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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 23:30:12 GMT -5
I often say that the premier of Season 5 is when Charmed Jumped the Shark.
Instead of Happy Days' Shark, it's Charmed's mermaid which changes the show forever.
I just wonder what everybody's thoughts were around how Season 5 should have started and been executed.
What would you liked to have seen? How would you have written the premiere?
It would have been nice to have a lighter Season 5 without the fairytales, PhoeME's celebrity-ness, Paige's dumbfounded-ness and Pipers Whinny-ness.
Personally, I think the set up from the Seasons 4 finale is that Phoebe should have been on the fence about giving up their powers rather than adamant about giving them up. I think that the Change in Phoebe's character caused the direction to change in the show and I would have liked her to have remained the spontaneous irresponsible baby of the show, putting innocence first rather than what we see in 5x01.
I would have liked to have Phoebe feel a lot of guilt around her actions in the previous seasons and may be even battle with depression? With Piper, I wish her pregnancy wasn't a circus ride and that she did have a little girl to carry on the girl power mantra. And Paige - wwell there was the hole Halliwells vs Matthews thing happening and I wish she took that promotion and split from the sisters. There was also a story in there about her substance abuse and that would have been an interesting plot to explore. I actually would have liked to have seen Glen becoming recurring.
My point is that I would have rather the ladies dealt with personal issues in their true characters which would have led to them developing their bond better. I mean, even Prue Piper and Phoebe had issues to work on in Season 3. I wish this was more developed in Season 5 with them slowly coming together again at the end of the Season.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 23:35:06 GMT -5
It shouldn't have started at all.
The show's storyline effectively ended with Season Four. The Source was gone, the Charmed Ones had fulfilled their destiny, Prue was avenged. Story's over.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2016 23:53:59 GMT -5
It shouldn't have started at all. The show's storyline effectively ended with Season Four. The Source was gone, the Charmed Ones had fulfilled their destiny, Prue was avenged. Story's over. Good point. It really should have ended there! Damn the WB for picking up the show again! Your right - there was no reason to go on was there. And if there was a spin off later in the future, that had good substance to deal with. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jun 13, 2016 8:27:05 GMT -5
Or the sisters should have accepted the offer of the Angel and could have lived a normal life, like Piper always wanted and this time without whining or complaining at any time, like it did on the show. The boys could have been born this way too and later be told about their heritage. Spin-off idea also saved.  |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jun 13, 2016 17:21:44 GMT -5
For starters, I wouldn't have had Paige quite her job, instead, she would have taken the promotion of Social Worker (since she was an assistant sw in S4).
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 13, 2016 18:36:57 GMT -5
For starters, I wouldn't have had Paige quite her job, instead, she would have taken the promotion of Social Worker (since she was an assistant sw in S4). That would definitey get things started in the right direction. Me, Piper wouldn't have a shield while pregnant with Wyatt - for me, THAT was the jump-the-shark moment as she became invincible and we had a glimpse that the sisters were about to be eclipsed by SuperBaby, no matter if he was Wyatt or she was Prudence Melinda. I didn't mind the mermaid story or even Phoebe becoming one (it definitely wasn't a jump-the-shark moment in my mind since it made perfect sense with what Phoebe was going through - just like her becoming a banshee or Prue becoming a dog weren't jump-the-shark moments) as long as she eventually faced the fact that Cole was responsible for his actions, but she was responsible for hers and couldn't blame him - as long as Cole never made another appearance but both he and the Source were left behind in S4 where they belonged, giving us a better chance to get to know Paige. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jun 13, 2016 20:48:06 GMT -5
Yeah, no Cole would be another thing. There was no need expect they wanted to keep Julian. What a disgrace S5 was for Cole/Julian.
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Post by Chris on Jun 13, 2016 21:14:43 GMT -5
I would have liked to see them do the whole Evil Phoebe/Source Cole in Season 5 while Season 4 was left for Paige's introduction...
Other than that, take out the Leprechauns, Wood Nymphs, and Superheroes and Season 5 could've been better. And I agree with Jackie, Julian was basically screwed in Season 5 when they could have given Cole a legit redemption and had him move on from Phoebe and lived the rest of his demonic life in peace. Or something close to that.
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Post by West on Jun 14, 2016 3:56:09 GMT -5
Yeah, no Cole would be another thing. There was no need expect they wanted to keep Julian. What a disgrace S5 was for Cole/Julian. Thats so true. Unless you move the Cole/Source arc to season 5 and have long live the queen as both the 100th/Coles last episode as was believed to be the plan or rumored. Then There really is no use for Cole in season 5. But really it was best to close up shop after season 4. That way a true spinoff could be done properly years later. Even a revival like X files and Prison Break works way better with season 4 left as the last at that point. No way a spinoff or revival works with season 8 canon as the ending. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 14, 2016 6:54:52 GMT -5
No, I preferred the way it was done - getting the whole Cole the Source mess out of the way in Season Four. It was not ending it when it should've been ended and continuing it into S5 that screwed it up. And if most of S4 concentrated on Paige and not Phoebe and Cole (the most popular storyline at that time), we never would've had S5.
Yeah, I know... I wish so, too, but that's not what this thread is about - there's enough threads about having the show ending when it should've - after S4 (or, as far as I'm concerned, ending after S3.) This thread is about keeping S4 as is - how would you continue?
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Post by West on Jun 14, 2016 9:09:06 GMT -5
Okay. Firstly Paige stays at her job, not giving it up. Thats a must for me.
No celebrity Phoebe, instead I would move her to a new job. Just explain away she decided to do change and starts her new job in the first episode. What that is not sure yet.
No Wyatt and twice blessed child. Keep Melinda but perhaps still keep Chris as the second son but thats jumping ahead to season 6.
Maybe use the Crone more as a villian.
Keep Cole gone. With the material we had in season 4 as is. No need to keep him around.
The season final needs a makeover. That episode should be scraped. Just use the Crone or a different villian. Maybe darklighters.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jun 14, 2016 9:11:16 GMT -5
take out the Leprechauns, Wood Nymphs, and Superheroes and Season 5 could've been better. Yes, please! And the Gods. If you're not going to do it justice, don't go there. Charmed is a drama with some comedy thrown in to lighten the mood. No need to change it up because it became incredibly cringe-worthy. Wyatt's abundance of powers is ridicules. Yes, Patty had a premonition while pregnant with Paige. Something could have happened with Piper, but not to all the craziness that happened. I wouldn't have minded Piper and Leo switching places, but that shouldn't have been caused by Wyatt. Phoebe and Paige could have seen the issues and thought they were "helping" and things back-fired to cause a similar situation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:39:22 GMT -5
I hated that. She was a bloody advice columnist, a job that was just handed to her. She had no qualifications whatsoever.
Yet, in just a few months, Phoebe is being treated like a Hollywood A-List Celebrity. Sorry, I am so NOT buying this, advice columnists are a dozen a dime. They are not Hollywood stars and would not be treated as such.
This is another reasons I call bulls**t when someone here starts whining that the sisters "gave up so much" for magic. In Phoebe's case, it was quite the opposite. It was magic that allowed her to get this job and the fame that came with it.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jun 14, 2016 16:29:03 GMT -5
Wait, they gave things up for magic?
Paige gave up being social worker to refine her craft and "help" the magical community.
Piper gave up her restaurant to open a club because it was "easier". (aka, nothing. she gave up nothing.)
Phoebe as an advice columnist...sorry, but she's the last person I'd ask and listen to for advice. And yeah, even Dear Abbey is nowhere near what Ask Phoebe was. I wanted Phoebe to do more helping and pursue more with psychology. Advice Columnist does neither.
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Post by magena on Jun 14, 2016 16:31:44 GMT -5
I never thought of Phoebe as a celebrity
The newspaper publicized her column, it's a standard operating procedure
Many readers loved her column, it happens in all the newspappers in the world, only who read that kind of column knew her
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:39:42 GMT -5
That's what some posters here have said. They make it sound like magic had ruined the sisters lives. Which is total rubbish.
Yes, they lost Prue, which was a tragedy, I can't deny that.
However, look at what the sisters gained because of magic:
1. Piper and Phoebe got their current jobs because of magic.
Piper used her powers to freeze the chef, so she could add an ingredient to her dish, which led her to getting the job at Quake, which inspired her to open P3.
Phoebe got her job handed to her when Karen, the original Advice Columnist, quit. Phoebe would not have been there to get the job without magic (the sisters were involved in helping Karen).
2. Because of magic, all three sister met the men they would marry and have families with.
In the end, things worked out pretty nicely for the sisters because of magic, IMO.
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Post by sol on Jun 15, 2016 1:04:20 GMT -5
For starters, I wouldn't have had Paige quite her job, instead, she would have taken the promotion of Social Worker (since she was an assistant sw in S4). I think it was just thet promotion to alienate Paige from her work A social worker cannot give up her job to run to save some innocent, while Piper, as the owner of a club and Phoebe, as a columnist, could do Paige had to choose between seriously carry out her job as a social worker or favoring her being a witch, sh'ld not be both, just remember the constant risk of dismissal for Prue If you have a job, you cannot leave when you want |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jun 15, 2016 8:50:27 GMT -5
Well, they completed their destiny, so they shouldn't have need The Power of Three as much, so she could focus on her work and help. Because the Elders started doing that to her at some point. Let her do it on her own terms.
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Post by cyma on Jun 18, 2016 7:13:42 GMT -5
My point is that I would have rather the ladies dealt with personal issues in their true characters which would have led to them developing their bond better. I mean, even Prue Piper and Phoebe had issues to work on in Season 3. I wish this was more developed in Season 5 with them slowly coming together again at the end of the Season. What are your thoughts? This above here. The focus should've remained on sisterhood rather than love lives of the sisters. It's hard to swallow that on the sisterly front, there was nothing to develop. Paige is still virtually a stranger which they've known for a year while Prue grew up with Piper and Phoebe. Even then, there were a ton of issues between Prue and Phoebe and sometimes even Piper which were explored in earlier seasons. With Paige, the writers practically had a goldmine of issues to explore and resolve. We never saw Victor's reaction to Paige. We never saw Aunt Julie and Uncle Dave or their reactions to Paige's sisters and them being witches. Even Sam's return felt more 'meh' as the main focus was on Cole and Phoebe and even then, why in the world was Sam made a whitelighter again when he was dead and happily going away to the afterlife with Patty? It made no sense that the Elders wanted a Sam and Paige reunion. Paige could've easily summoned Sam from the afterlife like Patty for that reunion. If being a whitelighter again was a punishment for abandoning his calling after Patty's death or something like breaking the rules and having a baby with Patty, that explanation I could've bought. Anyways, here's what I came up for an alternate season 5 some time ago for another thread: |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jun 18, 2016 8:49:33 GMT -5
Definitely no celebrity for Phoebe, no fairy tales or other magical creatures and please more concentration on what made the show at first! Sisters who happened to be witches and not the other way around!! And please more Paige background. Could have given the show a new direction and then maybe go on with the usual. And no Cole (again): his story was told in S3 and S4, no need for him to go till S5! Just to have a 100th episode with him?!  No thanks! |
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No thanks!