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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 4:01:25 GMT -5
I didn't mind her being a mom. What I did mind was Piper having sons instead of the daughter she saw. It made it too male focused for me.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 4:45:58 GMT -5
I did mind was Piper having sons instead of the daughter she saw. It made it too male focused for me. The show always had men and about men in it, since S1E1 "Something Wicca This Way Comes". I will die on the hill that Andy had more story development in S1 than Piper did, and Piper is supposed to be a main character. Though, I believe Piper's development was awful & terrible. I used to really love her character, but I don't anymore because she's really mean & bitter. Which to some extent I get with how traumatized her life has been, but I digress. We had a lot of men even in S2. I find there's nothing wrong with expanding the Charmed universe whether the expansion deals with men or women, BEYOND the sisters. Even some (not all) people prefer the show to be JUST about them even excluding other women (AND children!), but I digress. I'm glad the show went with my route, in expanding BEYOND JUST the sisters which includes BOTH male & female. BUT, I WILL say, I agree there should've been more female companions. We kinda had Jenny & Sheila before Billie & Christy showed up in S8. Otherwise, it was mostly men as the more consistent companions to the Charmed Ones than female ones. I'll meet, in the middle. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 11:09:55 GMT -5
I'm not opposed to having men in the show. But the Charmed line should be continued with women. It was a show about girl power in the first five seasons (first half of s5) and it turned into the Wyatt and Chris show for s5 and 6 and it never really went away though s7 and s8 became better. I loved Piper in s1 the most but I do agree she had less of a role. Piper was at her best in s3 and s4.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 11:48:05 GMT -5
the Charmed line should be continued with women. Disagree. Men are to be involved, as well, to help the family grow. It can't just be women. It was a show about girl power in the first five seasons (first half of s5) It really wasn't. S1 was all about Prue and her drama. Her sisters are practically side characters, throughout that season. S2 is Piper & her love triangle. S3 is Phoebe and her relationship with Cole. Along with Cole taking over the show. MANY other fans will admit this. S4 is about Paige & more Phoebe & Cole drama. S5 Phoebe & Cole drama, and Piper being a mom. S6 begins the new era with Piper's children. S7 continues the Piper & her family lineage saga while disregarding Phoebe & Paige. S8 is about Billie & Christy but the Piper & Leo saga still remains. Even the pictures on the wall, in the end of S8E22 "Forever Charmed" is ALL about Piper's lineage and NOTHING really to do with Phoebe & Paige until the last picture. The only "girl power" message I got (I used to think this way, so I get where you're coming from) is essentially ensuring our leading ladies are never wrong and were always the powerful ones. Let's not forget the skimpy outfits, either. That's about it. Though, I wished they had more "girl power" messaging than it did. I wanted more female companions than male ones to really hit it home, but the show never really did that, unfortunately. We kind of get a little bit with it when there's Jenny, Sheila and Billie & Christy. That's about it. it turned into the Wyatt and Chris show for s5 and 6 and it never really went away though s7 and s8 became better. I agree but gonna kick it up a knotch. It became all about Piper's lineage which Wyatt & Chris are a part of. I loved Piper in s1 the most but I do agree she had less of a role. Piper was at her best in s3 and s4. I like Piper in S3. S1 Piper shows remnants of later season Piper that I really hate (S2 Piper, especially but I digress). All and all, I stand by what I said here: I agree there should've been more female companions. We kinda had Jenny & Sheila before Billie & Christy showed up in S8. Otherwise, it was mostly men as the more consistent companions to the Charmed Ones than female ones. I'll meet, in the middle. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 11:56:38 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the seasons that way. If anything, S1 had the most focus on the sisters. The Andy stuff was even a side plot in it and Leo was in like a couple of episodes I think. But there was no major bad guy and it just focused on the sisters getting used to their powers and living together. The only episode one could argue that didn't focus on the Power of Three was the Max one and the Power of Two episode. Piper should have been Melinda's mom. Or Wyatt and Chris should have been non-magical or something. To me, a show about three women should remain that, a show about three women. Plus, if they wanted to bring in Wyatt, he would have worked better as Phoebe and Cole's son in s4 because it would explain why he had such a dark side because his father was literally the Source of all evil.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 12:20:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the seasons that way. IK most people don't, but outside sources have pointed to Shannen (at the very least) was meant to be the star of Charmed, and S1 felt very much about that life. Especially her never-ending drama with Andy. S1E5 "Dream Sorcerer" is very Prue heavy. You already pointed out S1E14 "Secrets & Guys" (I don't like that episode, at all because of it). S1E16 "Which Prue is it, Anyway?" is very Prue heavy, as well. Bucklands catered more to Prue than Quake just being a place to hide Piper there. S1E13 "From Fear to Eternity" was all about Prue, too. With Alyssa fighting tooth and nail to be visible, on the show (and why she sued), for equal representation. I didn't have any of this proof, until recently. Prior to getting the proof, S1 definitely felt Prue centric, but I couldn't explain why. Now, IK. If anything, S1 had the most focus on the sisters. I'll agree with the S1-S2 fans that S1-S2 is the most "sisterly" of the show. The Andy stuff was even a side plot in it Didn't feel that way, to me. Piper should have been Melinda's mom. She (technically) was, in the end via S8E22 "Forever Charmed" (not the little girl she read to but it was mentioned) Or Wyatt and Chris should have been non-magical or something. I think Chris' TK should've worked similarly to Paige's. I HATE how Chris got the normal TK but Paige didn't -_- The only time we see Chris have Paige's TK-Orbing is his evil self doing it in S6E22 "It's a Bad, Bad, Bad, Bad World, Pt 1", that's about it. That being said, no, they shouldn't powerless. It's a magic show, and I would find it disturbing if they came out of a magical family without any powers. Doesn't make any sense. I might be on board to binding their powers, which they were so close to doing in S6E12 "Prince Charmed" T_T but not having magical powers completely. To me, a show about three women should remain that, a show about three women. That's where the "about the sisters only" crowd comes into play, where they can't have kids, either LOL I never got the vibe that this show was to be JUST about them because of how S1 played out, and how the outside drama CONFIRMS Shannen/Prue was intended to be the star. Plus, if they wanted to bring in Wyatt, he would have worked better as Phoebe and Cole's son in s4 because it would explain why he had such a dark side because his father was literally the Source of all evil. Piper did eat the same chocolates Phoebe ate LOL That's how theorize why Wyatt came about instead of Melinda, as "the eldest" 'cause of that decision Piper made. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 12:25:16 GMT -5
Huh I didn't feel that way. I may be biased because Prue is my favourite but I felt that way about s3 actually. Like Just Harried instead of being Piper's wedding was focused on Prue's astral projection. I don't mind Prue-centred episodes but not when she steals the spotlight either which that episode felt like it. I am also okay with the Charmed Ones having kids but only girls like it was shown in s1 or if there are boys, they don't take the powers.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 12:30:12 GMT -5
That's OK that's why we're here to discuss and learn from each other. We ALL have different opinions ;P I may be biased because Prue is my favourite Totally. Prue isn't my favorite, but she's not my least favorite like Piper is. Phoebe & Paige are tied as my favorites, though Phoebe slightly more than Paige. I am also okay with the Charmed Ones having kids Same. but only girls like it was shown in s1 or if there are boys, they don't take the powers. This is where we disagree LOL But, hey, to each there own! IK of other fans who bring up a good point in binding their powers because I really don't think Piper did a good job in teaching Wyatt how to control his powers, at all. |
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Post by summerreading on Nov 13, 2024 12:36:04 GMT -5
Piper or the way they wrote her was wishy washy. Lost and Bound she was against binding her children's powers. Episode ends with her understanding why Grams did it. Come S5 and S6 she's suddenly pro powers.
I personally think they should've been bound at least until she can teach them better.
She didn't do a good job at all with control.
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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 12:41:28 GMT -5
Wyatt to me was more OP than the Charmed Ones at times which to me, took away from the show. He's Twice Blessed and all but Paige was also the daughter of a witch and a whitelighter so it just felt too male empowered to me to like it.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 12:47:18 GMT -5
Wyatt to me was more OP than the Charmed Ones at times which to me, took away from the show. He's Twice Blessed and all but Paige was also the daughter of a witch and a whitelighter so it just felt too male empowered to me to like it. Oh, I always roll my eyes at "destined" or "prophesized" canon, REGARDLESS of who it's on. EVERY show does this to make their characters special. Even the Charmed Ones I rolled my eyes at. "Yeah, yeah, most powerful witches, the world has ever known" -_- Which, BTW, S1 kept highlighting Prue as "the strongest" amongst them via S1E7 "The Fourth Sister", S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?", S1E16 "Which Prue is it, Anyway?", etc. Just more proof on how much Prue was the focus than the other two. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 13, 2024 13:04:33 GMT -5
Piper or the way they wrote her was wishy washy. Lost and Bound she was against binding her children's powers. Episode ends with her understanding why Grams did it. Come S5 and S6 she's suddenly pro powers. I personally think they should've been bound at least until she can teach them better. She didn't do a good job at all with control. Back to the "Piper being a mom" subject 100% agree with you summerreading ! |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 13, 2024 22:28:20 GMT -5
Wyatt to me was more OP than the Charmed Ones at times which to me, took away from the show. He's Twice Blessed and all but Paige was also the daughter of a witch and a whitelighter so it just felt too male empowered to me to like it. Oh, I always roll my eyes at "destined" or "prophesized" canon, REGARDLESS of who it's on. EVERY show does this to make their characters special. Even the Charmed Ones I rolled my eyes at. "Yeah, yeah, most powerful witches, the world has ever known" -_- Which, BTW, S1 kept highlighting Prue as "the strongest" amongst them via S1E7 "The Fourth Sister", S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?", S1E16 "Which Prue is it, Anyway?", etc. Just more proof on how much Prue was the focus than the other two. Prue is the oldest - the oldest will always be the strongest out of them because she's the first born. And I love the destined canon to be honest. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 0:36:19 GMT -5
Prue is the oldest - the oldest will always be the strongest out of them because she's the first born. And I love the destined canon to be honest. S1E7 "The Fourth Sister", S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?" & S4E1 "Charmed Again, Pt 1" never really emphasized the fact of her being the oldest factored into her strength. Only S1E16 "Which Prue is it, Anyway?". That being said, I'm just pointing out EVERY show prophesizes their characters to be "special", so Wyatt's "prophecy" didn't bother me. Plus, he is the oldest, as well. I'm glad you like the "destiny" canon. I (personally) don't. But, it's not ONLY this show that does it. Other shows, do this, too, that you get used to it LOL |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 0:43:25 GMT -5
I like the fact that destiny plays a huge part. And also Wyatt is a boy. Something went wrong. Grams's reaction was my reaction to be honest.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 0:52:59 GMT -5
I like the fact that destiny plays a huge part. And also Wyatt is a boy. Something went wrong. Grams's reaction was my reaction to be honest. That's fine. I'm not a personal fan of "destiny" canons. The "something went wrong" was because Piper ate the chocolates in S4E16 "The Fifth Halliwheel". I don't think there's anything wrong with Wyatt being a boy. I think people would be fine, if he was a weak and pathetic magic wielder. But because he was "destined" I think is the real issue here. Not because he's a boy. This why I dislike "destined" canon. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:00:38 GMT -5
Lol you would hate the shows I like then. Destined heroes is a recurring theme in all my shows. I like the Warren line continuing with women not men.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:02:26 GMT -5
Lol you would hate the shows I like then. Destined heroes is a recurring theme in all my shows. I like the Warren line continuing with women not men. I tolerate "destined" canons. You said you would be fine with it if they didn't have powers hence why I said Wyatt would be fine if he his powers weren't as powerful as they were. |
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Post by angelap on Nov 14, 2024 1:13:03 GMT -5
Lol you would hate the shows I like then. Destined heroes is a recurring theme in all my shows. I like the Warren line continuing with women not men. I tolerate "destined" canons. You said you would be fine with it if they didn't have powers hence why I said Wyatt would be fine if he his powers weren't as powerful as they were. Like if they gave Wyatt a single power. Maybe continuing the tradition of a Warren gaining one of the 3 gifts to start. Would that have made you happier prueislove ? |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:17:36 GMT -5
That would be better yes. It's just everything was about Wyatt once he was born. It became more about protecting him than protecting innocents.
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