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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 1:05:50 GMT -5
That story is not "in progress", that story is abandoned. I hate when that happens.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 12, 2016 1:42:13 GMT -5
Nope sadly. Have you seen his Season 8 videos for his alternate continuation of Season 4-8? they're still on his Youtube channel youtube.com/shiningallure Of course. I subscribe to his channel so I see everything he puts out. I've liked just about everything he'd done - the only thing I didn't like was his music video for one of my favorite movies, "Enchanted", but much more due to the song he chose - it didn't seem to fit "Enchanted" the way it would've fit his version of Charmed. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 12, 2016 6:21:59 GMT -5
Effectively season 4 was written for Prue Piper Phoebe, in a crescendo of drama that would be the right continuance of season 3
Season four is fit for the characters of the sisters: a tension between sisters born because of an attraction, just an attraction, between Prue and Cole would arouse a weakening of the bond between the sisters, maybe the memory of their non existent relations and the relative consequences in Morality Bites's reality would prevent a break between them but Prue and Phoebe's relations'ld be strained
Prue, faced with Phoebe's decision to share the fate of Cole / Source, would have that is Piper's strong reaction in the readapted season 4, tough against Phoebe, tough against herself as Piper would behave like Paige, trying to see positive signs everywhere, to calm her older sister, to find a way to get back her baby sister
In certain episodes of the fourth season, Prue's character emerges in tha action of one or the other sister,they failed to remove her entirely from the writings
Paige, just arrived in the Charmed Ones life, without a real bond with them, newbie in the magical world, clearly plays a role not suited to her character
Furthermore, as Piper's power was growing, it'ld have to grow also Prue's (in Morality Bites wipes out the attic as Wyatt in Imaginary Friend): together, Prue and Piper'ld cause a great match against Phoebe's evil powers
I like season four but I admit that with the real Charmed Ones the season'ld be much more charming
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Post by chillboyx on Feb 13, 2016 0:56:19 GMT -5
Season 4 was originally written to lead up to vanquishing the source. Season 5 was about phoebe's descent into evil and becoming the queen of the underworld. Another interesting i about the IMDb trivia, Julian (Cole) auditioned to be Andy. Had he gotten the role, Andy would not have died in season one. Pure would have had a love all along. And since Shannon started dating Julian, watch her Howard stern interview, Alissa ends up getting him as her love interest. Along with a story arc with him and her spanning 3 seasons and becoming the leaders of the underworld. Alyssa wins again! She gets the hot dude, on screen at least, and the most compelling story arch making her the new star of the show.the first 3 seasons centered heavily around Prue and her two side kicks. That shift had to bother Shannon a lot. Especially since it was pretty much her show. Shannon is already catty, but that's a lot to deal with. I may have quit the show too! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 1:04:34 GMT -5
Her name is spelled Shannen, not Shannon. Unusual, yes, but that is how she spelled it.
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Post by charmedagain4 on Feb 16, 2016 22:57:20 GMT -5
I am a firm believer that had Phoebe died, the series would have been much better. Prue would still be the leader most of the time, Piper would still be the mediator and heart of the family, and Paige would be the new light and slight comedic element that would bring a fresh take on the seasons. But the seasons would still be very much dark. Shannen directed a few episodes so maybe she would've directed premiers and finales. If the show got renewed for a season 5, then hopefully Shannen and Holly would become producers, creating better episodes. I think the series would end with season 5 but on a HIGH note. If anyone is interested, I am creating a season four of Charmed that is without Phoebe. In the series, Phoebe dies in the Underworld, leaving Prue and Piper in a wreck. But then they find out about Paige and have to save her from the Source. I have character arcs planned for each of the sisters which is very interesting. Check it out. It's on charmedthevirtualseries.wikia.com |
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Post by sol on Feb 17, 2016 2:36:05 GMT -5
Paige'ld never become the baby sistery, some of her traits overlaps with Prue's personality
Moreover, the strong link between Piper and Prue'ld be a stumbling block in relations between the sisters
Piper'ld remain the insecure sister, always in Prue's shadow, and Paige'ld feel isolated, a polar sister
For three years there have been: the strong and determined sister, the mediator and sweet sister, the reckless and generous sister
Any other personalities'ld upset the balance and, seeing that Paige'ld never being the oldest, that three people as Prue Phoebe and Paige'ld never manage to live in harmony, the less complicated combination is Piper Phoebe and Paige
I am nevertheless sure that season four would be a firework with the real Charmed Ones!
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 17, 2016 9:29:30 GMT -5
Paige'ld never become the baby sistery, some of her traits overlaps with Prue's personality Moreover, the strong link between Piper and Prue'ld be a stumbling block in relations between the sisters Piper'ld remain the insecure sister, always in Prue's shadow, and Paige'ld feel isolated, a polar sister For three years there have been: the strong and determined sister, the mediator and sweet sister, the reckless and generous sister Any other personalities'ld upset the balance and, seeing that Paige'ld never being the oldest, that three people as Prue Phoebe and Paige'ld never manage to live in harmony, the less complicated combination is Piper Phoebe and Paige I am nevertheless sure that season four would be a firework with the real Charmed Ones! So in your own mind, can you rewrite the season and tell us what it would've been like with these three? Because I *love* how you see all three Charmed Ones! |
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Post by sol on Feb 17, 2016 17:19:15 GMT -5
Sorry, Es I'm not a writer, I like to talk and observe, I think it'ld be useful for those who love to write a talk about characters and situations
Do a try, look a few episodes of season two and replace Phoebe with Paige, imagining that Paige acts and speaks like Phoebe, particularly in the relationship with Prue
It doesn't work it's like to force the character
But if Paige was acting as Paige, the episodes'ld be very different
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Post by sol on Feb 23, 2016 1:08:21 GMT -5
It'ld be nice, in a season 4 with the true CO, to keep a period without Prue to give space to the trio Piper Cole Phoebe, two witches and a half demon was a nice idea!
Maybe Leo just had the time to prevent Prue's death before being interrupted by paramedics and Prue went into a coma, the Elders, worried about the risk of exposure, would keep Leo from healing her although hopes were few
An history of this kind would certainly trigger Piper's fury!
Furthermore, the season 4 should be the one in which the sisters' powers increase and Phoebe discovers she is empathic - if the Oracle saw the development of Phoebe's powers, the Sorce'ld wish hers- the sisters'ld be able to vanquish the Source without the help of the matriarchs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 1:06:48 GMT -5
Had Phoebe taken a header through that wall, instead of Prue, she would have died the character I loved, as I said above.
However, this would have also meant that Kern would have been forced to abandon the Phoebe/Cole/Source story line. Perhaps then Paige would have gotten some much needed character development.
Just think, perhaps they could have made an episode in which Victor meets, and rejects, Paige, because she came from the romance that, in his eyes, broke up his marriage.
Victor: Who's this?
Prue: Dad, this is Paige, our half-sister.
Victor: Half-sister?
Paige: Yeah, I have the same mother as Prue and Piper, but a different father.
Victor: Wait, your father wouldn't happen to be Sam Wilder, the son of a bitch that broke up my marriage to Patty!?
Piper: Dad...
Victor: I'm sorry, but I can't deal with this right now. Storms out.
Paige: Was it something I said?
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Post by sol on Mar 11, 2016 1:40:13 GMT -5
I'm really happy because Ker'ldn't have been forced to abandon the Phoebe/Cole/Source story
And if I think at so adored Buffy and her four season, a big hrrah for Cole and Phoebe and Leo and Piper, starkly better then Buffy and Riley: in addition to the two frenetic sexual activity, they were a couple of annoying boringness!
And Cole was a great Source, another big hurrah for a Source with creative intelligence, starkly better then the Organization stolen to X files!
PS Tim, Victor is a gentleman, he'ld never treat Paige harshly
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 13:27:54 GMT -5
The Phoebe/Cole/Source story did nothing except ruin what would have been good season. It's no coincidence that the ratings sank like the Titanic when this arc began. This arc SHOULD have been abandoned when Shannen was fired.
Paige, on the other hand, was robbed of character development because of Phoebe/Cole. Heck, she lost half of an episode that should have been devoted to her (Paige From The Past) to make room for more Phoebe/Cole hi-jinks.
None of this would have happened had Phoebe died, instead of Prue. Paige then might have gotten a better introductory season, with more episodes devoted to fleshing her out.
As for Victor, remember how hostile he was to white lighters. He clearly blamed Sam for his marriage to Patty ending. And I think he would have treated Paige, the result of the Sam/Patty affair, harshly, at least at first. Yes, it wasn't Paige's fault, and that would have been pointed out to Victor by Prue and Piper. In the end, he would apologize and accept Paige as part of the family.
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Post by universalcharmed on Mar 23, 2016 1:12:31 GMT -5
I actually feel like without Phoebe Charmed wouldn't have been as iconic as it is. I mean the first 3 seasons are awesome with Prue but it was the later seasons that really defined Charmed and made it a classic. When people remember charmed they remember Piper and Leo relationship and Family issues, they remember Phoebe and her many love interest and Paige and her life careers. The earlier seasons where compared to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and was often called a Knock off but the later seasons really felt like its own. It became more then just about the which craft but about a Family and their struggles which really captivated the audience in the long run.
With any show ratings tend to go down as seasons go on. Even Buffy went down in ratings after it's third season. Prue's death didn't really effect the show that much in quality nor in ratings. If I had to pick between Prue and Phoebe without a doubt Phoebe was way better for the show in the long run the Prue was. I believe Piper did the big sister thing way better then Prue did and it fit her better. During this time she was the sole income provider and on her way to starting a family and was already married so she fit the big sister role better. Also seeing Phoebe grow up was a nice touch to the show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 4:34:14 GMT -5
The Phoebe/Cole/Source story did nothing except ruin what would have been good season. It's no coincidence that the ratings sank like the Titanic when this arc began. This arc SHOULD have been abandoned when Shannen was fired. Paige, on the other hand, was robbed of character development because of Phoebe/Cole. Heck, she lost half of an episode that should have been devoted to her (Paige From The Past) to make room for more Phoebe/Cole hi-jinks. None of this would have happened had Phoebe died, instead of Prue. Paige then might have gotten a better introductory season, with more episodes devoted to fleshing her out. As for Victor, remember how hostile he was to white lighters. He clearly blamed Sam for his marriage to Patty ending. And I think he would have treated Paige, the result of the Sam/Patty affair, harshly, at least at first. Yes, it wasn't Paige's fault, and that would have been pointed out to Victor by Prue and Piper. In the end, he would apologize and accept Paige as part of the family. I think I am one of the few people who quite enjoyed the second half of Season 4. I think it was the last time that all actors/tress were in top form. Yes, It was the first time we had the story arc but we had glimpses of that before with Dr. Griffths in Season 2, Bane, Piper-Leo-Dan and Season 3 has a whole entire story arc around Cole. Yup I agree that Connie's envisioned Charmed would have been better without Cole But Julian McMahon played Cole amazingly and kinda gave a manly appeal to the show. He was the character we hated to love and loved to hate! However, I think that if Alyssa stayed/Phoebe died - Cole and Prue would have got together. I think Shannen would have demanded a more dramatic actress. I think she would have roped Jennifer Love Hewitt into the show or someone like that. I think that Rose would have not have stayed longer if the show carried at the same serious-ness level as Seasons 1 - 4. She really did lax out during the last 4 Seasons. I do agree that Phoebe/Alyssa Milano was a critical factor to the shows success. Not just because of Whos the Boss or the Poster Girl shw was but Phoebe added to the comedic element of the show like no other actress actually did. I think she was actually one of the funniest and incredibly relatable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2016 4:40:05 GMT -5
The Phoebe/Cole/Source story did nothing except ruin what would have been good season. It's no coincidence that the ratings sank like the Titanic when this arc began. This arc SHOULD have been abandoned when Shannen was fired. Paige, on the other hand, was robbed of character development because of Phoebe/Cole. Heck, she lost half of an episode that should have been devoted to her (Paige From The Past) to make room for more Phoebe/Cole hi-jinks. None of this would have happened had Phoebe died, instead of Prue. Paige then might have gotten a better introductory season, with more episodes devoted to fleshing her out. As for Victor, remember how hostile he was to white lighters. He clearly blamed Sam for his marriage to Patty ending. And I think he would have treated Paige, the result of the Sam/Patty affair, harshly, at least at first. Yes, it wasn't Paige's fault, and that would have been pointed out to Victor by Prue and Piper. In the end, he would apologize and accept Paige as part of the family. I think I am one of the few people who quite enjoyed the second half of Season 4. I think it was the last time that all actors/tress were in top form. Yes, It was the first time we had the story arc but we had glimpses of that before with Dr. Griffths in Season 2, Bane, Piper-Leo-Dan and Season 3 has a whole entire story arc around Cole. Yup I agree that Connie's envisioned Charmed would have been better without Cole But Julian McMahon played Cole amazingly and kinda gave a manly appeal to the show. He was the character we hated to love and loved to hate! However, I think that if Alyssa left/Phoebe died - Cole and Prue would have got together. I think Shannen would have demanded a more dramatic actress. I think she would have roped Jennifer Love Hewitt into the show or someone like that. I think that Rose would have not have stayed longer if the show carried at the same serious-ness level as Seasons 1 - 4. She really did lax out during the last 4 Seasons. I do agree that Phoebe/Alyssa Milano was a critical factor to the shows success. Not just because of Whos the Boss or the Poster Girl shw was but Phoebe added to the comedic element of the show like no other actress actually did. I think she was actually one of the funniest and incredibly relatable. |
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Post by erikamarie on Apr 3, 2016 7:10:59 GMT -5
I didn't know Milano before Charmed nor do I know what she's doing now, apart from her commitment to UNICEF
I agree that she exudes a sense of lightness that in Charmed lightened dramatic situations
I have always loved the dialogues of Charmed, to write good dialogues, which were not melodramatic or banal or predictable is very difficult and always Phoebe's character has the ability to say those words that, even in the most unpredictable situations, induced a smile
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Post by piperfan2011 on Jan 15, 2017 14:02:07 GMT -5
While I love Alyssa Milano as an actress, maybe they should have had phoebe die instead of Prue?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2017 17:13:08 GMT -5
While I love Alyssa Milano as an actress, maybe they should have had phoebe die instead of Prue? Much as I would've preferred that happening so I could always remember Phoebs as the lovable baby of the family rather than PhoeME and Piper would've remained the heart of the family and not the selfish, self-centered bitch she turned into, I'm glad it didn't happen. Phoebe and Cole were the "it" couple of Charmed at that time. You take away her and substitute a stranger for her and fans would've turned off even quicker. The show never would've made it to 'Witch Way Now?' much less 'Forever Charmed'. No, wait. I wish it *had* been Phoebe who died... |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jan 16, 2017 7:28:08 GMT -5
Well I am not sure if fans would enjoy seeing the Phoebe/Cole relationship coming to a quick end and the show may not have been a huge ratings hit, and may have only lasted through season 4.
But saying that dears, I wished it *was* Phoebe who died.
But I much would of liked to have the original power of three still going into season 4, and if we *had* to see any sister dying it would be at the conclusion of The Source and Cole arc when season 4 finishes.
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