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Post by gzv969 on Mar 1, 2017 1:58:30 GMT -5
As far as the ex Libris demons. It's just what they love to do. "Go after humans that have found unequivocal proof that demons exist". According to what they read in the BOS. For this particular ex Libris demon, he seemed a lot like the particular book "The Encyclopedia of Demons" was his lure. Seemed like that book was being used by him as bait to pick out those humans seriously digging into the knowledge of demons. Trying to read the book is what got charlene killed and almost Phoebe killed. Don't think Charlene would have died if she didn't go for that book.
On the topic of the cleaners. My own opinion is that they were formally probably neutral and sat by and watched on almost everything the sisters did, allowing them to resolve all their problems themselves until AHBL happened. That went too far as good and evil had to meet and discuss on how to fix the situation with evil (the source) eventually sort of getting the upper hand on the situation. Wiping everyone's memory probably wasn't enough at that time. Piper was dead and they had attacked shax in public and now shax was attacking like a brute wherever and whenever in public. Time had to be reversed. After this the tribunal probably got set up to provide a more balanced decision process between both sides when things got out of hand like this the next time. And they probably allowed the cleaners to keep a closer eye on the charmed ones and allowed them to step in if they felt there was another major threat of exposure. And the cleaners ended up developing more of a distrust relationship with the sisters which wasn't good. The sisters messed with their precious cosmic balance. Wait, that was the angel of deaths issue. LOL .
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 4, 2017 19:03:40 GMT -5
Before I commented on "Ex Libris", I decided to do a re-watch. This was fun and brought back fond memories of the show, as this is the first episode that I caught. It will always be one of my favorites as like the girls ... it contains a triangle that I love. We have an evil demon, a nasty human and the wonderful unity with the sisters that we eventually lost. The first time I viewed this I didn't shed a tear, I did this time realizing what would be taken from us in the future.
I didn't notice the first time around, but now watching mostly for study ... I would have to call this, the grand daddy issue episode. We have the birthday card for a dead-beat dad, the hands on father who lost his daughter, the professor parent who can not acknowledge his child's academic abilities, and a white-lighter who doesn't want to talk about the man that raised him. Ah, wow?
Okay, I digress.
As far as Charlene escaping death if she had not reached for that book, is a question mark in my mind. Since her father was a teacher dealing with metaphysical studies, considering what that consist of one must first ask is he pro or con. Well, con obviously. Now if he had been pro, would his daughter have moved in a different direction? I got the feeling she would have purposely gravitated to the other side regardless of the topic.
I then had to wonder why her father was teaching a course he didn't subscribe to. Did he actually believe in their existence, but wanted to lead young minds away from it? In the process of doing so, and the friction between him and Charlene, did her rebellion put her in harms way? Than again, could this have been a warning to Prof. Hughes to stop teaching a class that incites research into the subject?
This brings me to her actually touching the book. I would gather that many students used the same reference text with no repercussions. So I wonder if this wasn't specific to her or any book she chose that had to do with her research.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 5, 2017 3:46:15 GMT -5
Before I commented on "Ex Libris", I decided to do a re-watch. This was fun and brought back fond memories of the show, as this is the first episode that I caught. It will always be one of my favorites as like the girls ... it contains a triangle that I love. We have an evil demon, a nasty human and the wonderful unity with the sisters that we eventually lost. The first time I viewed this I didn't shed a tear, I did this time realizing what would be taken from us in the future. I didn't notice the first time around, but now watching mostly for study ... I would have to call this, the grand daddy issue episode. We have the birthday card for a dead-beat dad, the hands on father who lost his daughter, the professor parent who can not acknowledge his child's academic abilities, and a white-lighter who doesn't want to talk about the man that raised him. Ah, wow? Okay, I digress. As far as Charlene escaping death if she had not reached for that book, is a question mark in my mind. Since her father was a teacher dealing with metaphysical studies, considering what that consist of one must first ask is he pro or con. Well, con obviously. Now if he had been pro, would his daughter have moved in a different direction? I got the feeling she would have purposely gravitated to the other side regardless of the topic. I then had to wonder why her father was teaching a course he didn't subscribe to. Did he actually believe in their existence, but wanted to lead young minds away from it? In the process of doing so, and the friction between him and Charlene, did her rebellion put her in harms way? Than again, could this have been a warning to Prof. Hughes to stop teaching a class that incites research into the subject? This brings me to her actually touching the book. I would gather that many students used the same reference text with no repercussions. So I wonder if this wasn't specific to her or any book she chose that had to do with her research. Wasn't this such a great episode SC. I liked that each sister had their own story to deal with. Such a touching episode, and now you have made me wish to rewatch it SC, so I thank you. Great points you brought to the table on Charlene. |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 6, 2017 3:17:29 GMT -5
Before I commented on "Ex Libris", I decided to do a re-watch. This was fun and brought back fond memories of the show, as this is the first episode that I caught. It will always be one of my favorites as like the girls ... it contains a triangle that I love. We have an evil demon, a nasty human and the wonderful unity with the sisters that we eventually lost. The first time I viewed this I didn't shed a tear, I did this time realizing what would be taken from us in the future. I didn't notice the first time around, but now watching mostly for study ... I would have to call this, the grand daddy issue episode. We have the birthday card for a dead-beat dad, the hands on father who lost his daughter, the professor parent who can not acknowledge his child's academic abilities, and a white-lighter who doesn't want to talk about the man that raised him. Ah, wow? Okay, I digress. As far as Charlene escaping death if she had not reached for that book, is a question mark in my mind. Since her father was a teacher dealing with metaphysical studies, considering what that consist of one must first ask is he pro or con. Well, con obviously. Now if he had been pro, would his daughter have moved in a different direction? I got the feeling she would have purposely gravitated to the other side regardless of the topic. I then had to wonder why her father was teaching a course he didn't subscribe to. Did he actually believe in their existence, but wanted to lead young minds away from it? In the process of doing so, and the friction between him and Charlene, did her rebellion put her in harms way? Than again, could this have been a warning to Prof. Hughes to stop teaching a class that incites research into the subject? This brings me to her actually touching the book. I would gather that many students used the same reference text with no repercussions. So I wonder if this wasn't specific to her or any book she chose that had to do with her research. I had pondered the same thing about Charlene touching the book. But then I wondered why the demon showed up when Phoebe touched the same one? Plus the demon didn't know Charlene's ghost was there so this was the ex libris going after phoebe. So why perceive phoebe as a threat? Unless he noticed phoebe was retracing Charlene's steps but so was Piper and Prue? Seemed he liked to pull his victims into the basement from that same point or shelf |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 6, 2017 3:53:33 GMT -5
Perhaps there was a secret portal that leads down to the basement maybe and it was his only way of getting people there hence why he used it obviously.
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 6, 2017 13:02:51 GMT -5
Before I commented on "Ex Libris", I decided to do a re-watch. This was fun and brought back fond memories of the show, as this is the first episode that I caught. It will always be one of my favorites as like the girls ... it contains a triangle that I love. We have an evil demon, a nasty human and the wonderful unity with the sisters that we eventually lost. The first time I viewed this I didn't shed a tear, I did this time realizing what would be taken from us in the future. I didn't notice the first time around, but now watching mostly for study ... I would have to call this, the grand daddy issue episode. We have the birthday card for a dead-beat dad, the hands on father who lost his daughter, the professor parent who can not acknowledge his child's academic abilities, and a white-lighter who doesn't want to talk about the man that raised him. Ah, wow? Okay, I digress. As far as Charlene escaping death if she had not reached for that book, is a question mark in my mind. Since her father was a teacher dealing with metaphysical studies, considering what that consist of one must first ask is he pro or con. Well, con obviously. Now if he had been pro, would his daughter have moved in a different direction? I got the feeling she would have purposely gravitated to the other side regardless of the topic. I then had to wonder why her father was teaching a course he didn't subscribe to. Did he actually believe in their existence, but wanted to lead young minds away from it? In the process of doing so, and the friction between him and Charlene, did her rebellion put her in harms way? Than again, could this have been a warning to Prof. Hughes to stop teaching a class that incites research into the subject? This brings me to her actually touching the book. I would gather that many students used the same reference text with no repercussions. So I wonder if this wasn't specific to her or any book she chose that had to do with her research. I had pondered the same thing about Charlene touching the book. But then I wondered why the demon showed up when Phoebe touched the same one? Plus the demon didn't know Charlene's ghost was there so this was the ex libris going after phoebe. So why perceive phoebe as a threat? Unless he noticed phoebe was retracing Charlene's steps but so was Piper and Prue? Seemed he liked to pull his victims into the basement from that same point or shelf You bring up a good point, but my thought here is that most people don't really think they are going to encounter an actual demon in their day to day lives. Like the film "Skeleton Key" this might hinge upon solid belief. Phoebe not only has first hand information on the nasty critters, but has been doing away with a few of them. Hey ... this one might have entertained the idea of ... look at me guys, I'm going to take out a Charmed One. So Phoebe expected him and he was willing to accommodate her. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 6, 2017 13:58:24 GMT -5
Before I commented on "Ex Libris", I decided to do a re-watch. This was fun and brought back fond memories of the show, as this is the first episode that I caught. It will always be one of my favorites as like the girls ... it contains a triangle that I love. We have an evil demon, a nasty human and the wonderful unity with the sisters that we eventually lost. The first time I viewed this I didn't shed a tear, I did this time realizing what would be taken from us in the future. I didn't notice the first time around, but now watching mostly for study ... I would have to call this, the grand daddy issue episode. We have the birthday card for a dead-beat dad, the hands on father who lost his daughter, the professor parent who can not acknowledge his child's academic abilities, and a white-lighter who doesn't want to talk about the man that raised him. Ah, wow? Okay, I digress. As far as Charlene escaping death if she had not reached for that book, is a question mark in my mind. Since her father was a teacher dealing with metaphysical studies, considering what that consist of one must first ask is he pro or con. Well, con obviously. Now if he had been pro, would his daughter have moved in a different direction? I got the feeling she would have purposely gravitated to the other side regardless of the topic. I then had to wonder why her father was teaching a course he didn't subscribe to. Did he actually believe in their existence, but wanted to lead young minds away from it? In the process of doing so, and the friction between him and Charlene, did her rebellion put her in harms way? Than again, could this have been a warning to Prof. Hughes to stop teaching a class that incites research into the subject? This brings me to her actually touching the book. I would gather that many students used the same reference text with no repercussions. So I wonder if this wasn't specific to her or any book she chose that had to do with her research. Wasn't this such a great episode SC. I liked that each sister had their own story to deal with. Such a touching episode, and now you have made me wish to rewatch it SC, so I thank you. Great points you brought to the table on Charlene. Glad you enjoyed the points, but must tell you ... if I hadn't done a re-watch looking for specific things, some of what made this episode work might have fallen by the wayside. What I like about being here is that other posters mention issues I missed or overlooked. When I view for enjoyment is so different than when I watch to discover or learn something.  |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 6, 2017 14:31:41 GMT -5
On the lighter side, I loved the look on Phoebe's face when she sees Charlene in the library after just seeing her body and just talking to Daryl about it. Her look of shock was priceless.
Also how Daryl always assumed he knew what the sisters wanted every time they came to him. First with Phoebe outside the library then Prue in his precinct. He assumes she came to talk about Charlene and was coming on to her strong assuming he knew what she was there for. And his shock that her visit wasn't about magic.
And Leo and Dan fighting in Pipers club and piper making Leo get back into position after she froze dan.
The great thing about these early episodes was that the writers knew how to keep two or three stories going on at the same time on one episode and still keep a balance. At the end of the day they would all come together and talk about their day.
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Post by ShadowCat on Mar 8, 2017 13:19:18 GMT -5
gzv969 ... your comments gave me a chuckle. With Phoebe her look said it all. "Okay, I'm a witch but I guess I'm still in for some surprises." As for Prue that scene was perfect and something we lost later on down the road. "Ah excuse me, but not everything centers on magic." LOL!
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 10, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -5
I agree. All the men was magic. All the friends they had and a new sister magic. The kids magic. No room for a normal life
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 22, 2021 17:29:51 GMT -5
Inspector Cortez (S4) is a human who knows about demons, too. After his near death experience in associating with one, we never hear from him, again. Also, Agent Murphy (S8) is another human who knows about demons, as well, and he just fell off the face of the earth, too. Both of these humans are still alive but just...no longer made appearances within the show, after their brief encounter.
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