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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 10, 2017 17:30:21 GMT -5
"Love seeing your mind at work dear. You honestly have to do your own Dream Charmed or How you would construct your perfect 4 season series of Charmed. Just summaries of each season.
But I never considered them just being not the Charmed Ones, but just being witches. Which brings me to a point dear, the Charmed Ones finished their destiny and vanquished the Source. So any demons afterwards would be lower, and more like loose ends and not needing the power of three or Charmed Ones, that all the upper level demons are gone. That *now* it's back to basics with lower level demons and innocents to save. That would allow the next generation to continue the legacy, but neither of the children can become the Charmed Ones. Just regular witches. Because the Charmed Ones ended when they finished their destiny, and the Charmed Prophecy has ran its course."
A lot of what you have just mentioned has given me cause for pause. I think I see a possibility for a couple of new threads in this. We are getting off topic here, but that's what I think sometimes leads to new ideas. I'll try to give it a shot. Thank you.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2017 19:33:56 GMT -5
SC, would you mind doing that in another color besides yellow? For us who are using the blue scheme like me (I use the pink and purple one at work where I can't log in), it's near impossible to read.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 10, 2017 20:07:21 GMT -5
SC, would you mind doing that in another color besides yellow? For us who are using the blue scheme like me (I use the pink and purple one at work where I can't log in), it's near impossible to read. Thanks! So sorry. I will work with the colors you suggested. Thanks Es. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 10, 2017 20:11:32 GMT -5
What if's for Charmed always make places like this so much fun. I always enjoy reading those sort of stories. I like your point of view. You have a strong case, and I can see what you mean totally. Had Grams raised them and told them about their destiny, but not unbound their powers until they were truly ready. Well things might have turned out differently, but you are right with how Prue handled herself under the circumstances, which had she been told earlier about her powers and destiny. Prue would of reacted differently no doubt. I can now admit, exactly so. Perhaps if Andy had come back into her life at the time that Cole came into Phoebe's (and neither Cole or the Source did so there wouldn't have been as much danger), their love story might have been more similar to Paige's and Henry's. Maybe Andy could of been introduced in season 2 or 3. We might have been treated to a great love story like Paige and Henry. Maybe Darryl could still be around, but Andy becomes his partner later on. Greetings Ruth Marie ... I gather you joined the site while I was on a leave of absents, so welcome to The Cafe. It's always a joy when new members come on-board, and speaks volumes for how beloved the show was considering it has been off the air for a decade. Shall we say the program has power? I appreciated your following comment, as many of us have tossed this one around. "I like your point of view. You have a strong case, and I can see what you mean totally. Had Grams raised them and told them about their destiny, but not unbound their powers until they were truly ready. Well things might have turned out differently, but you are right with how Prue handled herself under the circumstances, which had she been told earlier about her powers and destiny. Prue would of reacted differently no doubt." Don't get me wrong as I adored Grams and wished she was part of my life. I also think she was wise for making the decision to bind the girls powers. I think there was no other option there, but to totally ignore the teaching of the craft, especially when the girls would sooner or later receive them was a mistake. I recall there was an episode where she mentions that she knew when she passed the power of three would be bestowed upon them. Therefore she was not ignorant of the future they would face. With that knowledge she should have had enough hind-sight to realize that school should have been in secession. Location ... The Attic. Experimental potions 101, intro lectures on general and family Wiccan history along with memorizing and understanding spell casting would have given them a heads up on things to come. I somehow doubt that these courses would have alerted the dark forces to the girls destiny. After all, anyone of us could do that and we are not Charmed. That being said I have to wonder if Grams misstep might have come about do to her lack of what being Charmed was truly all about. When the girls took a trip back to the past and Phoebe was in the womb, neither Patty or Penny were thinking along the lines of the prophecy coming about in their time period. Both of them appeared to be surprised but delighted. This I think tells us that they were not very well schooled themselves. Considering that this had never happened before how could they be? Since Penny bound their powers directly after Phoebe's birth she had scant time to do much research. I would think all she was concerned about was protecting them. This I think explains some of her actions, but doesn't totally excuse it. She could have pondered this dilemma while they were still children, but like Prue reconnecting with Andy, lets see what was on her plate. Grams was a widow who lost her only child to a demon. She is now faced in her advancing years with the up-brings of three little girls. What she was using as income to run a home and care for them I have no idea. Victor was out of the picture so he was of no help. I don't recall any other family members she could have leaned on. She did have at least three friends that were privy to this situation, but they had lives to live too. For the most part she seems to be alone or maybe unwilling to share all the pitfalls she might dread facing. I know that would be a lot on my plate. With the chats I have just been having I feel like a bucked of cold water has just been dumped on my head. For all we think they did wrong or handled badly, this is the first time I have put myself in their shoes. I look at what I am dealing with right now and have to ponder ... how would I respond (at any age)to discovering that I am not only a witch by decent, but have to come to terms with being ..... CHARMED? Hello ShadowCat, Yes I have been around but posted in the shoutbox until fully becoming a member this year. We discussed how the show might have been if Andy stayed in the shoutbox. So I am so glad to see the conversations has gone on for 4 pages now in this thread. I often forget that the death of Patty might have effected Grams so much with raising three little girls. But we have no idea if any other family was around, and she only had her friends. In addition to the many husbands Grams had after her first husband died in the 60s. It is enough to wish we got more out of Grams backstory raising Prue, Piper and Phoebe in an episode or two. But I still believe Grams made the wrong decision to not share her knowledge before she died, with their powers bound. Obviously little girls and teenagers are not capable of having powers. But old enough to learn the basic tools of the trade is an asset. But I often wonder what their knowledge of the Charmed Ones was. Was it really when Prue, Piper and Phoebe time travelled to the 70s, that they knew it was Patty's children. That they knew it could happen, but what if Grams had two children, would she wonder if her children were going to be the Charmed Ones. But still I am interested to know just what knowledge Grams and Patty had on the Charmed Ones, or Grams knew right up until she died. Once Patty was born with a third child, they still didn't believe it was going to be in their time. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2017 20:27:01 GMT -5
Oh, I'm pretty sure they knew. After all, Prue had TK, Piper could freeze and Phoebe gave Patty a few premonitions - both the one of the future Charmed Ones and (even if that didn't happen the first time), the fact that Patty would be a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding, meaning the three girls had Melinda Warren's three powers.
If that didn't make it clear that they could/would be the Charmed Ones, I'm not sure what would!
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 10, 2017 20:41:48 GMT -5
Oh, I'm pretty sure they knew. After all, Prue had TK, Piper could freeze and Phoebe gave Patty a few premonitions - both the one of the future Charmed Ones and (even if that didn't happen the first time), the fact that Patty would be a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding, meaning the three girls had Melinda Warren's three powers. If that didn't make it clear that they could/would be the Charmed Ones, I'm not sure what would! Your right Es about that. I didn't think to remember Patty being a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding and what she told them. But wondering just how much knowledge they had about the Charmed Ones destiny. Like what would they have to do. If Grams had known they were going to face off against the Source, she would have told them and got them ready. So her knowledge wasn't that much. I don't agree with her methods of hiding it for so long, but I can understand why she did it. Just that she went about it in the wrong way. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 10, 2017 21:21:24 GMT -5
I can now admit, exactly so. Perhaps if Andy had come back into her life at the time that Cole came into Phoebe's (and neither Cole or the Source did so there wouldn't have been as much danger), their love story might have been more similar to Paige's and Henry's. Maybe Andy could of been introduced in season 2 or 3. We might have been treated to a great love story like Paige and Henry. Maybe Darryl could still be around, but Andy becomes his partner later on. Greetings Ruth Marie ... I gather you joined the site while I was on a leave of absents, so welcome to The Cafe. It's always a joy when new members come on-board, and speaks volumes for how beloved the show was considering it has been off the air for a decade. Shall we say the program has power? I appreciated your following comment, as many of us have tossed this one around. "I like your point of view. You have a strong case, and I can see what you mean totally. Had Grams raised them and told them about their destiny, but not unbound their powers until they were truly ready. Well things might have turned out differently, but you are right with how Prue handled herself under the circumstances, which had she been told earlier about her powers and destiny. Prue would of reacted differently no doubt." Don't get me wrong as I adored Grams and wished she was part of my life. I also think she was wise for making the decision to bind the girls powers. I think there was no other option there, but to totally ignore the teaching of the craft, especially when the girls would sooner or later receive them was a mistake. I recall there was an episode where she mentions that she knew when she passed the power of three would be bestowed upon them. Therefore she was not ignorant of the future they would face. With that knowledge she should have had enough hind-sight to realize that school should have been in secession. Location ... The Attic. Experimental potions 101, intro lectures on general and family Wiccan history along with memorizing and understanding spell casting would have given them a heads up on things to come. I somehow doubt that these courses would have alerted the dark forces to the girls destiny. After all, anyone of us could do that and we are not Charmed. That being said I have to wonder if Grams misstep might have come about do to her lack of what being Charmed was truly all about. When the girls took a trip back to the past and Phoebe was in the womb, neither Patty or Penny were thinking along the lines of the prophecy coming about in their time period. Both of them appeared to be surprised but delighted. This I think tells us that they were not very well schooled themselves. Considering that this had never happened before how could they be? Since Penny bound their powers directly after Phoebe's birth she had scant time to do much research. I would think all she was concerned about was protecting them. This I think explains some of her actions, but doesn't totally excuse it. She could have pondered this dilemma while they were still children, but like Prue reconnecting with Andy, lets see what was on her plate. Grams was a widow who lost her only child to a demon. She is now faced in her advancing years with the up-brings of three little girls. What she was using as income to run a home and care for them I have no idea. Victor was out of the picture so he was of no help. I don't recall any other family members she could have leaned on. She did have at least three friends that were privy to this situation, but they had lives to live too. For the most part she seems to be alone or maybe unwilling to share all the pitfalls she might dread facing. I know that would be a lot on my plate. With the chats I have just been having I feel like a bucked of cold water has just been dumped on my head. For all we think they did wrong or handled badly, this is the first time I have put myself in their shoes. I look at what I am dealing with right now and have to ponder ... how would I respond (at any age)to discovering that I am not only a witch by decent, but have to come to terms with being ..... CHARMED? Hello ShadowCat, Yes I have been around but posted in the shoutbox until fully becoming a member this year. We discussed how the show might have been if Andy stayed in the shoutbox. So I am so glad to see the conversations has gone on for 4 pages now in this thread. I often forget that the death of Patty might have effected Grams so much with raising three little girls. But we have no idea if any other family was around, and she only had her friends. In addition to the many husbands Grams had after her first husband died in the 60s. It is enough to wish we got more out of Grams backstory raising Prue, Piper and Phoebe in an episode or two. But I still believe Grams made the wrong decision to not share her knowledge before she died, with their powers bound. Obviously little girls and teenagers are not capable of having powers. But old enough to learn the basic tools of the trade is an asset. But I often wonder what their knowledge of the Charmed Ones was. Was it really when Prue, Piper and Phoebe time travelled to the 70s, that they knew it was Patty's children. That they knew it could happen, but what if Grams had two children, would she wonder if her children were going to be the Charmed Ones. But still I am interested to know just what knowledge Grams and Patty had on the Charmed Ones, or Grams knew right up until she died. Once Patty was born with a third child, they still didn't believe it was going to be in their time. You bring up some very interesting thoughts here Ruth Marie (RM), and I think you might have some fun presenting them as new threads. One might be to asked patrons here at The Cafe what kind of of episodes they might have created pertaining to Gram's past, when she was suddenly more of a mother than a grandmother who plays and spoils, rather than disciplines and guides off-spring into the future. This is becoming more and more common today, but back in the 70's not so much. Also, throw in The Charmed responsibility on her shoulders, and you have a heavy weight indeed to deal with. Personally I think she was scared for more reasons than she wanted to admit, thus she didn't want Prue to leave for the east coast. That might be selfish but understandable considering her heart problems, Phoebe's wild and school girl ways, oh and .... the dangerous future they would soon be faced with. I think something we may have passed over is that Patty died when Phoebe was what 2? This would mean that Paige had just been given up for adoption. If Patty had lived perhaps the two of them could have come to some agreement on training up the girls, but with their mother gone and now another child in the mix; never knowing when the other shoe would drop concerning the elders; Gram's may have been overwhelmed with hard choices. This brings me to the Elders that I think were of little or no help when it really mattered. Someone up there was totally asleep at the switch, and should have assigned a White-lighter to counsel Penny at least after Patty lost her life. Those big brains truly expected a lot from, at the time, grade school baby witches ... Charmed or not. Shame on them! |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2017 21:21:28 GMT -5
Oh, I'm pretty sure they knew. After all, Prue had TK, Piper could freeze and Phoebe gave Patty a few premonitions - both the one of the future Charmed Ones and (even if that didn't happen the first time) and the fact that Patty would be a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding, meaning they knew the three little girls had Melinda Warren's three powers even before Grams bound them. If that didn't make it clear that they could/would be the Charmed Ones, I'm not sure what would! Your right Es about that. I didn't think to remember Patty being a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding and what she told them. But wondering just how much knowledge they had about the Charmed Ones destiny. Like what would they have to do. If Grams had known they were going to face off against the Source, she would have told them and got them ready. So her knowledge wasn't that much. I don't agree with her methods of hiding it for so long, but I can understand why she did it. Just that she went about it in the wrong way. Ah, gotcha, and agree totally. Although again, I think she wanted them to have that chance to be as normal as they could be for as long as they could be. It's what allowed them to live in the real world. But it is a shame that Melinda Warren never had a premonition about all the evil the Charmed Ones would have to battle so that they could be warned. If the Source had never bothered any of the Warrens-Halliwells before, you can see why Grams wouldn't have warned them. I think she did the best she could with the knowledge she had at that time. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 17, 2017 7:32:55 GMT -5
Maybe Andy could of been introduced in season 2 or 3. We might have been treated to a great love story like Paige and Henry. Maybe Darryl could still be around, but Andy becomes his partner later on. Hello ShadowCat, Yes I have been around but posted in the shoutbox until fully becoming a member this year. We discussed how the show might have been if Andy stayed in the shoutbox. So I am so glad to see the conversations has gone on for 4 pages now in this thread. I often forget that the death of Patty might have effected Grams so much with raising three little girls. But we have no idea if any other family was around, and she only had her friends. In addition to the many husbands Grams had after her first husband died in the 60s. It is enough to wish we got more out of Grams backstory raising Prue, Piper and Phoebe in an episode or two. But I still believe Grams made the wrong decision to not share her knowledge before she died, with their powers bound. Obviously little girls and teenagers are not capable of having powers. But old enough to learn the basic tools of the trade is an asset. But I often wonder what their knowledge of the Charmed Ones was. Was it really when Prue, Piper and Phoebe time travelled to the 70s, that they knew it was Patty's children. That they knew it could happen, but what if Grams had two children, would she wonder if her children were going to be the Charmed Ones. But still I am interested to know just what knowledge Grams and Patty had on the Charmed Ones, or Grams knew right up until she died. Once Patty was born with a third child, they still didn't believe it was going to be in their time. You bring up some very interesting thoughts here Ruth Marie (RM), and I think you might have some fun presenting them as new threads. One might be to asked patrons here at The Cafe what kind of of episodes they might have created pertaining to Gram's past, when she was suddenly more of a mother than a grandmother who plays and spoils, rather than disciplines and guides off-spring into the future. This is becoming more and more common today, but back in the 70's not so much. Also, throw in The Charmed responsibility on her shoulders, and you have a heavy weight indeed to deal with. Personally I think she was scared for more reasons than she wanted to admit, thus she didn't want Prue to leave for the east coast. That might be selfish but understandable considering her heart problems, Phoebe's wild and school girl ways, oh and .... the dangerous future they would soon be faced with. I think something we may have passed over is that Patty died when Phoebe was what 2? This would mean that Paige had just been given up for adoption. If Patty had lived perhaps the two of them could have come to some agreement on training up the girls, but with their mother gone and now another child in the mix; never knowing when the other shoe would drop concerning the elders; Gram's may have been overwhelmed with hard choices. This brings me to the Elders that I think were of little or no help when it really mattered. Someone up there was totally asleep at the switch, and should have assigned a White-lighter to counsel Penny at least after Patty lost her life. Those big brains truly expected a lot from, at the time, grade school baby witches ... Charmed or not. Shame on them! Thank you for your feedback, and you bring up some really good points. Your right Es about that. I didn't think to remember Patty being a corporeal ghost at Piper's wedding and what she told them. But wondering just how much knowledge they had about the Charmed Ones destiny. Like what would they have to do. If Grams had known they were going to face off against the Source, she would have told them and got them ready. So her knowledge wasn't that much. I don't agree with her methods of hiding it for so long, but I can understand why she did it. Just that she went about it in the wrong way. Ah, gotcha, and agree totally. Although again, I think she wanted them to have that chance to be as normal as they could be for as long as they could be. It's what allowed them to live in the real world. But it is a shame that Melinda Warren never had a premonition about all the evil the Charmed Ones would have to battle so that they could be warned. If the Source had never bothered any of the Warrens-Halliwells before, you can see why Grams wouldn't have warned them. I think she did the best she could with the knowledge she had at that time. I am too hard on poor old Grams. But your right Es, and no way would little girls or teenagers be mature enough to handle it all and saving innocents. Grams keeping them normal for longer had its benefits. But it doesn't excuse her keeping them in the dark with no knowledge at all. Oh wouldn't that have been great if Melinda saw all of that Es. Yeah guess she did the best she did with the knowledge she had. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 17, 2017 8:01:59 GMT -5
This is exactly why I call Piper a crappy mother. She complains so much about wanting a normal life, but you never see her doing anything to give her sons one of those - especially Wyatt with all of those powers.
Remember - when the sisters' powers were bound, it kept them off Evil's radar. That's first season and canon (sorry, Kernus, the Demon of Inconsistency), so if she'd done that, they'd be safe and be able to have normal lives.
Want to know why Wyatt turned evil?
Now you know...
And why didn't the sisters as teenagers and why we never want to see a prequel of them as teenagers?
Now you know...
Thanks, Nicholas....you let the Charmed Ones have a normal childhood!
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 17, 2017 8:12:51 GMT -5
This is exactly why I call Piper a crappy mother. She complains so much about wanting a normal life, but you never see her doing anything to give her sons one of those - especially Wyatt with all of those powers. Remember - when the sisters' powers were bound, it kept them off Evil's radar. That's first season and canon (sorry, Kernus, the Demon of Inconsistency), so if she'd done that, they'd be safe and be able to have normal lives. Want to know why Wyatt turned evil? Now you know... And why didn't the sisters as teenagers and why we never want to see a prequel of them as teenagers? Now you know... Thanks, Nicholas....you let the Charmed Ones have a normal childhood! Yes to all of this Es. I couldn't agree more, just letting them know about their heritage and teaching them skills and unbinding their powers when they are truly capable and mature enough to handle it. Makes sense, don't you think. Honestly, how in the world can children or teenagers be capable of saving innocents and having powers. BIG NO! Not mature enough to handle it, until they are 18 or finished high school. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 17, 2017 13:17:02 GMT -5
This is exactly why I call Piper a crappy mother. She complains so much about wanting a normal life, but you never see her doing anything to give her sons one of those - especially Wyatt with all of those powers. Remember - when the sisters' powers were bound, it kept them off Evil's radar. That's first season and canon (sorry, Kernus, the Demon of Inconsistency), so if she'd done that, they'd be safe and be able to have normal lives. Want to know why Wyatt turned evil? Now you know... And why didn't the sisters as teenagers and why we never want to see a prequel of them as teenagers? Now you know... Thanks, Nicholas....you let the Charmed Ones have a normal childhood! I agree that Piper was not very responsible as a parent. Given the story in bits and pieces the realization of that sometimes slipped through my fingers. Making a study of it blows open doors. This show brought front and center my mother telling me that "the apple doesn't fall very far from the tree." Patty broke the rules after she knew the truth about the girls. This means she put her desires well ahead of the future of the children she already had. She created another child that shouldn't have been, and skated on thin ice with the temporary band-aid of safety binding the powers of the future charmed ones. Personally I think she should have retired from demon killing when she found out she was pregnant with Phoebe. She and Penny then should have started building a better tomorrow for them. She many have been in love with Sam but her love for her children should have come first. Patty made a mistake getting involved with a white-lighter, Piper follows her down that path. Patty binds the girls powers but offers no training, Piper made that one worse. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 17, 2017 15:42:11 GMT -5
You bring up some very interesting thoughts here Ruth Marie (RM), and I think you might have some fun presenting them as new threads. One might be to asked patrons here at The Cafe what kind of of episodes they might have created pertaining to Gram's past, when she was suddenly more of a mother than a grandmother who plays and spoils, rather than disciplines and guides off-spring into the future. This is becoming more and more common today, but back in the 70's not so much. Also, throw in The Charmed responsibility on her shoulders, and you have a heavy weight indeed to deal with. Personally I think she was scared for more reasons than she wanted to admit, thus she didn't want Prue to leave for the east coast. That might be selfish but understandable considering her heart problems, Phoebe's wild and school girl ways, oh and .... the dangerous future they would soon be faced with. I think something we may have passed over is that Patty died when Phoebe was what 2? This would mean that Paige had just been given up for adoption. If Patty had lived perhaps the two of them could have come to some agreement on training up the girls, but with their mother gone and now another child in the mix; never knowing when the other shoe would drop concerning the elders; Gram's may have been overwhelmed with hard choices. This brings me to the Elders that I think were of little or no help when it really mattered. Someone up there was totally asleep at the switch, and should have assigned a White-lighter to counsel Penny at least after Patty lost her life. Those big brains truly expected a lot from, at the time, grade school baby witches ... Charmed or not. Shame on them! Thank you for your feedback, and you bring up some really good points. Ah, gotcha, and agree totally. Although again, I think she wanted them to have that chance to be as normal as they could be for as long as they could be. It's what allowed them to live in the real world. But it is a shame that Melinda Warren never had a premonition about all the evil the Charmed Ones would have to battle so that they could be warned. If the Source had never bothered any of the Warrens-Halliwells before, you can see why Grams wouldn't have warned them. I think she did the best she could with the knowledge she had at that time. I am too hard on poor old Grams. But your right Es, and no way would little girls or teenagers be mature enough to handle it all and saving innocents. Grams keeping them normal for longer had its benefits. But it doesn't excuse her keeping them in the dark with no knowledge at all. Oh wouldn't that have been great if Melinda saw all of that Es. Yeah guess she did the best she did with the knowledge she had. RM your comment on being too hard on Grams made me ponder something else. Penny must have at least known of the family history even if she didn't ponder that it might come about in her life time. With all that we have out there regarding DNA and how even TV commercials are pushing for us to get involved, I have to wonder as a super-witch, why she wasn't at least curious enough to do some research into the possibility. Since she was the holder of the BOS it might have behooved her and Patty to do some homework for future generations .... regardless. I know that hind-sight is 20/20, but in this case they had a lot more to work with than the rest of us. Considering what was going to be at-stake at some point, study, research and learning should have been a priory. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 17, 2017 21:00:29 GMT -5
Thank you for your feedback, and you bring up some really good points. I am too hard on poor old Grams. But your right Es, and no way would little girls or teenagers be mature enough to handle it all and saving innocents. Grams keeping them normal for longer had its benefits. But it doesn't excuse her keeping them in the dark with no knowledge at all. Oh wouldn't that have been great if Melinda saw all of that Es. Yeah guess she did the best she did with the knowledge she had. RM your comment on being too hard on Grams made me ponder something else. Penny must have at least known of the family history even if she didn't ponder that it might come about in her life time. With all that we have out there regarding DNA and how even TV commercials are pushing for us to get involved, I have to wonder as a super-witch, why she wasn't at least curious enough to do some research into the possibility. Since she was the holder of the BOS it might have behooved her and Patty to do some homework for future generations .... regardless. I know that hind-sight is 20/20, but in this case they had a lot more to work with than the rest of us. Considering what was going to be at-stake at some point, study, research and learning should have been a priory. I agree with you SC. More research should of been done, but she did the best she did. I mean it is not like the Charmed Prophecy had a manual for everything they are suppose to do written done. Which brings me to another point, they made it clear they were very powerful witches the world has ever known. I always wondered if this meant only they were the best for this generation and anyone that comes after cannot be as good as the Charmed Ones. A bit restrictive don't you think. I mean in the entire world, I don't believe they are the only ones capable. Sure nobody else has a power of three access. But not impossible that somewhere in the world, other witches are out protecting the innocents against demons. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 18, 2017 3:07:13 GMT -5
Yes, restrictive, but that was the prophecy. If someone else beyond them would be more powerful (Wyatt...), she would've seen them, not the sisters - and the ones in 'All Halliwell's Eve' would've called for and got someone else (and they got the original set, not the second set...). That's part of why I count S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off that has nothing to do with the real Charmed (S1-3) because it has its own prophecy that invalidates the one Charmed was based on.
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 18, 2017 22:27:11 GMT -5
RM your comment on being too hard on Grams made me ponder something else. Penny must have at least known of the family history even if she didn't ponder that it might come about in her life time. With all that we have out there regarding DNA and how even TV commercials are pushing for us to get involved, I have to wonder as a super-witch, why she wasn't at least curious enough to do some research into the possibility. Since she was the holder of the BOS it might have behooved her and Patty to do some homework for future generations .... regardless. I know that hind-sight is 20/20, but in this case they had a lot more to work with than the rest of us. Considering what was going to be at-stake at some point, study, research and learning should have been a priory. I agree with you SC. More research should of been done, but she did the best she did. I mean it is not like the Charmed Prophecy had a manual for everything they are suppose to do written done. Which brings me to another point, they made it clear they were very powerful witches the world has ever known. I always wondered if this meant only they were the best for this generation and anyone that comes after cannot be as good as the Charmed Ones. A bit restrictive don't you think. I mean in the entire world, I don't believe they are the only ones capable. Sure nobody else has a power of three access. But not impossible that somewhere in the world, other witches are out protecting the innocents against demons. RM I have questioned this many times, if only in my head. I think we have to just chalk this up to the powers that be being short-sighted and narrow minded. When Charmed started I lived in the bay area of SF and I got a good laugh out of them presenting a story as SF being the seat of all evil. Hey, I'm from the east coast .... been to the seat of the nation lately? LOL!! In the real world the only way The Charmed One's could have benefited the nation as the most powerful witches seeking justice for the innocents would have been to marry wiccan husbands, produce each three children, move to different locations throughout the country and keep the ball rolling. Here is something to ponder .... does anyone think that the writer's of this show looked upon themselves as the Elders? Yeah .... I can see that. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 19, 2017 6:28:33 GMT -5
Yes, restrictive, but that was the prophecy. If someone else beyond them would be more powerful (Wyatt...), she would've seen them, not the sisters - and the ones in 'All Halliwell's Eve' would've called for and got someone else (and they got the original set, not the second set...). That's part of why I count S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off that has nothing to do with the real Charmed (S1-3) because it has its own prophecy that invalidates the one Charmed was based on. You make a strong case Es. One can count it as its own spin-off series. I agree with you SC. More research should of been done, but she did the best she did. I mean it is not like the Charmed Prophecy had a manual for everything they are suppose to do written done. Which brings me to another point, they made it clear they were very powerful witches the world has ever known. I always wondered if this meant only they were the best for this generation and anyone that comes after cannot be as good as the Charmed Ones. A bit restrictive don't you think. I mean in the entire world, I don't believe they are the only ones capable. Sure nobody else has a power of three access. But not impossible that somewhere in the world, other witches are out protecting the innocents against demons. RM I have questioned this many times, if only in my head. I think we have to just chalk this up to the powers that be being short-sighted and narrow minded. When Charmed started I lived in the bay area of SF and I got a good laugh out of them presenting a story as SF being the seat of all evil. Hey, I'm from the east coast .... been to the seat of the nation lately? LOL!! In the real world the only way The Charmed One's could have benefited the nation as the most powerful witches seeking justice for the innocents would have been to marry wiccan husbands, produce each three children, move to different locations throughout the country and keep the ball rolling. Here is something to ponder .... does anyone think that the writer's of this show looked upon themselves as the Elders? Yeah .... I can see that. Yeah I don't know why they picked SF as a location. I mean they barely even explored the culture. You take out all the stock footage of SF, and you might as well just make it a different city. LOL!! SC you hit gold, the writer's truly were the Elders, and I wouldn't even go as far as to call them Elders. They were the devil under Elders clothing. HAHA |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2017 9:24:48 GMT -5
Yes, restrictive, but that was the prophecy. If someone else beyond them would be more powerful (Wyatt...), she would've seen them, not the sisters - and the ones in 'All Halliwell's Eve' would've called for and got someone else (and they got the original set, not the second set...). That's part of why I count S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off that has nothing to do with the real Charmed (S1-3) because it has its own prophecy that invalidates the one Charmed was based on. You make a strong case Es. One can count it as its own spin-off series. RM I have questioned this many times, if only in my head. I think we have to just chalk this up to the powers that be being short-sighted and narrow minded. When Charmed started I lived in the bay area of SF and I got a good laugh out of them presenting a story as SF being the seat of all evil. Hey, I'm from the east coast .... been to the seat of the nation lately? LOL!! In the real world the only way The Charmed One's could have benefited the nation as the most powerful witches seeking justice for the innocents would have been to marry wiccan husbands, produce each three children, move to different locations throughout the country and keep the ball rolling. Here is something to ponder .... does anyone think that the writer's of this show looked upon themselves as the Elders? Yeah .... I can see that. Yeah I don't know why they picked SF as a location. I mean they barely even explored the culture. You take out all the stock footage of SF, and you might as well just make it a different city. LOL!! SC you hit gold, the writer's truly were the Elders, and I wouldn't even go as far as to call them Elders. They were the devil under Elders clothing. HAHA No, I wouldn't put it on the writers - they just had to write what they were told to write. They're more like whitelighters. The Elders would be The WB and Brad Kern. And they were just like the Elders in S6 And S7 - more demonic than the demons. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 19, 2017 19:11:16 GMT -5
Yes, restrictive, but that was the prophecy. If someone else beyond them would be more powerful (Wyatt...), she would've seen them, not the sisters - and the ones in 'All Halliwell's Eve' would've called for and got someone else (and they got the original set, not the second set...). That's part of why I count S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off that has nothing to do with the real Charmed (S1-3) because it has its own prophecy that invalidates the one Charmed was based on. I like what your post brought to the archives of my mind. I have to wonder if the reason Melinda's predictions became tangled was because Penny, Patty and Piper ( a true trinity knot of Crone - Woman and Child) ignored the rules, many of them which they had knowledge of. Patty knew only too well that she should not have gotten involved with Sam. She did it anyway and compounded the problem by getting pregnant. That was sloppy. Piper ends up following in her foot-steps thus creating a child more complicated than Paige. I have to wonder if she had never connected to Leo would The Source have stayed in his own playground. I think she needed to make a hard choice here. Marry Leo and remain childless or realize that she has to let him go. Of interest Leo leaves anyway and she is left with two children that are, well, set for the fall. As for Penny, she to me seemed more existed about being the grandmother of The Charmed One's than taking into consideration the responsibilities that come with the package. I look at this like purchasing a hot car but not having the finances to keep it running. How does it go, to whom much is given, much is expected? Now pondering this it appears to me that maybe a different trio of witches damaged the fabric of the original prophecy, thus creating a future Melinda could not see. |
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Post by ShadowCat on Feb 19, 2017 19:26:36 GMT -5
Yes, restrictive, but that was the prophecy. If someone else beyond them would be more powerful (Wyatt...), she would've seen them, not the sisters - and the ones in 'All Halliwell's Eve' would've called for and got someone else (and they got the original set, not the second set...). That's part of why I count S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off that has nothing to do with the real Charmed (S1-3) because it has its own prophecy that invalidates the one Charmed was based on. You make a strong case Es. One can count it as its own spin-off series. RM I have questioned this many times, if only in my head. I think we have to just chalk this up to the powers that be being short-sighted and narrow minded. When Charmed started I lived in the bay area of SF and I got a good laugh out of them presenting a story as SF being the seat of all evil. Hey, I'm from the east coast .... been to the seat of the nation lately? LOL!! In the real world the only way The Charmed One's could have benefited the nation as the most powerful witches seeking justice for the innocents would have been to marry wiccan husbands, produce each three children, move to different locations throughout the country and keep the ball rolling. Here is something to ponder .... does anyone think that the writer's of this show looked upon themselves as the Elders? Yeah .... I can see that. Yeah I don't know why they picked SF as a location. I mean they barely even explored the culture. You take out all the stock footage of SF, and you might as well just make it a different city. LOL!! SC you hit gold, the writer's truly were the Elders, and I wouldn't even go as far as to call them Elders. They were the devil under Elders clothing. HAHA Your post gave me a chuckle. Yeah, this could have been anywhere USA. Why they set it there could be because it is a most beautiful city with an amazing history kicking off in about 1850. It also is a bit free-wheeling and accepting of just about anything. Remember the time when someone from the medieval period is running around the city dressed in chain-mail, and Piper says no one will notice ... this is San Francisco? Well some of the things I witnessed there still have me laughing. I know Es doesn't think the writers were the Elders, and she does make a good point on who in the inner circle could have been ... I have to agree with her, but I am not so sure I would call them white-lighters. Possible both a mix of both white and dark, or perhaps lesser minions of the all powerful Kernster. I do love the common of them being devils under Elder clothing. |
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