Humans Knowing About the Existence of Demons - Ex Libris

[jdpm1991]

Does anybody else wish we got more of this? I really liked this concept in "Ex Libris" and I wish they used it more. Only human we know that knows about demons is Darryl and his wife and Victor

[Sadrick]

If the show were consistent in that way, the sisters would have to be constantly looking out for most of the innocents which they saved because they would have been made aware of the supernatural in some way. The Underworld having a system in place to cover its tracks is one thing, but it also opens up a can of worms on what qualifies as a viable target for assassination.

I find it difficult to believe that out of 6 billion people, only a small handful are aware of the existence of demons. For that matter - how is it that the Charmed Ones could decimate the entire ranks of the demonic underworld? Jeremy first claimed that there were millions like him, yet fast forward eight years and we have evil's side being in shambles after a few hundred to one thousand vanquishes. Something tells me that the type of demons the Charmed Ones encountered wouldn't necessarily be the same as a demon situated in some other countries around the world like Bulgaria, Cameroon, or Thailand.

Are you going to tell me that every demon in the world is some leather-clad English speaking Dark Ages wannabe?

[Deleted]

Something tells me that the type of demons the Charmed Ones encountered wouldn't necessarily be the same as a demon situated in some other countries around the world like Bulgaria, Cameroon, or Thailand.

True, since the Halliwell sisters never ventured out of San Francisco. 

Are you going to tell me that every demon in the world is some leather-clad English speaking Dark Ages wannabe?

Imagine the Charmed Ones going after the Supernatural demons?  The Halliwell sisters would have their a**es handed to them before you could say "boo."

[adzpower]

If the show was in the least bit consistent then no humans at all should know about the existence of magic thanks to the cleaners.

[Esmeralda]

Aug 31, 2015 4:25:23 GMT -5 adzpower said:

If the show was in the least bit consistent then no humans at all should know about the existence of magic thanks to the cleaners.

Amen. If it was consistent, the Charmed Ones should've been cleaned out the moment a human (Andy, Darryl and Henry included...) found out - which also means that Penny should've been cleaned out when Allen found out and if she didn't, then Patty when Victor found out or even when Past Dan from "Pardon My Past" found out. That's how stupid the idea of the Cleaners is.

That's how consistency should've been handled - the Cleaners should've been cleaned out before they were ever shown.

[lordumbrex]

Personally, I think the Cleaners were meant for large scale exposure, not individual revelations. If a human that had been told of the magical world went to the media, then the Cleaners would have shown up, but if not, the Cleaners played no part (at least until the Darryl on deathrow thing, got to be honest, don't really remember those episodes).

[Melinda Halliwell]

Yeah I think Ex Libris demons only intervened if individuals found out supernatural beings existed like what happened with Charleen Hughes obviously.

In terms of the Cleaners as lordumbrex said they wouldn't have intervened as A. It wasn't the same as what happened with the Charmed Ones obviously. B. They weren't introduced till season 6 anyway. And C. Charleen had already been dealt with thus eliminating the exposure threat coincidentally.

Of course people will react differently to Demons and Warlocks existing which Charmed showcased with Darryl, Kyle, Glen and Andy retrospectively. Some might accept it whilst others not in that case so it all comes down to the individual personally and what they do with that information determining whether the Cleaners intervene or not then.

[ShadowCat]

Aug 9, 2016 19:56:48 GMT -5 lordumbrex said:

Personally, I think the Cleaners were meant for large scale exposure, not individual revelations. If a human that had been told of the magical world went to the media, then the Cleaners would have shown up, but if not, the Cleaners played no part (at least until the Darryl on deathrow thing, got to be honest, don't really remember those episodes).

I agree totally. I have seen things I can't explain and usually I keep my mouth shut. I do not fear reprisal from outside scources only my own kind. Note: ExLibris was the first episode I ever saw. I was hooked.

[Elle Em]

Charleen also wanted to publish her findings. It wasn't like she interacted with the Charmed Ones, learned about magic, and kept her mouth shut.

[ShadowCat]

Interesting point Elle Em. What do you suppose could have happened if she had lived long enough to publish? I have never entertained that line of thinking. Cleaners??

[Melinda Halliwell]

If they had existed I think the Cleaners would've intervened though saying that would people have believed Charleen anyway or just thought she was crazy 'cause it would've only being a phesis she wrote and not video evidence like they saw with the Charmed Ones a year later then?

[lordumbrex]

Even if the Cleaners did exist at that point, and I don't think they did, they might not have intervened because it was her destiny to die before she published her findings. If they always knew she would die beforehand and nothing would come about her findings, they might not waste their time.

[Deleted]

The Cleaners must have been either on strike or on vacation when All Hell Breaks Loose happened.

[Chrisaholic]

But how would they have known the sisters' history with cops if they hadn't watched over from the start? Just remember the Tribunal scene there. They showed Andy's death and all. That doesn't make sense, in a way.

[Elle Em]

The Cleaners contradict themselves in many ways once we know of their existence. I don't know why, as an in-show reason, they didn't just wipe Charleen's memory of her research. Or maybe they did and something led her back to it again. This is a hard one to try to figure out.

[lordumbrex]

Aug 12, 2016 8:39:24 GMT -5 Chrisaholic said:

But how would they have known the sisters' history with cops if they hadn't watched over from the start? Just remember the Tribunal scene there. They showed Andy's death and all. That doesn't make sense, in a way.

Don't take this the wrong way, because I don't at all mean it as it's going to come up, but....magic. It's a show where the Angel of Destiny comes down to Earth in a ball of light, where Yama takes souls, where someone can see what happened 100 years ago with retrocognition, I'm not sure recalling what happened in the past is too hard for a group that can erase the memory of a dragon from the world would be too hard.

Plus, two of the Tribunal members where Elders, who probably were watching over the sisters from the start. Doesn't mean they couldn't impart that knowledge to the Cleaners once they had been formed after AHBL.

[Chrisaholic]

Yeah, but still watch that scene again when Barbas questioned one of the Cleaners. There it is mentioned. You'll see. Of course, the sisters were watched by both parties, above and in the underworld.

[Melinda Halliwell]

Yes the Cleaners were mentioned to have been part of the sisters lives before their introduction which puzzled me why they weren't there AHBL but then I just put that down to writers inconsistency or the fact magic hadn't been exposed that badly before so they were only created afterwards to the fact.

[Chrisaholic]

Could be true. The great and famous inconsistency works here again! Really weird.

[Deleted]

The Halliwell sisters should have called the Cleaners out on this.

Piper:  Where the hell were you guys three years ago!?  Our sister, Prue, might still be alive if you'd gotten off your butts and did your damned job!