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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:18:50 GMT -5
That would be better yes. It's just everything was about Wyatt once he was born. It became more about protecting him than protecting innocents. I agree the show became more about Piper's lineage. I'd have a problem with it even if all of her kids were girls, too. It takes away from the point of the show, IMO. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:19:24 GMT -5
This I can agree with! The show is about the Charmed Ones, not their offspring.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:21:01 GMT -5
This I can agree with! The show is about the Charmed Ones, not their offspring. Yeah, the finale irritated me because it was just all about Piper and her children/lineage. The photos on the wall was just about her and her family. And, she only has one picture of the Paige Era set of sisters. I can't. It doesn't matter, to me, what gender her children were. Nor how powerful they are. Piper being a mom, did take a lot away from the show. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:22:48 GMT -5
But in the Morality Bites future, she's still a Mom but cares deeply for her sisters still. She went against LEO to save Phoebe.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:28:15 GMT -5
But in the Morality Bites future, she's still a Mom but cares deeply for her sisters still. She went against LEO to save Phoebe. Piper is ALWAYS against Leo LOL She would save her sisters, in ANY situation. While, she's trying to save Leo from his psychotic abyss in S7, she still was willing to break the law for an aging Paige in S7E4 "Charrrmed!". I don't think anything has really changed with Piper's personality, there. But even S2E2 "Morality Bites" daughter was a lingering goal for the Piper character to reach. I'm actually glad it changed from a girl to a boy because I like how it shows the choices we make alters our future. Let's remember, Prue was in the S2E2 "Morality Bites" future, as well. But, in this reality/alternate timeline, she's not here. So, I am glad it continued to change/alter the timeline based off of changes that were made. |
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 1:33:59 GMT -5
This I can agree with! The show is about the Charmed Ones, not their offspring. And I'll say that it is a common overused trope when the offspring starts to become central. Charmed isn't guilty of that. It's just something most fantasy shows do. Same with a time traveling future offspring from the future. And I know that characters need to grow and should be able to start families. But they didn't do enough balance. In some regards Piper's whole identity and story become defined by Leo and the kids and shifted to her focus on Wyatt. She was a successful business owner, and the show should've leaned more into P3 and the struggles and success of it.
I'm starting to understand why some fans think the show jumped the shark when Wyatt was born. I know many think it was end of S3 or even S4. But I can that it was when Wyatt was born when the show shifts to being more about Piper's lineage. And no, even if Piper had Melinda, its the same thing. Gender doesn't matter.
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 1:35:03 GMT -5
But in the Morality Bites future, she's still a Mom but cares deeply for her sisters still. She went against LEO to save Phoebe. Piper is ALWAYS against Leo LOL She would save her sisters, in ANY situation. While, she's trying to save Leo from his psychotic abyss in S7, she still was willing to break the law for an aging Paige in S7E4 "Charrrmed!". I don't think anything has really changed with Piper's personality, there. But even S2E2 "Morality Bites" daughter was a lingering goal for the Piper character to reach. I'm actually glad it changed from a girl to a boy because I like how it shows the choices we make alters our future. Let's remember, Prue was in the S2E2 "Morality Bites" future, as well. But, in this reality/alternate timeline, she's not here. So, I am glad it continued to change/alter the timeline based off of changes that were made. I'm glad it changed. Because I'd get bored if everything in the future was set in stone and that's where we ended up. It'll just make the storyline dull.
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:40:55 GMT -5
Wait, Piper is always against Leo? Did we watch the same show? She was willing to marry Leo even if it meant her sisters being hurt like Phoebe pointed it out. Also, did you miss Saving private Leo? Phoebe may have been the worst sister in history in that episode but Piper's love for Leo shone clearly. I personally feel in a show about women, the focus should be on women including Piper, Phoebe, Paige or Prue's children. Like look at Pretty Little Liars. The central focus was always on the liars.
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 1:45:05 GMT -5
Wait, Piper is always against Leo? Did we watch the same show? She was willing to marry Leo even if it meant her sisters being hurt like Phoebe pointed it out. Also, did you miss Saving private Leo? Phoebe may have been the worst sister in history in that episode but Piper's love for Leo shone clearly. I personally feel in a show about women, the focus should be on women including Piper, Phoebe, Paige or Prue's children. Like look at Pretty Little Liars. The central focus was always on the liars. I personally didn't think the show was female centric enough. Until S8 with Billie, the only main characters were just the Charmed Ones. The only allies/friends you could count were Jenny and Sheila. There was always a lack of female characters outside of the sisters (and no Grams and Patty do not count as they are dead characters, I'm talking living active allies). I'm very pro having a community of sisterhood that extends beyond just sisters. Having the Charmed Ones lift up other witches and in turn them doing the same to them would've made Charmed even more special and amazing. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:50:05 GMT -5
I felt s1-3 were and then yeah...it got off track badly.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:53:06 GMT -5
Wait, Piper is always against Leo? Did we watch the same show? She was willing to marry Leo even if it meant her sisters being hurt like Phoebe pointed it out. Also, did you miss Saving private Leo? Phoebe may have been the worst sister in history in that episode but Piper's love for Leo shone clearly. Maybe not always but mostly. Her BS relationship with Dan (through S2), even though it's CLEAR she loves and is thinking about Leo,the entirety of that relationship. Which, the whole reason why she broke up with Josh (who I love for Piper, out of everyone who is alive & not evil) in S1E19 "Out of Sight" to "be with Leo", but she's not in S2? Even though, she's OBIVOUSLY thinking about Leo, but she was fighting against her feelings. And, Piper took Phoebe's side and even questioned Leo, in S3E2 "Magic Hour", about their relationship. Piper blowing up Leo, when he pisses her off is canon via S5E15 "The Day That Magic Died" & S7E6 "Once in a Blue Moon". That's domestic violence! Criticizing his Whitelighter customs by rejecting him wearing his robe, for their wedding, in S3E15 "Just Harried". Treating him horribly in S8E6 "Kill Billie: Vol I" and S8E7 "The Lost Picture Show". It's rare for me to ship the Piper & Leo relationship because she was AWFUL, to him! Reasons why I dislike her, the most. I personally feel in a show about women, the focus should be on women including Piper, Phoebe, Paige or Prue's children. Which Wyatt & Chris are apart of. My issue with it is it was just about Piper's children and not enough on Phoebe's nor Paige's. Phoebe tried, but it wasn't prominent as Piper's. The central focus was always on the liars. I'm going to spoil-tag my response as not to spoil this show for others. And, NONE of them had children until the very end, so that the focus would remain on the Liars. I would still say one Liar tend to get the spotlight more than others. Originally, Aria before Spencer took over because IMK (the Executive Producer) began favoring the Spencer character more than the Aria character (which was her initial favorite). I can tell that just by the way the show was written. |
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 1:54:56 GMT -5
I felt s1-3 were and then yeah...it got off track badly. I still like many episodes in S4-8. But yeah it really didn't have consistent lore. I'm afraid you can tell it was made up as they went along.
I didn't like how Piper's family were the stars of the last episode. It's about the SISTERS at its core (the last episode needed to be about what the show was about). That's my distaste for the last episode and obviously the overused time travel fix.
I agree with Aaeiyn. Charmageddon would've been a better series finale. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:58:31 GMT -5
I will agree to disagree. I feel Piper's character was ruined a lot after Prue's death. She remained somewhat decent in s4 before she totally went off the rocker. I will also ask not to use the term domestic violence lightly - its very childish to be honest for people to throw around terms they don't fully comprehend. You want an abusive relationship? Try Cole to Phoebe. Piper would have been fine if she had little Melinda. Phoebe could have had Wyatt because it'd be way more interesting to have a half-demon child and make him become what Cole failed to be.
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 1:59:55 GMT -5
I will agree to disagree. I feel Piper's character was ruined a lot after Prue's death. She remained somewhat decent in s4 before she totally went off the rocker. I will also ask not to use the term domestic violence lightly - its very childish to be honest for people to throw around terms they don't fully comprehend. You want an abusive relationship? Try Cole to Phoebe. Piper would have been fine if she had little Melinda. Phoebe could have had Wyatt because it'd be way more interesting to have a half-demon child and make him become what Cole failed to be. I'll always wonder about Phoebe and Cole's son. If it could've been her having Wyatt likely named Benjamin in name of Cole's father in S5 than Piper. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:08:03 GMT -5
I will agree to disagree. I feel Piper's character was ruined a lot after Prue's death. She remained somewhat decent in s4 before she totally went off the rocker. I will also ask not to use the term domestic violence lightly - its very childish to be honest for people to throw around terms they don't fully comprehend. You want an abusive relationship? Try Cole to Phoebe. Piper would have been fine if she had little Melinda. Phoebe could have had Wyatt because it'd be way more interesting to have a half-demon child and make him become what Cole failed to be. I'm sorry but blowing up your husband IS domestic violence/abuse. This is LEGIT canon in the show. I find it awful and disgusting, that Piper would do that. Even if you don't want to call it that, blowing up Leo is just NOT cool! Can we (at least) agree on that? I agree Cole & Phoebe is a very toxic relationship, but I still like them because they do work well together, when they're evil together. I find the Phoebe & Cole relationship a bit more tolerable than Piper & Leo's masquerading as "an ideal" relationship -_- |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:13:10 GMT -5
You clearly don't know what domestic violence is so I'll skate past that. Piper wasn't always the nicest to Leo and they had some marital issues and she could be a little unreasonable at times but I won't say she's abusive. Phoebe/Cole is my least favourite relationship.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:22:09 GMT -5
You clearly don't know what domestic violence is so I'll skate past that. OK, Piper blowing up Leo "is not domestic violence" -_- 'Cause women aren't just as abusive as men can be. Piper wasn't always the nicest to Leo and they had some marital issues and she could be a little unreasonable at times but I won't say she's abusive. I'm sorry, but she is abusive towards Leo. When the canon says Piper blows up Leo all the time IS abusive. Just because he can regenerate, he STILL feels the pain, as he said in S5E12 "Centennial Charmed". So, Piper is PHSYICALLY hurting Leo, when she "blows him up all the time". I'm astonished that you're just undermining the severity of this horrible canon. Phoebe/Cole is my least favourite relationship. That's fine. I'm just not gonna pretend that the Piper & Leo relationship is any better, either. I'm aware that the Phoebe & Cole relationship is not idealistic. Neither is the Piper & Leo relationship. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:26:23 GMT -5
I am just going to agree to disagree. People like to be smart by thinking they know abuse.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:29:39 GMT -5
I am just going to agree to disagree. People like to be smart by thinking they know abuse. Piper blowing up Leo is a magical metaphor for hitting Leo which IS abusive. I was even trying to meet you halfway by stating can we agree that Piper blowing up Leo is NOT OK? But, we can't even do that. Amazing. I really don't care what you want to call it. What Piper did is NOT cool, NOT a good thing and not something that should just be swept over under the rug. That's a SERIOUS thing for Piper to do, and she shouldn't be doing it. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:32:48 GMT -5
Hence why the later seasons sucked badly. Piper was not herself. She was OOC post s4 in all honesty but we see remnants of the older Piper again in s8. I agree, Piper's actions were not correct but calling it domestic violence is extreme to me. I work with people every day who've been through domestic violence.
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