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Post by CharmedFaith on Jul 20, 2018 17:56:40 GMT -5
I think the show will fail if they try to hard to be an afternoon special. Those kinds of episodes nearly always fail for me and just arent popular in general so I hope they dont go to hard at it.
But I am laughing at how much damage control they are doing in interviews. Now everyone on the show has watched the OG Charmed, they all love the OG Charmed, the actresses have watched the show (though I couldve sworn they said they'd never seen it). Where was all of this admiration when news of the reboot first came about?
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Jul 20, 2018 18:03:41 GMT -5
Currently on vacation. I attended Comic Con. So I had to make a stop to the Charmed Cafe to report on my experience. Beware Spoilers about pilot at Comic Con
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The pilot begins with showing us Mel and Maggie. We learn Mel is an outspoken feminist and graduate student, while Maggie is a freshman who’s hanging with sorority girls at which is basically an Iraq War-themed rush party. We learn their mother, is a women’s studies professor at the local university, is sad because the school may reinstate a professor who had been suspended after being accused of sexual assault from a now-comatose student. After some typical exposition where their mother basically says her goodbyes and we know she's dying right after. She is attacked by a bunch of crows and rolling fog. Which felt so typical and a little cringe worthy for me. She manages to cast a spell to unbind her daughters’ powers before plunging to her death outside their home. We cut three months later. Mel has become obsessed with her mother’s death and finishing the work she started, hoping to raise public awareness with a protest against the accused professor who’s now back at his old job. Mel and her girlfriend have split up. Maggie is so desperate to join her sorority. Macy is introduced, she is a scientist who’s recently moved into town to work at the university’s lab. So all three sisters are involved with the college campus in some way. When she steps in front of the sister's home, she realizes she has been there before. Later that night, Macy goes to confront the sisters with the shocking truth that she’s probably their half-sister, showing a picture of her as a baby with their mother in front of the house. At the exact moment Macy steps through the doorway, a lightning strike kills the electricity, a sign that their powers have been reborn. The three sisters have trouble accepting this possible truth, get angry, and all go their separate ways. It's here that each learn about their powers. Macy teleports objects, Mel freezes time, and Maggie hears people’s thoughts when she touches them, or they touch her. Enter Harry. This is the work of Harry the new women’s studies professor and (surprise!) their Whitelighter. He has been dead for over half a century who has the powers of healing an teleportation. I liked Harry and it is already more interesting than Leo. It appears he may not to be trusted as the mother via the spirit board says this to her daughters in the cliffhanger. It appears he's based off Leo but also Chris in the mystery of not trusting their whitelighter. Possibly he could be the big bad or maybe the elder sisters father. Some of the people sitting beside me responded very well to Harry and Macy the most. I have high hopes Harry possibly could be a much more improved Leo and he doesn't become the punchbag he was in Classic Charmed. If the reaction to him is positive so far from people sitting near me, Leo has competition for sure. The Source of all Evil is already mentioned and likely the one who killed their mother or I thought so. The sisters do have chemistry and I didn't care at all about the potential love interests. They were the least interesting and hope don't take focus off the sisters like the Charmed we love did. Melinda Warren is mentioned in the book of shadows. However I'm convinced she is just an easter egg nod and obviously not the Melinda Warren we know all too well. Harry gives the sisters 48 hours to determine if they are going to accept their destiny as the Charmed Ones, or reject it and go about their normal lives. I liked this change. Much better to let them decide. Only problem is if all the three sisters reject their destiny, they’ll not only lose their powers, they will forget they ever found each other. Eventually they accept and vanquish their first demon. No surprises it is Tadius, who was actually the professor who had been suspended for sexual harassment. The CGI demon was pretty corny. Didn't care at all about it. Also should be noted Science may play a big part of the show. Macy using science to help them understand their powers was actually one of the interesting parts I liked. Something different. Now I am going to watch on and see episode 2. Looks okay but I need just one or two more to decide and see how they handle things beyond the pilot. Also curious what they are doing with Harry. But I just didn't like how hard they tried in some parts to be modern with the Metoo movement. Hoping it isn't that much in episode 2 or beyond. Doubtful. I noticed during the pilot watching, though, that a lot of the jokes or attempts at jokes, didn’t hit the mark and got no response from the audience. Which I found interesting and this could be telling that the reboot just is trying way too hard. The sisters had decent chemistry, but they just didn’t have the almost instantaneous connection the original set did. After the screening was the panel Q&A. The producers have seen the original series. The reboot will seek to address a lots of the issues that are affecting society right now they said. Which brings back one of the earlier jokes about Donald Trump in the pilot. I feel as if this series could possibly have never been picked up if the Metoo movement didn't happen. Feels like they are trying to cash in on it and using the Charmed name as a way to do it. The actresses seemed very happy and get along fine. I just hope they don't try too hard and rely more on the love triangle of the sisters to engage an audience and stop throwing current events in our faces. So I hope science is a new element going forward that has never been done in Classic Charmed. More building the sisters. Some conflict between Macy and Mel, since Mel was the older sister to Maggie her whole life. Thanks Summer Reading for sharing your experience at Comic Con with us on the pilot.
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Post by West on Jul 21, 2018 9:48:23 GMT -5
So the Source is back. Oh no!!! Also why do they have to force so many MeToo political issues into the pilot. Why can't things be a little organic and not too forced. Having the sexual predator being the demon, I hope they won't keep making the demons metaphorically issues for political current events every week. Well it seems Harry was well recieved from the audience. Why do I get the feeling he may have been involved with the girls mother before. Especially if the warning not to trust him is misleading he's evil and he's the father or somehow connected to how Macy was given away. But I'd love it if he was our big bad. Thanks Summer Reading for reviewing the panel.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 21, 2018 12:45:04 GMT -5
I also think that Harry will be the oldest sister's father...either that or he'll be their version of Cole...or both.
Thanks for the recap, SummerReading, although I haven't read it - I don't want to be spoiled too much before watching. Too much spoiling ruined a lot of Classic Charmed (and it will always be that to me, not OG, whatever that stands for (Older Generation? Original Generation?) for me and I don't want that to happen to me. I'm still reading the panel stuff (and most made me roll my eyes), but the first-look pilot was enough to let me know I want to wait to see the actual premiere episode.
As soon as they said they became Charmed Ones (NOT *the* Charmed Ones - glad they're saving that for ours) when Trump showed up, I knew this wasn't for me. Not that I don't hate Trump, but again, when watching fantasy shows, I want to forget the real world, and this one simply won't let that happen for me.
An Afternoon Special - yeah, that's what this should be, not a weekly show.
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Post by West on Jul 22, 2018 5:04:57 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely the same. I like to watch fantasy shows to get away from Real life. They calm me and relax me and cheer me up. But seeing so much political stuff and current events just doesn't help.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Jul 22, 2018 6:39:29 GMT -5
Although they claim the only love triangle will be the three sisters in S1. That doesn't guarantee that S2 or S3 wont shift focus once we get to know them.
I'm not sure about the ladies producing the reboots other show Jane the Virgin. But did that one have consistency with focusing on the core leads.
But if these ladies stay producing the entire series and none are forced out. Hopefully the sisters are written more consistently than Classic Charmed when Connie left, Brad took over and Holly and Alyssa produced.
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Post by rebooted on Jul 22, 2018 8:50:35 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely the same. I like to watch fantasy shows to get away from Real life. They calm me and relax me and cheer me up. But seeing so much political stuff and current events just doesn't help. I'm a political junkie so I don't really mind. One thing that I think is different is that SD, HMC, and esp AM and RM were highly sexualised, amidst the 90's, 'don't wear a bra, showcase your nipples, and wear slutty outfits' feminism - not that it just focused on that, but Friends, Ally McBeal, SATC etc kinda of were like that too. This series looks like it won't pimp out the actresses as much - maybe Madison/Maggie as a cheerleader but I really think this is a different form of feminism in a 2018 context.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 22, 2018 10:31:17 GMT -5
Yeah, definitely the same. I like to watch fantasy shows to get away from Real life. They calm me and relax me and cheer me up. But seeing so much political stuff and current events just doesn't help. I'm a political junkie so I don't really mind. One thing that I think is different is that SD, HMC, and esp AM and RM were highly sexualised, amidst the 90's, 'don't wear a bra, showcase your nipples, and wear slutty outfits' feminism - not that it just focused on that, but Friends, Ally McBeal, SATC etc kinda of were like that too. This series looks like it won't pimp out the actresses as much - maybe Madison/Maggie as a cheerleader but I really think this is a different form of feminism in a 2018 context. Well, that's the point - feminism in 1990's/2000s was a lot different than it is now - and more, the fact that male misogynist TV execs still thought sex would sell, so back then, jiggle-TV was still the popular thing. Fortunately that's no longer the case. I hope this means we won't see them turning the sisters into certain mythical creatures just so they can show off the actresses' tits and asses. With women in charge, I sincerely doubt that will be the case and will be very disappointed it if isn't. That's what concerns me about it being on The CW - how long before their execs demand stuff like that? I *really* wish it was on Netflix instead. BUT not having jiggle-TV won't make Ripoff Charmed better than Classic Charmed in my eyes. It's still the stories and especially the relationship between the sisters and whether their relationships with their significant others become more important than their sisterhood, like what happened once Cole showed up. Maybe we won't get a triangle (thank God!), but if any of their significant others upstage the sisters the way Cole did, I won't like it, the way that's my least-favorite storyline. And because the costars are all males, not counting the token lesbian lover, I'm thinking that that's what's going to happen. It can't be on The CW and not happen - again why I wish it was going to be on Netflix instead. As a political junkie (which I'm not - I hated Donald Trump back when he was on "The Apprentice" - acting like he was king and what he says goes with him having power over everyone in order to make him a lot of money, just like what's happening now - so I would hate him no matter if he was a Democrat or a Republican.), I'm sure you'll enjoy all of the political parts, but it's what will keep it from ever becoming classic like Classic Charmed because 10 years from now, something else will be topical. I'm sure whenever this one ends, it won't be around for any more than five years, unlike Classic Charmed. So despite jiggle TV (and since I'm used to it, I don't even notice - never did unless it was pointed out - so it doesn't bother me), I'll stick to Classic Charmed - especially what I count as Classic Charmed - ending when PhoeME lies to her sisters about vanquishing Cole, the moment the Power of Three should've died and never returned.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 22, 2018 11:10:26 GMT -5
Okay, I admit it. My curiosity got the best of me and I ended up reading the spoiler.
Definitely prefer how the Halliwells got their powers and still wish something similar had happened with Paige. (Sorry, not interested enough to call them by the new names - still haven't figured out who's who and don't care enough to find out. So for me, I'm going to call the oldest Paige, the middle Piper and the youngest Phoebe, mainly due to their powers, and on a site dedicated to Classic Charmed, that should be okay for anyone to do.) The original three did NOT shake hands to become Charmed and have the light shine down on them - it came from Phoebe reading the spell. I wish Paige had found the Book and read the spell and not actually get her powers until she had. In fact, I'd prefer if Piper and Phoebe lost *their* powers when Prue died until Paige read the spell and then Piper ended up with TK, Phoebe with explosions and Paige with premonitions. The fact that this didn't happen continues to convince me that S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off that has little to do with Classic Charmed.
DEFINITELY like that they get the chance to decide if they're going to stay witches (yeah, let's skip straight to 'Witch Way Now' and skip all the Evil Phoebe/Cole-the-Source crap - save that for Ripoff Buffy, who I heard did it better), but hate the idea that if they decide against it, they forget all about Paige.
I definitely prefer if Sam (I'm going to call him Sam rather than Leo since I'm pretty sure he's going to be Paige's father) had been a guide like Leo started out rather than the magical doctor/taxicab that Leo turned into during the alternate-universe spin-off - I HATED it when Leo turned into that - BUT if it means we don't run into the Elders, I won't complain. Also hate that the Source is already mentioned. It means we'll probably be stuck with demons rather than warlocks.
Don't like all the college stuff, especially when it's all related to women's studies. They are SO using Charmed to try to push the feminist agenda, and that's just not what I want in my fantasy shows. I hear Buffy did that a lot - part of why I didn't like Buffy. I wish they'd just rebooted Buffy and use that show to push their agenda, and waited ten more years so that three new actresses could play Prue, Piper and Phoebe, but start the show when none of the sisters die so we can skip Paige who turned having a whitelighter for a father be more important than having a Warren for a mother, Cole the Source, Evil Phoebe, Crazy Cole, PhoeME, Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper, Wyatt, Chris, Gideon, the Avatars, the Elders, all of Phoebe's slampieces, Leo the magical taxicab/doctor, Leo the Elder, Leo the Avatar, Leo the Little Errand Boys and the Jenkinses, and continue Classic Charmed rather than its alternate-universe spin-off. I still think this reboot sounds more of a reboot of the spin-off than Classic Charmed. Sounds more and more like everything I wanted the reboot to include won't be.
I just want my fantasy show to be something that lets me forget the real world for an hour. If I want politics, I'd watch CNN or MSNBC or Fox News - and I never watch any of those.
Otherwise...meh.
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Post by pheebs on Jul 22, 2018 17:32:44 GMT -5
I don't get why they forget about the half sister if they decide to not accept their destiny. So does the half just suddenly disappear back where she came from before moving. They'd have to meet eventually obviously.
More hints that the whitelighter Harry may be the oldest sisters father and was the one to make sure the half moved to town. I'm sure he planned it after the mother died. Otherwise why they forget her. She'd just find out they are her sisters soon after if she's still in town.
Looks like Warlocks are not a thing. We already have a Source. But mentioning him in the pilot, that means they will run out of stories if he appears in S2 at the earliest. Unless this time, The source remains in the underworld and we never see him. But this one appears to make it seem like he will be a threat later.
Also setting it in a town and around a college than a big city. It feels like they are limiting themselves. How many demons can attack a smaller town, unless the Nexus or something similar is beneath the college campus or town. It means being exposed would be easier than a big city like Classic Charmed.
Thinking back to the last two reboot attemps. The other two were not so MeToo heavy, as one was even set in the 70s. This one jumped so hard to capitalize on it. No wonder it was reworked so quickly when the MeToo movement got so big late last year.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Jul 22, 2018 19:23:06 GMT -5
Just read the spoilers from the panel. Some things I like and others not so much. I don't like too much preachy. But it appears this reboot is really going to be very political. And now that Buffy is being rebooted they will do the same with that one too.
But in five or 10 years time when all these issues are not current events. Well Classic Charmed never was heavily influenced by modern events of political movements. I wished the reboot could not push this on us.
I see it's much more now and how any female centric show will be. I'm not into politics. I don't like my shows dealing so much with it.
I'm with Es on this. I like my fantasy shows making me forget about the Real World for an an hour.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 22, 2018 19:28:03 GMT -5
NOTE: I'm going to keep calling the new characters by the old characters' names, since I'm just not interested enough in Ripoff Charmed to figure out the differences. So for me, the oldest is Paige, the middle is Piper, the youngest is Phoebe, their mother is Patty and their whitelighter is Sam. If they stop pushing political agendas in our faces, I might get interested enough to watch and try to figure out the names. If anyone quotes me and wants to change the names to the new ones, go for it. In fact, I'd appreciate it if they did that. I don't get why they forget about the half sister if they decide to not accept their destiny. So does the half just suddenly disappear back where she came from before moving. They'd have to meet eventually obviously. No, I get the feeling Sam did something to keep Paige away and now did something to bring her back once he knew Patty had released their powers before she died. If Sam is truly Paige's father (or if a demon is), and these Charmed Ones (can't call them *the* Charmed Ones...so they're not the most powerful witches ever which probably means they don't have their own prophecy which makes sense since Melinda Warren saw the Halliwells, not these guys. Probably a very good thing, thinking of all the problems them being the most powerful brought up with Charmed - Wyatt, the Jenkinses, etc. Hopefully there are *no* prophecies.) give up their powers, Sam would probably do the same thing in reverse since if they don't know about magic, they can't know about whitelighhters or demons. I'm going to guess Paige grew up somewhere else, maybe even out of the country, and just wouldn't come back. And as I said, I'm glad they skipped straight to 'Witch Way Now?', especially when they got the chance to forget all about it. Hopefully Piper and Phoebe haven't bonded with Paige or they probably wouldn't do it since they wouldn't want to lose her. If they never show him and find out that they can't vanquish him (or her - I'm SOOOO hoping the Big Bad is a female!), then all of the demons can be under his/her control, following his/her orders. Due to the topical junk, they'll probably have the Source be Trump, or better, Putin with Sam as Trump... Now that I could get a kick out of... Maybe the fact that they could be exposed easier is why they did it - make not being exposed be more important than the wrong things done for the right reason is still the wrong thing, as happened in the alternate-universe spin-off. I'm sure that's why it was suddenly turned from the 70's to present time.
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Post by pheebs on Jul 24, 2018 21:08:52 GMT -5
NOTE: I'm going to keep calling the new characters by the old characters' names, since I'm just not interested enough in Ripoff Charmed to figure out the differences. So for me, the oldest is Paige, the middle is Piper, the youngest is Phoebe, their mother is Patty and their whitelighter is Sam. If they stop pushing political agendas in our faces, I might get interested enough to watch and try to figure out the names. If anyone quotes me and wants to change the names to the new ones, go for it. In fact, I'd appreciate it if they did that. I hope so Es, but I worry that they won't stop pushing it at us and that it will start to become a prime theme that all television shows start displaying. I hope not. I don't get why they forget about the half sister if they decide to not accept their destiny. So does the half just suddenly disappear back where she came from before moving. They'd have to meet eventually obviously. No, I get the feeling Sam did something to keep Paige away and now did something to bring her back once he knew Patty had released their powers before she died. If Sam is truly Paige's father (or if a demon is), and these Charmed Ones (can't call them *the* Charmed Ones...so they're not the most powerful witches ever which probably means they don't have their own prophecy which makes sense since Melinda Warren saw the Halliwells, not these guys. Probably a very good thing, thinking of all the problems them being the most powerful brought up with Charmed - Wyatt, the Jenkinses, etc. Hopefully there are *no* prophecies.) give up their powers, Sam would probably do the same thing in reverse since if they don't know about magic, they can't know about whitelighhters or demons. I'm going to guess Paige grew up somewhere else, maybe even out of the country, and just wouldn't come back. That's true Es. I'm also surprised they didn't just let the actress playing the older sister Macy, keep her British accent, and said she lived in England. I think they are better off without any prophecies. It appears they are Charmed or the time to make them Charmed Ones is all to do with Metoo and Trump. That this is the time Charmed Ones are needed in the world. And as I said, I'm glad they skipped straight to 'Witch Way Now?', especially when they got the chance to forget all about it. Hopefully Piper and Phoebe haven't bonded with Paige or they probably wouldn't do it since they wouldn't want to lose her. This is one thing I think the reboot got right. But that's true, they wouldn't want to lose her. I think making it a her, would be even better. I hope it is a her and not a he. LOL the Source as Trump would be so funny. I didn't think about it like that, but your right that would actually help. Yup. They desperately need Metoo, can't do that in a 70s setting. Although I wish they would leak the scripts for the 70s version and the 2013 reboot with Prue, Piper & Phoebe redone. I'm a little curious to see what they had in mind, and if those ideas were any worse than what they got on the air this year.
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Post by Miranda Turner on Jul 25, 2018 6:35:11 GMT -5
Full Comic Comic Panel
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jul 25, 2018 10:16:04 GMT -5
Thanks for that.
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Post by prudencehalliwell on Jul 25, 2018 17:38:04 GMT -5
Thanks Miranda! Well I'm sure we'll get a new Cole and other plots that are familiar but different. I was hoping they would be more creative and come up with more original stories. Whitelighters and The Source. They are better off just doing things that have nothing to do with Classic Charmed. They are trying so hard to grab fans attention by adding something that's familar and expecting us to love seeing again.
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Post by Chris on Jul 25, 2018 23:58:43 GMT -5
Interesting panel... yep, interesting.
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Post by Granny Charmed on Jul 26, 2018 0:44:09 GMT -5
I'm a political junkie so I don't really mind. One thing that I think is different is that SD, HMC, and esp AM and RM were highly sexualised, amidst the 90's, 'don't wear a bra, showcase your nipples, and wear slutty outfits' feminism - not that it just focused on that, but Friends, Ally McBeal, SATC etc kinda of were like that too. This series looks like it won't pimp out the actresses as much - maybe Madison/Maggie as a cheerleader but I really think this is a different form of feminism in a 2018 context. Well, that's the point - feminism in 1990's/2000s was a lot different than it is now - and more, the fact that male misogynist TV execs still thought sex would sell, so back then, jiggle-TV was still the popular thing. Fortunately that's no longer the case. I hope this means we won't see them turning the sisters into certain mythical creatures just so they can show off the actresses' tits and asses. With women in charge, I sincerely doubt that will be the case and will be very disappointed it if isn't. That's what concerns me about it being on The CW - how long before their execs demand stuff like that? I *really* wish it was on Netflix instead. BUT not having jiggle-TV won't make Ripoff Charmed better than Classic Charmed in my eyes. It's still the stories and especially the relationship between the sisters and whether their relationships with their significant others become more important than their sisterhood, like what happened once Cole showed up. Maybe we won't get a triangle (thank God!), but if any of their significant others upstage the sisters the way Cole did, I won't like it, the way that's my least-favorite storyline. And because the costars are all males, not counting the token lesbian lover, I'm thinking that that's what's going to happen. It can't be on The CW and not happen - again why I wish it was going to be on Netflix instead. As a political junkie (which I'm not - I hated Donald Trump back when he was on "The Apprentice" - acting like he was king and what he says goes with him having power over everyone in order to make him a lot of money, just like what's happening now - so I would hate him no matter if he was a Democrat or a Republican.), I'm sure you'll enjoy all of the political parts, but it's what will keep it from ever becoming classic like Classic Charmed because 10 years from now, something else will be topical. I'm sure whenever this one ends, it won't be around for any more than five years, unlike Classic Charmed. So despite jiggle TV (and since I'm used to it, I don't even notice - never did unless it was pointed out - so it doesn't bother me), I'll stick to Classic Charmed - especially what I count as Classic Charmed - ending when PhoeME lies to her sisters about vanquishing Cole, the moment the Power of Three should've died and never returned. Exactly so dear. All of this makes sense, and I'm sure this reboot will face the same network demands that Classic Charmed faced. It's too bad it wasn't the other way round, Sabrina on CW as the spin-off to Riverdale and the reboot on Netflix. But as you said dear, with women in charge, that might not happen but it won't stop the network from demanding things. We all know love triangles are a CW trend. But in 10 years time, something else will be topical, and that actually will make this reboot look much more dated. So I don't see it staying a classic, just a trendsetter for the era. That's something I feel hurts a shows long-running appeal.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Jul 26, 2018 17:08:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the full panel Miranda.
I do hope their Source and Whitelighter mythology fixes ehat Classic Charmed did wrong later with it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 5:21:23 GMT -5
Also setting it in a town and around a college than a big city. It feels like they are limiting themselves. How many demons can attack a smaller town, unless the Nexus or something similar is beneath the college campus or town. It means being exposed would be easier than a big city like Classic Charmed. I definitely think going down the Nexus/Hellmouth route would be the best idea for a small-town setting, especially if they're mixing in standalone episodes with arc-episodes. It was believable that the sisters could run into random demons in a big city like SF, but won't be so much in a small, isolated town.
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