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Post by stratego on Jul 30, 2020 15:32:10 GMT -5
When I was 16 in August 1999.
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Post by forbuss on Aug 24, 2020 23:52:46 GMT -5
I think it's fabulous how so many people started when they were kids. I am from a pretty small town and I know a lot of my friends weren't allowed to watch it because it was "witches" and that was like not okay...
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Post by cyma on Aug 26, 2020 13:21:22 GMT -5
I think it's fabulous how so many people started when they were kids. I am from a pretty small town and I know a lot of my friends weren't allowed to watch it because it was "witches" and that was like not okay... This surprises me. Belief in supernatural and religion is still very strong here. Enough to get people riled up, riot and even kill each other. We've got shows and movies banned, books, art and properties burned. A million rules about how women should act. Yet Charmed is absolutely okay to watch and re-watch. I can't explain it, but one thing I know is that Charmed doesn't meet the definition of witches I've grown up with. For one, they're supposed to have their feet backwards. It's been drilled into us since childhood that if we were to ever encounter something like a witch, we are not to look let alone engage. Don't listen to what she says. Just recite whatever prayer we know and find a crowded place and just hurry home. Imagine my surprise when I discovered through Charmed that something like witch trials took place for real. From all the witchy stories and incidents I've heard, I got the strong impression if you try to catch them, you or your family will be the one drowned, hung or burned or go mad. That is considering you don't faint first or have a heart attack from fear just being in their presence too long. |
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Post by forbuss on Aug 27, 2020 1:26:53 GMT -5
I think it's fabulous how so many people started when they were kids. I am from a pretty small town and I know a lot of my friends weren't allowed to watch it because it was "witches" and that was like not okay... This surprises me. Belief in supernatural and religion is still very strong here. Enough to get people riled up, riot and even kill each other. We've got shows and movies banned, books, art and properties burned. A million rules about how women should act. Yet Charmed is absolutely okay to watch and re-watch. I can't explain it, but one thing I know is that Charmed doesn't meet the definition of witches I've grown up with. For one, they're supposed to have their feet backwards. It's been drilled into us since childhood that if we were to ever encounter something like a witch, we are not to look let alone engage. Don't listen to what she says. Just recite whatever prayer we know and find a crowded place and just hurry home. Imagine my surprise when I discovered through Charmed that something like witch trials took place for real. From all the witchy stories and incidents I've heard, I got the strong impression if you try to catch them, you or your family will be the one drowned, hung or burned or go mad. That is considering you don't faint first or have a heart attack from fear just being in their presence too long. Which area of the world is this? I am in Canada. I feel really lucky about that, especially lately. I think there are more people than I realize here who are like that. I took a class in university about the witch trails in Europe - in short, no one really knew who the people were they burnt. I think back in those times appearing to not believe in god would be enough to classify you as a witch. Maybe they weren't considered witches where you are because the Charmed sisters were essentially Christian, right? |
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Aug 27, 2020 8:38:21 GMT -5
I was 14 years old when I first watched Charmed when it started on October 7th, 1998.
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Post by cyma on Aug 30, 2020 16:29:08 GMT -5
Which area of the world is this? I am in Canada. I feel really lucky about that, especially lately. Indian subcontinent. Also I found the description of what we refer to as witch: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChurelInteresting thing is that cremation or burning instead of proper burial of women who died traumatically, unnatural death actually turns them into witches after their deaths. By this definition, it would seem the witch trials actually gave birth to new witches. I had no idea there were witch trials in Europe. Naive me thought it's just Salem because that's what Sabrina and Charmed always mentioned. But 50,000 people burned with 80 percent of them women? With such a dark part of history, it's no wonder even Charmed witches would be viewed negatively by some. I've been thinking about that. I think it's simply because Charmed witches weren't something like the American Horror Story witches. Or the show's tone was never like the scary shows nowadays which are just too disturbing to watch. It was more like fairytale books and Disney movies and ofcourse Wizard of Oz where I learned about witches and magic and bad witches and good witches thing. And on the drama side it was like Full House according to my Aunt though I've never seen the show. But I was reminded of the book series about twin sisters Sweet Valley and Fear Street series. Charmed definitely made the right decision when they got angry at Elders rather than God and tried to distance itself as much from the mainstream religions and made up its own stuff rather than mess with things like Lucifer and Supernatural did. Characters on those shows were talking constantly about hating God and angel drama which really got annoying quick. |
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Post by forbuss on Aug 30, 2020 20:18:04 GMT -5
Which area of the world is this? I am in Canada. I feel really lucky about that, especially lately. Indian subcontinent. Also I found the description of what we refer to as witch: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChurelInteresting thing is that cremation or burning instead of proper burial of women who died traumatically, unnatural death actually turns them into witches after their deaths. By this definition, it would seem the witch trials actually gave birth to new witches. I had no idea there were witch trials in Europe. Naive me thought it's just Salem because that's what Sabrina and Charmed always mentioned. But 50,000 people burned with 80 percent of them women? With such a dark part of history, it's no wonder even Charmed witches would be viewed negatively by some. I've been thinking about that. I think it's simply because Charmed witches weren't something like the American Horror Story witches. Or the show's tone was never like the scary shows nowadays which are just too disturbing to watch. It was more like fairytale books and Disney movies and ofcourse Wizard of Oz where I learned about witches and magic and bad witches and good witches thing. And on the drama side it was like Full House according to my Aunt though I've never seen the show. But I was reminded of the book series about twin sisters Sweet Valley and Fear Street series. Charmed definitely made the right decision when they got angry at Elders rather than God and tried to distance itself as much from the mainstream religions and made up its own stuff rather than mess with things like Lucifer and Supernatural did. Characters on those shows were talking constantly about hating God and angel drama which really got annoying quick. I think you are bang on about this. But yeah, the witch burnings in Europe were way more than in Salem. I don't think there is truly an accurate number for this though because it wasn't accurately documented. Cyma, Is Wicca or Paganism talked much about where you are? The Charmed Ones called themselves Wiccan but I don't think they really were. Besides, Melinda Warren predates the term "Wicca". |
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Post by cyma on Sept 4, 2020 23:10:19 GMT -5
Cyma, Is Wicca or Paganism talked much about where you are? For Paganism, if you mean besides Hinduism, then mostly in a historical context. Like the abandoned 8000 year old civilization known as the Indus Valley. According to the many artificats and figurines found, the people practiced something which was Hinduism, Jainism and Buddism. But there was also worship of sun, fire, earth, trees, animals, mythical creatures and a female Mother Goddess as well. Life after death and magic were also part of their belief system. Evidence found suggested they were pretty peaceful people who farmed and build. Since the sub-continent has had trade ties with the Arab people for more than 1500 years, they were practicing paganism at that time too, so that is also talked about. But the constant war and bloodshed between the ancient tribes back then paints a very dark picture. The only times I have heard the word 'Wicca' was in Charmed and the Scooby-Doo Witch's Ghost animated movie. But mystism and black magic is talked about a lot. I got pretty intense lecture in my school days on whoever practices black magic or simply asks for the services of black magicians to hurt other people or even any non-harmful spell, consequences are a thousand times worst than what is being inflicted on their target or desired. Like your whole family could be wiped out worst. The game of invite any good spirit out there into a cup and have it answer questions also forbidden. Apparently that's like sticking your head out of the window and yelling out to a massive crowd of strangers in pitch black darkness while you're the only one with light on and a massive treasure worth billions. "Hey! Any good humans out there, why don't you come into my home for a nice chat and cup of tea?" And ofcourse pray for your dead loved ones don't contact them. Because the answer you'll get would be either from something pretending to be them or the side of them made up of rage and all negative emotions which gets left behind on Earth after death. Afterlife is closed to living. Whether human or non-human. Permanent death is the only way to get there for both. The reaction towards astrology, numerology and divination through dreams isn't negative. I suppose it was used by Kings and tribe leaders in the past and now political and business leaders present. I also recall use of herbs and plants for medical purposes by family elders given to them by spiritual healers. There were also some really pretty gemstones and crystals. Which of course young me wasn't allowed to touch. I think it was supposed to bring good luck or good energies. I think I probably covered 0.0001 percent of history, culture, religion and magic here because there's twenty lifetime more of it which I'm realizing as I study. Even after all this, the sisterhood was what appealed to me about Charmed. Yeah. Another new thing I discovered that it's new. Even if the sisters exposition the Wiccan holidays, they don't seem interested in participating or celebrating. And if they are, demon coincendentally attacks and they're interuppted. And that one gathering Piper grudgingly attended with Phoebe to find a way to defeat Abraxas, she had to lose her clothes. Also curious do Wiccans perform exorcism and vanquish demons in real life? While the Wiccans on Charmed were potrayed as being peaceful, they were helpless to defend themselves most of the time. Yet for the sisters it was opposite with lack of peace and comfort but magical powers to defend and kill. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 4, 2020 23:40:11 GMT -5
Cyma, Is Wicca or Paganism talked much about where you are? For Paganism, if you mean besides Hinduism, then mostly in a historical context. Like the abandoned 8000 year old civilization known as the Indus Valley. According to the many artificats and figurines found, the people practiced something which was Hinduism, Jainism and Buddism. But there was also worship of sun, fire, earth, trees, animals, mythical creatures and a female Mother Goddess as well. Life after death and magic were also part of their belief system. Evidence found suggested they were pretty peaceful people who farmed and build. Since the sub-continent has had trade ties with the Arab people for more than 1500 years, they were practicing paganism at that time too, so that is also talked about. But the constant war and bloodshed between the ancient tribes back then paints a very dark picture. The only times I have heard the word 'Wicca' was in Charmed and the Scooby-Doo Witch's Ghost animated movie. But mystism and black magic is talked about a lot. I got pretty intense lecture in my school days on whoever practices black magic or simply asks for the services of black magicians to hurt other people or even any non-harmful spell, consequences are a thousand times worst than what is being inflicted on their target or desired. Like your whole family could be wiped out worst. The game of invite any good spirit out there into a cup and have it answer questions also forbidden. Apparently that's like sticking your head out of the window and yelling out to a massive crowd of strangers in pitch black darkness while you're the only one with light on and a massive treasure worth billions. "Hey! Any good humans out there, why don't you come into my home for a nice chat and cup of tea?" And ofcourse pray for your dead loved ones don't contact them. Because the answer you'll get would be either from something pretending to be them or the side of them made up of rage and all negative emotions which gets left behind on Earth after death. Afterlife is closed to living. Whether human or non-human. Permanent death is the only way to get there for both. The reaction towards astrology, numerology and divination through dreams isn't negative. I suppose it was used by Kings and tribe leaders in the past and now political and business leaders present. I also recall use of herbs and plants for medical purposes by family elders given to them by spiritual healers. There were also some really pretty gemstones and crystals. Which of course young me wasn't allowed to touch. I think it was supposed to bring good luck or good energies. I think I probably covered 0.0001 percent of history, culture, religion and magic here because there's twenty lifetime more of it which I'm realizing as I study. Even after all this, the sisterhood was what appealed to me about Charmed. Yeah. Another new thing I discovered that it's new. Even if the sisters exposition the Wiccan holidays, they don't seem interested in participating or celebrating. And if they are, demon coincendentally attacks and they're interuppted. And that one gathering Piper grudgingly attended with Phoebe to find a way to defeat Abraxas, she had to lose her clothes. Also curious do Wiccans perform exorcism and vanquish demons in real life? While the Wiccans on Charmed were potrayed as being peaceful, they were helpless to defend themselves most of the time. Yet for the sisters it was opposite with lack of peace and comfort but magical powers to defend and kill. I am definitely not super super well versed in Wicca, but I have read a few books on it. I will say that Wicca is a new religion that was invented by a man, based on an old traditions from various cultures. Wiccan witches do spells, make potions, scry, pray, and do other form of divination. As the show states, the Wiccan rede is "Do what yet will & harm none. They also believe in the three fold rule: that anything you do comes back to you threefold. Every single Wiccan person and Wiccan piece of literature I've read states that invoking evil spirits, cursing people, performing negative spells on people is not only not okay, it's not Wiccan. So basically, I think you were taught a lot of these things in a similar way but maybe from a different perspective. I used to live in Toronto, Canada for 4 years. I used to go into this place called "The Occult Shoppe" that was run by an organization called the Wiccan Church of Canada. I used to go there because I lived near by and they had beautiful and affordable candles and incense, which I enjoy using. If anyone is ever in Toronto do not go there. Really scary place - I would see the staff there selling really f**ked up things from behind the counter to mostly older folks who would go in crying believing their grandchild or something was cursed or possessed. I saw them selling weird things, like spells to make someone fall in love with you, to exorcise demons, etc... I honestly am pretty open in terms of my beliefs, but I really don't think it's a thing for any spirit to take control of a human. In terms of exorcism, I think of that a mostly a Christian thing. Many Christian religious leaders (they are all called something different - priest, minister) still perform exorcisms to this day. A few years ago, the Pope held a class for some priests on how to perform exorcisms and how to deal with 'demonic possession'. Although I was raised Catholic, I don't consider myself Christian or Catholic, but I know a lot of people who have faith and believe in god. I would be surprised if any of them believed in or supported exorcism as an act. A lot of the time exorcism is performed on vulnerable people who are just different. A drag queen who appeared on RuPauls Drag Race (American Version) opened up about how he had an exorcism performed on him because his parents believed he was possessed by a gay demon. To be honest I think exorcisms should be illegal. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 4, 2020 23:43:24 GMT -5
For Paganism, if you mean besides Hinduism, then mostly in a historical context. Like the abandoned 8000 year old civilization known as the Indus Valley. According to the many artificats and figurines found, the people practiced something which was Hinduism, Jainism and Buddism. But there was also worship of sun, fire, earth, trees, animals, mythical creatures and a female Mother Goddess as well. Life after death and magic were also part of their belief system. Evidence found suggested they were pretty peaceful people who farmed and build. Since the sub-continent has had trade ties with the Arab people for more than 1500 years, they were practicing paganism at that time too, so that is also talked about. But the constant war and bloodshed between the ancient tribes back then paints a very dark picture. The only times I have heard the word 'Wicca' was in Charmed and the Scooby-Doo Witch's Ghost animated movie. But mystism and black magic is talked about a lot. I got pretty intense lecture in my school days on whoever practices black magic or simply asks for the services of black magicians to hurt other people or even any non-harmful spell, consequences are a thousand times worst than what is being inflicted on their target or desired. Like your whole family could be wiped out worst. The game of invite any good spirit out there into a cup and have it answer questions also forbidden. Apparently that's like sticking your head out of the window and yelling out to a massive crowd of strangers in pitch black darkness while you're the only one with light on and a massive treasure worth billions. "Hey! Any good humans out there, why don't you come into my home for a nice chat and cup of tea?" And ofcourse pray for your dead loved ones don't contact them. Because the answer you'll get would be either from something pretending to be them or the side of them made up of rage and all negative emotions which gets left behind on Earth after death. Afterlife is closed to living. Whether human or non-human. Permanent death is the only way to get there for both. The reaction towards astrology, numerology and divination through dreams isn't negative. I suppose it was used by Kings and tribe leaders in the past and now political and business leaders present. I also recall use of herbs and plants for medical purposes by family elders given to them by spiritual healers. There were also some really pretty gemstones and crystals. Which of course young me wasn't allowed to touch. I think it was supposed to bring good luck or good energies. I think I probably covered 0.0001 percent of history, culture, religion and magic here because there's twenty lifetime more of it which I'm realizing as I study. Even after all this, the sisterhood was what appealed to me about Charmed. Yeah. Another new thing I discovered that it's new. Even if the sisters exposition the Wiccan holidays, they don't seem interested in participating or celebrating. And if they are, demon coincendentally attacks and they're interuppted. And that one gathering Piper grudgingly attended with Phoebe to find a way to defeat Abraxas, she had to lose her clothes. Also curious do Wiccans perform exorcism and vanquish demons in real life? While the Wiccans on Charmed were potrayed as being peaceful, they were helpless to defend themselves most of the time. Yet for the sisters it was opposite with lack of peace and comfort but magical powers to defend and kill. I am definitely not super super well versed in Wicca, but I have read a few books on it. I will say that Wicca is a new religion that was invented by a man, based on an old traditions from various cultures. Wiccan witches do spells, make potions, scry, pray, and do other form of divination. As the show states, the Wiccan rede is "Do what yet will & harm none. They also believe in the three fold rule: that anything you do comes back to you threefold. Every single Wiccan person and Wiccan piece of literature I've read states that invoking evil spirits, cursing people, performing negative spells on people is not only not okay, it's not Wiccan. So basically, I think you were taught a lot of these things in a similar way but maybe from a different perspective. I used to live in Toronto, Canada for 4 years. I used to go into this place called "The Occult Shoppe" that was run by an organization called the Wiccan Church of Canada. I used to go there because I lived near by and they had beautiful and affordable candles and incense, which I enjoy using. If anyone is ever in Toronto do not go there. Really scary place - I would see the staff there selling really f**ked up things from behind the counter to mostly older folks who would go in crying believing their grandchild or something was cursed or possessed. I saw them selling weird things, like spells to make someone fall in love with you, to exorcise demons, etc... I honestly am pretty open in terms of my beliefs, but I really don't think it's a thing for any spirit to take control of a human. In terms of exorcism, I think of that a mostly a Christian thing. Many Christian religious leaders (they are all called something different - priest, minister) still perform exorcisms to this day. A few years ago, the Pope held a class for some priests on how to perform exorcisms and how to deal with 'demonic possession'. Although I was raised Catholic, I don't consider myself Christian or Catholic, but I know a lot of people who have faith and believe in god. I would be surprised if any of them believed in or supported exorcism as an act. A lot of the time exorcism is performed on vulnerable people who are just different. A drag queen who appeared on RuPauls Drag Race (American Version) opened up about how he had an exorcism performed on him because his parents believed he was possessed by a gay demon... which is honestly so insane to me, and something that could really damage or traumatize a person. I'm. not sure if anyone watches Lee Daniel's "Star", but there is a trans character on that show who's mother (played by Queen Latifa) got a priest to perform an exorcism on her to "fix" her. To be honest I think exorcisms should be illegal. Not everyone who is different is possessed. |
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Post by cyma on Sept 12, 2020 9:14:26 GMT -5
I am definitely not super super well versed in Wicca, but I have read a few books on it. I will say that Wicca is a new religion that was invented by a man, based on an old traditions from various cultures. Yeah. It's weird that on Charmed it's being portrayed as some female exclusive thing thing which existed even before the time of Melinda Warren. But then again it's Charmed so maybe it shouldn't be that weird it's changing things. I would've wanted to know about the old original traditions and different cultures separately instead of a remix of them. There are so many things which seem similar between different cultures that I can't help but wonder, have our ancestors been plagiarizing off each other? But then who came up with original ideas? For a second I was like oh okay cool incense and beautiful candles and I'll tell all my relatives in Canada about that shop before the Bold Font warning. Well thankfully, Canadian relatives spend their childhood in the cities surrounded by mountains here. In normal cities, average haunting sounds like Casper the friendly ghost compared to mountains which is like Night on Bald Mountain from Fantasia movie. Plus every family has or knows someone who are both super religious and spiritual to deal with any sort of supernatural problem in case it does occur. If Wicca is peaceful then of course the church needs to know what's happening because their reputation is being tarnished by these actions. But the thing is why in the world would you have the name 'Occult' in a shop run by a Wiccan chruch? Even half way across the world, I associate that word with evil witches, dark arts, black magic, cults, demons, human sacrifice. Everything extremely negative. And negative is not supposed to be the Wiccan way. I've lost count of how many times doctors and teachers in our family have chided people on thinking their family member is possessed or cursed when it turned out to be a combination of biological, emotional, mental and living environment issues. If it's really a possession which I gather from stories is something of a very extremely rare occurrence, then yes things will happen which science, logic, your human eyes, ears and brain can't explain. And not just to you but your entire family living in the house, your visiting relatives even the delivery guy, if he's unlucky. But you would have to have critical thinking skills and knowledge of science and basically what's happening in the world and to the world to even begin to differentiate real from fake. Otherwise you'll be jumping at your own shadow every time a dog barks or fearfully run to the next person promising to solve all your problems through an exorcism or a convenient spell. |
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Post by forbuss on Sept 13, 2020 13:41:06 GMT -5
I thought Charmed did have a Wiccan witch consultant. I know they also had a demonologist, am I imagining that there was a Wiccan witch too? I bet this person would rate Buffy even lower. 'Black magic' (I have a problem with this term) was literally embedded into the show and was frequently use in the plot. However, when Willow became a witch it was sortof realistic. She was in a Wiccan group at college - real Wiccans who didn't believe you could *actually* gain any sort of control of power over the world from it. |
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Post by Emmett on Aug 24, 2021 20:52:45 GMT -5
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Feb 7, 2022 23:42:25 GMT -5
I thought Charmed did have a Wiccan witch consultant. I know they also had a demonologist, am I imagining that there was a Wiccan witch too? I bet this person would rate Buffy even lower. 'Black magic' (I have a problem with this term) was literally embedded into the show and was frequently use in the plot. However, when Willow became a witch it was sortof realistic. She was in a Wiccan group at college - real Wiccans who didn't believe you could *actually* gain any sort of control of power over the world from it. Your right. They did have a demonologist. As seen in the Women of Charmed E special. I don't know if they had a Wiccian as a consultant. Had they had one, they may have been more faithful to the Wicca lore and done more with witches, covens and dig deeper into thag. And the show wasn't that centric to Wicca and more a fantasy drama with magic elements and doing their own thing. But maybe I'm wrong. I've just never seen or heard if they did in any interviews. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 9, 2022 20:46:20 GMT -5
I decided to re-post my post from the first page. Anyone else want to do the same, go for it! I started watching when it first came out and had just turned 45 (born in 1953, so I'll be 63 in July). I think that's why unlike so many fans, my reactions towards the show hasn't changed much - I'm pretty set in my ways. But it's also why I've always accepted the fact that my own opinions are usually different than most other fans (like not liking Piper or Phoebe or Leo or Cole or Chris as written by Brad Kern while enjoying them in a lot of fanfics) and that's perfectly AOK with me - differences in opinions is what keeps threads going. The funny thing is I always felt like Patty, looking down at the sisters and watching them since I was so much older, part of the reason why she's my favorite character on Charmed and why when I first joined the Cafe in Season Five, I tried to get some form of Patty as my username, but they were all used and I didn't want a number after my name. Now I feel more like Grams! |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 10, 2022 2:51:04 GMT -5
I first saw Charmed during 1999, so I was a teenager and aged 16. I am the youngest in my family, so I related to Phoebe. I have two older siblings myself, but a brother and sister. |
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Post by Sandra on Apr 9, 2022 16:43:21 GMT -5
I was 13 at the time.
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