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Post by West on Jul 30, 2015 18:45:22 GMT -5
A non magical couple as primary relationship is so much better. The magical and mortal world dramas are better than a magical one. It would feel more realastic and have a better balance in the show. *nods* Exactly so. They tried to bring that with Darryl, but it just didn't work the same way. Agreed, why Andy should of stayed. Him and Daryl would of worked well together. Daryl's character could stay but the added element of still having a partner would add more to his character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 17:27:46 GMT -5
Perhaps they would have not cut his character for the final season.
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Post by sol on Oct 9, 2015 11:23:55 GMT -5
I like the whitelighter idea and I'ld like more if they had only the role as counselors and healers when it was necessary
Instead I've never endured the Elders, they'l be the bosses of the withelighters not of the witches
In the Book of Shadows it's written that the witches help the innocents not that they have to be recruited as fighters against the demons!
I did't like that they gave orders to the sisters nor I liked that they could take or give the powers
I'ld have preferred that the Elders were distant and silent and mysterious and not and petulant and full of odd rules
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Post by Chrisaholic on Oct 11, 2015 8:52:13 GMT -5
I think that with S3, whitelighter and later on Elders became more important in the sisters' lives. Plus, in S6, they had Chris' future knowledge which wasn't helpful as well. I say, the Elders had their own goals in mind and some would never agree with "mortal" wishes, so to speak.  |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 27, 2017 7:31:22 GMT -5
Maybe the show would be more enjoyable. But I actually would that it back slightly, the mythology of the elders is fine, if they remain nameless and never get shown. Whitelighters only being used to help new witches and gone after season 1.
So, maybe they are good in small doses. No need to expand on them.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 27, 2017 14:14:28 GMT -5
Maybe the show would be more enjoyable. But I actually would that it back slightly, the mythology of the elders is fine, if they remain nameless and never get shown. Whitelighters only being used to help new witches and gone after season 1. So, maybe they are good in small doses. No need to expand on them. That'd been good certainly. |
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Post by craig on Mar 5, 2017 3:38:26 GMT -5
Well I loved Secrets and Guys, one of my favorites from season 1. So I don't want them to be gone completely. But Ruth, I agree with you making them only mentioned as part of the mythology and never seen the Elders.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 5, 2017 3:40:28 GMT -5
Well I loved Secrets and Guys, one of my favorites from season 1. So I don't want them to be gone completely. But Ruth, I agree with you making them only mentioned as part of the mythology and never seen the Elders. No your right. I love that episode too, I recall we discussed that episode in the shoutbox. That a non demon episode is why it made it so good. |
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Post by craig on Mar 5, 2017 3:41:52 GMT -5
Well I loved Secrets and Guys, one of my favorites from season 1. So I don't want them to be gone completely. But Ruth, I agree with you making them only mentioned as part of the mythology and never seen the Elders. No your right. I love that episode too, I recall we discussed that episode in the shoutbox. That a non demon episode is why it made it so good. Wasn't it. I liked how they handled the Whitelighters and Elders (Founders) in season 1. It is what they did to them in season 3 and 5 that I hated. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 12, 2021 16:04:32 GMT -5
For me, the whitelighters were rubbish the moment they were introduced. I never liked the concept from the start. I do feel similarly. I didn't like the concept of Leo being able to heal the book in Wicca Envy. But, IK and understand the art of Plot Armor LOL Without the concept of Whitelighters, however we wouldn't have Paige, and I like Paige. But, their introduction really opened up a can of worms LOL |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 16, 2021 19:40:42 GMT -5
For me, the whitelighters were rubbish the moment they were introduced. I never liked the concept from the start. I do feel similarly. I didn't like the concept of Leo being able to heal the book in Wicca Envy. But, IK and understand the art of Plot Armor LOL Without the concept of Whitelighters, however we wouldn't have Paige, and I like Paige. But, their introduction really opened up a can of worms LOL Well, I did muse over this in the “ No whitelighters or Leo but a different mentor/guide?” thread, where I concluded that Paige could still exist, but she’d be a very different Paige. As for what would happen in Wicca Envy? Maybe one day you’ll find out. 😎 |
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Post by The Crone on Sept 16, 2021 21:09:16 GMT -5
I do feel similarly. I didn't like the concept of Leo being able to heal the book in Wicca Envy. But, IK and understand the art of Plot Armor LOL Without the concept of Whitelighters, however we wouldn't have Paige, and I like Paige. But, their introduction really opened up a can of worms LOL Well, I did muse over this in the “ No whitelighters or Leo but a different mentor/guide?” thread, where I concluded that Paige could still exist, but she’d be a very different Paige. As for what would happen in Wicca Envy? Maybe one day you’ll find out. 😎 I agree, I think they'd make Paige half-demon like Cole or her father was a warlock or even a descendant of the Phoenix family like Bianca or Gypsies. Even if P3 H20 didn't exist with Sam. I don't think no whitelighters means no Paige, she'd just have a different backstory. Maybe Paige would be the half older sister that Patty had before marrying/meeting Victor. It might be easier to come up with some backstory if she was born before Patty met Victor and had Prue, than trying to figure out how to make her fit as the child she had after Phoebe. Unless Patty had a childhood sweetheart she met as a teenager and falls back in love with once she divorced Victor and had Phoebe. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 17, 2021 1:35:51 GMT -5
Well, I did muse over this in the “ No whitelighters or Leo but a different mentor/guide?” thread, where I concluded that Paige could still exist, but she’d be a very different Paige. As for what would happen in Wicca Envy? Maybe one day you’ll find out. 😎 I agree, I think they'd make Paige half-demon like Cole or her father was a warlock or even a descendant of the Phoenix family like Bianca or Gypsies. Even if P3 H20 didn't exist with Sam. I don't think no whitelighters means no Paige, she'd just have a different backstory. Maybe Paige would be the half older sister that Patty had before marrying/meeting Victor. It might be easier to come up with some backstory if she was born before Patty met Victor and had Prue, than trying to figure out how to make her fit as the child she had after Phoebe. Unless Patty had a childhood sweetheart she met as a teenager and falls back in love with once she divorced Victor and had Phoebe. I like to think that no whitelighter means no Paige and maybe Charmed would've ended when I think it should've: When Shax says, "The end"! Either that or that Piper and Phoebe have to figure out how to go on without the Power of Three. Fans only accepted Paige as a half-whitelighter due to P3 H2O. I truly don't think they would've if P3 H2O didn't exist - or if they'd followed the rule Leo talked about in S1 - where witches only have whitelighters during their first year as witches. For that matter, without P3 H2O and no Paige, maybe all three sisters would've survived for one more season... If only...we might be enjoying "Charmed: The Next Generation" rather than ignoring "Charmed: The Rip-Off", especially if Kern was no longer part of it! |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 17, 2021 16:52:21 GMT -5
Well, I did muse over this in the “ No whitelighters or Leo but a different mentor/guide?” thread, where I concluded that Paige could still exist, but she’d be a very different Paige. As for what would happen in Wicca Envy? Maybe one day you’ll find out. 😎 What I meant to say was...we wouldn't have Paige as we know her. I'm intrigued with the concept of Paige being a half-demon, but it's still not the same Paige, as we know her ;P And, one of these days ;P I'm going episode by episode, in this thread regarding re-writing every season. I haven't gotten to "Wicca Envy", yet. I kind of stopped at "Dead Man Dating", but the gears in my head are still turning! ;P |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 17, 2021 17:03:11 GMT -5
Well, I did muse over this in the “ No whitelighters or Leo but a different mentor/guide?” thread, where I concluded that Paige could still exist, but she’d be a very different Paige. As for what would happen in Wicca Envy? Maybe one day you’ll find out. 😎 What I meant to say was...we wouldn't have Paige as we know her. I'm intrigued with the concept of Paige being a half-demon, but it's still not the same Paige, as we know her ;P And, one of these days ;P I'm going episode by episode, in this thread regarding re-writing every season. I haven't gotten to "Wicca Envy", yet. I kind of stopped at "Dead Man Dating", but the gears in my head are still turning! ;P Well, she wouldn’t be half-demon. I really only have two ideas for different Charmed fanfics and/or fic series (coincidentally enough, both are Paige-centric, but otherwise have absolutely nothing to do with each other), but at the risk of giving away potential spoilers, one thing they have in common is that demons are, well, demonic, not just guys in black outfits. Masselin, the water demon, the shocker demon, maybe Shax… That sort of thing. They definitely can’t crossbreed with humans. Warlocks were built up the main - and major - threat to witches, and they’re going to stay that way. 😉 |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 17, 2021 17:31:21 GMT -5
Well, she wouldn’t be half-demon. I really only have two ideas for different Charmed fanfics and/or fic series (coincidentally enough, both are Paige-centric, but otherwise have absolutely nothing to do with each other), but at the risk of giving away potential spoilers, one thing they have in common is that demons are, well, demonic, not just guys in black outfits. Masselin, the water demon, the shocker demon, maybe Shax… That sort of thing. They definitely can’t crossbreed with humans. Warlocks were built up the main - and major - threat to witches, and they’re going to stay that way. 😉 Heh, sounds interesting. I'm sure I'll get to it, when I'm done with all these discussion threads LOL But, I don't want derail this thread's initial subject, too much. Just wanted to express that your idea sounds interesting. I still think the concept of elders and/or whitelighters did open up a can of worms. |
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Post by The Crone on Sept 28, 2021 2:38:09 GMT -5
I agree, I think they'd make Paige half-demon like Cole or her father was a warlock or even a descendant of the Phoenix family like Bianca or Gypsies. Even if P3 H20 didn't exist with Sam. I don't think no whitelighters means no Paige, she'd just have a different backstory. Maybe Paige would be the half older sister that Patty had before marrying/meeting Victor. It might be easier to come up with some backstory if she was born before Patty met Victor and had Prue, than trying to figure out how to make her fit as the child she had after Phoebe. Unless Patty had a childhood sweetheart she met as a teenager and falls back in love with once she divorced Victor and had Phoebe. I like to think that no whitelighter means no Paige and maybe Charmed would've ended when I think it should've: When Shax says, "The end"! Either that or that Piper and Phoebe have to figure out how to go on without the Power of Three. Fans only accepted Paige as a half-whitelighter due to P3 H2O. I truly don't think they would've if P3 H2O didn't exist - or if they'd followed the rule Leo talked about in S1 - where witches only have whitelighters during their first year as witches. For that matter, without P3 H2O and no Paige, maybe all three sisters would've survived for one more season... If only...we might be enjoying "Charmed: The Next Generation" rather than ignoring "Charmed: The Rip-Off", especially if Kern was no longer part of it! If only that happened Es. I'd be much happier if they did that. And you bring up a good point, they might not have accepted Paige if it wasn't for P3 H20. I certainly wouldn't have minded if they continued on without the Power of Three for another season, maybe even delaying Paige's introduction until S5, or added her in mid-way through S5, but started her her as a recurring guest star not a star right away. Television Shows have this habit of just replacing a lead or star right off the bat (I like shows more where they don't, and those first two or three episodes are devoted to mourning the character killed off, and then introduced their replacement in episode 3 or 4. ) once the star leaves or is fired. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it comes across as forced. I don't see why a show can't just continue for a bit without a replacement introduced right away, and just let the remaining stars continue on without them for a while. |
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Post by Sasha on Sept 28, 2021 2:51:45 GMT -5
I like to think that no whitelighter means no Paige and maybe Charmed would've ended when I think it should've: When Shax says, "The end"! Either that or that Piper and Phoebe have to figure out how to go on without the Power of Three. Fans only accepted Paige as a half-whitelighter due to P3 H2O. I truly don't think they would've if P3 H2O didn't exist - or if they'd followed the rule Leo talked about in S1 - where witches only have whitelighters during their first year as witches. For that matter, without P3 H2O and no Paige, maybe all three sisters would've survived for one more season... If only...we might be enjoying "Charmed: The Next Generation" rather than ignoring "Charmed: The Rip-Off", especially if Kern was no longer part of it! If only that happened Es. I'd be much happier if they did that. And you bring up a good point, they might not have accepted Paige if it wasn't for P3 H20. I certainly wouldn't have minded if they continued on without the Power of Three for another season, maybe even delaying Paige's introduction until S5, or added her in mid-way through S5, but started her her as a recurring guest star not a star right away. Television Shows have this habit of just replacing a lead or star right off the bat (I like shows more where they don't, and those first two or three episodes are devoted to mourning the character killed off, and then introduced their replacement in episode 3 or 4. ) once the star leaves or is fired. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it comes across as forced. I don't see why a show can't just continue for a bit without a replacement introduced right away, and just let the remaining stars continue on without them for a while. Well the Power of Three was never that essential and needed in every single episode, most of the time they didn't even use it to vanquish demons. They did more power of three spells in S1-S3 than S4-S8. I think I'd have preferred that, Paige not introduced right away, and letting Piper and Phoebe get by with Leo and Cole's help for at least half a season. Without the backstory of P3 H20, I don't think they would've until they really figured out who they wanted the half-sister to be. Does makes me wonder if Andy had stuck around, if Prue would even be killed. What if Prue and Andy continued on as a couple. Would they have still killed Prue off. Imagine if they did go ahead and kill off Phoebe instead. But back to the question, if Leo and whitelighters were never introduced, meaning P3 H20 never happened, I wonder if all three may have survived and or if they'd carry on without Prue. Actually, I'm more inclined to believe, they may seriously have gone ahead recasting Prue. Maybe they would have figured out a way to explain why her appearance has changed, either something like the comics, or the typical soap opera way of her face is burned. Perhaps while trying to rescue Phoebe from the underworld. |
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Post by Elle Em on Sept 28, 2021 7:08:47 GMT -5
Does makes me wonder if Andy had stuck around, if Prue would even be killed. What if Prue and Andy continued on as a couple. Would they have still killed Prue off. Imagine if they did go ahead and kill off Phoebe instead. I could see a ripple effect of Andy staying because Leo doesn't exist, and he and Prue having an on again/off again relationship. Phoebe is then the one who is primarily single because of her free spirit nature, and therefore is the most expendable because her character wouldn't be romantically tied to another. Although if they kept Andy and still introduced Cole, then maybe they'd keep Piper single and have her be the one killed off. I think if Piper is the one who leaves, the show would not last for long afterwards, but in my opinion it would be the most interesting way to carry the series forward. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 28, 2021 8:17:09 GMT -5
Personally I think Prue would still be the one who dies due to what happened offscreen with Shannen Doherty and Brad Kern and Aaron Spelling. She's the one they wanted out. Perhaps Andy would die at the same time, or he'd stick around and maybe end up being matched with Paige. I don't know, but although I agree that I like the idea of Prue with Andy and Phoebe with Cole (even if it's prefer it the other way around...) so Piper is the one who dies, I truly don't think that's what would've happened.
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