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Post by West on Jul 10, 2015 21:50:43 GMT -5
Posting in a Leo's Abilities as a guide got me thinking, what if the show never introduced Elders and Whitelighters, and the series was more grounded without them, and it simply had a feel similar to season 1, with the charmed ones against the demons and the influence of the real world in regards to the law and Andy and Daryl.
Or what if Leo had left after season 1 as originally intended, and the
elders stayed known as them or they, and whitelighters were only guides
for first year witches.
How would the show have gone about?
Could you see one of the sisters getting the power of healing, or would they have introduced another ally who had the power to heal or a boyfriend doctor for natural healing injuries? or the charmed ones make potions that can be used to treat injuries?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 17:16:09 GMT -5
Well, I think the show would've been more suspenseful and grounded in reality. No more easy deus ex machina solutions to everything. Whenever a sister gets badly hurt or dies, it actually means something because there's nobody to pop in and hold a glowing hand over them. And, the sisters would *gasp* actually have to use their cars to go places again. No more hopping aboard the magical taxis known as Leo and Paige... And, speaking of Paige, no more "witchlighters," either, so no more whitelighter powers being seen as stronger and more important than witchcraft.
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Post by adzpower on Jul 11, 2015 17:52:44 GMT -5
There's no way to know how different it would have been. Not introducing whitelighters may not have stopped them from introducing other rubbish like leprechauns and trolls.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 18:09:46 GMT -5
Anyone get the impression that Paige more or less became the family car. I mean I heard of saving gas money, but really... However, white lighters did become the convenient deus ex machina, even early on. I mean it was LEO, not the Charmed Ones, that stopped Rex and Hannah. R&H had the sisters dead to rights, only Leo's intervention changed that. Now, imagine the show without white lighters. Oh noes, the sisters might actually have to DRIVE to get places  |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 11, 2015 19:12:28 GMT -5
And no Wyatt, Paige or Chris obviously.
Yes the show would've had more element of danger in it being that the sisters could've actually died there were they ever hurt badly like Piper was in 'Awakened' and 'All Bell Breaks Loose' which would've really screwed up the P03 then and made the show more suspensful to.
Leo wouldn't have been a door mat sorry and the halliwell's would have had to have actually done research when investigating cases instead of asking Leo to go up there and find out who the demon of the week was I.E. using the book of shadows and internet etc.
Perhaps had whitelighters only been in the show a year till they no longer needed to guide witches like Leo if he'd truly left post 'Love Hurts' then maybe people would've enjoyed Charmed more I don't know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2015 19:53:47 GMT -5
And no Wyatt, Paige or Chris obviously. Yes the show would've had more element of danger in it being that the sisters could've actually died there were they ever hurt badly like Piper was in 'Awakened' and 'All Bell Breaks Loose' which would've really screwed up the P03 then and made the show more suspensful to. Leo wouldn't have been a door mat sorry and the halliwell's would have had to have actually done research when investigating cases instead of asking Leo to go up there and find out who the demon of the week was I.E. using the book of shadows and internet etc. Perhaps had whitelighters only been in the show a year till they no longer needed to guide witches like Leo if he'd truly left post 'Love Hurts' then maybe people would've enjoyed Charmed more I don't know. Geez, when you think about it, the sisters really relied on Leo A LOT, didn't they? Not only was he their doctor and taxi cab but also their encyclopedia and fetch boy. They no longer had to do any actual work, themselves, once he came into the picture.  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 11, 2015 20:46:27 GMT -5
And no Wyatt, Paige or Chris obviously. Yes the show would've had more element of danger in it being that the sisters could've actually died there were they ever hurt badly like Piper was in 'Awakened' and 'All Bell Breaks Loose' which would've really screwed up the P03 then and made the show more suspensful to. Leo wouldn't have been a door mat sorry and the halliwell's would have had to have actually done research when investigating cases instead of asking Leo to go up there and find out who the demon of the week was I.E. using the book of shadows and internet etc. Perhaps had whitelighters only been in the show a year till they no longer needed to guide witches like Leo if he'd truly left post 'Love Hurts' then maybe people would've enjoyed Charmed more I don't know. Geez, when you think about it, the sisters really relied on Leo A LOT, didn't they? Not only was he their doctor and taxi cab but also their encyclopedia and fetch boy. They no longer had to do any actual work, themselves, once he came into the picture. Which is why I think the series would've been so much better if he'd stayed gone after Season One. I really would've liked to have seen how the show would've gone with Prue and Andy - a non-magical - as the main couple rather than Piper and Leo. Especially because I can't see Shannen signing her second contract, so the series would've ended after Season Four (no mermaids, no leprechauns, no goddesses, no Valkyries, no slampieces, no children, especially no Twice-Blessed Brat and his time-screwing-up brother...so much better!) as it should've. Oh, undoubtedly TheWB would still want something horrible and still screwed the thing up, but without S5-8, it wouldn't have been as bad. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 0:02:54 GMT -5
You got that right.
Piper: LEO!
Leo: Yes, my liege, er, honey.
Piper: My latte is cold!
Leo: I'll get you another one, my liege, uh, sweety.
Piper: Make it snappy!
Leo: I exist but to serve you, my liege, I mean, dear.
Piper: Damn straight!
And so...
Leo: Here is your latte, my liege, uh, my love.
Piper: This one is cold too! God, you're useless. Blows Leo up. Why can't I have a normal life!?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 12, 2015 11:56:54 GMT -5
I'm surprised the Elders didn't change things permantely after Sam and Patty's affair in terms of pairing whitelighters with charges being that male witches got male whitelighters and female witches got female whitelighters stopping anything like that happening again
I.E. Piper and Leo, Wyatt and Chris unless the writers thought that might've been deemed sexist then I don't know although same sex relationships could've happened still I suppose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2015 12:05:19 GMT -5
Ah, but what about gays and lesbians.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 12, 2015 12:10:41 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking of and just updated yeah.
I thought maybe they could go with the opposite sex but then you've got the bisexuals also so that'd be hard there unless both weren't assigned one another period and witches just learned the craft themselves or were taught by relatives who were them also or joined a covern maybe.
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Post by ljones on Jul 13, 2015 11:26:03 GMT -5
There's no way to know how different it would have been. Not introducing whitelighters may not have stopped them from introducing other rubbish like leprechauns and trolls. I'm afraid you're right. At least the witches would never find themselves being controlled by a group of supernatural beings who are more interested in using them as weapons, instead of allowing them to lead their lives (whether they hunt demons or not). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2015 11:30:24 GMT -5
One has to wonder what would have happened had Constance Burge stayed in control. While she did introduce white lighters, most of the Elders rubbish happened after Kern seized power.
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Post by ljones on Jul 24, 2015 23:00:54 GMT -5
For me, the whitelighters were rubbish the moment they were introduced. I never liked the concept from the start.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 0:20:20 GMT -5
Another idea that should have never made it past Season One.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 10:31:29 GMT -5
Another idea that should have never made it past Season One. Well, I think "Love Hurts" was originally supposed to be Leo's final episode. Had it been, that might've been the last we had seen of whitelighters or Founders/Elders. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 11:52:03 GMT -5
Ah, if only that had happened.
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Post by West on Jul 30, 2015 18:18:59 GMT -5
Geez, when you think about it, the sisters really relied on Leo A LOT, didn't they? Not only was he their doctor and taxi cab but also their encyclopedia and fetch boy. They no longer had to do any actual work, themselves, once he came into the picture. Which is why I think the series would've been so much better if he'd stayed gone after Season One. I really would've liked to have seen how the show would've gone with Prue and Andy - a non-magical - as the main couple rather than Piper and Leo. Especially because I can't see Shannen signing her second contract, so the series would've ended after Season Four (no mermaids, no leprechauns, no goddesses, no Valkyries, no slampieces, no children, especially no Twice-Blessed Brat and his time-screwing-up brother...so much better!) as it should've. Oh, undoubtedly TheWB would still want something horrible and still screwed the thing up, but without S5-8, it wouldn't have been as bad. A non magical couple as primary relationship is so much better. The magical and mortal world dramas are better than a magical one. It would feel more realastic and have a better balance in the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 18:36:30 GMT -5
A non magical couple as primary relationship is so much better. The magical and mortal world dramas are better than a magical one. It would feel more realastic and have a better balance in the show. Well, the show started off with a pretty good one in Prue/Andy, but we all know what happened there.  Paige and Henry also made a good couple, but they didn't happen until the last season, and like most things from that season, they were badly handled. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 30, 2015 18:37:30 GMT -5
Which is why I think the series would've been so much better if he'd stayed gone after Season One. I really would've liked to have seen how the show would've gone with Prue and Andy - a non-magical - as the main couple rather than Piper and Leo. Especially because I can't see Shannen signing her second contract, so the series would've ended after Season Four (no mermaids, no leprechauns, no goddesses, no Valkyries, no slampieces, no children, especially no Twice-Blessed Brat and his time-screwing-up brother...so much better!) as it should've. Oh, undoubtedly TheWB would still want something horrible and still screwed the thing up, but without S5-8, it wouldn't have been as bad. A non magical couple as primary relationship is so much better. The magical and mortal world dramas are better than a magical one. It would feel more realastic and have a better balance in the show. *nods* Exactly so. They tried to bring that with Darryl, but it just didn't work the same way. |
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