Charmed CW Reboot Ordered to Pilot: Attempt Number 3

[Melinda Halliwell]

Their gonna concentrate more on supernatural storylines than sisterly moments which I hope doesn't happen because those things are what most people here loved about the original series.

[summerreading]

Mar 25, 2019 22:28:38 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

The show is getting retooled for Season 2.

Charmed is conjuring up a fresh creative direction, thanks to some new people in charge behind the scenes.

The CW’s freshman reboot is switching showrunners for the upcoming Season 2, with married writing team Liz Kruger and Craig Shapiro (Salvation, Necessary Roughness) taking over for Season 1 boss Carter Covington (Faking It), according to The Hollywood Reporter. The switch signals a creative change for Charmed, which “is expected to lean harder into its supernatural storylines and less into the family dynamic” next season, per THR. (Covington was originally brought on to help creators Jessica O’Toole and Amy Rardin, a pair of Jane the Virgin writers who had never run a show before.)

Charmed — which stars Melonie Diaz, Sarah Jeffery and Madeleine Mantock as a trio of sisters who discover after their mother’s death that they’re all powerful witches — was renewed in January, along with nine other CW shows. A reboot of the 1998-2006 WB staple starring Alyssa Milano, Holly Marie Combs, Shannen Doherty and Rose McGowan, Charmed has averaged a steady 0.33 rating in the key demo during its freshman run, which wraps up in May.

tvline.com/2019/03/25/charmed-season-2-new-showrunner-the-cw/

I don't like the sound of this at all. Looks like they don't think the sisterly relationship and family dynamic is important. 

So Carter Covington served the same role Brad Kern did with Connie to help someone/s who hadn't ran a show before, only here he is leaving.

Didn't know that I was under the impression that Jane the Virgin Creator was the showrunner all this time. 

Too bad that like this Carter Covington guy, Brad Kern left after Season 1 or 2, when Connie gained enough experience to take over, of course, we all know what happened here. 

[Assassin Witch]

What's the point of making them sisters to begin with?!

What was one of thw biggest downfalls for our show. The loss of the family dynamic.

[gzv969]

Wow!!

Lean harder into it’s supernatural story lines and less into the family dynamic?

Sound familiar? Looks like their following the same direction OG Charmed took. Only this time it took only one season to get there and not 3.

[Esmeralda]

It all just makes me very glad that I haven't wasted one single second on this rip-off that was never really about three sisters who happened to be witches, but instead always about three demon-hunters who happened to be related, especially now that the only thing that really made them sisters - their mother - has had her murder solved, so she'll probably be forgotten.

I admit I was happy when it appeared they were rebooting Charmed's alternate-universe spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" (aka S4-8) and not Classic Charmed (S1-3). That left Classic Charmed alone and maybe they'd fix TPoPPPPP by letting it go back to being a show about three sisters who happened to be witches. Had that happened, I would've watched my very first The CW series.

Instead, from what I've read, there's none of those wonderful sisterly moments like we've gotten to see while re-watching S1. And now even that's gone, and undoubtedly the only "family" we'll see will be similar to TPoPPP with these sisters getting married and it being all about that and demons and warlocks and *YAWN*.

I've read posts where fans mourning the ending of Supernatural (speaking of...) was wishing they'd spun off the Wayward Sisters. I know nothing about them, but if they also concentrate on supernaturalism over sisterhood, then I wish they'd ended BOTH Supernatural and Rip-off Charmed and just started that. I have a hunch most fans would've been happier with that. I probably wouldn't have watched it - I've yet to find a show on The CW that appeals to me - but I'll bet more fans would watch that than are watching Rip-Off Charmed, which is only being continued because it's called Charmed and they can't admit they screwed up using that as a title.

[summerreading]

I have never seen Supernatural but here is what that spin-off was about from what I read online:

Wayward Sisters tells the story of Sheriff Jody Mills (Kim Rhodes), Sheriff Donna Hanscum (Briana Buckmaster) and a group of troubled young women, all of them orphaned by supernatural tragedy. Under Mills' training and protection, the women will emerge as a supreme fighting force. Unlike the original series, which centers on biological brothers, Wayward Sisters is about sisterhood and the relationship between these five women in a foster family.

Well, I'm sure fans would have loved this. It looks like it only had five stars attached and no male supporting stars, never seen Supernatural but that show I think never had any female supporting stars or female love interests in it (someone who has watched that show can correct me). I probably wouldn't have checked this out, but as Es said, I too have a hunch they'd have loved this.

The sisterhood was always the most important thing with the appeal of Classic Charmed. Looks like this isn't going to be important in this one anymore.

[gzv969]

I heard there’s a new “The Craft” movie remake in the works. Maybe that will end up being good.

www.google.com/amp/s/news.avclub.com/the-craft-remake-is-finally-happening-at-blumhouse-with-1833588591/amp

[Melinda Halliwell]

In Supernatural, there have been reoccurring female characters over the years and love interests too.

Here's a list of some of them.

www.thegamer.com/females-in-supernatural-thatll-turn-us-a-shade-of-ruby/

[cyma]

Mar 25, 2019 22:28:38 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

Charmed is conjuring up a fresh creative direction, thanks to some new people in charge behind the scenes.

The CW’s freshman reboot is switching showrunners for the upcoming Season 2, with married writing team Liz Kruger and Craig Shapiro (Salvation, Necessary Roughness) taking over for Season 1 boss Carter Covington (Faking It), according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Wait. Not only Jane the Virgin but Faking It people were involved in the reboot? And they did the family and drama or both well on their shows. So why does their work on Charmed reboot feels like they yanked things out of their asses like Kern did?

What happened here?

The switch signals a creative change for Charmed, which “is expected to lean harder into its supernatural storylines and less into the family dynamic” next season, per THR.

While it's better than the original Charmed leaning harder into sex, romance, glamour and silly costumes, what exactly does it mean to lean more toward supernatural storylines and less family dynamic?

The reboot has already been successfully doing that since the first episode with lack of sisterhood.

Of course if less family dynamic means elimination of family drama for side characters like Parker, Hunter, their Mom, their demon Dad or Galvin and his family problems or Fiona and Charity's problems, or Harry and his son or Jada and her parents, then please please nuke those family dynamics to hell.

If those kind of family dynamics had been introduced in season 1 of original Charmed, it would've been a mess.

Imagine, Billie and Christy and their drama in season 1 of Classic Charmed. Having Andy and his ex-wife be a season long thing. Having Darryl and his wife and children there too and their problems. Introducing Cole and his evil mother trying to kill the sisters and then Cole changing sides then somehow becoming the Source. Having Gideon there too. Having Leo deal with his past of World War and Rick and Nathan are there too.

Also throw in the introduction of Avatars and Elders and their fighting with each other. Titans are there as well. Zankuo trying to steal the Nexus also happens.

Oh yeah and kill Prue off in episode 1 of the pilot and introduce Paige. Introduce Richard as well and his ghost wife Olivia along with both of their living and dead relatives. 

Oh and how can I ever forget Magic School? Put that in as well. In fact, have Phoebe attend that instead of going back to normal college. Also get her a job as an advice columnist while she's doing a Magical degree and have her reach celebrity status. Introduce Phoebe's college friend and her boss Elise. Both of them would have their own family problems as well.

Ooh and Jason as well.

Also have Phoebe become possessed by the Woogy. Then later on suddenly become pregnant with Source's child and then later become Queen of the Underworld. Throw in Piper trying to conceive storyline. Have Leo becoming an Elder then later becoming a mortal and his conflict with neighbor Dan over Piper too. Have Leo also be frozen and taken away by the Angel of Destiny. 

And that wraps up season 1 of Charmed 

[CharmedFaith]

No surprise but it's been renewed for a 3rd season.

[Esmeralda]

Nope, not at all. Most The CW series get at least three seasons unless they really tank.

It will be interesting to see if they get a third. They might end up giving it 8 just to show it's as good as Classic Charmed.

I still don't think they would've gotten a second season if it wasn't called Charmed, proven by how different it is from the first season - like a whole different series.

[Assassin Witch]

It's moreso because it's CBS property and they don't have a lot of those on the CW, so pretty much if you're CBS-owned, you're renewed.

The media has died down. People don't seem to talk about it like they did when it was announced. So the "hype" of the reboot has died down, thankfully.

[ljones]

Mar 26, 2019 19:43:11 GMT -5 gzv969 said:

Wow!!

Lean harder into it’s supernatural story lines and less into the family dynamic?

Sound familiar? Looks like their following the same direction OG Charmed took. Only this time it took only one season to get there and not 3.

Why are you jumping to this conclusion without having seen Season 2? You know the score. You know how these production companies claim how they're going to change certain things and end up doing very little changes. Whatever changes will be made will happen overtime.

It will be interesting to see if they get a third. They might end up giving it 8 just to show it's as good as Classic Charmed.

I never thought "Classic Charmed' was a masterpiece to begin with, even if I found it entertaining. And after its third season, I think it simply declined.

[Julian]

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

Rose McGowan is setting the record straight on her Charmed reboot criticism.

The 47-year-old actress addressed Sarah Jeffery's viral tweets in a post shared to Instagram on Wednesday, Oct. 14.

Earlier this week, Jeffery, who plays Maggie Vera on the reboot, called out McGowan and Holly Marie Combs for the remarks they made about The CW series. In response to a video posted to social media—in which McGowan could be heard saying the show "sucks" and Combs could be seen laughing—the 24-year-old actress described the duo's actions as "pathetic," noting she hopes "they find happiness elsewhere, and not in the form of putting down other WOC."

But in her note posted to Instagram, McGowan claimed she "honestly had no idea" who Jeffery was until the tweet and noted she's "been too busy fighting monsters & fighting for a massive Cultural Reset to notice who's in the reboot."

"Absolutely nothing to do with race, that's quite a stretch you took," she continued. "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you are a great actress."

McGowan, who played Paige Matthews on the original series, then suggested her criticism was directed at the network and the show's leaders.

"My quibble (google it) is about execs & producers & @wb network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name," she wrote. "I do not care that they remade it, I have far bigger things I'm dealing with. I do not nor will I watch a show I disagree with on principle."

She also made it clear this was not her "ego trashing the reboot" and further explained her objection. As she wrote, "This is a criticism of creators (those are the ones who should be embarrassed) with little to no imagination making bank off of years of us busting our ass to create a legacy that you are actually profiting off of as well."

In addition, McGowan expressed her concern that the original fans weren't listened to and didn't get a say. "I care that Hollywood won't stop making remakes that don't need to be remade. It's a formula that's gone on for too long," she continued. "Mediocrity rules there, not just sociopaths. There's no soul or heart in something made purely for profit whilst refusing to elevate and innovate. Reboots will always be the shadow, the originals will always be the sun. I wish you well."

As for Combs, who played Piper Halliwell on the original Charmed, she also spoke out earlier this week. "That's some bulls--t. And a lot of it. Clearly," the 46-year-old actress tweeted. "People speaking, excuse me typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

She also later tweeted, "There's more important things happening in the world. Carry on."

Over the past few days, Jeffery has shared a few tweets, including a clip from The Wizard of Oz in which Glinda asks "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" She also seemingly referenced Combs' post by re-sharing a fan's tweet that read, "So wait a minute, you're going to start something, record it, make it public and then when you get called out for being wrong suddenly there are more important things in the world?"

Holly later has been under attack by an actor who has starred in both the new and old Charmed. Geoffrey Blake who appeared on the original series, and since went on to guest star on the reboot. He had this to say on the matter on twitter "As one of a very few actors who worked on both shows. I can tell you the current cast was far more welcoming and professional. Sensed no on set tension amongst the cast. My first day of shooting on the new show was my birthday and the cast and crew made me a cake! Be proud guys!"

He also backed up what was previously said by another actor who starred on the original series, Armin Shimerman.

He did however have good things to say about Alyssa Milano on twitter, "I would say however. Alyssa was ingratiating and a true pros pro. The work she is doing for social justice, women rights, and the democratic party is exemplary.  But not so good things about Holly "I can also say one of the actors in this video was rude, evasive, and very unprofessional."

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

[Esmeralda]

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

Rose McGowan is setting the record straight on her Charmed reboot criticism.

The 47-year-old actress addressed Sarah Jeffery's viral tweets in a post shared to Instagram on Wednesday, Oct. 14.

Earlier this week, Jeffery, who plays Maggie Vera on the reboot, called out McGowan and Holly Marie Combs for the remarks they made about The CW series. In response to a video posted to social media—in which McGowan could be heard saying the show "sucks" and Combs could be seen laughing—the 24-year-old actress described the duo's actions as "pathetic," noting she hopes "they find happiness elsewhere, and not in the form of putting down other WOC."

But in her note posted to Instagram, McGowan claimed she "honestly had no idea" who Jeffery was until the tweet and noted she's "been too busy fighting monsters & fighting for a massive Cultural Reset to notice who's in the reboot."

"Absolutely nothing to do with race, that's quite a stretch you took," she continued. "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you are a great actress."

McGowan, who played Paige Matthews on the original series, then suggested her criticism was directed at the network and the show's leaders.

"My quibble (google it) is about execs & producers & @wb network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name," she wrote. "I do not care that they remade it, I have far bigger things I'm dealing with. I do not nor will I watch a show I disagree with on principle."

She also made it clear this was not her "ego trashing the reboot" and further explained her objection. As she wrote, "This is a criticism of creators (those are the ones who should be embarrassed) with little to no imagination making bank off of years of us busting our ass to create a legacy that you are actually profiting off of as well."

In addition, McGowan expressed her concern that the original fans weren't listened to and didn't get a say. "I care that Hollywood won't stop making remakes that don't need to be remade. It's a formula that's gone on for too long," she continued. "Mediocrity rules there, not just sociopaths. There's no soul or heart in something made purely for profit whilst refusing to elevate and innovate. Reboots will always be the shadow, the originals will always be the sun. I wish you well."

As for Combs, who played Piper Halliwell on the original Charmed, she also spoke out earlier this week. "That's some bulls--t. And a lot of it. Clearly," the 46-year-old actress tweeted. "People speaking, excuse me typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

She also later tweeted, "There's more important things happening in the world. Carry on."

Over the past few days, Jeffery has shared a few tweets, including a clip from The Wizard of Oz in which Glinda asks "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" She also seemingly referenced Combs' post by re-sharing a fan's tweet that read, "So wait a minute, you're going to start something, record it, make it public and then when you get called out for being wrong suddenly there are more important things in the world?"

Holly later has been under attack by an actor who has starred in both the new and old Charmed. Geoffrey Blake who appeared on the original series, and since went on to guest star on the reboot. He had this to say on the matter on twitter "As one of a very few actors who worked on both shows. I can tell you the current cast was far more welcoming and professional. Sensed no on set tension amongst the cast. My first day of shooting on the new show was my birthday and the cast and crew made me a cake! Be proud guys!"

He also backed up what was previously said by another actor who starred on the original series, Armin Shimerman.

He did however have good things to say about Alyssa Milano on twitter, "I would say however. Alyssa was ingratiating and a true pros pro. The work she is doing for social justice, women rights, and the democratic party is exemplary.  But not so good things about Holly "I can also say one of the actors in this video was rude, evasive, and very unprofessional."

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

They're just jealous because their show isn't doing as well as Classic Charmed did, and are trying to use color as an excuse. Now I haven't watched a second of Rip-Off Charmed, nor will I ever. But from what I've heard, they've yet to do anything with their Hispanic heritage and the guys star a lot more than the women. Like I've said before, it seems more like Classic Charmed S4-8 than S1-3 where it's demon-hunters who happen to be related rather than sisters who happen to be witches.

[Assassin Witch]

Reading that article, I'm with Rose. 100%

And this new cast just loves going after the OG for every breath they take when anyone from actual Charmed even thinks about the new trash.

[Esmeralda]

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

Rose McGowan is setting the record straight on her Charmed reboot criticism.

The 47-year-old actress addressed Sarah Jeffery's viral tweets in a post shared to Instagram on Wednesday, Oct. 14.

Earlier this week, Jeffery, who plays Maggie Vera on the reboot, called out McGowan and Holly Marie Combs for the remarks they made about The CW series. In response to a video posted to social media—in which McGowan could be heard saying the show "sucks" and Combs could be seen laughing—the 24-year-old actress described the duo's actions as "pathetic," noting she hopes "they find happiness elsewhere, and not in the form of putting down other WOC."

But in her note posted to Instagram, McGowan claimed she "honestly had no idea" who Jeffery was until the tweet and noted she's "been too busy fighting monsters & fighting for a massive Cultural Reset to notice who's in the reboot."

"Absolutely nothing to do with race, that's quite a stretch you took," she continued. "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you are a great actress."

McGowan, who played Paige Matthews on the original series, then suggested her criticism was directed at the network and the show's leaders.

"My quibble (google it) is about execs & producers & @wb network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name," she wrote. "I do not care that they remade it, I have far bigger things I'm dealing with. I do not nor will I watch a show I disagree with on principle."

She also made it clear this was not her "ego trashing the reboot" and further explained her objection. As she wrote, "This is a criticism of creators (those are the ones who should be embarrassed) with little to no imagination making bank off of years of us busting our ass to create a legacy that you are actually profiting off of as well."

In addition, McGowan expressed her concern that the original fans weren't listened to and didn't get a say. "I care that Hollywood won't stop making remakes that don't need to be remade. It's a formula that's gone on for too long," she continued. "Mediocrity rules there, not just sociopaths. There's no soul or heart in something made purely for profit whilst refusing to elevate and innovate. Reboots will always be the shadow, the originals will always be the sun. I wish you well."

As for Combs, who played Piper Halliwell on the original Charmed, she also spoke out earlier this week. "That's some bulls--t. And a lot of it. Clearly," the 46-year-old actress tweeted. "People speaking, excuse me typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

She also later tweeted, "There's more important things happening in the world. Carry on."

Over the past few days, Jeffery has shared a few tweets, including a clip from The Wizard of Oz in which Glinda asks "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" She also seemingly referenced Combs' post by re-sharing a fan's tweet that read, "So wait a minute, you're going to start something, record it, make it public and then when you get called out for being wrong suddenly there are more important things in the world?"

Holly later has been under attack by an actor who has starred in both the new and old Charmed. Geoffrey Blake who appeared on the original series, and since went on to guest star on the reboot. He had this to say on the matter on twitter "As one of a very few actors who worked on both shows. I can tell you the current cast was far more welcoming and professional. Sensed no on set tension amongst the cast. My first day of shooting on the new show was my birthday and the cast and crew made me a cake! Be proud guys!"

He also backed up what was previously said by another actor who starred on the original series, Armin Shimerman.

He did however have good things to say about Alyssa Milano on twitter, "I would say however. Alyssa was ingratiating and a true pros pro. The work she is doing for social justice, women rights, and the democratic party is exemplary.  But not so good things about Holly "I can also say one of the actors in this video was rude, evasive, and very unprofessional."

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

No need to apologize - I'm sure most Classic Charmed fans agree with you totally.

[Too Much Coffee]

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

Rose McGowan is setting the record straight on her Charmed reboot criticism.

The 47-year-old actress addressed Sarah Jeffery's viral tweets in a post shared to Instagram on Wednesday, Oct. 14.

Earlier this week, Jeffery, who plays Maggie Vera on the reboot, called out McGowan and Holly Marie Combs for the remarks they made about The CW series. In response to a video posted to social media—in which McGowan could be heard saying the show "sucks" and Combs could be seen laughing—the 24-year-old actress described the duo's actions as "pathetic," noting she hopes "they find happiness elsewhere, and not in the form of putting down other WOC."

But in her note posted to Instagram, McGowan claimed she "honestly had no idea" who Jeffery was until the tweet and noted she's "been too busy fighting monsters & fighting for a massive Cultural Reset to notice who's in the reboot."

"Absolutely nothing to do with race, that's quite a stretch you took," she continued. "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you are a great actress."

McGowan, who played Paige Matthews on the original series, then suggested her criticism was directed at the network and the show's leaders.

"My quibble (google it) is about execs & producers & @wb network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name," she wrote. "I do not care that they remade it, I have far bigger things I'm dealing with. I do not nor will I watch a show I disagree with on principle."

She also made it clear this was not her "ego trashing the reboot" and further explained her objection. As she wrote, "This is a criticism of creators (those are the ones who should be embarrassed) with little to no imagination making bank off of years of us busting our ass to create a legacy that you are actually profiting off of as well."

In addition, McGowan expressed her concern that the original fans weren't listened to and didn't get a say. "I care that Hollywood won't stop making remakes that don't need to be remade. It's a formula that's gone on for too long," she continued. "Mediocrity rules there, not just sociopaths. There's no soul or heart in something made purely for profit whilst refusing to elevate and innovate. Reboots will always be the shadow, the originals will always be the sun. I wish you well."

As for Combs, who played Piper Halliwell on the original Charmed, she also spoke out earlier this week. "That's some bulls--t. And a lot of it. Clearly," the 46-year-old actress tweeted. "People speaking, excuse me typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

She also later tweeted, "There's more important things happening in the world. Carry on."

Over the past few days, Jeffery has shared a few tweets, including a clip from The Wizard of Oz in which Glinda asks "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" She also seemingly referenced Combs' post by re-sharing a fan's tweet that read, "So wait a minute, you're going to start something, record it, make it public and then when you get called out for being wrong suddenly there are more important things in the world?"

Holly later has been under attack by an actor who has starred in both the new and old Charmed. Geoffrey Blake who appeared on the original series, and since went on to guest star on the reboot. He had this to say on the matter on twitter "As one of a very few actors who worked on both shows. I can tell you the current cast was far more welcoming and professional. Sensed no on set tension amongst the cast. My first day of shooting on the new show was my birthday and the cast and crew made me a cake! Be proud guys!"

He also backed up what was previously said by another actor who starred on the original series, Armin Shimerman.

He did however have good things to say about Alyssa Milano on twitter, "I would say however. Alyssa was ingratiating and a true pros pro. The work she is doing for social justice, women rights, and the democratic party is exemplary.  But not so good things about Holly "I can also say one of the actors in this video was rude, evasive, and very unprofessional."

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

It's okay Julian, it's okay to rant. I feel the same way. 

I don't know why but Holly in particular is always getting trolled, attacked for every word she says in regards to the rip-off Charmed and the tabloid's keep running stories and painting her in a bad light. Holly didn't even say anything, she just laughed in the video where Rose stated she's happy that people have jobs, and her opinion won't mean anything, but it still sucks the show. 

I don't get why the actresses on the rip-off are making it out that the OG are racist and horrible people. It's horrible to accuse them of being racist, and spread false lies. They are just jealous, and using this as a reason to drum publicity onto their show which isn't doing so well, because they know the Classic Charmed series is more popular, they want people to turn on the Classic Charmed stars, wanting them to hate on them, stop liking them and stop watching Classic Charmed, and like their show.

[Maite Halliwell]

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

Rose McGowan is setting the record straight on her Charmed reboot criticism.

The 47-year-old actress addressed Sarah Jeffery's viral tweets in a post shared to Instagram on Wednesday, Oct. 14.

Earlier this week, Jeffery, who plays Maggie Vera on the reboot, called out McGowan and Holly Marie Combs for the remarks they made about The CW series. In response to a video posted to social media—in which McGowan could be heard saying the show "sucks" and Combs could be seen laughing—the 24-year-old actress described the duo's actions as "pathetic," noting she hopes "they find happiness elsewhere, and not in the form of putting down other WOC."

But in her note posted to Instagram, McGowan claimed she "honestly had no idea" who Jeffery was until the tweet and noted she's "been too busy fighting monsters & fighting for a massive Cultural Reset to notice who's in the reboot."

"Absolutely nothing to do with race, that's quite a stretch you took," she continued. "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you are a great actress."

McGowan, who played Paige Matthews on the original series, then suggested her criticism was directed at the network and the show's leaders.

"My quibble (google it) is about execs & producers & @wb network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name," she wrote. "I do not care that they remade it, I have far bigger things I'm dealing with. I do not nor will I watch a show I disagree with on principle."

She also made it clear this was not her "ego trashing the reboot" and further explained her objection. As she wrote, "This is a criticism of creators (those are the ones who should be embarrassed) with little to no imagination making bank off of years of us busting our ass to create a legacy that you are actually profiting off of as well."

In addition, McGowan expressed her concern that the original fans weren't listened to and didn't get a say. "I care that Hollywood won't stop making remakes that don't need to be remade. It's a formula that's gone on for too long," she continued. "Mediocrity rules there, not just sociopaths. There's no soul or heart in something made purely for profit whilst refusing to elevate and innovate. Reboots will always be the shadow, the originals will always be the sun. I wish you well."

As for Combs, who played Piper Halliwell on the original Charmed, she also spoke out earlier this week. "That's some bulls--t. And a lot of it. Clearly," the 46-year-old actress tweeted. "People speaking, excuse me typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

She also later tweeted, "There's more important things happening in the world. Carry on."

Over the past few days, Jeffery has shared a few tweets, including a clip from The Wizard of Oz in which Glinda asks "Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" She also seemingly referenced Combs' post by re-sharing a fan's tweet that read, "So wait a minute, you're going to start something, record it, make it public and then when you get called out for being wrong suddenly there are more important things in the world?"

Holly later has been under attack by an actor who has starred in both the new and old Charmed. Geoffrey Blake who appeared on the original series, and since went on to guest star on the reboot. He had this to say on the matter on twitter "As one of a very few actors who worked on both shows. I can tell you the current cast was far more welcoming and professional. Sensed no on set tension amongst the cast. My first day of shooting on the new show was my birthday and the cast and crew made me a cake! Be proud guys!"

He also backed up what was previously said by another actor who starred on the original series, Armin Shimerman.

He did however have good things to say about Alyssa Milano on twitter, "I would say however. Alyssa was ingratiating and a true pros pro. The work she is doing for social justice, women rights, and the democratic party is exemplary.  But not so good things about Holly "I can also say one of the actors in this video was rude, evasive, and very unprofessional."

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

This!! I'm getting so annoyed by the comments they are getting because just because producers cast poc does NOT automatically make it good. Honestly I consider it an insult, and while I understand why the actors decided to be in it-- POC generally do have to lower their standards even more than other budding actors in Hollywood-- I lost all respect from them, because if they were doing it merely for a paycheck, and that they recognised all the points other fans and the old cast have mentioned, then they would not be behaving like this. And it annoys me more, because POC unfortunately tend to represent all POC with their actions-- even though that is wrong-- so I worry about that, and also because they're potentially turning people against good allies.

And I'm glad you mentioned how she's not Latina-- I was going to mention that it the other thread but decided against it as it wasn't the place, but this is. For all they talk about diversity, it does really upset me that they're not all Latina, despite playing Latinas, because it just helps perpetuate that all POC are replaceable, that we all look the same when we do not, and even if we do, we are not the same. I'm happy that POC, especially WOC, are getting employed by Charmed was a revolutionary show in itself and despite what they like to argue, contributed to how society evolved, which helped bring about their show.

Also, Charmed had producers and executives who, quite clearly, didn't ever really care about the show, just saw it as something to make them money, and despite what we can say about Holly's and Alyssa's influence on the show (good or bad), all of them clearly put a lot of effort and time into the show, and they were already burnt by the show (how they were treated, mainly talking about Shannen and Rose here) and then they see this reboot that's profiting of their pain and effort, and that the new actors doesn't even respect the show's roots.

And who cares if the cast is nicer-- what matters is the writing, and more importantly, the writer's intentions at the end of the day. Yes, in niceness potential the new cast could win, but frankly I don't care about that. If they were horrible and filled with drama (which depending how the actors are I can't exactly believe it's not...) and the original wasn't, that wouldn't even be brought up as a point, and if it was, it would be dismissed as something valid to add to the argument.

Lastly, I hate that POC have to be advocates, that we have to fight, that it's not easy, it's exhausting having to call out people... But that's not the case for this actor, because there's nothing to call out, which is something I really hate, because then it can come off as petty, and when there's real, fully supported evidence, it's just seen as "oh another POC making a dramatic fuss". Yes, at the moment it seems like a lot of people on social media is going against Holly and Rose, but the people who aren't, but are fans of the original Charmed, may very well develop a wrong impression about call outs, and that's why seeing this drama really annoys me because yes, she shouldn't have to assess her actions more just because she's a WOC in the spotlight, but at the same time, she choose to be an actor, she choose to speak out, and so she should critically think about the whole situation because she doesn't speak just for herself anymore.

(Just like to point out, I know everyone on here is nice people, so I'm not saying any of you would develop the wrong stance because o this drama, just that it's a risk. I don't think anyone would mistake my words, but I wanted to make sure because all of you have been so nice!)

[ljones]

I'm sorry, but I don't feel the same way. I'm not accusing Holly Marie Combs and Rose McGowan of racism, but this is getting out of hand. The new series has been on the air for two seasons now. What on earth do Combs and McGowan hope to accomplish? Have the show removed so that they can continue the old one? They want the show runners to consult with them? What the hell for? It's not their show. Even the old series was never really theirs. They were producers in name only. Their bashing is getting out of hand and I've been aware of it for quite some time. The longer they continue, the more people are going to wonder whether or not racism is behind their rants. Or mere jealousy.