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Post by erikamarie on Oct 29, 2015 7:26:37 GMT -5
Morality Bites is a a milestone for many fans, immune to any kind of criticism
I think we should rather talk about it again
Phoebe: At least I'm paying for my crime.
I can’t stand this claim, almost a glorification of the death penalty, I am against the death penalty, even when someone kills with premeditation, I am unable to accept that a State can order the death
In this case, however, it is clear that Phoebe didn’t have a fair trial, she killed in the grip of rage, in any penal code there is a temporary insanity, in this case, a lack of control of her empathic power
No Court’ld deliver a death sentence, indeed Nathaniel isn’t up for justice, only for burning witches
Prue and Piper cannot even hope that Phoebe’s murder will stop the witch hunt, the refuge where Leo lead them is full of innocents and witches on the run, the witch hunt is open, Phoebe is just the beginning
Prue and Piper‘ld take Phoebe away, their sister’s sacrifice is useless and undeserved
I love Morality Bites, sneak a peak to the future is fascinating, it was interesting to find that the sisters’s powers would have increased, to see Melinda, to discover a society frightened by the truth about the supernatural world
It was interesting to see Prue and Piper 10 years later, to find out Prue’s changes
Prue always liked to work, it is one of the first things we know about her: in ten years it seems that the work has become the most important part of her life, more than love and affection
Maybe Prue didn't go beyond Andy's death, she failed to move forward emotionally and closed in herself, hunging up on work and success
Witch Trial
Phoebe: What are you saying, Prue? Look, if we don’t get to him, we stop being witches.
Prue: Exactly. Which means we stop risking our lives all the time. Which means we stop watching the people we love lose theirs.
This would also affect Piper and Phoebe: Piper‘ld distance from the magic - this may explaine the failure of her marriage with Leo-Phoebe’ld be often alone to live her role as witch, without fully share with the sisters the problems caused by her empathy
I cannot, and I don’t want, believe it’ld be a correlation between the incident of the dog and the murder,it would be ridiculous even in a story for preschoolers
Different traditions maybe, here in Lugano Nathaniel’ld pay a penality of 600 Francs, it’s a serious thing soiling the road, the sisters with their simple joke would have avoided a charge to Nathaniel
I believe that Morality Bites tell of the original future, a future provoked by an estrangement between the sisters, a difficult relationship with the magic and above all Prue’s emotional closure
With this reading, Morality Bites is my favorite episode of the second season
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Post by West on Oct 29, 2015 8:11:19 GMT -5
Its one of my favorites, and I loved it. Its nice to see a future where Prue IS alive.
The Prue/Piper/Phoebe scene where they let her burn is the best. Truly why the earlier seasons death had such a bigger impact and felt better, than the later seasons where death is a joke and its like another day at the office.
Its interesting to think had the show continued with Prue and no Paige, if the show could of ended with the timeline reaching this future, and what changes happen.
I always thought the final episode would end with Morality Bites revisited for the final episode back when this episode first aired.
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Post by sol on Oct 29, 2015 11:16:14 GMT -5
I love this Line!
Why was Prue so different, alone, careerist, hedonist?
There is nothing wrong with being a businesswoman and surely Prue'ld drive with seriousness and competence and honesty the auction house, but it was incredible that the secretary didn't know Piper,what had happened to their beautiful friendship?
Piper and Prue have always been very close!
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Post by adzpower on Oct 29, 2015 11:35:40 GMT -5
I have a theory regarding Prue, I think in this timeline she never got over the loss of Andy. If we look at Prue between seasons 2-3, she never really found another love, no stable boyfriend. I believe in this timeline she just gave up. Focused on her career, figured she'd let the Halliwell line continue through Piper and Phoebe. Maybe thought that after losing her soulmate there was no one else for her.
And seeing as how she was the president of Bucklands, and had opened offices in several other countries, she probably spent most of her time in those countries setting up other offices, whilst Piper was focusing on her marriage and children, Phoebe took justice into her own hands.
I think in this timeline the sisters grew apart, there bond weakened. Each sister focusing on a different path. Then when Phoebe was arrested that probably bought Prue and Piper back together in an effort to save their sister.
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Post by Nimue on Oct 29, 2015 11:47:36 GMT -5
I like Morality Bites (although it's very far from being one of my favorite episodes), except for the fact that it was the dog incident that started off everything. It's ridiculous, the sisters weren't hurting him or his dog, and they had done worser things before (Prue making Andy trip over that cart in Season 1). The message was a little too preachy to my taste (and of course they completely forgot about it later on)....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2015 15:16:50 GMT -5
This episode was years ahead of its time. Long before anyone even heard of the term "Tea Party", this episode shows what America would be like if they ever came to power.
There was no way in hell that Barack Obama was President of the United States in this version of 2009, his skin was the wrong colour.
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Post by erikamarie on Oct 30, 2015 2:50:17 GMT -5
I have a theory regarding Prue, I think in this timeline she never got over the loss of Andy. If we look at Prue between seasons 2-3, she never really found another love, no stable boyfriend. I believe in this timeline she just gave up. Focused on her career, figured she'd let the Halliwell line continue through Piper and Phoebe. Maybe thought that after losing her soulmate there was no one else for her. And seeing as how she was the president of Bucklands, and had opened offices in several other countries, she probably spent most of her time in those countries setting up other offices, whilst Piper was focusing on her marriage and children, Phoebe took justice into her own hands. I think in this timeline the sisters grew apart, there bond weakened. Each sister focusing on a different path. Then when Phoebe was arrested that probably bought Prue and Piper back together in an effort to save their sister. Exactly what I think for this reason I quoted Witch Trial Phoebe: What are you saying, Prue? Look, if we don’t get to him, we stop being witches.
Prue: Exactly. Which means we stop risking our lives all the time. Which means we stop watching the people we love lose theirs.
Prue withdraws into herself, focusing on her job, and walks away from the magic, just stepping in when the Power of Three is needed Prue's attitude affects Piper, that already was thinking of a life without a lot of death in it Piper also distanced herself from her role as Charmed One with two major effect: her marriage with Leo fails, Phoebe remains alone as witch Phoebe has a passive personality, less reactive than that of her big sisters, she hasn't the profile of those who'ld kill overwhelmed by anger, probably Phoebe faced alone her duties as witch, alone the increase of her powers Empathy is a power difficult to control, it's easy to imagine Phoebe following the trial for the murder of her friend. absorbing the resentment of those present, friends, relatives, before the Cal Green's techical acquittal: as shown in Used Karma, empathy can become an offensive power Plagued by the feelings of hatred of the present, Phobe lost control of her power The binding of the three sisters is essential not only for the access to the Power of Three, but also for their lives |
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Post by sol on Nov 2, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -5
If Prue and Piper in this timeline became quite estranged from the magic, maybe the Triad didn't need the death of the Co, so didn't choose to send Belthazor to kill them
This is a timeline without Phoebe and Cole's love story, without Gideon's fixation against Wyatt,without Avatars, maybe even without Christy and Billie
A very quite timeline!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 17:50:00 GMT -5
I liked the dog soiling 'revenge' as the point in which the Elders decided to intervene to teach them this vital lesson. If you think about it, the sisters may have done petty (arguably worse) things with their powers in Season 1, but they were still nascent witches. A year in, it would be expected that they could control their powers and know when it is appropriate to use them. Taking 'revenge' on Pratt with the dog mess was their first really petty, needless act of selfish magic. And of course, the connection was Pratt himself, which was why it was important for them to be sent to the future then and there.
Sadly, they quickly forgot that lesson from 2009 and their selfishness grew to no bounds, leading them to change the world with Avatars and fake their own deaths.
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Post by sol on Nov 3, 2015 6:28:30 GMT -5
I liked the dog soiling 'revenge' as the point in which the Elders decided to intervene to teach them this vital lesson. If you think about it, the sisters may have done petty (arguably worse) things with their powers in Season 1, but they were still nascent witches. A year in, it would be expected that they could control their powers and know when it is appropriate to use them. Taking 'revenge' on Pratt with the dog mess was their first really petty, needless act of selfish magic. And of course, the connection was Pratt himself, which was why it was important for them to be sent to the future then and there. Sadly, they quickly forgot that lesson from 2009 and their selfishness grow to no bounds, leading them to change the world with Avatars and fake their own deaths. I'm sorry I can't imagine what kind of lesson they had to learn, that is a good thing that an ill-mannered man'ld get dirty every day the doorstep only because id a DA? I'm not able to believe something so childish! And Prue and Piper'ld be selfish person only because they wish to save their sister from an unfair and appalling death warrant? But then, who are the Elders to give lessons, the same Elders ready to sentence Morris' death? Playing with magic may be to blame but it sure it's not the first step towards the murder! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 7:46:15 GMT -5
I liked the dog soiling 'revenge' as the point in which the Elders decided to intervene to teach them this vital lesson. If you think about it, the sisters may have done petty (arguably worse) things with their powers in Season 1, but they were still nascent witches. A year in, it would be expected that they could control their powers and know when it is appropriate to use them. Taking 'revenge' on Pratt with the dog mess was their first really petty, needless act of selfish magic. And of course, the connection was Pratt himself, which was why it was important for them to be sent to the future then and there. Sadly, they quickly forgot that lesson from 2009 and their selfishness grow to no bounds, leading them to change the world with Avatars and fake their own deaths. I'm sorry I can't imagine what kind of lesson they had to learn, that is a good thing that an ill-mannered man'ld get dirty every day the doorstep only because id a DA? I'm not able to believe something so childish! And Prue and Piper'ld be selfish person only because they wish to save their sister from an unfair and appalling death warrant? But then, who are the Elders to give lessons, the same Elders ready to sentence Morris' death? Playing with magic may be to blame but it sure it's not the first step towards the murder! You've missed the point I was making. The sisters' 'doggy revenge' on Pratt wasn't going to lead the sisters along the path of murder by itself, but if it had gone unpunished, it would have allowed the sisters to justify their petty, selfish behaviour to themselves and thus their hubris, their belief in their own authority would grow and grow until murder doesn't seem like such a bad thing in 'the right circumstances'. Phoebe said it herself in MB - once you break the small rules, it's only as matter of time before the big ones are next. And as I said before, the lesson they learned at that time was completely useless as they soon forgot it. Perhaps the Elders should've given them a yearly update. The Cleaners and the Tribunal allowed Darryl to face the death penality not the Elders. |
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Post by sol on Nov 3, 2015 10:04:26 GMT -5
I got the point and maybe I'm a person low on morality but I cannot endure the idea that an insignificant joke may be the harbinge of a crime
Had those poor girls to be perfect as perhaps only a saint was in life?
If I thought Charmed was a series of perfect, good, flawless, incapable of making mistakes sisters I'ld never watch it!
I was forgetting: Leo: The Tribunal. It's a council made up of Elders and demons to monitor magic, to make sure nobody ever finds out about its use.
The Cleaners were only witnesses
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 0:38:22 GMT -5
You didn't really think that the Kern era writers would remember something from the Burge era, did you?
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Post by Nimue on Nov 4, 2015 1:50:03 GMT -5
You didn't really think that the Kern era writers would remember something from the Burge era, did you? |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 4, 2015 4:11:56 GMT -5
It'ld be nice if we could talk about Charmed and not the writers, why are you so hung up about Kern and Burge?
In a board where fans talk of Charmed and all seem to live serene, perhaps because unaware of Brad Kern existence,I found an interesting discussion
In both Morality Bites and Chris Crossed we discover that the magic has been unveiled, apparently because of two characters very tied together: Phoebe and Wyatt
It'ld be a coincidence that the two born close to the Nexus are both the reason of the discovery of the magic, or it may be a Nexus effect
Earth, fire, water, wood and metal, the five elements of Taoism, can generate four cycles, of generation, exploitation, destruction or control, revolt
For this reason only the balance of these five elements can lead to a perfect situation, but it's a balance hard to keep and the interaction with the negative energies of Phoebe - frantic for her friend death- and of Wyatt - completely mad for his mother death- with the five elements of existence could bring the start of the cycle of destruction
The separation between magical and non-magical world is destroyed although with different consequences
In Morality Bites, Nathaniel Pratt triggered witch hunts and witches and people unjustly accused are hiding in places similar to the atomic shelters of the science fiction of the '50
In Chris Crossed we see signs of destruction in San Francisco but the museum visitors seem calm and not at all frightened by the presence of demons, only magic seems to be prohibited
The difference may arise from the fact that Phoebe loses control, perhaps overwhelmed by the feelings of the people due to her empathy and magic is discovered
Wyatt maybe knowingly breaks the secret sure he'll keep the situation under control, his control (see Chris:He picked on the world, Phoebe)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 7:08:35 GMT -5
You didn't really think that the Kern era writers would remember something from the Burge era, did you? Kern could barely maintain continuity episode to episode. Actually Burge wasn't much better at times. Charmed biggest downfall was that it was a great show in the hands of useless writers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2015 12:08:43 GMT -5
What they needed was a Writer's Bible, in which the setting and premise of the show was firmly set down. That way, writer could consult said bible and thus writer their scripts accordingly.
However, no such bible was made and, well, we all saw the results.
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Post by adzpower on Nov 4, 2015 12:49:04 GMT -5
You'd think they'd remember what had happened and what had been stated in their own show lol.
Guess it's just too difficult to remember that Paige was there when the Source was vanquished. I wonder why none of the actresses challenged that line, they must have known it was wrong and just didn't care enough to have it altered.
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Post by sol on Nov 5, 2015 5:53:52 GMT -5
Okay I understand, Charmed writers suck and certainly they are living under the bridges with their three children for each because no one gives them anymore a scrap of work
I add that Charmed was awarded with the TP de Oro because we Spanish aren't so smart and no one had informed us of how much selfish were the sisters etc.
Maybe we are a selfish people so we don't realise
After the due premise, may we go back to the topic?
I am intrigued by the reasoning on Nessus: spiritual balance'ld be jeopardized by the passage of Phoebe's power from passive to active
The elements that originate the pentagram at its center there is the Nessus fit with Chinese philosophy, not Wicca
I know a little Chinese medicine, because of my mother: un altered mental status can damage organs because they are the home to the psychic functions: the heart is the seat of the mind, the liver of Hun ( soul bound to heaven, the psychic level is the ability to act out), lung of Po (earthbound soul, corrupts after death)the kidney of Zhi (the will which gives stability to the personality), the spleen of the Yi (intelligence).
Phoebe and Wyatt, born really close to Nexus,could be very linked to it, so their strong emotion'ld have more serious consequences than normal
The Phoebe we saw killing Sal Greene is strictly out of control
Prue was a wealthy workaholic businesswoman without a mate, Piper a divorced single with a daughter, both they seemed to live a life away.
Phoebe was alone, maybe she was still the girl frightened by the love of Heartbreak City, with insufficient self-confidence: in this case sh'ld still living in the Manor
How sad is this timeline!
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 6, 2015 5:44:50 GMT -5
Sad but intersting to understand how it's essentil the link between the sisters: Phoebe has to earn Prue's respect and trust to be able to have confidence in herself
Witout the certainty of Prue's love, Phoebe'll be always drifting
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