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Post by jdpm1991 on Nov 19, 2015 21:08:48 GMT -5
Before Paige, they used their cars. Do you think Paige and the sisters were too dependant on Paige's orbing? Did Paige ever drive post Ssason 5?
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 19, 2015 21:22:57 GMT -5
She had that green VW at the beginning but hardly used it once she moved into the Manor.
I hated her orbing - it made Phoebe's premonitions unnecessary since they didn't need time to get to where they were needed.
But then I hated all of her whitelighter powers, powers she (and her nephews) never should've received while they were still alive. It all turned the show from "Charmed" to "Whitelighter".
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Post by West on Nov 19, 2015 21:39:37 GMT -5
I think it didn't add the level of shock or how are the charmed ones going to get out of a mess, if you can suddenly orb out of trouble or get somewhere as quickly as possible.
Yes Prue had astral projection, but she didn't master it yet where she can physically be two people and use her powers. I'm glad they didn't overdo her astral projection like they did with Paige's orbing.
Then again as we have seen in the later seasons. Paige was more whitelighter than witch, and it felt like two witches and a whitelighter fighting demons.
I would of so loved Paige to never have had whitelighter powers. If P3H20 never happened, Then the writers would of been forced to come up with another affair, one not connected to whitelighters. If only.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 0:37:17 GMT -5
Paige practically became the family car. I've heard of saving gas money, but this was just too ridiculous.
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Post by Sadrick on Nov 20, 2015 3:46:18 GMT -5
The issue that I foresee with Paige not coming from Sam is the nature of her power. She's supposed to represent the telekinetic user who physically protects the user and innocents by repelling evil. It would come across as redundant if she just happened to show up with the exact same kind of ability that Prue had. Paige would look even more like a failed replacement for Prue than she actually did.
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 20, 2015 4:43:21 GMT -5
As Sam’s daughter, Paige‘ld have her orbing telekinetic, to differentiate herself from Prue, without all that orbing power that turned her in a taxilighter
Or, better, she’ld have the orbing ability only in case of extreme danger, a passive power almost working as a defensive
I would rather that the ability to orb as the Whitelighters did, was limited to Wyatt and Chris, sons of a Charmed One and not just a Warren witch, because I am sure that the birth of two boys open a new and alternate story
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 20, 2015 5:01:40 GMT -5
Yes Paige was too dependant on orbing once she learnt how to use it but then the writers made her too powerful season 4 onward anyway which should never have happened anyway.
I'm surprised Paige still drove sometimes and didn't sell her car saving herself on tax, MOT and insurance especially when she quit her social working job.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 20, 2015 6:51:26 GMT -5
I don't see what the problem is with Paige Orbing so much (except for the fact it caused less drama with the sisters having to use their cars to save an innocent). It was her power and she wasn't hurting anyone with it, why shouldn't she use it? Why should she have to continue using her car when she could easily use Teleportation? That makes no sense.
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Post by adzpower on Nov 20, 2015 7:43:59 GMT -5
I never had a problem with it, I would have used it all the time if I had it as well.
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Post by sol on Nov 20, 2015 8:19:36 GMT -5
Many fans don't think that the magic'ld be a gift, something personal, something that belongs to the sisters
They think magic is a kind of loan, burdened with duties so heavy that any wisdom person would give up immediately
As the talk about "personal gain": I'ld agree that magic could discipline itself, avoiding abuses that could have dangerous consequences, but to use it to, for example, create the dress of marriage as Paige did, it's a legitimate use of something thatit's a part of Paige
I thought of the Cinderella' fairy godmother that with her magic wand realizes the dress color of the sky when I saw the wedding dress, not of a Paige's personal gain
Otherwise, there would be no joy in being witches , only duties and certainty of death
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Post by adzpower on Nov 20, 2015 14:30:05 GMT -5
Does personal gain even come into play with orbing? It's a whitelighter power not a witch one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 16:07:30 GMT -5
Does personal gain even come into play with orbing? It's a whitelighter power not a witch one. I'd say yes. There were many times Leo had to break the rules, like when he healed Piper's spirit back into her body after she had died. Unless the Elders are pretty lax when it comes to orbing. Maybe it would only count as personal gain if she used it to run errands around town. Most of the time Paige orbed to deliver info to someone in a far away spot, or help a vanquish demon really quickly. |
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Post by adzpower on Nov 20, 2015 16:48:33 GMT -5
Does personal gain even come into play with orbing? It's a whitelighter power not a witch one. I'd say yes. There were many times Leo had to break the rules, like when he healed Piper's spirit back into her body after she had died. Unless the Elders are pretty lax when it comes to orbing. Maybe it would only count as personal gain if she used it to run errands around town. Most of the time Paige orbed to deliver info to someone in a far away spot, or help a vanquish demon really quickly. I think that was because at the time he was only allowed to heal injuries that were caused by magic, Piper contracted a fatal disease, which isn't magical. So the Elders forbade it. In later years they relaxed that rule I'm guessing mostly because of the death of Prue, they didn't want to risk the power of three being broken again. But I can't see them holding personal gain rules on a whitelighter power that belonged to a witch. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 20, 2015 18:09:02 GMT -5
I'd say yes. There were many times Leo had to break the rules, like when he healed Piper's spirit back into her body after she had died. Unless the Elders are pretty lax when it comes to orbing. Maybe it would only count as personal gain if she used it to run errands around town. Most of the time Paige orbed to deliver info to someone in a far away spot, or help a vanquish demon really quickly. I think that was because at the time he was only allowed to heal injuries that were caused by magic, Piper contracted a fatal disease, which isn't magical. So the Elders forbade it. In later years they relaxed that rule I'm guessing mostly because of the death of Prue, they didn't want to risk the power of three being broken again. Hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right. That depends upon the defintion of personal gain. If like it is for me - not being able to do it if it exposes magic - then the fact that the whitelighter power that never should've been given to a witch was, then, yes, it should be. I wouldn't have minded it so much if it was used in the spin-off (S4-8) the way it was used in Charmed (S1-3). To my knowledge, in S1-3, Leo only orbed Piper and he only orbed her twice - in "P3 H20" and "Beware What You Witch For". In both cases, he had to hug her. If Paige could only orb one person at a time by hugging them, it wouldn't have turned her into their magical taxicab and it wouldn't bother me half as much as it does. It makes no sense that a living person who only got the power because her dad had it could do it better than the dead one who had actually earned it. That's what bothers me about witchlighters more than anything else. Had she just had her tele-orbing and no other whitelighter powers, I would've been a lot happier. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 21:06:17 GMT -5
Definitely. Orbing made the process of hunting, finding and battling the demons and Innocents terribly predictable and rote. Season 6, in particularly, was ridiculous with Paige, Leo and Chris all Orbing in and out of the Manor constantly. Personally, I think Paige should never have been able to orb. Her TK-Orbing was a good 'hybrid' power' and made her suitably different from Prue, so why then did she also get a straight-up Whitelighter power as well? (and then later, several more).
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 21, 2015 0:08:25 GMT -5
Definitely. Orbing made the process of hunting, finding and battling the demons and Innocents terribly predictable and rote. Season 6, in particularly, was ridiculous with Paige, Leo and Chris all Orbing in and out of the Manor constantly. Personally, I think Paige should never have been able to orb. Her TK-Orbing was a good 'hybrid' power' and made her suitably different from Prue, so why then did she also get a straight-up Whitelighter power as well? (and then later, several more). Exactly so. It's why one of my titles for the spin-off (S4-8) is "Two Witches Plus One Living Whitelighter Equals the Power of Three?" Just calling it "Witchlighter" - which actually makes more sense than calling it "Whitelighter" - also works. Adding all of the those witchlighters totally changed what the show was all about, and not for the good. |
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Post by West on Nov 21, 2015 0:43:14 GMT -5
That's why I love season 1. It had more suspence without whitelighters. It added this element where I was wondering how they would make it out alive. Injuries and bruises come with protecting the innocent.
I'd much rather see a sister with a broken arm than a magical fix at episodes end. It keeps the show more real and that the charmed ones are mortals still and can be harmed.
If we HAD to have them, keep them at a distance and only a one season thing and then gone forever. They should help new charges then go off to help new witches.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 21, 2015 4:37:01 GMT -5
Agreed totally. If Brian Krause had only stayed for one season like he was supposed to, it would've been fantastic.
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Post by adzpower on Nov 21, 2015 5:44:52 GMT -5
I don't think the problem with the show lies in the whitelighters or the different magical factions. It's simply the poor writing.
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Post by West on Nov 21, 2015 6:58:34 GMT -5
Agreed totally. If Brian Krause had only stayed for one season like he was supposed to, it would've been fantastic. Agreed, and Piper would find a mortal husband. Which brings me to loving the sisters settling down with mortals. It worked so well for Paige with Henry, and why it did with Prue with Andy. Constance making these non mortal love interests only a one season character and story-arc was good. I find having a witch or supernatural lead character in any show or movie falling in love with a demon or non human character so typical. I find the conflict with just a mortal just as interesting and there's an element of making it feel a little more real. |
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