for the Wyatt thing, I'm gonna point towards what p3nathan said in the shoutbox. I don't want to copy and paste it in here simply because I'd like him to do so as he deserves credit for the post, but I'd like to sum it up as others have. Wyatt and Chris being the main players in the next generation is no more sexist than the Halliwell sisters being the Charmed Ones and bearing the Power of Three is—which, for the record, is not at all. A tag team or trio of powerful people happening to share the same gender is not a problem with me, and to suggest that it should be is an overreach IMO. Regarding the "Forever Charmed" flash-forward…yeah, I can understand closing the book on a happy note, so to speak, but it doesn't work in the case of Charmed. Brad Kern didn't just close the book, he effectively clasped it shut. Which is already creatively stifling for future adaptations or fanfiction stories that want to embrace the entire canon. But then you add in the fact that Charmed is such an open universe, and that the continuity regarding rules of engagement and the like has gone so far off the reservation, and it becomes doubly frustrating for those who take issue with the way a lot of things went down on the show. The only saving grace is that this is a world of magic, and thus the flash forward can be treated as a vision of a "possible" or "likely" future for any author that ultimately wants to subvert it in their work. As for the entire Legacy invalidating the premise of Charmed, the answer to that is limiting their powers. Twice-Blessed should be eventually retconned or taken out of play, preferably through revelations of a villain having engineered Wyatt's status for their own purposes. (I had a theory stating the Avatars would be the ones who did this, but it would have to be AU, as the show itself completely undersold what the gravity of that storyline could've been.) Phoebe's daughters accessing the Power of Three shouldn't be a thing they can naturally do on-call ever, but rather a rare situational power that takes a lot of energy out of them, since they were never the ones meant for it. And honestly, I would have Paige's kids be recurring characters instead of main, for the simple reason that she was the outlier, the one who came in late, the one who kept heart even when Phoebe and Piper didn't, so her kids being more of a special attraction kinda fits the bill. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 24, 2015 12:35:07 GMT -5
As for the entire Legacy invalidating the premise of Charmed, the answer to that is limiting their powers. Twice-Blessed should be eventually retconned or taken out of play, preferably through revelations of a villain having engineered Wyatt's status for their own purposes. (I had a theory stating the Avatars would be the ones who did this, but it would have to be AU, as the show itself completely undersold what the gravity of that storyline could've been.) You definitely have me curious about your theory regarding this, and since I love your alternate Season Five/Six theory, I would love to hear this. |
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Post by BettyN on Jun 24, 2015 13:55:20 GMT -5
Oh, look, an MRA blog. Surprise you just didn't send me over to A Voice for Men or some other obvious hate site.  "Sexism" refers to the institutional prejudice that men have historically inflicted upon women. One woman saying "men are pigs" is in no way equivalent to 1000+ years of patriarchy and deeply-entrenched prejudice against women. Using the term to refer to individual cases of women being mean to men dilutes its power and meaning... But, that's another discussion for another time. For the record, I don't think there's anything "inherently" sexist about Wyatt and Chris being boys (Big TCS supporter here!), but on the other hand, these are fictional characters, not people, and it was an obvious creative decision on Kern's part to make the oldest and most powerful of the Next Generation male. However, that still wouldn't be a problem in of itself if Wyatt and Chris were the only kids any of the sisters had (How I wish!), but unfortunately that wasn't the case. A shitload of story-related gender issues come up when you give Wyatt and Chris a younger sister: I could grudgingly accept Wyatt and Chris having a younger brother if I had to, because even a male P3 clone would be preferable to a lone younger, weaker token sister surrounded by men. And, let's not even get into all of those faceless, nameless cousins... If you ask me, I think that was Kern's EXACT intention with that flash-forward. He didn't get his Billie spinoff like he had hoped, so he ended the series in a way that effectively prevented anyone else from continuing it. TV Tropes calls it "Torch the Franchise and Run."Really, the only way fanfic writers can get around this ending is to either go AU (which rarely works out well) or do what Tim did and write about secondary/minor characters who were mostly unaffected by the finale. The likes of Rex and Hannah were never seen or heard from again after Season 1, so "Forever Charmed" has no bearing on their future. |
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jun 29, 2015 21:52:48 GMT -5
As for the entire Legacy invalidating the premise of Charmed, the answer to that is limiting their powers. Twice-Blessed should be eventually retconned or taken out of play, preferably through revelations of a villain having engineered Wyatt's status for their own purposes. (I had a theory stating the Avatars would be the ones who did this, but it would have to be AU, as the show itself completely undersold what the gravity of that storyline could've been.) You definitely have me curious about your theory regarding this, and since I love your alternate Season Five/Six theory, I would love to hear this. It was kinda part of it, remember? (Well, technically it was part of my alternate Season S EVEN, which I never got to finish detailing after we'd ironed out the kinks [blame a bad dust-up with a cleaner program that cost me my file for that], but still.) |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 30, 2015 6:57:21 GMT -5
LOL, shows you how bad my memory is - I truly hadn't recognized it as part of that - I didn't recognize that villain...
But so, so sorry to hear about your cleaner program giving you problems...what a pain!
I was wondering why you had stopped working on this...
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 17, 2015 14:12:44 GMT -5
CYMA, june 17:
"It’s this control that Chris demonstrates that would keep his brother, the powerhouse in line. He is the one who grounds Wyatt. The only reason (baring Gideon’s influence) that Wyatt went evil in the other future was because Chris was too devastated by the loss of his mother to keep in control, to keep his brother in line. Chris is the yin to Wyatt’s yang".
Getting back to what one was talking about
One of the member of Destined board was a PhD in History of Medieval Literature, I remeber long and intriguing debates about the difference between Wyatt and Chris
She claimed that is a bedrock of medieval literature that a powerful brother required a powerless brother,to save himself from the risk that his limitless power deprived him of humanity
Chris, with his behavior full of light and shadow, matched the literary figure of the reluctantly hero, who takes responsibility in spite of his ability: if the two brothers had equal powers, the story would be lacking of appeal
As I often recall, Wyatt is Twice Blessed because of the day he was born, not because of his parents: he belongs to a different prophecy that moves away from the Warren story
Wyatt inherited from Piper the fire power, from Leo the ability to orb and to heal, no other powers More and better, he has the ability to control the magic as he was a living Book of Shadows
Chris inherited the ability to move objects with his mind from Warren family, and he was good as Prue, and the ability to orb from his father: not always it's achievable to inherit everything, it's a law of the genetic
The link between the two brothers is glaring even in Future Chris when he speaks to his baby brother as if he was the adult one
My Three Wirches: Chris turns to Wyatt: It's your fault I have to do this now.
But Kill Bill 2 gets rid of every doubt: Wyatt knows that Chris has got the power, Chris is able to get back his big brother, it' a strong bond
The kind of bond that Supernatural took the opportunity to go on so many seasons
BTW, it's not by chance that when Sam begins to develop supernatural powers, Castiel asks Dean to stop him: the brother powerless is the key control
Baby's First Demon:
Crone: The witches have nothing compared to... This child is powerful beyond your understanding. What I have foreseen, is not to be ignored.
Parasite Demon #2: What? What did you see? What is he?
Crone: He is our end. We'll have nothing more to do with this... being.
The Elders, the Demons of the Tribunal, everyone agree about balance: maybe Gideon's worry began with Crone's vision,the Elders never asked for the end of Underworld
"this... being"' and his brother'ld be the engine of a myth different from that of their lineage but, as Dean and Sam, they can't be like peas in a pod
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Post by adzpower on Sept 17, 2015 18:15:06 GMT -5
Let's be honest Wyatt was only twice-blessed whatever the heck that means because of a plot device, make him ultra powerful just because he's the kid of a Charmed One and a whitelighter and to give them a storyline to use for season 6. It was extremely cliched, I would have found it mre interesting for him to have been an ordinary witch baby like the sisters, no flashy mega-ridiculous abilities, just a Warren power and his orbing.
As for Chris well I'm not surprised he has full mastery of his powers considering unlike the Charmed Ones he was raised with them and has been battling with them pretty much his entire life. I imagine he can do things with telekinesis that Prue could never have achieved considering she only had 3 years of experience versus Chris' 20.
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 18, 2015 4:23:57 GMT -5
Where and when it is said that Wyatt is Twicw Blessed because he is the kid of a Charmed One and a whitelighter No one ever said this It'ld be enough to watch the episode of Wyatt's birth -The Day The Magic Died: Cronyn: Oh, I have waited a life time for this. Stanley: The Aurora Borealis is a rare sight indeed, sir. (Stanley throws the wood onto the fire.) Cronyn: It's much more than that. Two centuries ago when I became an apprentice, I devoted my life to sorcery and the black arts. And do you know why? Stanley: No, sir. Cronyn: In the hope that an ancient prophecy, which my mentor kept hidden, would one day come to pass. Stanley: Has it? Cronyn: Well, look up. The signs are converging. The future of all magic hangs in the balance. And only I know it. - hoebe: What happened to magic? (No answer.) ................... Paige: Answer the lady's question. Merrill: Centuries ago, I unearthed a quatrain from the tomb of a wise apothecary. "When three planets burn as one over a sky of dancing light, magic will rest for a holy day to welcome a twice blessed child." Paige: Those are the signs that we saw. The Aurora Borealis, the planetary alignment, the wiccan Sabbath. Read more: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/user/8048/recent#ixzz3m50ks7HZ |
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Post by sol on Sept 22, 2015 16:09:30 GMT -5
Really impressive your post!
You are right, the talk of a powerful child, born from powerful parents concerning Phobe and Cole's child, not Wyatt
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Post by ljones on Oct 15, 2015 14:09:06 GMT -5
I don't agree. If "CHARMED" was really about balance, then it would have been a more ambiguous series.
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Post by sol on Oct 16, 2015 8:47:06 GMT -5
The concept of balance has never been very clear
One thing is to think of a danger as the Void trapped by Good and Evil, another is to think of two opposing forces that face each other being careful to maintain balance
It'ld be strange if no one wished to win
And if so what need there would be that the Charmed One blew down the Source?
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Post by TCSfan on Nov 4, 2015 5:44:58 GMT -5
ljones is right, in Charmed balance is only a word used the the elders when is useful to them
I think Wyatt was prophesied to come, Chris just happened when Leo and Piper were in the ghostly plan, that Leo was an Elder at conception doesn't affect him, the DNA is from Whitelighters,the increase of power is external and it'll be owned by those who will become Elders, it is not inheritable
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Post by ljones on Nov 27, 2015 15:21:49 GMT -5
I had pointed this out in another thread. I found it interesting that Chris had no problems with using his telekinesis on his older brother. Just how more powerful is Wyatt supposed to be?
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Post by adzpower on Nov 27, 2015 17:23:39 GMT -5
Wyatt isn't invincible, he had strong protections as a child but I imagine as an adult he stopped sub-consciously activating them. Evil Wyatt especially had a huge amount of arrogance so probably didn't think he'd need them. I think the only power that was only ever stated not to work on another good witch was the freezing power. So if Chris had that power instead he'd probably actually be able to freeze Wyatt.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Nov 28, 2015 7:41:17 GMT -5
Both could use their telekinesis on each other. We saw that in Chris Crossed, so no problem.
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I don't know anything about Brady Bunch, but if you watch shows like Grey's Anatomy, Downton Abbey, Agents of Shield, Lost, Fringe, etc they managed to handle a large cast of characters easily. So maybe years ago it was impossible, but not anymore. 
