Views on Forever Charmed as the Series Finale

[rebooted]

Oct 15, 2017 1:49:40 GMT -5 imdb lives on said:

Charmed should've left the future unknown. I would've liked it better if they wrote about their jouney instead of a flash forward.

Do you think it would have been better if Forever Charmed was a clip show with permission from Shannen Doherty to use her face rather than do all the time hoping?

I must be one of the few that doesn't hate Forever Charmed. Its not one of my favourites but I think it's kinda cute. yes the consistency bad, but so have the last 3 seasons that proceeded it!

If Shannen Doherty did return, I wonder what the original script was for Forever Charmed, and whether she was just another 'pick up' on the time travel journey.

It does still eeeek me that the Power of Three could be replicated through an existing Charmed One (who seems to have her powers in the past), her mother and her grandmother. - It's really a slap in the face to what is considered the best episode of Charmed, "That 70s Show".

It made me question, whether the Power of Three was merely three witches saying a spell or whether the Power of Three's strength was so strong because of the prophecy of the arrival of three sisters?

[imdb lives on]

Well I think that Shannon was actually going to appear as Ghost Prue. She was to be summoned or even drop by like Grams did on occasion. The writers felt that Shannon returning would be to big of a distraction and canceled that out.

I think for me I would want the sisters to have gone back get Prue, Piper and Phoebe from the past. That way they could actually bind Christy & Billie's powers and vanquish the triad. After that I would much rather they had written in the book about their journey as I feel that it left something for a spinoff. It would be hard enough with nine kids and now we know they live to be old ladies with kids making any storytelling not exciting. I would trim it down to three or four and after that have a little clip like in the story of Prue's death to remind us of all the great people we got to know.

[fallingsnow6136]

I liked the ending. It felt like a nice roundup and I was happy poor Phoebe finally found love. I just didn't like the rest of the season. Piper and Leo were couple goals number 1. Paige and Henry were adorable I would have loved a S9.

[CharmedFaith]

For the most part....it had its moments. It wasn't HORRIBLE so I can give them that. But it the ghost of Shannen/Prue will forever hang over it for me. I watched it again for the 2nd time in my life and its just the biggest elephant in the room. They didnt even talk about her except for a throw away line from "your dad filled me in about Prue". They could've given old Piper a throwaway line to the grandkid "it's late and I got a date with your grandmother Prue". Or given the Halliwells an emotional scene reminiscing about her.

Giving everyone 3 kids though was just overkill. Complete. and utter. over.kill. along with the sisters writing their stories in the book...its never been used to tell your life story.

Did enjoy bringing back Grams, Patty, Chris, Wyatt. Especially a more lively Patty who isnt bogged down by grief of some sort.

Dec 16, 2017 10:44:37 GMT -5 imdb lives on said:

Well I think that Shannon was actually going to appear as Ghost Prue. She was to be summoned or even drop by like Grams did on occasion. The writers felt that Shannon returning would be to big of a distraction and canceled that out.

I think for me I would want the sisters to have gone back get Prue, Piper and Phoebe from the past. That way they could actually bind Christy & Billie's powers and vanquish the triad. After that I would much rather they had written in the book about their journey as I feel that it left something for a spinoff. It would be hard enough with nine kids and now we know they live to be old ladies with kids making any storytelling not exciting. I would trim it down to three or four and after that have a little clip like in the story of Prue's death to remind us of all the great people we got to know.

This is a VERY old comment....and im sure just about everyone knows...but Kern did confirm way back when that he never approached Shannen and thought bringing her back would over shadow everyone else which is....eye rolling to the 10th degree.

[codebox]

Forever Charmed was a HORRIBLE finale. It defined how bad the show got by this point. I'd even debate it's among the top 5 worst episodes of the show. Two of the lead actresses (Alyssa and Rose) don't even appear for a good portion of it, and have to be recapped all the events that happened during their absence. Then the Triad get vanquished so anticlimatically they just felt like any other demon, and they get vanquished with potions no less! Literally the Triad comes back and is built up as a threat, yet they get taken out by the Charmed Ones simply chucking potions.

It also felt more like how many main characters of the family can we shove into the episode. By this point having any of the family members aside from Victor wore out their welcome, but killed any sense of progression. Not to mention timeline shenangians which make no sense. If Bilie and Christy stole his powers in the present day, Wyatt should have never had them in the future to begin with. And to be honest I could have done without seeing Patty, Penny, Victor, Wyatt, and Chris again.... I think I'd have loved to see Prue return for the finale. The most insulting defeat was Christy, who just stupidly chucks a huge fireball only for Billie to reflect it and wrap up her story! Since Season 8, Episode 6 Billie's main goal was to find her sister, they even bothered to try and give her conflictions when her parents come into the mix only to have Christy die by stupidly killing herself. Billie could've just reflected the fireball in another direction.

What was the point of even finding her sister? Grams and Patty's inclusion also lead to a bunch of HUGE retcons and damage to the overall timeline and in my opinion damaged the absolute worst thing in the show and it single handedly made it the worst bit of continuity in the show! The fact they can replicate the power of three, despite the fact its a sister thing, then what was the point of ever needing another sister?

Literally the entire point of the power of three is solely tied to the sisterhood and something exclusive to them. It never existed until they became the Charmed Ones, now all of a sudden the power of three exist as long as any member of the Halliwell line can use it? This rectons Paige's entire point of existing as well as any point they needed a sister for the Power of Three, if you can substitute it with any relative then what was the point of ever needing three sisters if they could just summon Grams and Patty any time at will? What would have made more sense to me is a rework of the source vanquishing spell. Patty, Penny and Piper calling on the halliwell line to vanquish the hollow. This single thing made the finale worse for me because they basically said their entire motif was completely pointless. There was no point in sisters if the power of three just exists with members of the family.

The prophecy specifically said three sisters. It literally reads "bring your powers to we sisters three."If we're going by Forever Charmed and it didn't need to be sisters, then technically the Power of Three was formed the minute Prue was born, because Patty and Penny made up the other two members. Or any other point in time when there were three descendants of Melinda Warren alive at one time.

All previously established rules of time travel went completely out the window, and they seemed to forget that the show was about sisters, not about husbands and children and lost relatives. I understand why they wanted to bring everyone back one last time, but it got in the way of what the episode should have been about. It should have been Piper, Phoebe, and Paige saving the day together, and everyone else should have come in secondarily, if they came in at all.

I know Alyssa and Rose were busy shooting other stuff, so I don't understand why they couldn't have shot stuff out of order, and worked around their schedules more.

[Elle Em]

Now that I think about it, Forever Charmed was a perfect ending to the last half of the show. As time goes on there's an ever clearer divide for me between the first and second halves of the show. I've been seeing a few things here and there on another site about fans of the original show posting photos of people like Wyatt and Chris, etc., as some kind of stand against the reboot that they don't like. And I'm left thinking, I don't even see Wyatt and Chris and others of that time period as part of the original show. The reboot felt like it started way back in season 5 when the show changed so much even with the same people and setting. Just thinking about the second half and how it seems like a spin-off series of its own, Forever Charmed is quite fitting. Prue isn't there and it isn't about sisters anymore.

And the more I think about what could be the most fitting end for Charmed personally, it's something like Pre-Witched, which stays true to original themes of the show. If they had even made an effort to capture some of that same feeling in Forever Charmed, I'd look upon it a bit more favorably.

[Esmeralda]

May 8, 2020 6:57:39 GMT -5 Elle Em said:

Now that I think about it, Forever Charmed was a perfect ending to the last half of the show. As time goes on there's an ever clearer divide for me between the first and second halves of the show. I've been seeing a few things here and there on another site about fans of the original show posting photos of people like Wyatt and Chris, etc., as some kind of stand against the reboot that they don't like. And I'm left thinking, I don't even see Wyatt and Chris and others of that time period as part of the original show. The reboot felt like it started way back in season 5 when the show changed so much even with the same people and setting. Just thinking about the second half and how it seems like a spin-off series of its own, Forever Charmed is quite fitting. Prue isn't there and it isn't about sisters anymore.

And the more I think about what could be the most fitting end for Charmed personally, it's something like Pre-Witched, which stays true to original themes of the show. If they had even made an effort to capture some of that same feeling in Forever Charmed, I'd look upon it a bit more favorably.

Your post reminds me of the one I wrote in 2016 when this thread got started, and my mind hasn't changed at all. Our only difference is I think the spin-off started in S4 and Charmed itself ended when Shax said, "The end".

May 11, 2016 18:10:20 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

It was the perfect ending for the alternate-universe spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" (aka S4-8) and should've been entitled "Forever Piper" since we really have no idea what happened to Phoebe or Paige - it was just all about Piper. Of course, that was Alyssa's and Rose's fault - not even around for the series finale - but even so...

As an episode, it's not bad. As a season finale it's not bad - there are several I hate a whole lot more - but as a series finale, it simply stunk because it was so dagnab inconsistent with the rest of Charmed. During the summer after it aired, I used the spoilers to write my own version, "Charmed Forever", and it's my all-time most popular fanfic with over 250 reviews at fanfiction.net, even if it's not the way I would've actually ended Charmed - just the way I would've fixed it.

Here were all the things I wanted to (and did) fix:

1. How Piper survived that explosion at the end of 'Kill Billie, Vol 2' without a broken bone since her powers should not have been able to protect her from the explosion.

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5. Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6. Why Penny didn’t recognize Piper from 'That 70’s Episode' when she said a spell to delete it from little Prue and little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

9. How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter with no powers, could possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

Had they just fixed those and ended it just three months later with the three sisters walking up the steps, admiring the pictures on the wall which would include shots of all of them, not just Piper and her family - especially the shot of Little Prue and Little Piper with their hands on Patty's tummy, so Prue would've been part of it - I would've enjoyed it as a finale, because it would've truly been "Forever CHARMED" and not "Forever Piper, I mean Forever Crap, I mean Forever Charmed".

[Aaeiyn]

None of these options really apply to me, but I did select "I was somewhat delighted, but more disappointed". I think the S8 finale was better than the S7 one, but at the same time, there's always more they "could've done". So, I was content with it but (also) disappointed not because I thought it sucked, just would've liked to have seen more such as Prue, whitelighter Brody, whitelighter Andy, etc.

[aggiefan12]

I think  why Kern wrote the whole Wyatt and Chris to appear  in this episode was to assure Phoebe that her and Coops romance was not  a forbidden love and that's it really.

[West]

Aug 4, 2023 20:45:56 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

I think  why Kern wrote the whole Wyatt and Chris to appear  in this episode was to assure Phoebe that her and Coops romance was not  a forbidden love and that's it really.

I always thought fan service. They served no purpose other than an excuse being back as many character they could. But you make a great case for why they could've been there.

[aggiefan12]

Aug 4, 2023 21:05:35 GMT -5 West said:

Aug 4, 2023 20:45:56 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

I think  why Kern wrote the whole Wyatt and Chris to appear  in this episode was to assure Phoebe that her and Coops romance was not  a forbidden love and that's it really.

I always thought fan service. They served no purpose other than an excuse being back as many character they could. But you make a great case for why they could've been there.

I guess we can also say fan service as well since that's not really new thing in shows. BTW I just realized Drew Fuller was in the Season 5 finale and was in most of six and an episode of 7 and episode of 8

[Keeper Of Melinda's Locket]

I cringed throughout most of the episode. I had high hopes going into it (I really gave Kern too much credit thinking he would do a good job.). But I was bored throughout the whole episode. Yet another time travel episode (yawn). Yet another time Piper goes back in time to bring her sisters back from the dead (yawn) and a very predictable anti-climatic finish to the Billie/Christy arc. Piper, Grams, and Patty recreating the PO3. REALLY???

I could go on. But I think I'll leave it at that.

[greta]

Aug 5, 2023 3:08:59 GMT -5 Keeper Of Melinda's Locket said:

I cringed throughout most of the episode. I had high hopes going into it (I really gave Kern too much credit thinking he would do a good job.). But I was bored throughout the whole episode. Yet another time travel episode (yawn). Yet another time Piper goes back in time to bring her sisters back from the dead (yawn) and a very predictable anti-climatic finish to the Billie/Christy arc. Piper, Grams, and Patty recreating the PO3. REALLY???

I could go on. But I think I'll leave it at that.

Yeah time travel was pretty repetitive really don't you think. How many times do they pull the same plotline over and over. It was tiresome.

Piper should've recreated the PO3 using the little girls like in 70s episode. It could've been cool throwback and they could've used an actress to play young Prue and not used Shannen.

[aggiefan12]

Did anybody notice that Wyatt didn't recognize Coop until he put his cupid ring back on his finger and then Wyatt suddenly blurts out Uncle Coop like he was so surprised, excited and happy to see him? When I watched this scene again and again I'm thinking shouldn't you know who your Uncle is without that ring since you grew up with him. So I'm wondering was this a writing mistake when the script was being edited or rewritten and never bothered to fix it or is this a directing problem or was this how Wes Ramsay played the scene or what?

[West]

Aug 5, 2023 18:34:57 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

Did anybody notice that Wyatt didn't recognize Coop until he put his cupid ring back on his finger and then Wyatt suddenly blurts out Uncle Coop like he was so surprised, excited and happy to see him? When I watched this scene again and again I'm thinking shouldn't you know who your Uncle is without that ring since you grew up with him. So I'm wondering was this a writing mistake when the script was being edited or rewritten and never bothered to fix it or is this a directing problem or was this how Wes Ramsay played the scene or what?

I won't be surprised its an editing mistake in post-production using a take from Wes when he forgot his lines so his facial expression is so confusion. So a directing problem. Just a guess.

[West]

Aug 5, 2023 17:43:00 GMT -5 greta said:

Aug 5, 2023 3:08:59 GMT -5 Keeper Of Melinda's Locket said:

I cringed throughout most of the episode. I had high hopes going into it (I really gave Kern too much credit thinking he would do a good job.). But I was bored throughout the whole episode. Yet another time travel episode (yawn). Yet another time Piper goes back in time to bring her sisters back from the dead (yawn) and a very predictable anti-climatic finish to the Billie/Christy arc. Piper, Grams, and Patty recreating the PO3. REALLY???

I could go on. But I think I'll leave it at that.

Yeah time travel was pretty repetitive really don't you think. How many times do they pull the same plotline over and over. It was tiresome.

Piper should've recreated the PO3 using the little girls like in 70s episode. It could've been cool throwback and they could've used an actress to play young Prue and not used Shannen.

That would've been great. But this finale is such a mess, I don't think we'd like whatever they did end up doing if they did something like that.

[aggiefan12]

Aug 5, 2023 18:40:10 GMT -5 West said:

Aug 5, 2023 18:34:57 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

Did anybody notice that Wyatt didn't recognize Coop until he put his cupid ring back on his finger and then Wyatt suddenly blurts out Uncle Coop like he was so surprised, excited and happy to see him? When I watched this scene again and again I'm thinking shouldn't you know who your Uncle is without that ring since you grew up with him. So I'm wondering was this a writing mistake when the script was being edited or rewritten and never bothered to fix it or is this a directing problem or was this how Wes Ramsay played the scene or what?

I won't be surprised its an editing mistake in post-production using a take from Wes when he forgot his lines so his facial expression is so confusion. So a directing problem. Just a guess.

I've heard some say it could be intentional that Coop might not be around when Wyatt and Chris are adults in the future since after that flashforward happens it's an unknown

[aggiefan12]

Aug 5, 2023 18:41:41 GMT -5 West said:

Aug 5, 2023 17:43:00 GMT -5 greta said:

Yeah time travel was pretty repetitive really don't you think. How many times do they pull the same plotline over and over. It was tiresome.

Piper should've recreated the PO3 using the little girls like in 70s episode. It could've been cool throwback and they could've used an actress to play young Prue and not used Shannen.

That would've been great. But this finale is such a mess, I don't think we'd like whatever they did end up doing if they did something like that.

How in the world did this show last for 8 seasons with the writing and  directing being a mess since day 1?

[West]

Aug 5, 2023 19:12:18 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

Aug 5, 2023 18:41:41 GMT -5 West said:

That would've been great. But this finale is such a mess, I don't think we'd like whatever they did end up doing if they did something like that.

How in the world did this show last for 8 seasons with the writing and  directing being a mess since day 1?

Money really. Sometimes a show can last forever but not because of its quality. I mean we only got a S8 last minute because The WB needed something to fill the schedule before the merger to The CW.

[aggiefan12]

Aug 5, 2023 19:22:24 GMT -5 West said:

Aug 5, 2023 19:12:18 GMT -5 aggiefan12 said:

How in the world did this show last for 8 seasons with the writing and  directing being a mess since day 1?

Money really. Sometimes a show can last forever but not because of its quality. I mean we only got a S8 last minute because The WB needed something to fill the schedule before the merger to The CW.

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