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Post by jdpm1991 on Dec 13, 2015 14:22:29 GMT -5
What are the pros and cons for each Charmed season for you? List them please!
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Post by conette on Dec 13, 2015 16:09:30 GMT -5
Here are some cons:
-too many 'demon/monster of the day' episodes
-too many 'sister turns evil/into supernatural creature' episodes (*cough cough* Phoebe *cough cough*)
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Post by adzpower on Dec 13, 2015 16:46:11 GMT -5
One - Pro's: focus on sisterhood, con's: story slow to start
Two - Pro's: sisters had great chemistry, con's: boring love triangle
Three - Pro's: Loved the introduction of story arcs, con's: Prue died
Four - Pro's: Introduced a great new character, con's: too focused on Phoebe and Cole
Five - Pro's: the bond between the new PO3 grew, con's: nymphs, leprachauns
Six - Pro's: mystery surrounding Chris, con's: said story wasn't expanded on enough, too many filler episodes get in the way
Seven - Pro's: Finally had a pretty badass villain, con's: Avatar storyline extremely boring
Eight - Pro's: Paige returns to form, con's: it exists.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Dec 13, 2015 18:13:48 GMT -5
SEASON ONE
Pros: Strong character building for sisters, compelling innocents, warlock villains enforce accountability
Cons: Snake oil salesman Victor
SEASON TWO
Pros: Sisters' character building continued in first half, Leo, Morris
Cons: Pointless love triangle, warlocks deemphasized, heroes' accountability starts to wane in second half
SEASON THREE
Pros: Introduction of major plots with Phoebe/Cole and Source arcs, revamped Victor
Cons: Early holes in execution of Cole's story, accountability worsens, Prue dies
SEASON FOUR
Pros: Paige introduction, Cortez, bosses Elise and Cowan, cunning hateable villain Seer
Cons: Rushed first vanquish arc destroyed the Source, Dark Phoebe/Source Cole arc lost the characters' heart
SEASON FIVE
Pros: The Crone
Cons: Phoebe and Cole both went off the rails as characters, show became more whimsical post-Centennial, ramifications and high stakes all but gone
SEASON SIX
Pros: The Valkyries
Cons: Too much inconsistency with Chris, sisters took complete levels in jerkass, Inspector Sheridan
SEASON SEVEN
Pros: Drake and Kira restore some of Phoebe's lost heart, consequences for Leo's actions explored, clever villain Zankou
Cons: Freebie and the Slampiece Leslie, underwhelming Avatar conclusion, Elders acting as heels
SEASON EIGHT
Pros: Smooth black early villain Paul Haas, Henry and Paige
Cons: Freebie and the Slampiece Dex, inconsistent melodrama with Billie, mail-ordered Coop, Piper's explosive selfishness, the Ultimate Power, unsaveable Christy…
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 18:39:14 GMT -5
Season 1
Pros: the main characters are written as sisters who happen to be witches; not demon-hunters who happen to be roommates; good characterisation all round; emphasis on the real world and the innocents in it; slightly Gothic tone to the series.
Cons: silly, camp foes (Hecate, Future Warlock, Wendigo, Gabriel);
Hannah trying to be a porn star; overly focused on Rex when Rodriguez was a better adversary by far.
Season 2
Pros: good witch/moral "lessons" (Morality Bites, Apocalypse Not); continued emphasis on the sisterhood; Prue and Bane.
Cons: Jenny; Dan's 2D characterisation; Leo's moping; lack of structure; shaky mythology of the demons/evil hierarchy; Astral Projection being given to Prue instead of Phoebe.
Season 3
Pros: Darker tone to the show; better structured storylines; the demonic organisations (the Brotherhood, the Triad); strong acting from the main characters; more consistent mythology; new Victor.
Cons: poor love interests for Prue; Phoebe getting Levitation instead of Prue; Piper's explosion power; Prue's death.
Season 4
Pros: good acting; dark foreboding tone; Paige's introduction.
Cons: Paige's intro was too short; the Source was killed too quickly; Cole and Phoebe's 'Rulers of the Underworld' plot was rushed; Phoebe didn't grieve enough for Prue.
Season 5
Pros: better production values; slightly lighter feel to the show; The Eyes Have It; A Witch in Time; the Crone.
Cons: Cole's return; Piper being a b*tch; Piper forgets about her freezing power; Phoebe forgetting about both of her powers; Paige quitting her job; Phoebe losing her clothes regularly; Disney characters; Jason Dean; Super-Womb.
Season 6
Pros: aspects of Chris' storyline; Paige caring about innocents.
Cons: The show becomes King Wyatt: The Early Years; Leo trying to act intimidating; bratty Chris; slutty Phoebe; the sisters stop acting like sisters but roommates; emphasis on the men around them instead; they stop looking like sisters; Chris being Piper and Leo's son and not Paige and Richard's, or Phoebe and Cole's.
Season 7
Pros: Avatars; Zankou; Leo; Kyra; Phoebe's premonitions return; Paige and Kyle.
Cons: alternate identities plot; Wyatt-centric episodes.
Season 8
Pros: Paige and Henry.
Cons: ever-changing identities; too much Billie; recycled demons (the Source, the Triad); Billie's sudden turn against the sisters; the sisters being all about themselves; Dex; Coop; the flashforward.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 13, 2015 20:57:53 GMT -5
I'm going to do this before reading anyone else's.
SEASON ONE:
Pros:
1. Sisters who happen to be witches
2. Piper's two relationships: Mark and Leo
3. The way Phoebs loved magic
4. Funny, shy-yet-snarky Piper
5. Rex Buckland (but definitely not Hannah, that horrible stereotype of a woman!) - Rex should've remained the Big Bad of the entire series! Especially with his version of astral projection
6. Melinda Warren
7. The Demon of Fear who should've continued to only come around once every 1300 years!
8. "Love Hurts" - the last time we should've seen Leo
9. The Founders and elder whitelighters - NOT the Elders!
Cons:
1. Prue having a stick up her a$$ through most of the first half
2. Some episodes much too dark and much too scary
3. The good are good and the evil are evil and never the twain shall meet
4. Prue holding the truth from Andy much too long
5. Andy dying and Leo sticking around
6. Piper being able to manipulate molecules by being able to just freeze certain people, not freeze time, which ended up meaning she got explosions and became the Power of One
SEASON TWO:
Pros:
1. The sisters' relationship with each other
2. The best innocent stories and the best villains - Demons of..., warlocks, a darklighter, and most of all, evil humans
3. Lessons learned...
4. BANE!!!!!!
5. THEY - who were always right even when Piper didn't think so because THEY didn't let her do what she wanted to do
Cons:
1. Lessons already forgotten...
2. The horrible way Piper treated both Dan and Leo - and her choosing the guy who was absolutely the worst guy for her since she wanted a normal life but chose a guy who was dead-they should've just remained lovers, never husband and wife
3. My favorite episode showing Piper and Leo married with a child, meaning a dead man could sire children, meaning Paige, Wyatt and Chris could exist, allowing Brad Kern to screw up Charmed and turn it into "Witchighter" rather than "Charmed".
4. Leo returning
5. Introducing Sam which ended up meaning that Paige could exist and let Brad Kern screw up Charmed
6. Prue gaining a power that had absolutely nothing to do with moving things with her mind
7. The horrible way Charmed portrayed teenagers
SEASON THREE:
Pros:
1. All Halliwell's Eve
2. The Good, The Bad and the Cursed
3. PreWitched
4. Sin Francisco
Con:
1. The rest, especially those featuring a demon who can be good again after being evil for almost 100 years just because his demonic mother once screwed a non-magical.
Can't do the rest of them, too hard to find pros.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2015 21:17:41 GMT -5
One - Pro's: focus on sisterhood, con's: story slow to start Two - Pro's: sisters had great chemistry, con's: boring love triangle Three - Pro's: Loved the introduction of story arcs, con's: Prue died Four - Pro's: Introduced a great new character, con's: too focused on Phoebe and Cole Five - Pro's: the bond between the new PO3 grew, con's: nymphs, leprachauns Six - Pro's: mystery surrounding Chris, con's: said story wasn't expanded on enough, too many filler episodes get in the way Seven - Pro's: Finally had a pretty badass villain, con's: Avatar storyline extremely boring Eight - Pro's: Paige returns to form, con's: it exists. This is pretty much how I see it, too. The later seasons had some good ideas, but were held back by just about everything else in them. Hannah trying to be a porn star; overly focused on Rex when Rodriguez was a better adversary by far. Uhhh, Tim, I'll let you have this one.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 0:23:56 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know what show you were watching, but Rex and Hannah were not "overly focused" on. In fact, they were criminally underdeveloped (it was only in there final two episodes that they got decent screen time). The only time R&H got any real development is when I took them under my wings.
As for your ridiculous "Hannah trying to be a porn star" comment...
I don't recall Hannah prancing about in skimpy outfits, her *ahem* assets visible for all to see. Of course, Hellish had not yet imposed her "costumes" on the show during R&H's oh so brief tenure on Charmed.
You want to see a Charmed character trying to be a porn star, look no further than later seasons Phoebe Halliwell.
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Post by Sadrick on Dec 14, 2015 6:23:27 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know what show you were watching, but Rex and Hannah were not "overly focused" on. In fact, they were criminally underdeveloped (it was only in there final two episodes that they got decent screen time). The only time R&H got any real development is when I took them under my wings. As for your ridiculous "Hannah trying to be a porn star" comment... I don't recall Hannah prancing about in skimpy outfits, her *ahem* assets visible for all to see. Of course, Hellish had not yet imposed her "costumes" on the show during R&H's oh so brief tenure on Charmed. You want to see a Charmed character trying to be a porn star, look no further than later seasons Phoebe Halliwell. Well there is this...  As for the original topic - I think Season 2 gets a lot of flack as being the time when the sisters began there decline as witches. In which case, I'll cite Prue's quote from the Season 1 finale when she explained how while they may not be murderers, they're not angels either. The gist of it being they're not perfect individuals. A slight blunder under pressure I can sort of understand. It's only when they begin to intentionally use their powers for personal gain that I start to truly fault them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 8:55:00 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know what show you were watching, but Rex and Hannah were not "overly focused" on. In fact, they were criminally underdeveloped (it was only in there final two episodes that they got decent screen time). The only time R&H got any real development is when I took them under my wings. As for your ridiculous "Hannah trying to be a porn star" comment... I don't recall Hannah prancing about in skimpy outfits, her *ahem* assets visible for all to see. Of course, Hellish had not yet imposed her "costumes" on the show during R&H's oh so brief tenure on Charmed. You want to see a Charmed character trying to be a porn star, look no further than later seasons Phoebe Halliwell. Rex and Hannah are hugely overrated and should've been in 2/3 episodes, in my opinion. I could see the appeal of Rex as a 'baddie' but Hannah was little more than a warlock's moll, with her breathy 'I'm sorrys' and pouty 'forgive mes' Vomit-inducing. Rex was no better at times: 'Purrrr, Hannah, kitten. Disrobe for me, dahhhling!' Such stupid characters, Rodriguez and Barbas were far superior S1 adversaries. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 13:35:32 GMT -5
Rex and Hannah are hugely overrated and should've been in 2/3 episodes, in my opinion. I could see the appeal of Rex as a 'baddie' but Hannah was little more than a warlock's moll, with her breathy 'I'm sorrys' and pouty 'forgive mes' Vomit-inducing. Rex was no better at times: 'Purrrr, Hannah, kitten. Disrobe for me, dahhhling!' Such stupid characters, Rodriguez and Barbas were far superior S1 adversaries. Did we watch the same show? Rex & Hannah hardly existed as characters on the show as they were, getting only barebones development in the few episodes they were in and practically vanishing from existence after that. I have NO idea where you got this image of them being a couple of porn stars, because I just didn't see it. All I saw were a couple of underutilized, underdeveloped characters who had a TON of potential that was never realized. To call Rex & Hannah "overrated" is so wildly inaccurate, it's not even funny. They literally vanished from the show after Season 1 and have been pretty much forgotten by the vast majority of fans. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY fanfiction about them outside of Tim's work, which seems to be far more popular among Lovecraft fans than Charmed fans. When it comes to villains, the likes of Cole, Zankou, Barbas, the Seer, and even the Crone are FAR more popular among fans, IMO. |
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Post by erikamarie on Dec 14, 2015 18:22:33 GMT -5
Dude, I don't know what show you were watching, but Rex and Hannah were not "overly focused" on. In fact, they were criminally underdeveloped (it was only in there final two episodes that they got decent screen time). The only time R&H got any real development is when I took them under my wings. As for your ridiculous "Hannah trying to be a porn star" comment... I don't recall Hannah prancing about in skimpy outfits, her *ahem* assets visible for all to see. Of course, Hellish had not yet imposed her "costumes" on the show during R&H's oh so brief tenure on Charmed. You want to see a Charmed character trying to be a porn star, look no further than later seasons Phoebe Halliwell. Personal opinions, Tim! Rex takes on Prue to approach the sisters and steal their powers from them, it's a story that has to bring to a close in a few episodes or it'ld not make sense I thought that since the Sixties it was born the freedom to dress or undress as a woman wants, so I don't care how Hannna gets dressed but I also think, however, that she isn't a very interesting character, only a flat warlock...but a nice panther Rex physically resembles Dan, the classic cute big boy, rather smart,pretty sneaky: his character had a good role but I am not able to understand what kind of future he'ld have had |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 19:40:22 GMT -5
Did we watch the same show? Rex & Hannah hardly existed as characters on the show as they were, getting only barebones development in the few episodes they were in and practically vanishing from existence after that. I have NO idea where you got this image of them being a couple of porn stars, because I just didn't see it. All I saw were a couple of underutilized, underdeveloped characters who had a TON of potential that was never realized. To call Rex & Hannah "overrated" is so wildly inaccurate, it's not even funny. They literally vanished from the show after Season 1 and have been pretty much forgotten by the vast majority of fans. You'd be hard pressed to find ANY fanfiction about them outside of Tim's work, which seems to be far more popular among Lovecraft fans than Charmed fans. When it comes to villains, the likes of Cole, Zankou, Barbas, the Seer, and even the Crone are FAR more popular among fans, IMO. It's called a difference of opinion, stop trying to impress Tim. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2015 23:58:05 GMT -5
It's called a difference of opinion, stop trying to impress Tim. I'm not "trying to impress Tim." I just happen to agree with him, which last time I checked, is not a crime.  And, what I stated in my post were mostly facts. Rex & Hannah really WERE underdeveloped characters that were mostly forgotten by both the show and the fandom. They are anything but "overrated." If they were, then FAR more people besides Tim would be writing stories about them. Cole, Barbas, Zankou, and the Seer are the fandom's favorite villains. I highly doubt many people besides Tim would put Rex & Hannah at the top of their list. You don't have to like the characters, but actually give good reasons for doing so. As in, not calling them "porn stars." |
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Dec 15, 2015 0:25:40 GMT -5
I loved Rex & Hannah! I mean they first introduced us to the Source! They were fun villains. Hannah definitely played up the hyper-sexualized trapped woman. I mean come on they are evil, how is it any stretch that they are not misogynistic? I mean it was also hinted at by the Seer. Besides wishing that they lasted one or two more episodes, I think their arc was near complete, not that they could not have been used later in the series. They were testing and finding out the Charmed ones it would have been annoying if it dragged out. Plus I was so shocked that it ended mid-season it was not formulaic (*Cough Buffy season long big bad *cough). I also liked the Rodriguez arc because he went to where the Charmed Ones were vulnerable, through law enforcement. I think that arc should have most definitely been lengthened by an episode or two. However, I loved this unconventional arcs. They did not fit the mold at all. It left me excited. I know a lot of fans clamor for more arcs particularly like Season 3 and 4 however, I think season 1 did this best in a way that was very Charmed rather than Buffy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 0:41:17 GMT -5
Betty is not "trying to impress me". She's absolutely right here, Rex and Hannah were undeveloped. Just compare them to the development that Cole, the Seer, and Zankou got, you'll see what I mean.
Overrated you say? Tell you what, Deano, you go to the Charmed Section of FanFiction.net and find me a story that has Rex and Hannah in it.
You want Next Generation stories, take your pick, but you'll have better luck seeing the Loch Ness Monster than you will a story with Rex and Hannah in it (unless you count mine that is, you'll find them in the Cthulhu Mythos section, BTW).
Damned straight. R&H would have probably been forgotten entirely if it weren't for me.
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Post by sol on Dec 15, 2015 2:12:45 GMT -5
Betty is not "trying to impress me". She's absolutely right here, Rex and Hannah were undeveloped. Just compare them to the development that Cole, the Seer, and Zankou got, you'll see what I mean. Overrated you say? Tell you what, Deano, you go to the Charmed Section of FanFiction.net and find me a story that has Rex and Hannah in it. You want Next Generation stories, take your pick, but you'll have better luck seeing the Loch Ness Monster than you will a story with Rex and Hannah in it (unless you count mine that is, you'll find them in the Cthulhu Mythos section, BTW). Damned straight. R&H would have probably been forgotten entirely if it weren't for me. Banally, R & H haven't had great success with the fans, there is no guarantee that what appeals to one like it at all However, the story of Rex and Hannah was over:they had failed and the Source didn't forgive the failures |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 12:30:28 GMT -5
And the reason for that is because they had so little character development and so few episodes. They didn't have time to make an impression with a lot of fans. Mind you, some fans, such as Yours Truly, did notice them. Yeah, I may in the minority of Charmed fandom, but that's okay.
I've found fans from outside Charmed fandom (including those that had never seen Charmed, or even knew of its existence), so that says something. I have made an impact with R&H, a small one, yes, but still an impact.
Barbas's story was over at the end of his first episode, yet they brought him back again, and again, and AGAIN! In fact, haven't the comics also brought him back.
BTW: Barbas has made no appearances in the R&H Chronicles, nor is he likely to in the near future. He's gotten enough exposure, thank you very much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 13:32:40 GMT -5
Hmm, let's see.
Season One
+ Focus on sisterhood.
+ Good chemistry between the leads.
+ Andy, a likable love interest who doesn't make the show all about him.
+ Early Leo and Piper.
+ Phoebe and Piper in general. Two very lovable characters at the time, with big hearts.
+ Great episodes- That 70's Episode, Is There A Woogy? and Dead Man Dating especially.
+ Hinting towards a greater evil, while still keeping it a mystery.
+ One power each. The power of three is the ultimate magic.
- Early Prue is harsh, sometimes it's a bit uncalled for. She's better later in the season though.
- Some of the villains. Hecate and her bridesmaids; the future warlock.
Season Two
+ The chemistry between the leads has developed very nicely. I think this is probably where it peeked (despite what may or may not have been going on behind the scenes)
+ I like the premiere because it re-highlights the importance of the sisters working as one.
+ Again, some great stand alone episodes. Morality Bites especially and so many others.
+ Bane made for another interesting Prue love interest.
+ I like Phoebe being at college. In fact, just Phoebe in general.
- The start of the sisters getting multiple powers.
- The Piper, Leo, Dan love triangle, which only made me sick of all three of them.
Season Three
+ The feel of the show seems more established if that makes sense.
+ I liked the Cole storyline for the first half at least.
+ Some very strong stand alone episodes- Sin Francisco, The Good, the Bad and the Cursed, Pre-Witched and more.
- More new powers: one which was way over powered and the other that was just pointless IMO.
- Ghosts becoming more regular, thereby beginning the downwards spiral of death meaning less and less.
- Prue's death (pretty much the last exception to the above)
- Phoebe lying to her sisters, thereby beginning her downward spiral.
- Piper and Leo get married and begin their downward spiral also.
Season Four
+ Very well done introduction of Paige.
+ Paige generally. A likable and interesting character who I enjoyed getting to know.
+ Piper's grief: well written and very well acted by Holly.
+ Good standalone episodes, especially in the first half.
+ The Seer. Who to me, will always be the true big bad of season 4.
- Phoebe's downward spiral speeds up a lot in the second half.
- The Source becoming incredibly lame.
Season Five
+ Sense and Sense Ability, Cat House and The Eyes Have It.
+ The Crone.
- Nymphs, leprechauns, super heroes etc.
- Sisterly moments are now almost completely out the window.
- The disastrous end to Phoebe and Cole's story.
- Phoebe's selfishness gets worse.
- Oh My Goddess.
- Death is now pretty much meaningless.
- The writers stop caring what happens with Paige and from here on out she just flip flops wherever suits the plot of the week.
Season Six
+ Probably the peek of the show's special effects. There was some horrible CGI, but I'm talking about the more regular stuff, like orbing, vanquishes etc.
+ I Dream of Phoebe, The Power of Three Blondes.
+ I appreciate what they tried to do with Gideon. He was different at least.
- Phoebe and her so called "empathy"
- Paige's temp jobs and lack of direction.
- Piper's selfishness. Her "normal life" whining seems endless in this season particularly.
- Leo's presence.
- Prince Charmed: the most abhorrent Charmed episode ever IMO... Also Witchstock and many others.
- Crappy premiere.
- The sisters start b!tching about their destiny more than ever.
Season Seven
+ Zankou
+ Most of the second half.
+ Finale
+ Leo's actions last season actually having consequences.
- Some truly horrendous episodes early on.
- Sloppy Avatar story.
- The finale also gets a minus, because everyone can astral project and glamour all of a sudden.
- The Elders are worse than ever.
- Some of the special effects really start to go south.
Season Eight (I may change this list once my reviews are done)
+ Billie. Hear me out. I hated her intro with the costume and the stupid stunts and we'll see how I feel when she turns with Christy... but at the moment I'm at the point where she's just a young witch saving innocents, eager to learn and helping out. I'm actually liking her for now. More than the sisters or Leo anyway. Sure she says some stupid stuff and can be annoying sometimes, but at least she's a fairly nice person who actually gives a sh!t.
+ Paige and Henry: it was rushed, but they have great chemistry and Henry is an actual character, not a brainless a$$ kisser *cough*DEX*cough*
- Second time they let a decent series conclusion be nullified.
- Rehashed plots.
- Some really anticlimactic defeats.
- Some terrible acting and supposedly "comedic" moments.
- Piper and Leo are unbearable.
- Phoebe is back to season 6 quality self-involvement. And her selfishness is celebrated by the writers more than ever.
- Forever Charmed (doubt that one's gonna change with my rewatch)
I'm probably forgetting a ton of stuff, so I may come back to this later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 1:38:49 GMT -5
Sorry for knocking this thread off track folks, but when Rex and Hannah are needlessly attacked, I'm gonna stick up for them. Yeah, I didn't create them, but I've come to call them my own.
Anyhoo...
Season One Pros
1. Rex and Hannah (I'm sure no one is surprised by my inclusion of them on this list).
2. The sisters actually cared about saving Innocents and felt emotion when they lost one (like Piper when Billy died in the Wendigo episode).
3. Magic used for personal gain always had consequences (like when the numbers disappeared from the lottery ticket, so Phoebe couldn't cash in on her vision of the winning numbers).
4. Phoebe managed to keep all her clothes on.
5. Piper works at Quake, following her dream of one day becoming a Chef.
6. No Elders.
7. The sisters were sisters who happened to be witches, not the other way around.
8. Piper was much more mature than she would be in the later seasons..
9. The girls wore clothes appropriate for a family show (of course, Hellish had not yet joined the show and inflicted her "costumes" on it).
10. Prue and Andy had great chemistry.
11. That's 70'd Episode, our first real look at Patty and Penny.
Season One Cons
1. Sloppy research in regards to how witches were executed in Salem (none of them were burned, they were hanged, and one poor soul was crushed between two stones).
2. The Wendigo (cheap werewolf knock off).
3. The Rowe Brothers (over hyped as the evil Charmed Ones, but just run of the mill Warlocks).
4. Piper's pointless boyfriend, Josh.
5. Feats Of Clay. The fact that this episode had no less than five writers should explain it all, it was all over the place (and Clay was just blah).
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