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Post by shay321 on Jan 23, 2022 6:01:32 GMT -5
I'm about to start one very sensitive subject So there's a page on twitter about charmed ( charmed_reunion) and two fangirls made this theory about phoebe potentially being bisexual which blew my mind. And the surreal thing is alyssa comfirmed it. I mean im among those people who loved the chemistry between alyssa and charisma and b eing gay myself this post affected me and i want to know whether phoebe could actually had any potential to be gay or it was just alyssa supporting the lgbt's becauze its the sing of times, even though i think alyssa has openly supported the lgbt she even won the Ariadne Getty Ally Award back in 2018. I believe the plot back then wasnt exactly involved with gays and lesbians and it was more about the needs of the plot. For example remeber when piper said in the fourth sister episode ''she is probably at her gay lesbian groop right about now'' she obviously said that becauze she wanted leo to lose his interest for phoebe, it didnt hint anything about phoebe even though it could easily fit phoebe's open mind character hanging out with lgbt people and the funny episode scry hard when two of her colleagues in bay mirror were kinda flirting and phoebe shorta brought them closer in a goofy way. Same thing happend during the kira episode, kira and phoebe wanted something from each other which was important for their livings kira wanted to be human and phoebe wanted confirmation about the avatars so i dont think the writers were interested making #phoera (phoebe and kira) an actual thing they were just using each other. It was just phoebe's empathetic nature that gave this couple-to-be vibe between her and kira. On the other hand i think alyssa and kira have great action-reaction with each other and thats why they could be a couple for a couple of episodes compare to the unstable leslie arc.here are the links. I want to take this opportunity to talk a bit about prue too. Regardless Prue being the least favorite sister of all i think that people are unnecessarily hard about how the episode where she turned into a man '' hasn't aged very well''. I think the ''she's a man baby a man'' episode resembles the difficulties of understanding the qualities and quirks of each sex, how had dating is in general and how hard is to walk on each others' shoes which also resembles how trans people struggle with their new identity to fit in being accepted, loved and understand the opposite sex. Personally i love this episode and prue rocked her trans appearance |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jan 24, 2022 3:38:25 GMT -5
So, I believe Piper's comment hasn't aged well. As she said it as an insult rather than a compliment, but I digress. I don't think Charisma Carpenter was the only one Alyssa Milano had good chemistry with. I do think Danielle Harris was equally on par. Granted, Danielle Harris played a teenager (Aviva), and Alyssa Milano played an adult (Phoebe), but Danielle Harris was (and still is) an adult, during the filming of S1E7 The Fourth Sister. And, their chemistry meshed well, IMO. Though, Charisma Carpenter is correct. Phoebe was trying to manipulate her, for information. The Valkyries, in S6E1-2 Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 1 & 2, did give me lesbian vibes but also fetish vibes. So, their relationships and closeness are often glossed over. Prue being the least favorite sister of all I'm surprised to read this, as I don't feel that she is. Most of the Charmed fandom (that I've run across) worship her, like a Goddess and tend to trash talk the Paige Era because of it. I think Prue is severely overrated but moving on: i think that people are unnecessarily hard about how the episode where she turned into a man '' hasn't aged very well''. I think the ''she's a man baby a man'' episode resembles the difficulties of understanding the qualities and quirks of each sex, how had dating is in general and how hard is to walk on each others' shoes which also resembles how trans people struggle with their new identity to fit in being accepted, loved and understand the opposite sex. Personally i love this episode I've heard this, too. To the point the episode is considered to be "transphobic", but I agree with you.
I have been learning how to make GIFs, and I made a little bit (not a lot) of some LGBTQ+-ish GIFs: Prue & Hanna(I do think Prue and Hanna are cute, together) S1E6 "The Wedding from Hell"  The ValkyriesS6E1 "Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 1"  S6E2 "Vallhalley of the Dolls, Pt 2"  Phoebe & KyraS7E10 "Witchness Protection"   
Do I think Phoebe is bisexual? More like bi-curious, as she seemed to lean more towards men than women. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 6, 2022 0:42:02 GMT -5
I think if the show was made today Phoebe would 100% be bisexual. She probably experimented when she was in NYC.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jan 14, 2024 9:14:43 GMT -5
Moving this conversation over here: Phoebe gave bi energy anyway and I feel in a show in san Francisco there needed more LGBTQ representation Xena and Buffy nailed representation Charmed could've pushed that envelope out a lot moreso I feel ... So the excuse of it was the 90s doesn't cut the mustard overall for me sadly ...charmed could've easily had LGBTQ innocents to protect or villains or regulars ...have Darryl be gay with his partner and adopted kids or something ?! Wyatt as adult form or something ?! Let Phoebe be with the seer in season 7 and be iconic solving crimes using their psychic and premonition powers ... So much untapped potential there in those seasons Absolutely THIS I mean lunchking it's bizarre how the marketing went all out there trying to get male gaze not male gays hehe I reckon spelling was definitely a limiting factor there in terms of having more progressive stories in charmed like gay capital of the universe and diverse in backgrounds not every male had to be a love interest for the sisters Wasted potential there imo to really venture these things and explore different threats I actually lied, earlier, there's more than just Brenda (from S7E4 "Charrrmed!"), as the show's LGBTQ+ representation. There were the two men, Phoebe worked with, in S7E17 "Scry Hard" who are gay, and one of them was flirting with the other. And, Phoebe was subbing in for Elise, and told the clueless one, that the other likes him, so I guess they ended up together, in the end...? Also, IDK if this counts, but Janna & Jayda from S5E17 "Lucky Charmed" seemed rather close, too. Especially for demons. But, yes, I always felt Phoebe was bi or bi-curious. |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 14, 2024 16:24:11 GMT -5
Moving this conversation over here: Phoebe gave bi energy anyway and I feel in a show in san Francisco there needed more LGBTQ representation Xena and Buffy nailed representation Charmed could've pushed that envelope out a lot moreso I feel ... So the excuse of it was the 90s doesn't cut the mustard overall for me sadly ...charmed could've easily had LGBTQ innocents to protect or villains or regulars ...have Darryl be gay with his partner and adopted kids or something ?! Wyatt as adult form or something ?! Let Phoebe be with the seer in season 7 and be iconic solving crimes using their psychic and premonition powers ... So much untapped potential there in those seasons Absolutely THIS I mean lunchking it's bizarre how the marketing went all out there trying to get male gaze not male gays hehe I reckon spelling was definitely a limiting factor there in terms of having more progressive stories in charmed like gay capital of the universe and diverse in backgrounds not every male had to be a love interest for the sisters Wasted potential there imo to really venture these things and explore different threats I actually lied, earlier, there's more than just Brenda (from S7E4 "Charrrmed!"), as the show's LGBTQ+ representation. There were the two men, Phoebe worked with, in S7E17 "Scry Hard" who are gay, and one of them was flirting with the other. And, Phoebe was subbing in for Elise, and told the clueless one, that the other likes him, so I guess they ended up together, in the end...? Also, IDK if this counts, but Janna & Jayda from S5E17 "Lucky Charmed" seemed rather close, too. Especially for demons. But, yes, I always felt Phoebe was bi or bi-curious. Phoebe and the Seer I feel would've been an iconic relationship to explore in season 7  |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 14, 2024 16:25:37 GMT -5
Also found this gay fans edit too template thing ... Charmed was literally so queer coded Yet rarely explored  |
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Post by missjessica on Jan 14, 2024 16:28:42 GMT -5
Moving this conversation over here:I actually lied, earlier, there's more than just Brenda (from S7E4 "Charrrmed!"), as the show's LGBTQ+ representation. There were the two men, Phoebe worked with, in S7E17 "Scry Hard" who are gay, and one of them was flirting with the other. And, Phoebe was subbing in for Elise, and told the clueless one, that the other likes him, so I guess they ended up together, in the end...? Also, IDK if this counts, but Janna & Jayda from S5E17 "Lucky Charmed" seemed rather close, too. Especially for demons. But, yes, I always felt Phoebe was bi or bi-curious. Phoebe and the Seer I feel would've been an iconic relationship to explore in season 7 They could've been great. Phoebe gives off bi energy. I also see potential in Kyra that we never got from Cole with his human arc. Having an ex-demon as part of the cast could've been fun. |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 14, 2024 17:56:39 GMT -5
Phoebe and the Seer I feel would've been an iconic relationship to explore in season 7 They could've been great. Phoebe gives off bi energy. I also see potential in Kyra that we never got from Cole with his human arc. Having an ex-demon as part of the cast could've been fun. Anything for more Charisma in the show would've been iconic she's fabulous like brilliant underrated actress love her as Cordy in Buffy and Angel icon Yeah would've loved that in season 7 |
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Post by missjessica on Jan 14, 2024 18:01:02 GMT -5
They could've been great. Phoebe gives off bi energy. I also see potential in Kyra that we never got from Cole with his human arc. Having an ex-demon as part of the cast could've been fun. Anything for more Charisma in the show would've been iconic she's fabulous like brilliant underrated actress love her as Cordy in Buffy and Angel icon Yeah would've loved that in season 7 It would've been amazing. She was so good on Buffy/Angel. I was shocked and happy when she joined Charmed. It was crazy to see a big actor from Buffy on Charmed (yes I know we've had others, but she was a main character, so it was big promotion I'd imagine). |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 14, 2024 19:31:30 GMT -5
Anything for more Charisma in the show would've been iconic she's fabulous like brilliant underrated actress love her as Cordy in Buffy and Angel icon Yeah would've loved that in season 7 It would've been amazing. She was so good on Buffy/Angel. I was shocked and happy when she joined Charmed. It was crazy to see a big actor from Buffy on Charmed (yes I know we've had others, but she was a main character, so it was big promotion I'd imagine). I think I remember Witchness Protection was most watched episode of season 7 due to the publicity ...I know she had two other episodes but that one was key Phoebe is a queer icon just wished they tapped into it a whole lot more Much like golden girls was a catharsis of 4 gay men represented as 4 older women ... This felt like each sister encapsulated an aspect of homosexual men AND women and queer identity and also combined with femininity, feminism and identity in surviving this world  |
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Post by lunchking on Jan 14, 2024 19:58:29 GMT -5
Anything for more Charisma in the show would've been iconic she's fabulous like brilliant underrated actress love her as Cordy in Buffy and Angel icon Yeah would've loved that in season 7 It would've been amazing. She was so good on Buffy/Angel. I was shocked and happy when she joined Charmed. It was crazy to see a big actor from Buffy on Charmed (yes I know we've had others, but she was a main character, so it was big promotion I'd imagine). I loved her on that show. I was so excited and cheered seeing her on there. She could've been a fun addition. It would've been amazing. She was so good on Buffy/Angel. I was shocked and happy when she joined Charmed. It was crazy to see a big actor from Buffy on Charmed (yes I know we've had others, but she was a main character, so it was big promotion I'd imagine). I think I remember Witchness Protection was most watched episode of season 7 due to the publicity ...I know she had two other episodes but that one was key Phoebe is a queer icon just wished they tapped into it a whole lot more Much like golden girls was a catharsis of 4 gay men represented as 4 older women ... This felt like each sister encapsulated an aspect of homosexual men AND women and queer identity and also combined with femininity, feminism and identity in surviving this world Yeah it got good ratings, the last episode of S7 to reach the figures it got. Yeah, her appearances in the other two are very minimal. Sometimes I forget she was in 3 episodes, because her other two episodes are more like cameos. How do you think the reception would've been if they really did make Phoebe Bi and went there or with Kyra. Forget Spelling and producers not being diverse to do it. But would it stand out and give the show more publicity. I know they had a mixed reception with Buffy when they did Willow/Tara but that was in 2000, so this would be give years later. I don't know how the reception would be for a lead character like Phoebe. The only lead to do so was Ellen in the 90s. Willow and the guy (forgot his name) from Buffy and Dawson's Creek were supporting characters, not one of the leads. So it's a different kind of exposure. |
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Post by chromaticanmomdasia on Jan 15, 2024 9:02:26 GMT -5
It would've been amazing. She was so good on Buffy/Angel. I was shocked and happy when she joined Charmed. It was crazy to see a big actor from Buffy on Charmed (yes I know we've had others, but she was a main character, so it was big promotion I'd imagine). I loved her on that show. I was so excited and cheered seeing her on there. She could've been a fun addition. I think I remember Witchness Protection was most watched episode of season 7 due to the publicity ...I know she had two other episodes but that one was key Phoebe is a queer icon just wished they tapped into it a whole lot more Much like golden girls was a catharsis of 4 gay men represented as 4 older women ... This felt like each sister encapsulated an aspect of homosexual men AND women and queer identity and also combined with femininity, feminism and identity in surviving this world Yeah it got good ratings, the last episode of S7 to reach the figures it got. Yeah, her appearances in the other two are very minimal. Sometimes I forget she was in 3 episodes, because her other two episodes are more like cameos. How do you think the reception would've been if they really did make Phoebe Bi and went there or with Kyra. Forget Spelling and producers not being diverse to do it. But would it stand out and give the show more publicity. I know they had a mixed reception with Buffy when they did Willow/Tara but that was in 2000, so this would be give years later. I don't know how the reception would be for a lead character like Phoebe. The only lead to do so was Ellen in the 90s. Willow and the guy (forgot his name) from Buffy and Dawson's Creek were supporting characters, not one of the leads. So it's a different kind of exposure. Loved willow and Oz but willow and Tara was iconic like so pioneering helped by Alyson hannigan being incredible too So yeah would've been a fab step I mean when willow came out it was a huge deal in 2000 HUGE and it worked perfectly well That was ore will and grace hitting the cultural sweet spot by 2004 post Madonna Britney kiss was a different world ...I think they should've I enjoy season 7 but on my days that would've added a lot more |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 16, 2024 11:01:18 GMT -5
This does come back to Phoebe's BABY craze. It wasn't for a man, it was the baby.
As an aroace, I, too, would love a child. Just don't need nor want the partner.
While I don't agree with the given graphic of queer identities - now I'm thinking about ace/demi Prue and I'm here for it!
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Jan 17, 2024 1:29:13 GMT -5
This does come back to Phoebe's BABY craze. It wasn't for a man, it was the baby. As an aroace, I, too, would love a child. Just don't need nor want the partner. While I don't agree with the given graphic of queer identities - now I'm thinking about ace/demi Prue and I'm here for it! This is the reason why I wanted Phoebe being the one who was pregnant in season five, she would've had the child that needed to be protected and it would have made sense that the Underworld would want to kidnap and raise this child to become the Source of all Evil their birthright, I would have loved if she had a girl named Persephone, it would have such great symbolism, the Goddess of both the Spring and the Underworld, that just would have been beautiful, with her middle name being Nicole, to honour her father, the man she fell in love with. Then Phoebe could have been the one to have met Kyra and they could have form a friendship which could have lead to a romantic relationship, with the three of them taking over the manor. Piper and Leo moving in next door to live a somewhat normal life, then Paige could have gone back to being a Social Worker to create a somewhat personal, professional and prophecy balance. Phoebe would only have one child, since lets be honest, raising her would be a handful. Piper and Leo would have two children, a girl and a boy, completing their nuclear family. Paige and Henry (since I liked Henry for Paige) would be childless, with them being emergency foster parents. |
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Post by Elle Em on Jan 17, 2024 8:12:25 GMT -5
This does come back to Phoebe's BABY craze. It wasn't for a man, it was the baby. As an aroace, I, too, would love a child. Just don't need nor want the partner. While I don't agree with the given graphic of queer identities - now I'm thinking about ace/demi Prue and I'm here for it! This is the reason why I wanted Phoebe being the one who was pregnant in season five, she would've had the child that needed to be protected and it would have made sense that the Underworld would want to kidnap and raise this child to become the Source of all Evil their birthright, I would have loved if she had a girl named Persephone, it would have such great symbolism, the Goddess of both the Spring and the Underworld, that just would have been beautiful, with her middle name being Nicole, to honour her father, the man she fell in love with. Then Phoebe could have been the one to have met Kyra and they could have form a friendship which could have lead to a romantic relationship, with the three of them taking over the manor. Piper and Leo moving in next door to live a somewhat normal life, then Paige could have gone back to being a Social Worker to create a somewhat personal, professional and prophecy balance. Phoebe would only have one child, since lets be honest, raising her would be a handful. Piper and Leo would have two children, a girl and a boy, completing their nuclear family. Paige and Henry (since I liked Henry for Paige) would be childless, with them being emergency foster parents. I like this so much better than what we've got. There would be three kids in the next generation, sort of continuing on the theme of the number three, as well as three women living in the manor again (or two women and a girl while Phoebe's daughter grows up). I like how different relationships are represented with Phoebe and Kira, as well as different family situations. Piper and Leo get the normal life, Phoebe gets the unconventional one, and Paige and Henry can be a lifeline for kids who need them. |
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Post by coophalliwell on Mar 15, 2024 17:17:32 GMT -5
I recently watched the Valkyries episode & loved seeing Melissa George in there, as well as that incredible attractive lady who would later be on The CW's The 100.
Wasn't at least one of the characters on 2018 Charmed gay or bi?
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Post by zachary on Mar 16, 2024 14:48:07 GMT -5
I recently watched the Valkyries episode & loved seeing Melissa George in there, as well as that incredible attractive lady who would later be on The CW's The 100. Wasn't at least one of the characters on 2008 Charmed gay or bi? Not the main cast, no, but there was an LGBT character in the Pirate episode, as well as an LGBT character in the episode Scry Hard.. Both are sooo general that they're easily forgettable. |
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Post by pheebs on Mar 16, 2024 14:50:27 GMT -5
I recently watched the Valkyries episode & loved seeing Melissa George in there, as well as that incredible attractive lady who would later be on The CW's The 100. Wasn't at least one of the characters on 2008 Charmed gay or bi? Not the main cast, no, but there was an LGBT character in the Pirate episode, as well as an LGBT character in the episode Scry Hard.. Both are sooo general that they're easily forgettable. I think they were talking about the Reboot. I know they said 2008 Charmed but think they meant 2018 Charmed reboot. And as far as I know yes one of the lead Charmed Ones was gay. |
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Post by zachary on Mar 16, 2024 17:02:00 GMT -5
Not the main cast, no, but there was an LGBT character in the Pirate episode, as well as an LGBT character in the episode Scry Hard.. Both are sooo general that they're easily forgettable. I think they were talking about the Reboot. I know they said 2008 Charmed but think they meant 2018 Charmed reboot. And as far as I know yes one of the lead Charmed Ones was gay. Ohh gotcha, yeah I didn't think of 2018 at all. Yeah Mel was defff gay. Thanks for the help!! |
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Post by coophalliwell on Mar 17, 2024 6:48:12 GMT -5
You know you're gettin' old when you're only off by a DECADE, LOL!
I watched the new Charmed with my daughter, she thought it was good at first, but then it got diluted or something.
At least it was better than the rebooted Roswell.
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