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Post by jdpm1991 on Feb 23, 2016 20:45:39 GMT -5
Holly, Alyssa and Shannen had a 4 season contract, does that mean it was only supposed to have lasted 4 seasons and then end?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 23, 2016 21:53:02 GMT -5
Holly, Alyssa and Shannen had a 4 season contract, does that mean it was only supposed to have lasted 4 seasons and then end? Well, I'm sure they hoped it would last longer...but that gives them a long enough time to figure out if it would. |
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 23, 2016 23:41:16 GMT -5
I believe it was stated on several different occasions that the actual plotline of Season 4 was a rushed variation of what they originally had in mind. It was going to be a gradual build up that culminates in the final vanquish of the Source in Season 5. Although I also hear how Phoebe was originally supposed to become evil while stuck in the Underworld. One thing I do know is Paige wasn't part of that storyline. She was a hastily thrown together replacement for Prue that shows right down to the mistrust and animosity they have towards him.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 24, 2016 0:32:52 GMT -5
I believe it was stated on several different occasions that the actual plotline of Season 4 was a rushed variation of what they originally had in mind. It was going to be a gradual build up that culminates in the final vanquish of the Source in Season 5. Although I also hear how Phoebe was originally supposed to become evil while stuck in the Underworld. One thing I do know is Paige wasn't part of that storyline. She was a hastily thrown together replacement for Prue that shows right down to the mistrust and animosity they have towards him. I don't think that happened until after Brad Kern took over for Season Three and they had a pretty good idea that Charmed would continue past the end of the first contracts. But what they had in mind when they signed Shannen, Holly and Alyssa to those first four-year contracts we'll never know for sure, especially after Ted King decided to leave after Season One so they kept Brian Krause instead, which means Season Two ended up being different than originally planned. Ditto for Season Three, Four and the possible Five. It's just like Season Six. Had Brian Krause not signed his second contract, Drew Fuller would've been the sisters' whitelighter for the rest of the series and that would obviously mean a totally different storyline including Chris not being Leo's son, unless as originally originally planned, a grown Wyatt, although they quickly decided that was too cliche. So would he have been Paige's or not even a Halliwell? Would he have been good or evil? We'll never know for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 10:56:06 GMT -5
At the very least, the main original arc of the sisters facing and defeating the Source was meant to end at Season 4. Connie had supposedly created an outline for the show up to that point, and there's evidence in many early episodes (especially "Wicca Envy") that the idea of the Source as the "true" Big Bad was something that had been planned out from the beginning and wasn't just something Kern came up with in Season 3.
Now, the stuff with Cole was likely 100% Kern and not part of Connie's original plan at all. Connie was against the idea of Cole and Phoebe having a huge "forbidden romance" arc, which is what led to her getting demoted to "Executive Consultant" in Season 3.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 25, 2016 8:51:57 GMT -5
I doubt we will ever know. I imagine had the show still been successful at the end of season 4 (with the original P3), then the network would have renewed the show and the actors would have signed new contracts if they wanted to continue.
Other shows have this as well, contracts run out and they get re-signed if the show continues.
They probably only made a four season plan at the start of Charmed because they didn't know how successful it would be. When Rose signed on she got a 5 season contract, so even though a lot of the later seasons were thrown together they still seemed to have a plan to at least do 8 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 13:45:41 GMT -5
Supernatural is a prime example here. It was originally only supposed to run five seasons, but now it's heading into its second decade.
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 25, 2016 18:34:24 GMT -5
Supernatural is a prime example here. It was originally only supposed to run five seasons, but now it's heading into its second decade. The difference is Supernatural has a very committed fanbase. More than that -- the drop in quality is nowhere near as pronounced like it was for Charmed. I feel comfortable in asserting that Season 11 is closer to the quality of S4 and S5 than anything (though not completely equal to them). Charmed never really could match the same momentum or chemistry it had in the first few years of its running with the latter seasons. The fact that they lost one one of their original and, in my opinion, best characters on the show only exacerbated the issue. There's still quite a few memorable episodes/scenes and I think the actors are still faithful to the characters they play. Also, it helps to know that they don't have same kind of behind the scenes turmoil like Charmed did. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2016 19:59:55 GMT -5
Or if they have, they didn't need to use it as an excuse to get rid of one of the stars.
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Post by sol on Feb 26, 2016 11:07:01 GMT -5
As Gilmore Girls, one of the best Charmed qualities are the dialogues, dialogue of good quality, which are a mix of humore and seriousness are not easy to write, especially taking into account the stiffness of the times
It's how writing a musical score, so many notes, so many phrases
However, the duration of a series depends not only on audience satisfaction, Gilmore Girls was much loved and was interrupted abruptly, ditto Flash Forward and sometimes the love of the fans is blind, from the end of Season 5 Supernatural went off a lot
If they were the Winchester sisters and not brothers, I have the sad suspicion that fan'ld be complaining quite a lot but they are guys, hot guys, so all is allowed to them
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 1, 2016 6:42:51 GMT -5
I doubt we will ever know. I imagine had the show still been successful at the end of season 4 (with the original P3), then the network would have renewed the show and the actors would have signed new contracts if they wanted to continue. Other shows have this as well, contracts run out and they get re-signed if the show continues. They probably only made a four season plan at the start of Charmed because they didn't know how successful it would be. When Rose signed on she got a 5 season contract, so even though a lot of the later seasons were thrown together they still seemed to have a plan to at least do 8 seasons. Rather than planning for four more seasons when they signed those contracts, I wonder if they were hoping for four more seasons. I really don't think they planned much, especially when Chris' story mainly came about when Brian Krause wasn't going to sign his second contract. I think a lot of it was just based on what was going on in real life and most of the scripts were written on the fly, hence all of the inconsistencies. |
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 4, 2016 16:48:42 GMT -5
I doubt we will ever know. I imagine had the show still been successful at the end of season 4 (with the original P3), then the network would have renewed the show and the actors would have signed new contracts if they wanted to continue. Other shows have this as well, contracts run out and they get re-signed if the show continues. They probably only made a four season plan at the start of Charmed because they didn't know how successful it would be. When Rose signed on she got a 5 season contract, so even though a lot of the later seasons were thrown together they still seemed to have a plan to at least do 8 seasons. Rather than planning for four more seasons when they signed those contracts, I wonder if they were hoping for four more seasons. I really don't think they planned much, especially when Chris' story mainly came about when Brian Krause wasn't going to sign his second contract. I think a lot of it was just based on what was going on in real life and most of the scripts were written on the fly, hence all of the inconsistencies. That's normal for tv shows to have inconsistencies and also scripts changing. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 20:03:15 GMT -5
I keep thinking that if 4x22 was the ending, I would actually be ok with it. I mean 88 episodes is a good run. The British seem to have series for 2- 4 seasons with only 12 - 15 episodes and they have much better quality.
But if it had to continue, Season 5 should have consisted off:
a) Paige not quitting her job, but following her dream of being a social worker. I don't know why they gave this up.
b) Wyatt being a girl, not a boy. This was a show about girl power! I wouldn't have minded Chris being a boy.
c) Phoebe and Jason getting together and staying together - him being the Darren version from B*Witched
d) I think if they wanted to demonize Cole more, they should have done it from the start a bit better. I think that the 100th episode was done well to get rid of his character but Cole was the character we loved to hate.
e) No mermaids, fairy tales or other silly creatures, outfits that made sense
f) Rose keeping her hair with a tint or red
g) Paige moving out or wanting to be more independent - which the show touched on, but I would have liked to see a more "us" and "them" dynamic or a Prue-Phoebe kind of relationship between the sisters.
h) I think a little more grief from Phoebe about losing her baby (even though it wasn't her baby), or seeing her work through depression after losing so much would have been interesting
i) They made Paige an alcoholic but never really played with that storyline
j) I dont think Pipers baby should have been a great power. I think that making him more powerful than the Charmed Ones made them sort of redundant
k)I can not stress that I would have liked to have seen Paige in more emotional roles with hardcore acting.
l) I would have liked to have seen one of the sisters go out with a non-white guy or Darryls younger brother
m) We never should have been able to see what was 'up there' or meet an elder.
n) I think the wardrobe was very misaligned in this season. The sisters always kinda looked Witchy or Warrior Princessy and their outfits were coordinated.
o) I think Gypsies could have been written into the show more - potential love interest for Phoebe.
p) Phoebe should have had 1 premonition per episode and her levitation could have been substituted for Astral Projection or Empahty
q) The Avatars should have been the Season Finale if it had to be 2 parts.
r) Paiges birth or pregnancy secret could have been explored more - a past episode.
s) Obviously Prue coming back - or another actress, or the Book of Showdows becoming her spirit.
t) Patty and Grams signed on for an arc
u) Drew Fullers character coming in at the end of Season 5 as a result of the Avatars, not Wyatt turning evil
v) Phoebe trusting more in witchcraft and proud of being a witch again at the end of S5.
w) Coles mother coming back in an epiosde
x) Paige ending up with Glenn
y) Piper freezing more often
z) Pipers pregnancy detailed more
Probably too much to cram into one season. but meh!
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 6, 2016 20:54:08 GMT -5
I keep thinking that if 4x22 was the ending, I would actually be ok with it. I mean 88 episodes is a good run. The British seem to have series for 2- 4 seasons with only 12 - 15 episodes and they have much better quality. But if it had to continue, Season 5 should have consisted off: a) Paige not quitting her job, but following her dream of being a social worker. I don't know why they gave this up. b) Wyatt being a girl, not a boy. This was a show about girl power! I wouldn't have minded Chris being a boy. c) Phoebe and Jason getting together and staying together - him being the Darren version from B*Witched d) I think if they wanted to demonize Cole more, they should have done it from the start a bit better. I think that the 100th episode was done well to get rid of his character but Cole was the character we loved to hate. e) No mermaids, fairy tales or other silly creatures, outfits that made sense f) Rose keeping her hair with a tint or red g) Paige moving out or wanting to be more independent - which the show touched on, but I would have liked to see a more "us" and "them" dynamic or a Prue-Phoebe kind of relationship between the sisters. h) I think a little more grief from Phoebe about losing her baby (even though it wasn't her baby), or seeing her work through depression after losing so much would have been interesting i) They made Paige an alcoholic but never really played with that storyline j) I dont think Pipers baby should have been a great power. I think that making him more powerful than the Charmed Ones made them sort of redundant k)I can not stress that I would have liked to have seen Paige in more emotional roles with hardcore acting. l) I would have liked to have seen one of the sisters go out with a non-white guy or Darryls younger brother m) We never should have been able to see what was 'up there' or meet an elder. n) I think the wardrobe was very misaligned in this season. The sisters always kinda looked Witchy or Warrior Princessy and their outfits were coordinated. o) I think Gypsies could have been written into the show more - potential love interest for Phoebe. p) Phoebe should have had 1 premonition per episode and her levitation could have been substituted for Astral Projection or Empahty q) The Avatars should have been the Season Finale if it had to be 2 parts. r) Paiges birth or pregnancy secret could have been explored more - a past episode. s) Obviously Prue coming back - or another actress, or the Book of Showdows becoming her spirit. t) Patty and Grams signed on for an arc u) Drew Fullers character coming in at the end of Season 5 as a result of the Avatars, not Wyatt turning evil v) Phoebe trusting more in witchcraft and proud of being a witch again at the end of S5. w) Coles mother coming back in an epiosde x) Paige ending up with Glenn y) Piper freezing more often z) Pipers pregnancy detailed more Probably too much to cram into one season. but meh! You really don't want to be in that line of social work that Paige is in b/c the pay is bad and it's a very high stressful job. Paige was better off quitting that job before it burned her out. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 21:35:05 GMT -5
I think any job has its stressful elements. Paige was good at what she did. And the premise of the show was about three sisters who battle demons and balance being 21st century woman as well.
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Post by West on Mar 6, 2016 23:33:42 GMT -5
I think any job has its stressful elements. Paige was good at what she did. And the premise of the show was about three sisters who battle demons and balance being 21st century woman as well. Of course, that job was her dream. The writers kept changing things for no reason. Piper gets a club not a restaurant in season 2, due to WB pressure for musical guests. Paige quits her job for such stupid reasons for story. Phoebe becomes an advise columnist, with her degree she could of been a councilor for young kids who she could help and relate too given her past or something similar, the bay mirror was my least favorite job of all sisters. The writers sadly didn't give the sisters the jobs right or made off changes. |
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Post by sol on Mar 7, 2016 2:15:23 GMT -5
Paige quits her jon as assistant social worker when she was promoted to social worker
Paige: Yeah, Cowan already gave me the big responsibility speech. No more coming to work late, no more long lunches.
As she likes the job, Paige is a person who doesn't like rules and schedules and more responsibility doesn't conform to her role as witch, a role she loves a lot
Paige has a strong personality but very restless, in another thread Erikamarie pointed out that it's typical of former alcoholics change often jobs, get bored easily, Paige's personality in this case was well definited
Charmed is a story about three sisters, not about woman powers, I liked that Piper's first born was a boy and it's a legend that Wyatt was more powwerfull then the Power of Three, more powerful than a single Charmed Ones, maybe
Maybe because the magic that Wyatt is able to evoke with his mind, his mother can get it with a spell, the power of the sisters in a season as the fourth has not yet fully developed
I agree that the Elders would have to remain a mystery instead of becoming the bureaucrats of the Good
Phoebe not trusting a lot witchcraft was a normal way to bear her grief for her baby's loss - her and Cole's baby
I admit that apart from a few episodes - but there is no season where I like all the episodes - and of the first episodes of season 7, I'm glad that Charned had other 4 seasons
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Post by West on Mar 7, 2016 3:12:07 GMT -5
Paige quits her jon as assistant social worker when she was promoted to social worker Paige: Yeah, Cowan already gave me the big responsibility speech. No more coming to work late, no more long lunches. As she likes the job, Paige is a person who doesn't like rules and schedules and more responsibility doesn't conform to her role as witch, a role she loves a lot Paige has a strong personality but very restless, in another thread Erikamarie pointed out that it's typical of former alcoholics change often jobs, get bored easily, Paige's personality in this case was well definited Charmed is a story about three sisters, not about woman powers, I liked that Piper's first born was a boy and it's a legend that Wyatt was more powwerfull then the Power of Three, more powerful than a single Charmed Ones, maybe Maybe because the magic that Wyatt is able to evoke with his mind, his mother can get it with a spell, the power of the sisters in a season as the fourth has not yet fully developed I agree that the Elders would have to remain a mystery instead of becoming the bureaucrats of the GoodPhoebe not trusting a lot witchcraft was a normal way to bear her grief for her baby's loss - her and Cole's baby I admit that apart from a few episodes - but there is no season where I like all the episodes - and of the first episodes of season 7, I'm glad that Charned had other 4 seasons Paige being a former alcoholic, is something they never dealt with more. Like I always forget she was even one to begin with, unless someone points it out. I agree, they never should of been seen or called elders and just known as they. Just like the Source should of remained like he did in All Hell Breaks Loose, where he is hooded, and the mythology of him more like the early parts of season 4. I could even live with never seeing him at all, and being mentioned. He was more a threat then. What you cant see is more scary and threatening than when the hood comes off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 11:10:11 GMT -5
Paige being a former alcoholic, is something they never dealt with more. Like I always forget she was even one to begin with, unless someone points it out. As I've said before, it's very obvious that after a point, the writers decided to just stop developing Paige as a character and start writing her as if she had always been there the whole time, as if she never had a life and history before the Charmed Ones. Her adoptive family completely vanished from the show, as did her friends (after that Season 5 episode Glen was in), and we saw Victor treating her as if she was his biological daughter and not the love child of the affair that destroyed his marriage with Patty. This started to become painfully obvious as early as the latter half of Season 4, with Paige playing a role in the Dark Phoebe storyline that was VERY obviously intended for Prue. We know that this storyline was already in planning before Shannen was fired, so it wouldn't surprise me if they just took old scripts and lazily swapped out "Prue" for "Paige." I agree, they never should of been seen or called elders and just known as they. Just like the Source should of remained like he did in All Hell Breaks Loose, where he is hooded, and the mythology of him more like the early parts of season 4. I could even live with never seeing him at all, and being mentioned. He was more a threat then. What you cant see is more scary and threatening than when the hood comes off. I agree 100%. Both the Elders and the Source turned into jokes after we started seeing them, and a lot of mystery was lost on the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 13:06:02 GMT -5
As I said, it was like something right out of the novel, 1984. Paige is a Charmed One, Paige was always a Charmed One.
As I said, when an actor leaves a show, that means that previously planned storylines either have to be adjusted or dropped completely. Season Four should have been about Paige, her fitting into her new life, and such. They should have done an episode in which Victor rejects Paige because she sprang from the union that broke up his marriage. This would have been a good storyline.
However, Kern was not willing to abandon his Phoebe/Cole/Source storyline, push it back, yes, but abandon it, nope. That is why Paige was robbed of badly needed character development and became just a Prue substitute.
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