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Post by val1993 on Feb 24, 2016 14:02:16 GMT -5
I usually only rewatch seasons 1-4 of "Charmed", I was trying to watch episodes from season 5 and 6 and I wasn't really hooked... but then I started watching season 7 and I found out that I was enjoying pretty much every single episode! I mean I'm not a huge fan of this plain "demon of the week" concept but both halves of season 7 were really interesting and unhacked. I like the episodes about Avatars which were pretty entertaining cause it was unevident whether they were another "Big Bad Wolf" and they turned out to be quite ambiguous, and then we got Zankou who was pretty smart and almost destroyed the sisters who were ready to give up on themselves. The only thing I wondered why he didn't bring Prue back to life in 7x21 (yes, I know the off-screen reason) but still his shrewdness was almost flawless. I tend to think that the signature atmosphere of "Charmed" was captured in Season 3 and 4 and while watching season 7 I actually felt that atmosphere again. So, what do you think?
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Post by esperanzaa on Feb 24, 2016 16:31:40 GMT -5
I usually only rewatch seasons 1-4 of "Charmed", I was trying to watch episodes from season 5 and 6 and I wasn't really hooked... but then I started watching season 7 and I found out that I was enjoying pretty much every single episode! I mean I'm not a huge fan of this plain "demon of the week" concept but both halves of season 7 were really interesting and unhacked. I like the episodes about Avatars which were pretty entertaining cause it was unevident whether they were another "Big Bad Wolf" and they turned out to be quite ambiguous, and then we got Zankou who was pretty smart and almost destroyed the sisters who were ready to give up on themselves. The only thing I wondered why he didn't bring Prue back to life in 7x21 (yes, I know the off-screen reason) but still his shrewdness was almost flawless. I tend to think that the signature atmosphere of "Charmed" was captured in Season 3 and 4 and while watching season 7 I actually felt that atmosphere again. So, what do you think? I completely agree with everything you said, especially about the atmosphere, I also like S7 very much. I am in minority here, but I enjoyed the Avater storyline. Thus in my opinion, Charmed shouldn't be divided in S1-S4 and S5-S8. |
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Post by Sadrick on Feb 24, 2016 16:58:13 GMT -5
I rank it as being the best of the post-S4 era and the second best of Paige's tenure. The Avatars were an interesting concept that ultimately had poor execution. Zankou was the best part of it all and unfortunately he slipped back into familiar trappings of the show's long list of overly arrogant villains who think they can't be stopped. Quite a few of the episodes are forgettable and the characterisation of the sisters is still largely abysmal.
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Post by sol on Feb 24, 2016 17:48:38 GMT -5
I like from There is something about Leo to Charmegeddon: as always I'ld prefer that Avatars story was better analyzed, they'ld have avoided 3-4 annoying episodes leaving more space to changed world of the dream of Utopia
I like The Seven Year Witch and then from Little Box of Horrors to Something Wicca This Way Goes, an episode that I like a lot, it'ld be a great finale
I think Zankou was the most interesting villain: strong, powerful, intelligent but curious, a puppeteer with a good knowledge of human feelings
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 24, 2016 18:58:15 GMT -5
My problem with S7 is that I don't like any of the Charmed Ones except for Phoebe in "Show Ghouls", Piper and Leo in "Scry Hard", and all of them in "Something Wicca This Way Goes". It's Kyra, Drake and Zankou who make the season watchable and who I enjoy. The storylines, especially the avatar one, is typical for storylines from S4-8 where they're good ideas done horribly, and in the case of S6-8, boringly.
I've discovered I prefer the non-Cole parts of S5 (I count 'Oh, My Goddess!' as part of S6 for obvious reasons) much more than anything in S7 except for "Show Ghouls" and "Something Wicca This Way Goes'.
But of course that's just my own opinion. I'm glad that others have stuff in those seasons that they can enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 14:10:03 GMT -5
Nope, you're not the only one. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate it even more now that I watch Season 5 until 'Cat House' and then jump straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - it makes Season 5 so much more bearable and I get to completely avoid Season 6.
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Post by val1993 on Feb 29, 2016 14:16:10 GMT -5
Nope, you're not the only one. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate it even more now that I watch Season 5 until 'Cat House' and then jump straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - it makes Season 5 so much more bearable and I get to completely avoid Season 6. Yay, makes at least two of us cause I hate Season 6 as well (always found Chris pretty annoying). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 14:22:56 GMT -5
Nope, you're not the only one. I really enjoyed it. I appreciate it even more now that I watch Season 5 until 'Cat House' and then jump straight to 'Styx Feet Under' - it makes Season 5 so much more bearable and I get to completely avoid Season 6. Yay, makes at least two of us cause I hate Season 6 as well (always found Chris pretty annoying). I agree. I could've got on board with Season 6 if it hadn't been SO Chris-centric, or if he'd been played by a better actor, but now if I'm in the mood for Season 5, I'll watch up until 'Cat House' - putting it after 'Necromancing...' - as it sets a nice tone for the Piper/Leo drama in Season 7. If you just think of 'Styx...' as two years have passed you can imagine for yourself what went down between them. |
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Post by val1993 on Feb 29, 2016 14:30:22 GMT -5
Yay, makes at least two of us cause I hate Season 6 as well (always found Chris pretty annoying). I agree. I could've got on board with Season 6 if it hadn't been SO Chris-centric, or if he'd been played by a better actor, but now if I'm in the mood for Season 5, I'll watch up until 'Cat House' - putting it after 'Necromancing...' - as it sets a nice tone for the Piper/Leo drama in Season 7. If you just think of 'Styx...' as two years have passed you can imagine for yourself what went down between them. I sooooo enjoyed the Piper/Leo drama especially in the second half. Also, I have to say that I loved all the episodes with the Angel of Death in "Charmed" although "Styx..." was not as powerful as "Death Takes a Halliwell" IMHO. Another reason for me enjoying Season 7 was Rose because her acting wasn't that bad as opposed to previous season (although I wished they didn't make her look like some dumb in some episodes...). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 15:48:47 GMT -5
I agree. I could've got on board with Season 6 if it hadn't been SO Chris-centric, or if he'd been played by a better actor, but now if I'm in the mood for Season 5, I'll watch up until 'Cat House' - putting it after 'Necromancing...' - as it sets a nice tone for the Piper/Leo drama in Season 7. If you just think of 'Styx...' as two years have passed you can imagine for yourself what went down between them. I sooooo enjoyed the Piper/Leo drama especially in the second half. Also, I have to say that I loved all the episodes with the Angel of Death in "Charmed" although "Styx..." was not as powerful as "Death Takes a Halliwell" IMHO. Another reason for me enjoying Season 7 was Rose because her acting wasn't that bad as opposed to previous season (although I wished they didn't make her look like some dumb in some episodes...). Yeah me too. Styx... isn't a perfect episode, but it does feel like a good opener for Season 7 and you also get to bypass the Leo/Gideon aftermath of the first few episodes, which are confusing if you've skipped S6 obviously. Agreed, I liked Rose with Kerr Smith. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 19:58:27 GMT -5
For the most part, I think season 7 is split down the middle in terms of quality.
7A- The Avatar arc was messy, to put it lightly. I appreciate what they tried to do with Leo. It has some decent episodes here and there... but when it's bad, I do think it's eye scratchingly bad (A Call to Arms, Cheaper by the Coven, Charrrmed, Bare Witch Project etc.) Also Leslie.
7B- Drake injects some joy into the series again. We have Zankou, a competent villain with presence. Fun episodes like 'Little Box', 'Show Ghouls' and 'Freaky Phoebe'. And a series/season finale where the stakes actually feel legitimately high for the first time in years.
Yeah, it's very much a season of two halves for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 13:28:40 GMT -5
Season 7 was definitely a "season of two halves," as P3Nathan put it. The Avatar stuff (which, BTW, was a scrapped Phoebe/Cole storyline from Season 5 that was hastily re-written for Piper/Leo) from the first half was boring, inconsistent, and anticlimactic, but I enjoyed the latter half of the season. The finale was one of the show's best and really should've been the end of the series.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2016 17:27:00 GMT -5
If you start with the Billy Zane episodes, you have a pretty good season. Zankou was the best villain they'd had in years.
I honestly don't know what possessed Kern to dig up that rubbish Avatar stuff and just replace Phoebe/Cole with Piper/Leo. And then you have Bare Witch Project and Once In A Blue Moon, two of the most sexist episodes I've ever seen.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Mar 8, 2016 10:19:30 GMT -5
S7 had a good story arc for once and it was planned long termed. This is something other seasons lacked. If they look at the progress of a show, then they should have made some agreements for new seasons earlier. It would have saved the show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 13:08:04 GMT -5
If all the S7 episodes, prior to the Billy Zane ones, were forever destroyed, I wouldn't mind a bit.
Yes, I'd be sad to lose Kira the Seer, but she was, IMO, the only one good thing in that rubbish first half of Season Seven.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Mar 8, 2016 15:15:38 GMT -5
S7 had a good story arc for once and it was planned long termed. This is something other seasons lacked. If they look at the progress of a show, then they should have made some agreements for new seasons earlier. It would have saved the show. That maybe b/c they thought season 7 was going to be the last season even though they were contracted for another season it was not a guarantee that it would happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 17:30:14 GMT -5
It was clear that Something Wicca This Way Goes was written as the series finale. They clearly thought the show was done
Remember, Season Eight wasn't commissioned because the WB felt we fans deserved another season. Rather it was commissioned just to fill a hole in their schedule, nothing more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 20:24:11 GMT -5
For the most part, I think season 7 is split down the middle in terms of quality. 7A- The Avatar arc was messy, to put it lightly. I appreciate what they tried to do with Leo. It has some decent episodes here and there... but when it's bad, I do think it's eye scratchingly bad (A Call to Arms, Cheaper by the Coven, Charrrmed, Bare Witch Project etc.) Also Leslie. 7B- Drake injects some joy into the series again. We have Zankou, a competent villain with presence. Fun episodes like 'Little Box', 'Show Ghouls' and 'Freaky Phoebe'. And a series/season finale where the stakes actually feel legitimately high for the first time in years. Yeah, it's very much a season of two halves for me. Yup. It was a Season of two halves. It was almost like two different Seasons in one. I liked Season 7 more than 6 and 8. The last half definitely was better. I wouldn't have minded S7 being the series final. Not that I absolutely hated Season 8 but the writing looked like it had improved in Season 7 and it was going back to being dark again. I look back at Season 7 and tie it with Season 5. 3 & 4 are equally my first 1 & 2 are equally my second 5 & 7 are equally my third 6 & 8 are equally my fourth PS I KNOW UNLIKED is not a word 135 7-01 4301135 12/Sep/04 A Call To Arms UNLIKED 136 7-02 4301136 19/Sep/04 The Bare Witch Project UNLIKED 137 7-03 4301137 26/Sep/04 Cheaper by the Coven MISSED OPPORTUNITY / UNLIKED 138 7-04 4301138 03/Oct/04 Charrrmed! UNLIKED 139 7-05 4301139 10/Oct/04 Styx Feet Under LIKED 140 7-06 4301140 17/Oct/04 Once in a Blue Moon LIKED 141 7-07 4301141 31/Oct/04 Someone to Witch Over Me LIKED 142 7-08 4301142 14/Nov/04 Charmed Noir UNLIKED 143 7-09 4301143 21/Nov/04 There's Something About Leo LIKED 144 7-10 4301144 28/Nov/04 Witchness Protection LIKED 145 7-11 4301145 16/Jan/05 Ordinary Witches LIKED 146 7-12 4301146 23/Jan/05 Extreme Makeover: World Edition LIKED 147 7-13 4301147 30/Jan/05 Charmageddon LIKED 148 7-14 4301148 13/Feb/05 Carpe Demon LIKED 149 7-15 4301149 20/Feb/05 Show Ghouls LIKED 150 7-16 4301150 10/Apr/05 The Seven Year Witch LIKED 151 7-17 4301151 17/Apr/05 Scry Hard LIKED 152 7-18 4301152 24/Apr/05 Little Box of Horrors UNLIKED 153 7-19 4301153 01/May/05 Freaky Phoebe UNLIKED 154 7-20 4301154 08/May/05 Imaginary Fiends LIKED 155 7-21 4301155 15/May/05 Death Becomes Them LIKED 156 7-22 4301156 22/May/05 Something Wicca This Way Goes LIKED |
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Post by West on Mar 8, 2016 20:40:14 GMT -5
I must say I much prefer the ending to season 7 or 8 as a series final. Still I had issues with the sisters this season, but I would of been happier with ending it here and season 8 never happens. Because it means the comics have much more room to work going forward.
I didn't like the Avatar stuff it got so rushed, but I am curious if this arc was planned for 5 with Cole and got dumped when Julian left. I do wonder what would of happened if Julian did stay for all of season 5, and this arc happened with Cole and not Leo. Still turns out bad either way I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 9:30:11 GMT -5
I am curious if this arc was planned for 5 with Cole and got dumped when Julian left. I do wonder what would of happened if Julian did stay for all of season 5, and this arc happened with Cole and not Leo. Still turns out bad either way I reckon. That is usually thought to be the case. There are bits of dialogue where it seems really blatant. I can't remember the exact episode, but there was one scene in particular where Leo was talking to the Avatars about his new powers and asked "what was the point if he can't get Piper back?" Definitely looked like they'd just swapped out "Cole and Phoebe" for "Leo and Piper" in some of the scripts. Plus there was all the stuff about the sisters being suspicious and seeing Leo as crazy and potentially dangerous- it all sounds very similar to s5 Cole when you think about it. |
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