T.W.King and guest stars about working with Shannen Doherty

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UPDATE: see what Christine Rose (Claire Pryce, Prue's boss) said about Shannen:)

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What do you remember of your days on the Charmed set?

"It was all with Shannen, and I thought she was absolutely darling. I had worked with her years before on Life Goes on. That was about a boy with a Down’s syndrome, and I was guest-starring as the boy’s teacher. Shannen was on that episode, too, and I was setting them up to be married, for what that might be like. I was new to L.A. then because I’d mostly been on the stage, and I was relatively new to being on camera. And I remember thinking, «This girl is a pro”. So I was aware of how good Shannen was, and she was very nice when I did Charmed. I enjoyed working with her, Holly Marie Combs, I had played her biological mother on Picket Fences. We didn’t get to work together on Charmed, but it was fun just getting to see her again. Otherwise my experience was pretty straightforward.

Actually, one other thing I remember was being at a table and another guest star was having a hard time. In between takes Shannen said something very encouraging and nurturing to her, and I thought she was very nice. So those are my memories, as sparse as they are" --> CHRISTINE ROSE (CLAIRE PRYCE)

Yet, more praise for Shannen being a very talented, hard-working professional.  How did she ever get branded as "difficult," again?

And, note that on the flip-side, Armin Shimerman's now infamous criticism of his experience on Charmed was from the season AFTER Shannen was fired:

"I hated the ladies on "Bewitched"...um...uh..."Charmed!" "Charmed!" And there's a reason they were cast as witches. I...of all the shows I've ever worked, that was by far the ugliest."

[Granny Charmed]

Shannen is a talented young woman. However once you get branded a bad girl, it sadly stays with you forever. A price to pay in Hollywood Im afraid.

Having meet the lady a few years ago at a convention. She was nothing but nice and friendly to me. Cant say the same for Brian. He was such a creepy man and very rude.

But anybody knows you cannot disagree with the higher powers. Shannen has strong opinion and thats what got her fired. But she is hard working and people it seems appreciate her work ethic.

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Apr 22, 2016 19:54:28 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

But anybody knows you cannot disagree with the higher powers. Shannen has strong opinion and thats what got her fired. But she is hard working and people it seems appreciate her work ethic.

Especially, if you are a woman, and the higher powers are men.  A lot of male producers feel personally affronted when a "mere" woman has the nerve to criticize their work, and Brad Kern was no exception.  They think that it's the female actor's job to shut up and look pretty for the camera, not care about the quality of the show and question the material she's getting.

[Granny Charmed]

Apr 22, 2016 21:08:34 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Apr 22, 2016 19:54:28 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

But anybody knows you cannot disagree with the higher powers. Shannen has strong opinion and thats what got her fired. But she is hard working and people it seems appreciate her work ethic.

Especially, if you are a woman, and the higher powers are men.  A lot of male producers feel personally affronted when a "mere" woman has the nerve to criticize their work, and Brad Kern was no exception.  They think that it's the female actor's job to shut up and look pretty for the camera, not care about the quality of the show and question the material she's getting.

Why cant these men realize we dont live in the good old days of my generation.

I give props to Shannen that she put it behind her unlike some actresses who take it to heart. Wasnt the woman on Desperate Housewives fired and she went to court over it, my daughter told me that.

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Apr 22, 2016 21:39:08 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

Why cant these men realize we dont live in the good old days of my generation.

I give props to Shannen that she put it behind her unlike some actresses who take it to heart. Wasnt the woman on Desperate Housewives fired and she went to court over it, my daughter told me that.

From Wikipedia:

In April 2010, Sheridan filed a $20 million lawsuit against Desperate Housewives creator/producer Marc Cherry and ABC Television, alleging that she was assaulted by Cherry on the set of the show and was then fired when she reported the alleged abuse to the network. In her lawsuit, Sheridan claimed wrongful termination, assault and battery, gender violence, discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation and age, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. She also alleged that Cherry was abusive to other cast members and writers. ABC responded by stating that while they were unaware of this particular complaint, they had investigated similar claims made by Sheridan and reportedly found them to be without merit.[22] The show's stars, Teri Hatcher, Felicity Huffman, Marcia Cross and Eva Longoria, pledged their support to help Cherry in his battle against Sheridan's allegations.[23]

In May 2011, a judge granted permission for the case to continue to trial, but threw out Sheridan's claims of harassment.[24][25][26] The case finally went to court on 27 February 2012.[27] Cherry asserted that the alleged assault was in fact a tap to the head with his fingers, done in rehearsals when he was demonstrating to Sheridan how she should play a physical gag in a scene. He also stated that the decision to kill off her character was already approved in May 2008 (several months before the alleged hitting incident in September 2008) due, in part, to the need to reduce the show's budget. He also cited Sheridan's unprofessional on-set behavior (such as habitual lateness, not learning her lines, and feuding with her co-stars), and the fact that her character had simply "run its course" as other reasons for the decision.[28] On 13 March 2012, the judge dismissed the battery charge against Cherry due to lack of evidence, and the lawsuit then focused solely on Sheridan's alleged wrongful termination by ABC.[29] Closing arguments were heard on 14 March 2012 and the jury began their deliberations. By 19 March 2012, the twelve members of the jury had failed to reach a verdict and a mistrial was declared. A retrial was scheduled for September 2012, but this was dismissed in August when the Los Angeles Court of Appeal determined that Sheridan had not been wrongfully fired. The court rejected Sheridan's argument that ABC’s decision not to renew her option for another season was analogous to a violation of at-will employment. The court reasoned that unlike an at-will employee whose contract could remain in force indefinitely, Sheridan’s contract was for a set term that had expired and therefore ABC had not terminated her but simply chosen not to rehire her for another fixed-term contract.[30] However, the court declared that Sheridan was free to file an amended lawsuit alleging that ABC retaliated against her for complaining about unsafe working conditions.[31] A further appeal made by Sheridan to the California Supreme Court was rejected in November 2012,[32] A new trial based solely on the retaliation claim was set for December 2013,[33] but this too was dismissed in October 2013 by a judge who stated that Sheridan should have exhausted her claims through a labor commissioner before pursuing a trial.[34] A further attempt by Sheridan to secure a new trial was refused on 16 January 2014,[35] however the same judge reversed his decision on 29 January 2014 and granted Sheridan a new trial.[36] In a further twist, this decision was later reversed in August 2014 by the Los Angeles Court of Appeal who found the judge's decision to grant Sheridan a new trial was in error.[37]

I had heard of this, but I had no idea it had blown up into this super long, drawn-out thing. Glad Shannen never acted like this over either of her firings (the other being BH 90210).

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Why cant these men realize we dont live in the good old days of my generation.

And the two men in overall charge, Spelling and Vincent, came from the generation before yours, Grannycharmed. 

With two pre-World War II dinosaurs running things,  a modern thinking person like Shannen had no chance in Hell.

[Granny Charmed]

Apr 23, 2016 0:01:28 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Apr 22, 2016 21:39:08 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

Why cant these men realize we dont live in the good old days of my generation.

I give props to Shannen that she put it behind her unlike some actresses who take it to heart. Wasnt the woman on Desperate Housewives fired and she went to court over it, my daughter told me that.

From Wikipedia:

In April 2010, Sheridan filed a $20 million lawsuit against Desperate Housewives creator/producer Marc Cherry and ABC Television, alleging that she was assaulted by Cherry on the set of the show and was then fired when she reported the alleged abuse to the network. In her lawsuit, Sheridan claimed wrongful termination, assault and battery, gender violence, discrimination based on sex, sexual orientation and age, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. She also alleged that Cherry was abusive to other cast members and writers. ABC responded by stating that while they were unaware of this particular complaint, they had investigated similar claims made by Sheridan and reportedly found them to be without merit.[22] The show's stars, Teri Hatcher, Felicity Huffman, Marcia Cross and Eva Longoria, pledged their support to help Cherry in his battle against Sheridan's allegations.[23]

In May 2011, a judge granted permission for the case to continue to trial, but threw out Sheridan's claims of harassment.[24][25][26] The case finally went to court on 27 February 2012.[27] Cherry asserted that the alleged assault was in fact a tap to the head with his fingers, done in rehearsals when he was demonstrating to Sheridan how she should play a physical gag in a scene. He also stated that the decision to kill off her character was already approved in May 2008 (several months before the alleged hitting incident in September 2008) due, in part, to the need to reduce the show's budget. He also cited Sheridan's unprofessional on-set behavior (such as habitual lateness, not learning her lines, and feuding with her co-stars), and the fact that her character had simply "run its course" as other reasons for the decision.[28] On 13 March 2012, the judge dismissed the battery charge against Cherry due to lack of evidence, and the lawsuit then focused solely on Sheridan's alleged wrongful termination by ABC.[29] Closing arguments were heard on 14 March 2012 and the jury began their deliberations. By 19 March 2012, the twelve members of the jury had failed to reach a verdict and a mistrial was declared. A retrial was scheduled for September 2012, but this was dismissed in August when the Los Angeles Court of Appeal determined that Sheridan had not been wrongfully fired. The court rejected Sheridan's argument that ABC’s decision not to renew her option for another season was analogous to a violation of at-will employment. The court reasoned that unlike an at-will employee whose contract could remain in force indefinitely, Sheridan’s contract was for a set term that had expired and therefore ABC had not terminated her but simply chosen not to rehire her for another fixed-term contract.[30] However, the court declared that Sheridan was free to file an amended lawsuit alleging that ABC retaliated against her for complaining about unsafe working conditions.[31] A further appeal made by Sheridan to the California Supreme Court was rejected in November 2012,[32] A new trial based solely on the retaliation claim was set for December 2013,[33] but this too was dismissed in October 2013 by a judge who stated that Sheridan should have exhausted her claims through a labor commissioner before pursuing a trial.[34] A further attempt by Sheridan to secure a new trial was refused on 16 January 2014,[35] however the same judge reversed his decision on 29 January 2014 and granted Sheridan a new trial.[36] In a further twist, this decision was later reversed in August 2014 by the Los Angeles Court of Appeal who found the judge's decision to grant Sheridan a new trial was in error.[37]

I had heard of this, but I had no idea it had blown up into this super long, drawn-out thing. Glad Shannen never acted like this over either of her firings (the other being BH 90210).

Oh dear. Im glad our Shannen never took it this far.

[Granny Charmed]

Apr 23, 2016 6:43:01 GMT -5 @rexandhannah1 said:

Why cant these men realize we dont live in the good old days of my generation.

And the two men in overall charge, Spelling and Vincent, came from the generation before yours, Grannycharmed. 

With two pre-World War II dinosaurs running things,  a modern thinking person like Shannen had no chance in Hell.

No wonder. You cant win in Hollywood.

[adzpower]

It's amazing to me that male "higher ups" (obviously not all of them) take woman for granted so much, I'm a young, 23 year old man and I have NOTHING but deepest respect for women. They are powerful, smart, caring and usually have less of an ego (obviously I know this doesn't apply to all women) BUT when I think through my childhood, (I was born in the early 90's), almost all my role models were women! Ginger Spice, The pink ranger, Buffy, Britney and especially The Charmed Ones were people I could look up too even though I was a young boy. I know if I was the executive producer of a show, I would certainly listen to all opinions, and give equal pay to everyone. It boggles my mind that we still live in an age where one gender is still treated as lesser to the other, when both should be equal. Also I know some of my earlier role models were questionable, but hey, I was only four when Ginger spice came into my life lol.

[Granny Charmed]

Apr 23, 2016 8:56:44 GMT -5 adzpower said:

It's amazing to me that male "higher ups" (obviously not all of them) take woman for granted so much, I'm a young, 23 year old man and I have NOTHING but deepest respect for women. They are powerful, smart, caring and usually have less of an ego (obviously I know this doesn't apply to all women) BUT when I think through my childhood, (I was born in the early 90's), almost all my role models were women! Ginger Spice, The pink ranger, Buffy, Britney and especially The Charmed Ones were people I could look up too even though I was a young boy. I know if I was the executive producer of a show, I would certainly listen to all opinions, and give equal pay to everyone. It boggles my mind that we still live in an age where one gender is still treated as lesser to the other, when both should be equal. Also I know some of my earlier role models were questionable, but hey, I was only four when Ginger spice came into my life lol.

Your not that much younger than my granddaughter. Yes she looked up to many female role models like you did at that age.

I know i might be showing my age. But i dont like how some writers expose viewers to these powerful women and make changes that are not well planned out.

Especially with the charmed ones and how they changed and lost the identity that made them special to begin with.

With what ive heard on here from some wonderful threads and posters. We live in a world that money determines success and the values of all age groups doesnt matter.

I hate how women are taken for granted. Were all equals. My dear old mother is nearly 90 and she still feels we live in a world where men have the upper hand.

Please forgive me. I hope i havent become a broken old record with my opinions here. I just hope people can understand my point of view from someone of my age.

I respect that we all have role models and like what we like. ☺

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Please forgive me. I hope i havent become a broken old record with my opinions here.

Ah, don't worry about it.  All opinions are welcome here.

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Apr 23, 2016 8:56:44 GMT -5 adzpower said:

It's amazing to me that male "higher ups" (obviously not all of them) take woman for granted so much, I'm a young, 23 year old man and I have NOTHING but deepest respect for women. They are powerful, smart, caring and usually have less of an ego (obviously I know this doesn't apply to all women) BUT when I think through my childhood, (I was born in the early 90's), almost all my role models were women! Ginger Spice, The pink ranger, Buffy, Britney and especially The Charmed Ones were people I could look up too even though I was a young boy. I know if I was the executive producer of a show, I would certainly listen to all opinions, and give equal pay to everyone. It boggles my mind that we still live in an age where one gender is still treated as lesser to the other, when both should be equal. Also I know some of my earlier role models were questionable, but hey, I was only four when Ginger spice came into my life lol.

I think the bolded part answers your question.   You came of age in an era where women had far more power and rights, so unlike men like Kern, Spelling, and Vincent, you were actually taught to respect women and treat them as equals.  You had a far wider variety of strong female role models available in the media in the 90s vs say, the 60s.

Unfortunately, most of the powerful people in Hollywood are still dinosaur men in their 50s or older, which is why change has been slow to happen.  I don't think we'll start to see true equality in Hollywood until our generation is old enough to be running things.

Apr 23, 2016 9:16:43 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

I know i might be showing my age. But i dont like how some writers expose viewers to these powerful women and make changes that are not well planned out.

Especially with the charmed ones and how they changed and lost the identity that made them special to begin with.

It is bitterly ironic how a show that was rooted in female empowerment turned out the way it did, isn't it?  In just a few seasons, the WB and Kern turned a show that was about sisterhood and girl power into a Playboy Fantasy Hour for Horny Teenage Boys.

I think one reason the writing of the later seasons sisters bothers me so much is because they all basically turned into female stereotypes.  Piper was the whining, nagging shrew, Phoebe was the baby-obsessed, man-obsessed wh0re, and Paige was the ditzy bimbo.  No longer were they the strong, complex, nuanced women from the earlier seasons.

Apr 23, 2016 9:16:43 GMT -5 Granny Charmed said:

I hate how women are taken for granted. Were all equals. My dear old mother is nearly 90 and she still feels we live in a world where men have the upper hand.

Please forgive me. I hope i havent become a broken old record with my opinions here. I just hope people can understand my point of view from someone of my age.

I respect that we all have role models and like what we like. ☺

You're far from a broken record, Grannycharmed. I like reading your opinions.

The part you mentioned about your mother is one reason why I've always found Grams' man-hating tendencies somewhat understandable.  Grams came of age in the highly sexist era of the 1930s, 40s, and 50s, and even in RL, a lot of women her age are very distrustful of men.  Unfortunately, the show never really portrayed her man-hating from that angle ("Lost and Bound" barely touched on it and not very well).

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Apr 23, 2016 12:11:56 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Unfortunately, most of the powerful people in Hollywood are still dinosaur men in their 50s or older, which is why change has been slow to happen.  I don't think we'll start to see true equality in Hollywood until our generation is old enough to be running things.

The sooner the better. The recent controversy surrounding Ke$ha and Dr. Luke prove that Hollywood has barely progressed from the days of MGM spoon-feeding Judy Garland and Co. uppers for breakfast. I can't wait until our generation are in their 40s/50s and running the show and it can only get better from there.   

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Apr 23, 2016 16:42:21 GMT -5 @deano said:

The sooner the better. The recent controversy surrounding Ke$ha and Dr. Luke prove that Hollywood has barely progressed from the days of MGM spoon-feeding Judy Garland and Co. uppers for breakfast. I can't wait until our generation are in their 40s/50s and running the show and it can only get better from there.

I was thinking about the Kesha/Dr. Luke controversy, myself. Hollywood basically treats its female actors, singers, and performers as commodities, pretty faces and bodies to sell to the public and easily discard and replace when they can no longer make money.

Shannen refused to play that game, and she's been paying for it with her career ever since then. She never had another starring TV role again after Charmed, and her post-Charmed resume is almost entirely made up of failed reality shows and terrible made-for-TV movies. No serious writer or producer wants to work with her, and even then, it's too late now. She's now 45, ancient by Hollywood standards, and she's battling a disease that will alter her physical appearance even more (ie. breast removal, surgery scars, weight loss, hair loss, etc.). Producers have even less of a reason to hire her nowadays. (Luckily, Shannen seems to have come to peace with the fact that her acting career is mostly over.)

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Apr 23, 2016 17:10:39 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

I was thinking about the Kesha/Dr. Luke controversy, myself. Hollywood basically treats its female actors, singers, and performers as commodities, pretty faces and bodies to sell to the public and easily discard and replace when they can no longer make money.

Shannen refused to play that game, and she's been paying for it with her career ever since then. She never had another starring TV role again after Charmed, and her post-Charmed resume is almost entirely made up of failed reality shows and terrible made-for-TV movies. No serious writer or producer wants to work with her, and even then, it's too late now. She's now 45, ancient by Hollywood standards, and she's battling a disease that will alter her physical appearance even more (ie. breast removal, surgery scars, weight loss, hair loss, etc.). Producers have even less of a reason to hire her nowadays. (Luckily, Shannen seems to have come to peace with the fact that her acting career is mostly over.)

I know, it's really sad, isn't it? We can only hope that Shannen lands a "golden renaissance" role playing an older main character (not just someone's mum in a crappy teen drama) but those are very rare it seems (Golden Girls, Murder She Wrote etc). I think Ke$ha's career is finished now too, unfortunately, and she's barely 29. The same thing happened to Lady Gaga - sexually abused and then used like a workhorse until she broke, literally. 

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Apr 23, 2016 17:36:43 GMT -5 @deano said:

Apr 23, 2016 17:10:39 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

I was thinking about the Kesha/Dr. Luke controversy, myself. Hollywood basically treats its female actors, singers, and performers as commodities, pretty faces and bodies to sell to the public and easily discard and replace when they can no longer make money.

Shannen refused to play that game, and she's been paying for it with her career ever since then. She never had another starring TV role again after Charmed, and her post-Charmed resume is almost entirely made up of failed reality shows and terrible made-for-TV movies. No serious writer or producer wants to work with her, and even then, it's too late now. She's now 45, ancient by Hollywood standards, and she's battling a disease that will alter her physical appearance even more (ie. breast removal, surgery scars, weight loss, hair loss, etc.). Producers have even less of a reason to hire her nowadays. (Luckily, Shannen seems to have come to peace with the fact that her acting career is mostly over.)

I know, it's really sad, isn't it? We can only hope that Shannen lands a "golden renaissance" role playing an older main character (not just someone's mum in a crappy teen drama) but those are very rare it seems (Golden Girls, Murder She Wrote etc). I think Ke$ha's career is finished now too, unfortunately, and she's barely 29. The same thing happened to Lady Gaga - sexually abused and then used like a workhorse until she broke, literally. 

It does suck. But sadly thats common in Hollywood. Id hope she would one day find a role, but her career is mostly died.

Who knows if her and Holly could find a project one day to work on together.

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Apr 23, 2016 17:36:43 GMT -5 @deano said:

I know, it's really sad, isn't it? We can only hope that Shannen lands a "golden renaissance" role playing an older main character (not just someone's mum in a crappy teen drama) but those are very rare it seems (Golden Girls, Murder She Wrote etc).

In today's era of Pretty Young People dominating TV, it seems incredible that shows like Golden Girls and Murder She Wrote found so much success.

The average human lifespan is 80 years, so why does Hollywood act like women's lives end at 40? Why do we still have trouble seeing older women as having varied and interesting lives and being something other than someone's mother or grandmother?

Charmed ended in 2006, while PLL began in 2010. So, in just four years, Holly went from playing the mother of toddlers to playing the mother of teenagers. Yes, at only 36(!), Holly was already considered old enough to play the mother of teenagers. Anything wrong with this picture?!?

Apr 23, 2016 17:36:43 GMT -5 @deano said:

I think Ke$ha's career is finished now too, unfortunately, and she's barely 29. The same thing happened to Lady Gaga - sexually abused and then used like a workhorse until she broke, literally.

Kesha's such a tragic case. (BTW, she dropped the $ from her name in 2014.) When she first blew up in 2010, everybody thought she was nothing more than this dumb, shallow party girl who sang dumb, shallow autotuned dance songs. However, in reality, she's actually a very talented singer and songwriter, but Dr. Luke kept on making her only release party songs over and over again in hopes of scoring the next "Tik Tok" or "We R Who We R." Slow, emotional, or otherwise not-dance-pop songs like "The Harold Song," "Last Goodbye," and "Love into the Light" were left buried deep on her albums, and others like "Machine Gun Love" were never allowed to even see the light of day, all because they were too "different."

Dr. Luke and Sony never saw Kesha as an artist or even a person, but instead a commodity. Something they could use and abuse and then toss into the trash bin when it stops working. They have little to lose from Kesha's life and career going up in flames, because they can just replace her with another young blonde girl and repeat the cycle all over again. (In fact, they essentially already did that with Miley Cyrus and Iggy Azalea after Kesha's second album flopped, ironically due to their own executive meddling.)

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Apr 23, 2016 19:14:28 GMT -5 West said:

It does suck. But sadly thats common in Hollywood. Id hope she would one day find a role, but her career is mostly died.

Who knows if her and Holly could find a project one day to work on together.

Like a Charmed reboot?   Honestly, I think that's all they have left to their advantage, especially Shannen. 

Apr 23, 2016 20:59:18 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

In today's era of Pretty Young People dominating TV, it seems incredible that shows like Golden Girls and Murder She Wrote found so much success.

The average human lifespan is 80 years, so why does Hollywood act like women's lives end at 40? Why do we still have trouble seeing older women as having varied and interesting lives and being something other than someone's mother or grandmother?

Charmed ended in 2006, while PLL began in 2010. So, in just four years, Holly went from playing the mother of toddlers to playing the mother of teenagers. Yes, at only 36(!), Holly was already considered old enough to play the mother of teenagers. Anything wrong with this picture?!?

I doubt Shannen and Holly would be hired if Charmed was starting today. They were good-looking women obviously (still are) but they weren't eye-candy like Alyssa and were hired primarily because of their acting talent. These days talent seems to be more and more compromised for looks. 

That's sad. In a way you now kind of see Holly as older than 42 because of PLL now. I mean Rose and Alyssa are older than her and you can't imagine them being cast as mothers of teenagers (not in 2010, I mean).   

I don't know if you're a Will & Grace fan but I remember Jack once remarking that the drama between Karen and her stepdaughter was "like the OC, except without the 25-year-old teenagers and 35-year-old parents". So true! 

Kesha's such a tragic case. (BTW, she dropped the $ from her name in 2014.) When she first blew up in 2010, everybody thought she was nothing more than this dumb, shallow party girl who sang dumb, shallow autotuned dance songs. However, in reality, she's actually a very talented singer and songwriter, but Dr. Luke kept on making her only release party songs over and over again in hopes of scoring the next "Tik Tok" or "We R Who We R." Slow, emotional, or otherwise not-dance-pop songs like "The Harold Song," "Last Goodbye," and "Love into the Light" were left buried deep on her albums, and others like "Machine Gun Love" were never allowed to even see the light of day, all because they were too "different."

Dr. Luke and Sony never saw Kesha as an artist or even a person, but instead a commodity. Something they could use and abuse and then toss into the trash bin when it stops working. They have little to lose from Kesha's life and career going up in flames, because they can just replace her with another young blonde girl and repeat the cycle all over again. (In fact, they essentially already did that with Miley Cyrus and Iggy Azalea after Kesha's second album flopped, ironically due to their own executive meddling.)

I didn't even realise she'd dropped the $, shows how she's totally fallen off the radar. I know it's really sad and now I think Kesha would struggle to build up her brand again because nobody really took her seriously in the first place and she's not the 20-year-old party girl anymore, so she can't really do the same sort of material anymore.

Hollywood is just rotten to the core, especially the music industry. I think Miley and Iggy have also alluded to industry pressure. Iggy definitely mentioned having suicidal thoughts recently, if I recall. They are both other examples of young teens taken advantage of at an impressionable age.

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Apr 24, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -5 @deano said:

I doubt Shannen and Holly would be hired if Charmed was starting today. They were good-looking women obviously (still are) but they weren't eye-candy like Alyssa and were hired primarily because of their acting talent. These days talent seems to be more and more compromised for looks.

If Charmed was starting today, it'd probably be centered around thin, beautiful 18-22 year old women and focused heavily on romance storylines. It seems like every TV show aimed at women nowadays needs to have a Bad Boy Woobie^TM romance and a love triangle.

Apr 24, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -5 @deano said:

That's sad. In a way you now kind of see Holly as older than 42 because of PLL now. I mean Rose and Alyssa are older than her and you can't imagine them being cast as mothers of teenagers (not in 2010, I mean).   

I don't know if you're a Will & Grace fan but I remember Jack once remarking that the drama between Karen and her stepdaughter was "like the OC, except without the 25-year-old teenagers and 35-year-old parents". So true! 

I've never watched Will & Grace, but that's very, VERY true.

Returning to the PLL example, Holly was born in 1973, while her TV daughter, Lucy Hale, was born in 1989. Even though they're supposed to be mother and daughter, they're only 16 years apart!

You see it on tons of other teen shows. They cast the teenagers with actors in their 20s (or even early 30s), yet cast actors in their 30s to play the parents.

Now, casting actors in their early 20s to play teenagers doesn't really bother me a whole lot (25+ is a different story, though) because 18-22 year olds are generally much easier to work with than minors. (And, they're more likely to be better actors, too.) But, casting 35 year olds to play the parents has no reasoning beyond wanting everyone to look young and pretty, and all it does is further the idea that women in their late 30s are "old maids," already past their prime and incapable of playing anything but mothers or aunts.

Apr 24, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -5 @deano said:

I didn't even realise she'd dropped the $, shows how she's totally fallen off the radar. I know it's really sad and now I think Kesha would struggle to build up her brand again because nobody really took her seriously in the first place and she's not the 20-year-old party girl anymore, so she can't really do the same sort of material anymore.

Hollywood is just rotten to the core, especially the music industry. I think Miley and Iggy have also alluded to industry pressure. Iggy definitely mentioned having suicidal thoughts recently, if I recall. They are both other examples of young teens taken advantage of at an impressionable age.

Yeah, Kesha dropped the $ after she left rehab to symbolize a fresh start. Of course, it was not long after that the legal drama with Dr. Luke started up, which has ultimately driven the final nail in the coffin for her career. (After the "Die Young"/Sandy Hook controversy, the failure of her second album, and her eating disorder.) Even if she's somehow finally able to get out of her contract, the legal battle itself has destroyed her reputation, and it would be hard for her to find mainstream success again after not releasing any new music for so long. (Especially since her last album flopped. "Tik Tok" is still what most people remember her for, and that song's over 6 years old now!)

And, of course, meanwhile, Chris Brown still has a successful, thriving career. While admitting to being raped and abused by your producer will get you blacklisted and send your career up in flames, sending your girlfriend to the hospital will get you a light slap on the wrist and endless praise and forgiveness.