Charmed CW Reboot Ordered to Pilot: Attempt Number 3

[Julian]

Oct 15, 2020 19:57:07 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

They're just jealous because their show isn't doing as well as Classic Charmed did, and are trying to use color as an excuse. Now I haven't watched a second of Rip-Off Charmed, nor will I ever. But from what I've heard, they've yet to do anything with their Hispanic heritage and the guys star a lot more than the women. Like I've said before, it seems more like Classic Charmed S4-8 than S1-3 where it's demon-hunters who happen to be related rather than sisters who happen to be witches.

Exactly Esmeralda.

They haven't done anything with them, its just a tick a box for diversity without doing anything more with it.

The first two seasons haven't done anything from S1-S3, the first few episodes of season 4 felt very Charmed Season 4 right down to battling the Source in the first season. 

Oct 15, 2020 21:00:43 GMT -5 Assassin Witch said:

Reading that article, I'm with Rose. 100%

And this new cast just loves going after the OG for every breath they take when anyone from actual Charmed even thinks about the new trash.

Me too. This is really getting out of control, and the new cast just keeps liking and retweeting every article that paints the OG's in a bad light. 

I haven't forgotten that the new cast liked tweets calling the OG cast old and a number of negative things about them before their series even aired. So they are not so innocent.

Oct 15, 2020 21:19:37 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

No need to apologize - I'm sure most Classic Charmed fans agree with you totally.

thumbs up!

Oct 16, 2020 7:16:00 GMT -5 Too Much Coffee said:

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

It's okay Julian, it's okay to rant. I feel the same way. 

I don't know why but Holly in particular is always getting trolled, attacked for every word she says in regards to the rip-off Charmed and the tabloid's keep running stories and painting her in a bad light. Holly didn't even say anything, she just laughed in the video where Rose stated she's happy that people have jobs, and her opinion won't mean anything, but it still sucks the show. 

I don't get why the actresses on the rip-off are making it out that the OG are racist and horrible people. It's horrible to accuse them of being racist, and spread false lies. They are just jealous, and using this as a reason to drum publicity onto their show which isn't doing so well, because they know the Classic Charmed series is more popular, they want people to turn on the Classic Charmed stars, wanting them to hate on them, stop liking them and stop watching Classic Charmed, and like their show.

Thanks Too Much Coffee.

Me either, this is just getting so out of control, and the articles keep on coming in, and all I see if trashing Holly and Rose.

[Esmeralda]

What surprised me so much was finding this today:

Shannen Doherty weighs in on the Charmed feud: 'What's old is new'
Entertainment Weekly
Rosy Cordero
Entertainment Weekly•October 15, 2020

Shannen Doherty is throwing in her support for the Charmed reboot amid an online feud between current series star Sarah Jeffery and original stars Rose McGowan and Holly Marie Combs.

Jeffery slammed both McGowan and Combs on Monday in response to a video they posted on social media in which McGowan said the reboot "sucks" while Combs laughed in the background. McGowan also said in the video that she's never seen the new show, which stars Jeffery, Melonie Diaz, and Madeleine Mantock as a new generation of magical siblings.

"What’s old is new… and I think it’s wonderful a new generation can connect with three strong, powerful women, not to mention the many jobs the show provides," Doherty tells EW exclusively.

Doherty, who costarred with Combs in the original Charmed and was replaced by McGowan (playing a new character) after three seasons, has backed the reboot since its early days. When the new show was announced, she wrote on social media, "I'm intrigued by the idea that a new generation might be comforted, inspired like you all were. Charmed helped us all in some way."

Jeffery previously expressed her appreciation for Doherty on Tuesday, sharing a photo of her on set meeting her dad.

"In other news, my dad met the lovely @dohertyshannen onset once whilst standing in," she said via Twitter. "He approached her saying his daughter was a new Charmed one (pre-covid!). He told me she was so kind, thrilled for us, and excited to take a picture. She sent her love."

Jeffery tweeted that she found it "sad and quite frankly pathetic" seeing "grown women behave this way" in response to McGowan and Combs' video. She also wrote, "It really doesn’t sit right with me that white women from the OG charmed consistently put down a new #Charmed with a POC cast.. you hate to see it..."

McGowan later responded, "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well-paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you're a great actress." She added that her "quibble" is "about execs & producers & WB network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name."

Combs also fired back on social media, writing, "That's some bulls---. And a lot of it. Clearly. People speaking, excuse me, typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

Alyssa Milano, who also starred in the original Charmed, has weighed in on the reboot as well.

“I wish that they would have come to us and we would have been involved since the beginning,” Milano said in 2018. “But having said that, I do hope that it reaches the newer generation and impacts that generation the way ours was able to do for its generation.”

[Julian]

Oct 16, 2020 7:55:19 GMT -5 Maite Halliwell said:

Oct 15, 2020 19:31:37 GMT -5 Julian said:

Holly and Rose have gotten under fire from the reboot actresses for being racist. I'm just so shocked, that people are making it like Holly is a horrible person. Why is she always getting crapped on.

I decided to post this here, since it's more about the reboot, and didn't want to post these in the Charmed General board.

I get why the reboot cast is annoyed by the OG cast, but Sarah Jeffery is no victim, since she has started spreading that Holly and Rose said racist remarks, just that Rose NOT Holly said the reboot sucked, but she is happy that people have jobs. Holly only laughed, yet she is getting so much hate on social media.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse, when from what I watched, they didn't even explore that Latina culture at all, and why isn't she addressing that the show is being produced by still white men and women, and still killing off POC characters, and the cast is still filled with white characters, apart from the sisters.

I'm just so sick of the reboot actresses trying to create false racist remarks, just because they have an opinion that the show sucks, and they didn't even bring racism into it, the reboot actors are making it about an attack at POC, when that isn't what they said.

And why is poor Holly suddenly getting so much hate. Why are former actors coming at her twenty years later saying she is a bitch. I don't get it. 

Sorry for my rant, I've just been upset today, when I saw all of this online, and needed to vent. 

This!! I'm getting so annoyed by the comments they are getting because just because producers cast poc does NOT automatically make it good. Honestly I consider it an insult, and while I understand why the actors decided to be in it-- POC generally do have to lower their standards even more than other budding actors in Hollywood-- I lost all respect from them, because if they were doing it merely for a paycheck, and that they recognised all the points other fans and the old cast have mentioned, then they would not be behaving like this. And it annoys me more, because POC unfortunately tend to represent all POC with their actions-- even though that is wrong-- so I worry about that, and also because they're potentially turning people against good allies.

Me too. I wonder if they are using it to just make people turn on the OG cast and show, and want to check out their show, saying theirs is better because they have a nicer cast and are more diverse.

The new cast continues to tweet and retweet every article (even if some of it doesn't even make sense) and trying to turn people against the OG's.

And I'm glad you mentioned how she's not Latina-- I was going to mention that it the other thread but decided against it as it wasn't the place, but this is. For all they talk about diversity, it does really upset me that they're not all Latina, despite playing Latinas, because it just helps perpetuate that all POC are replaceable, that we all look the same when we do not, and even if we do, we are not the same. I'm happy that POC, especially WOC, are getting employed by Charmed was a revolutionary show in itself and despite what they like to argue, contributed to how society evolved, which helped bring about their show.

That's alright, I also didn't want to go deeper into it in the other thread, and felt it was better for me to reply here to you, and not make that thread about the reboot.

I find it rather sad that they are truly not representing what they claim and want people to think. And the reboot isn't even focusing on Latinas at all in their backstory. I don't think they have even shown anyone but their mother and zero about their Melinda Warren and their Latina ancestors.

And who cares if the cast is nicer-- what matters is the writing, and more importantly, the writer's intentions at the end of the day. Yes, in niceness potential the new cast could win, but frankly I don't care about that. If they were horrible and filled with drama (which depending how the actors are I can't exactly believe it's not...) and the original wasn't, that wouldn't even be brought up as a point, and if it was, it would be dismissed as something valid to add to the argument.

Lastly, I hate that POC have to be advocates, that we have to fight, that it's not easy, it's exhausting having to call out people... But that's not the case for this actor, because there's nothing to call out, which is something I really hate, because then it can come off as petty, and when there's real, fully supported evidence, it's just seen as "oh another POC making a dramatic fuss". Yes, at the moment it seems like a lot of people on social media is going against Holly and Rose, but the people who aren't, but are fans of the original Charmed, may very well develop a wrong impression about call outs, and that's why seeing this drama really annoys me because yes, she shouldn't have to assess her actions more just because she's a WOC in the spotlight, but at the same time, she choose to be an actor, she choose to speak out, and so she should critically think about the whole situation because she doesn't speak just for herself anymore.

Yeah, the behind the scenes stuff doesn't really affect us viewers, we're more interested in the content and what were watching, so it doesn't have an impact on us. Most don't even read into all the behind the scenes stuff and just watch.

(Just like to point out, I know everyone on here is nice people, so I'm not saying any of you would develop the wrong stance because o this drama, just that it's a risk. I don't think anyone would mistake my words, but I wanted to make sure because all of you have been so nice!)

I sure didn't I enjoyed reading your reply. As you brought up lots of good points.

[Julian]

Oct 16, 2020 19:56:04 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

What surprised me so much was finding this today:

Shannen Doherty weighs in on the Charmed feud: 'What's old is new'
Entertainment Weekly
Rosy Cordero
Entertainment Weekly•October 15, 2020

Shannen Doherty is throwing in her support for the Charmed reboot amid an online feud between current series star Sarah Jeffery and original stars Rose McGowan and Holly Marie Combs.

Jeffery slammed both McGowan and Combs on Monday in response to a video they posted on social media in which McGowan said the reboot "sucks" while Combs laughed in the background. McGowan also said in the video that she's never seen the new show, which stars Jeffery, Melonie Diaz, and Madeleine Mantock as a new generation of magical siblings.

"What’s old is new… and I think it’s wonderful a new generation can connect with three strong, powerful women, not to mention the many jobs the show provides," Doherty tells EW exclusively.

Doherty, who costarred with Combs in the original Charmed and was replaced by McGowan (playing a new character) after three seasons, has backed the reboot since its early days. When the new show was announced, she wrote on social media, "I'm intrigued by the idea that a new generation might be comforted, inspired like you all were. Charmed helped us all in some way."

Jeffery previously expressed her appreciation for Doherty on Tuesday, sharing a photo of her on set meeting her dad.

"In other news, my dad met the lovely @dohertyshannen onset once whilst standing in," she said via Twitter. "He approached her saying his daughter was a new Charmed one (pre-covid!). He told me she was so kind, thrilled for us, and excited to take a picture. She sent her love."

Jeffery tweeted that she found it "sad and quite frankly pathetic" seeing "grown women behave this way" in response to McGowan and Combs' video. She also wrote, "It really doesn’t sit right with me that white women from the OG charmed consistently put down a new #Charmed with a POC cast.. you hate to see it..."

McGowan later responded, "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well-paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you're a great actress." She added that her "quibble" is "about execs & producers & WB network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name."

Combs also fired back on social media, writing, "That's some bulls---. And a lot of it. Clearly. People speaking, excuse me, typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

Alyssa Milano, who also starred in the original Charmed, has weighed in on the reboot as well.

“I wish that they would have come to us and we would have been involved since the beginning,” Milano said in 2018. “But having said that, I do hope that it reaches the newer generation and impacts that generation the way ours was able to do for its generation.”

Seems Shannen and Alyssa have a different opinion than Rose and Holly.

Cancer has really changed Shannen it seems, she is all about being positive and saying nice things about everything. 

I wonder if she truly feels this way, or is just not wanting to go down the path where she was trashed by the tabloids like in the 90s. So she is keeping out of it, or dying from cancer, she doesn't care about talking negative about something, and has other things to worry about. 

But, seems like she doesn't support Holly or Rose at all (although she didn't address them at all in this article). Although maybe she is keeping out of the drama as Alyssa has said nothing about it at all. And doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

Seems like the complete opposite these days, back in the 90s Shannen got all the hate, now it's Holly who continues to get the tabloids and media out to get her for everything she says and does, this has happened so often in the past three years. I'm sick of it really.

What upsets me more, is Charmed is only brought into the spotlight when its something bad. It's always trending on social media when we have drama. I'm so sick of it, this whole year I haven't seen a single positive article about Charmed.

[Too Much Coffee]

Oct 16, 2020 20:26:20 GMT -5 Julian said:

Oct 16, 2020 19:56:04 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

What surprised me so much was finding this today:

Shannen Doherty weighs in on the Charmed feud: 'What's old is new'
Entertainment Weekly
Rosy Cordero
Entertainment Weekly•October 15, 2020

Shannen Doherty is throwing in her support for the Charmed reboot amid an online feud between current series star Sarah Jeffery and original stars Rose McGowan and Holly Marie Combs.

Jeffery slammed both McGowan and Combs on Monday in response to a video they posted on social media in which McGowan said the reboot "sucks" while Combs laughed in the background. McGowan also said in the video that she's never seen the new show, which stars Jeffery, Melonie Diaz, and Madeleine Mantock as a new generation of magical siblings.

"What’s old is new… and I think it’s wonderful a new generation can connect with three strong, powerful women, not to mention the many jobs the show provides," Doherty tells EW exclusively.

Doherty, who costarred with Combs in the original Charmed and was replaced by McGowan (playing a new character) after three seasons, has backed the reboot since its early days. When the new show was announced, she wrote on social media, "I'm intrigued by the idea that a new generation might be comforted, inspired like you all were. Charmed helped us all in some way."

Jeffery previously expressed her appreciation for Doherty on Tuesday, sharing a photo of her on set meeting her dad.

"In other news, my dad met the lovely @dohertyshannen onset once whilst standing in," she said via Twitter. "He approached her saying his daughter was a new Charmed one (pre-covid!). He told me she was so kind, thrilled for us, and excited to take a picture. She sent her love."

Jeffery tweeted that she found it "sad and quite frankly pathetic" seeing "grown women behave this way" in response to McGowan and Combs' video. She also wrote, "It really doesn’t sit right with me that white women from the OG charmed consistently put down a new #Charmed with a POC cast.. you hate to see it..."

McGowan later responded, "I'm beyond glad any WOC has a well-paying job. Hell yes to that. I'm sure you're a great actress." She added that her "quibble" is "about execs & producers & WB network trading on years of my work & name in such a cynical & obvious way—a money grab to cash in on the Charmed name."

Combs also fired back on social media, writing, "That's some bulls---. And a lot of it. Clearly. People speaking, excuse me, typing, derogatory accusations of a person's character despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary because of a difference in opinions about a tv show is just plain wrong. And also personal gain honey."

Alyssa Milano, who also starred in the original Charmed, has weighed in on the reboot as well.

“I wish that they would have come to us and we would have been involved since the beginning,” Milano said in 2018. “But having said that, I do hope that it reaches the newer generation and impacts that generation the way ours was able to do for its generation.”

Seems Shannen and Alyssa have a different opinion than Rose and Holly.

Cancer has really changed Shannen it seems, she is all about being positive and saying nice things about everything. 

I wonder if she truly feels this way, or is just not wanting to go down the path where she was trashed by the tabloids like in the 90s. So she is keeping out of it, or dying from cancer, she doesn't care about talking negative about something, and has other things to worry about. 

But, seems like she doesn't support Holly or Rose at all (although she didn't address them at all in this article). Although maybe she is keeping out of the drama as Alyssa has said nothing about it at all. And doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

Seems like the complete opposite these days, back in the 90s Shannen got all the hate, now it's Holly who continues to get the tabloids and media out to get her for everything she says and does, this has happened so often in the past three years. I'm sick of it really.

What upsets me more, is Charmed is only brought into the spotlight when its something bad. It's always trending on social media when we have drama. I'm so sick of it, this whole year I haven't seen a single positive article about Charmed.

Shannen and even Alyssa haven't come to support or back up Rose or Holly at all, and gone silent on what they have said completely. Maybe, they just don't want to get dragged in, if they say the wrong thing. 

Both are known to say what people want to hear, and never how they truly feel. 

But, Julian, you are right, this year, all they are trying to do is paint Holly as a horrible person, and time and time again, she is forced to defend herself, and that isn't enough, they'll keep on making her out to be a nasty person. 

[Assassin Witch]

Shannen appeared in the 90210 spin off, so I can see that rebooting shows isn't a big deal to her.


I dont think OG fans are suddenly going to check out the new show because two of own girls said something against it and we don't support them no more.

This, and I mean Sarah's constant trashing of our girls, will keep OG fans hating and bashing the new show.

Everytime I hear something from the new show bashing something or someone from Charmed, I rage.

[Esmeralda]

Oct 17, 2020 11:39:58 GMT -5 Assassin Witch said:

Shannen appeared in the 90210 spin off, so I can see that rebooting shows isn't a big deal to her.


I dont think OG fans are suddenly going to check out the new show because two of own girls said something against it and we don't support them no more.

This, and I mean Sarah's constant trashing of our girls, will keep OG fans hating and bashing the new show.

Everytime I hear something from the new show bashing something or someone from Charmed, I rage.

I don't rage. I just shrug and move on. I don't think what they say is worth our attention. What we've done here and now is more than enough. I just ignore them and continue to love Classic Charmed, knowing that their show will never be counted as that - 20 years from now I'd be surprised if any fan knows there WAS such thing as a Charmed rip-off, while they'll still know about Classic Charmed. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cafe is having a 40th Anniversary Re-watch even if I'll probably be long gone by then - I don't think I'll make 107!

That's all that matters to me.

But that's interesting. Had the Charmed stars been allowed to guest star on the rip-off the way Shannen was allowed to guest star on the 90210 spin-off, the way we let Shannen and Alyssa guest star in our "Elemental Charmed", playing our veraion of Melinda Warren and her sister, I wonder if we'd still be seeing all of this hate.

[ljones]

This is stupid. I'm siding with Shannen Doherty and Alyssa Milano on this. This rage against the second "CHARMED" series is just dumb to me. Let's be frank . . . shall we? Neither the old or new versions are or were great television. I hope that this latest publicity regarding the franchise will finally end this feud, because I find it infantile.

[Maite Halliwell]

Oct 16, 2020 20:12:07 GMT -5 Julian said:

Oct 16, 2020 7:55:19 GMT -5 Maite Halliwell said:

This!! I'm getting so annoyed by the comments they are getting because just because producers cast poc does NOT automatically make it good. Honestly I consider it an insult, and while I understand why the actors decided to be in it-- POC generally do have to lower their standards even more than other budding actors in Hollywood-- I lost all respect from them, because if they were doing it merely for a paycheck, and that they recognised all the points other fans and the old cast have mentioned, then they would not be behaving like this. And it annoys me more, because POC unfortunately tend to represent all POC with their actions-- even though that is wrong-- so I worry about that, and also because they're potentially turning people against good allies.

Me too. I wonder if they are using it to just make people turn on the OG cast and show, and want to check out their show, saying theirs is better because they have a nicer cast and are more diverse.

The new cast continues to tweet and retweet every article (even if some of it doesn't even make sense) and trying to turn people against the OG's.

And I'm glad you mentioned how she's not Latina-- I was going to mention that it the other thread but decided against it as it wasn't the place, but this is. For all they talk about diversity, it does really upset me that they're not all Latina, despite playing Latinas, because it just helps perpetuate that all POC are replaceable, that we all look the same when we do not, and even if we do, we are not the same. I'm happy that POC, especially WOC, are getting employed by Charmed was a revolutionary show in itself and despite what they like to argue, contributed to how society evolved, which helped bring about their show.

That's alright, I also didn't want to go deeper into it in the other thread, and felt it was better for me to reply here to you, and not make that thread about the reboot.

I find it rather sad that they are truly not representing what they claim and want people to think. And the reboot isn't even focusing on Latinas at all in their backstory. I don't think they have even shown anyone but their mother and zero about their Melinda Warren and their Latina ancestors.

And who cares if the cast is nicer-- what matters is the writing, and more importantly, the writer's intentions at the end of the day. Yes, in niceness potential the new cast could win, but frankly I don't care about that. If they were horrible and filled with drama (which depending how the actors are I can't exactly believe it's not...) and the original wasn't, that wouldn't even be brought up as a point, and if it was, it would be dismissed as something valid to add to the argument.

Lastly, I hate that POC have to be advocates, that we have to fight, that it's not easy, it's exhausting having to call out people... But that's not the case for this actor, because there's nothing to call out, which is something I really hate, because then it can come off as petty, and when there's real, fully supported evidence, it's just seen as "oh another POC making a dramatic fuss". Yes, at the moment it seems like a lot of people on social media is going against Holly and Rose, but the people who aren't, but are fans of the original Charmed, may very well develop a wrong impression about call outs, and that's why seeing this drama really annoys me because yes, she shouldn't have to assess her actions more just because she's a WOC in the spotlight, but at the same time, she choose to be an actor, she choose to speak out, and so she should critically think about the whole situation because she doesn't speak just for herself anymore.

Yeah, the behind the scenes stuff doesn't really affect us viewers, we're more interested in the content and what were watching, so it doesn't have an impact on us. Most don't even read into all the behind the scenes stuff and just watch.

(Just like to point out, I know everyone on here is nice people, so I'm not saying any of you would develop the wrong stance because o this drama, just that it's a risk. I don't think anyone would mistake my words, but I wanted to make sure because all of you have been so nice!)

I sure didn't I enjoyed reading your reply. As you brought up lots of good points.

Yeah, I'm almost 100% certain that they're doing it only to turn the people of the OG cast and get more people to watch their show. Especially because how they're going about it, how it started... It also feels as a preventive method: rebooting a show and making it more diverse is always a risk, because if you act appropriately respectful of the original, but the added diversity adds basically nothing but making it look different, then more people are going to be critical of it, but if you drag the original through the dirt, especially if the people involved in the original are very vocal, then there's a higher chance that people will ignore how the diversity is just a tick in a box, may not even think critically about it, because oh even if it's terrible, at least it's better than the original. 

I'm not saying that the actors of the reboot doesn't necessarily believe in what she's saying, it's quite likely that she does, but do I believe that the people behind the scenes aren't endorsing her actions because it helps them get views-- absolutely not.

I do think they feel threatened that the original Charmed was, despite all it's flaws especially later on, a feminist show in it's own right. And if the executives know that they're not going to out too much effort into it, for it to stand on it's own and out of the shadow of the original Charmed, they have to work their press. Which is kinda flawed because the more you try to compare the two shows, the more people are going to link them.

And ah, I see we thought the same haha. And yeah, it's better to say it here, rather than derailing the other post. And it really is sad that they're not really representing what they claim, especially as they don't focus on the Latina aspect. I hate hate hate when shows cast diverse actors and then just make them the lite version of white people. Because that's what they feel like, when there's no exploration of the cultural differences, especially in a show like this, because other than how they look there's nothing that sets them apart. And it's sad that all they're saying about how great it's diverse, they're ignoring the fact the people in charge are still catering more to white people-- because that's what it comes down to. They've deemed it too big of a risk to alienate ignorant white people, who like to claim they're progressive, that it's too risky for them to not know that if there's a lot of stuff they can't "relate" to (which is stupid, because empathy), that they'll stop watching. It's the same when things make supposedly women centric full of men or make the "powerful women" just essentially be men lite.

And I'm glad you enjoyed reading my reply, I've enjoyed reading yours. It's good to see other people's opinions and it's not just my mind getting away from me (I'm way too highly strung about racial issues, sometimes it feels as if I'm overreacting).

[ljones]

I do think they feel threatened that the original Charmed was, despite all it's flaws especially later on, a feminist show in it's own right.

No it wasn't. The original "CHARMED" just pretended to be. That's how flawed it was. The new series isn't any better.

“I wish that they would have come to us and we would have been involved since the beginning,” Milano said in 2018.

What the hell? What on earth made Milano think the show runners or the cast of the new series should have come to the old cast first? What on earth put this dumb idea into her head?

And why are so many of you complaining about women of color being cast in the leads for this show? Is that really a problem? Let's be frank, shall we? Hollywood has a poor history of using people of color in television. They're either regulated to supporting roles or if they're the leads, it's usually in a comedy sitcom. There are a few exceptions. The producers had decided to have women of color as the leads of the new "CHARMED" series in an effort to seem "progressive". Did they succeed? I don't know. I rather doubt it. But I will give them points for trying. But the "progressiveness" in the original "CHARMED" series really sucked. Not even Dorian Gregory's casting could overcome that.

And Sarah Jeffery isn't even Latino at all, and playing a Latina role, and the show is not diverse

Maggie Vera is a character that is part Latina and part African-American. The actress Sarah Jeffrey is not Latina, as far as I know. She does have indigenous ancestry (which a good number of Latinos do) and African-American ancestry.

[ryang]

I'm generally not a fan of the verbal volley between casts. I'll side with Shannen and Alyssa here and just let the show do it's thing. "If you have nothing nice to say..."

I'll side with Holly and Rose's point, too. I wish Holly and Alyssa were consulted as full-time actresses and producers of the show.

Each version has aspects they incorporate better than the other.

The new Charmed has done plenty of nods to the original in its way when it's clear the original cast wasn't invited to be a part of it, it was never the actors' fault.

The OG Charmed - loved by us all - was never excellent nor far from perfect. I love reading these threads but these are often about how imperfect that show was. On the note of feminism, OG Charmed was progressively awful at that - depending on the season and the feminist perspective.

[ljones]

I'll side with Holly and Rose's point, too. I wish Holly and Alyssa were consulted as full-time actresses and producers of the show.

Why? WHY? That doesn't make any sense. Holly and Rose were not show runners or creators of the series. They were producers in name only. There was NO reason for the producers of this reboot to "consult" them. I'm sorry, but there wasn't any reason.

[Assassin Witch]

Yeah, there's a difference between a reboot (whoever owns the rights - CBS - can do what they want) vs a continuation (like "Will & Grace").

[Too Much Coffee]

I don't watch the reboot, but for those who do, might find these interesting. One of my friends back home in NYC watches the reboot, talked in our last zoom call, and kept going on about how the third season might be good and bring back some of the roots that made the show good.

So, going to post this here.

Season 3 - Spoilery Snippets 

And while we here at SpoilerTV won't spoil on how the season 2 story will unfold, here are some spoilery snippets about what we can expect a bit further into the new season.

- As teased in the official CW Press Release the show is getting back to some season 1 basics. Maggie's return to College will prove more difficult than expected, while she has her new power fairly under control that doesn't mean her panic attacks are conquered as well.

Courtesy of @soycarlosrubio
- Jason Diaz's Antonio early on checks off some Jock-stereotypes and pushes some buttons that shouldn't be pressed.

- Mel's return to activism proves to be challenging as well. Her sense of justice and new job make her crossroads with Kevin (JJ Hawkins) and they both help each other in unexpected ways.

- After 2 years the writers are finally expanding the Vera witchy family tree. For now the sisters will just meet one of their cousins, potentially more family members to come. The introduction of the said family member goes anything but smooth so the real question lingering is can we trust the new family member?

- Something the sisters unexpectedly lost last season finally makes a return (Likely The Book of Shadows), fans of the show will certainly be pleased. Mel as usually comes through for us.

That's a wrap, guys. Not much but hopefully enough to keep you intrigued, till the show's season 3 premiere. Tune in live on the 24th January at 9/8 Central on TheCW or stream live the next day on the CWApp.

[Astral Echo]

Not going to lie, this doesn't sound good. More new recurring characters and love interests is really starting to lose all appeal. I would much prefer they bring back Nico for Mel and keep Maggie single.

Getting the Book back, fine. Maggie returning to college, sure. And a cousin sounds interesting enough. But going back to Season One isn't necessarily the right move. I'd be happy enough to see them settle in Seattle and have Maggie go to college there but avoid to the college setting all together (much like Phoebe) as those stories all had a teeny-bopper/teen drama feel that I hated.