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Post by rebooted on Jun 23, 2023 20:54:12 GMT -5
Inspired by the S1 vs. S2 thread by Aaeiyn.
Time to chose between S2 and S3.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jun 23, 2023 21:35:26 GMT -5
So, old me would've picked S3, but I'mma pick S2 'cause it is objectively the better season with stronger episodes. Not to say S3 is bad (which is where I disagree with the board). I (probably) like S3 more than most (not all) of this board. I expect this board to pick S2, though.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 23, 2023 21:53:20 GMT -5
Despite the stupid triangle, I definitely prefer S2 over S3 (and S4 and S5 aand s6 and S7 and S8, but not S1)
I don't like the changes in the sisters in S3; I much prefer them in S2, even if I don't like how Piper treats Leo and Dan. The funny thing is that if it ended when I feel it should've...when Shax says "The end", I'd probably prefer S3 over S2. It's knowing how what happens during S3 that sets up what happened in S4-8 that makes me dislike it. Now if rather than 'Witch Way Now' as S4's season ender, a form of 'Something Wicca This Way Goes?' was the SERIES finale, my feelings would be toally different.
I also much prefer the many standalone episodes in S2 (many favorites in there) over the story arc in S3-S8. The fact that the Phoebe/Cole story arc is my least-favorite of the entire series is part of that. Again, without S5, I would react differently to it. My only favorites in S3 are "All Halliwell's Eve', 'Once Upon a Time', "The Good, The Bad and the Cursed', 'Pre-Witched' and 'Sin Francisco', most great standalones.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 24, 2023 2:11:55 GMT -5
Although Season 2 and Season 3 were both good in their separate ways I still pick 2 over 3 just for the overall feel of the show for me.
Don't get me wrong Season 2 did have some things I didn't like about it namely the start of where the sexy clothes came in, the love triangle between Piper, Leo, and Dan, and certain changes in show consistency like with ghosts for instance but over that it still had sisterhood, Phoebe the carefree loving spirited person she was who adored magic, good standalone episodes, Prue dealing with Andy's death, great innocents like Maggie Murphy, and Connie Burge was somewhat still in control of the show for the time being.
That changed when Kernus became the showrunner from Season 3.
Men being focal points over innocents started creeping in but not solely like in later seasons obviously, and Phoebe's personality changed when she lied to her sisters about Cole when her Season 2 self probably wouldn't have then but it still had great standalone episodes in itself here with the fairies being one, "All Halliwell's Eve." a second and the one with Phoebe linked to Bo Lightfeather a third of course.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jun 24, 2023 20:48:59 GMT -5
Men being focal points over innocents started creeping in but not solely like in later seasons obviously, and Phoebe's personality changed when she lied to her sisters about Cole when her Season 2 self probably wouldn't have then but it still had great standalone episodes in itself here with the fairies being one, "All Halliwell's Eve." a second and the one with Phoebe linked to Bo Lightfeather a third of course. I was with you, until this point of contention. I still don't think S3 "started", anything especially about the men part. TBH, I don't feel like that aspect of the show really changed. Andy was just as much as a focus, in S1 and probably had more story arcs going for him than Piper. And, OFC, the love triangle of S2. I agree, probably not as bad as later seasons, but I feel like S3 is just about the same as S1-S2. Just with a different character via Cole. I don't see how Phoebe's personality "changed" because I ALWAYS viewed her, as a liar. We've seen her lie BEFORE S3. Episodes like S1E20 "The Power of Two" & S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans". Phoebe lies, when its convenient, for her. I don't like S1E14 "Secrets & Guys" retconning that Phoebe "can't keep a secret", when she ABSOLUTELY can! I feel like I'm the only one, NOT surprised by Phoebe's shady and scandalous ways. It's just her character and even S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?" showcases this. Even if Phoebe wasn't in love with Cole, I don't really see her vanquishing Cole, still. Since, good 'ol S2E2 "Morality Bites" is about "protecting the innocent" and not "punishing the guilty", vanquishing Cole back in S3E8 "Sleuthing with the Enemy" would just be "punishing the guilty", in my eyes. If he MUST be punished, it shouldn't be death but jail time, like Bane, back in S2E15 "Give Me a Sign". Especially, since Cole seemed willing to change. The rest of your post, I do agree with, though. |
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S2 or S3?
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Post by Katie Warren on Jun 24, 2023 22:33:02 GMT -5
I don't mind S3. But I just think S2 is a more fun season to pop on despite some episodes dealing with death and emotional episodes here and there. I just like how comfortable and easy going S2 is than S3 and S4 which are so dramatic and dark.
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Post by rebooted on Jun 25, 2023 5:08:54 GMT -5
I don't mind S3. But I just think S2 is a more fun season to pop on despite some episodes dealing with death and emotional episodes here and there. I just like how comfortable and easy going S2 is than S3 and S4 which are so dramatic and dark. I think Season 3 has better cinematography, directing and acting but the stories in Season 2 for me are more relatable - finding love, changing careers, being more responsible etc with the lessons. I dont really mind the love triangle because I do like Dan. And I also like how they are after Piper, the less outwardly sister. Season 3 makes me think of the beginning of the end a little, especially because you know how it ends up and finishes so abruptly and out of character. I also think there is too much focus on Cole. I chose Season 2. |
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Post by goldeneye049 on Jun 25, 2023 11:18:40 GMT -5
Season 2.
The love triangle tires me. Piper, who doesn't like being a witch anymore, depresses me. But the relationship between the sisters is huge. There is no tension and we have three episodes with a moral.
I hate Phoebe in Season 3 for lying to her sisters and never listening to Prue. I don't like Cole. When he kills a witch, he should never have come back. I'm not a fan of love stories especially when they never end. Prue's sad death is an insult. I liked the idea that we had the triad, balthazar and soon the source. But the sisters didn't kill any of them.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Jun 25, 2023 18:19:19 GMT -5
Since, I did my listings for other polls, I'll do it here, too and see if my vote holds up:
S3E1 "The Honeymoon's Over"
S3E2 "Magic Hour"/S2E2 "Morality Bites"
S2E3 "The Painted World"/S3E3 "Once Upon a Time"
S2E4 "The Devil's Music"/S3E4 "All Halliwell's Eve"
S2E5 "She's a Man, Baby, a Man!"/S3E5 "Sight Unseen"
S2E6 "That Old Black Magic"/S3E6 "Primrose Empath"
S2E7 "They're Everywhere"/S3E7 "Power Outage"
S3E8 "Sleuthing with the Enemy"
S3E9 "Coyote Piper"/S2E9 "Ms. Hellfire"
S3E10 "We all Scream for Ice Cream"
S3E11 "Blinded by the Whitelighter"
S3E12 "Wrestling with Demons"
S2E13 "Animal Pragmatism"
S3E14 "The Good, the Bad & the Cursed"
S2E15 "Give Me a Sign"
S3E16 "Death Takes a Halliwell"
S3E17 "Pe-Witched"/S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans"
S2E18 "Chick Flick"/S3E18 "Sin Francisco"
S2E19 "Ex Libris"
S2E20 "Astral Monkey"/S3E20 "Exit Strategy"
S2E21 "Apocalypse, Not"
S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For"
Totals
S2 = 12/15
S3 = 10/17
Still picking S2 'cause I have more "must see" S2 episodes than S3.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 9, 2024 18:18:31 GMT -5
Surprised to see S3 winning over S2 especially on this board :/
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 10, 2024 3:03:04 GMT -5
BTW, I switched to S3 because of the PO3 theming. Still surprised to see S3 winning over S2. Did not expect to see that kind of a result, for this board.
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Post by lunchking on Nov 10, 2024 3:24:24 GMT -5
Voted S3. I like it after S1. First half of S3 is very strong.
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Post by greta on Nov 10, 2024 15:36:53 GMT -5
No hesitation to vote S3. My mind was made up the second my eyes gazed at this thread from the main page. LOL
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 1:38:02 GMT -5
No hesitation to vote S3. My mind was made up the second my eyes gazed at this thread from the main page. LOL I'm surprised by this actually LOL I didn't suspect you to be a S3 > S2 fan TBH LOL |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 1:54:21 GMT -5
Men being focal points over innocents started creeping in but not solely like in later seasons obviously, and Phoebe's personality changed when she lied to her sisters about Cole when her Season 2 self probably wouldn't have then but it still had great standalone episodes in itself here with the fairies being one, "All Halliwell's Eve." a second and the one with Phoebe linked to Bo Lightfeather a third of course. I was with you, until this point of contention. I still don't think S3 "started", anything especially about the men part. TBH, I don't feel like that aspect of the show really changed. Andy was just as much as a focus, in S1 and probably had more story arcs going for him than Piper. And, OFC, the love triangle of S2. I agree, probably not as bad as later seasons, but I feel like S3 is just about the same as S1-S2. Just with a different character via Cole. I don't see how Phoebe's personality "changed" because I ALWAYS viewed her, as a liar. We've seen her lie BEFORE S3. Episodes like S1E20 "The Power of Two" & S2E17 "How to Make a Quilt Out of Americans". Phoebe lies, when its convenient, for her. I don't like S1E14 "Secrets & Guys" retconning that Phoebe "can't keep a secret", when she ABSOLUTELY can! I feel like I'm the only one, NOT surprised by Phoebe's shady and scandalous ways. It's just her character and even S1E15 "Is There a Woogy, in the House?" showcases this. Even if Phoebe wasn't in love with Cole, I don't really see her vanquishing Cole, still. Since, good 'ol S2E2 "Morality Bites" is about "protecting the innocent" and not "punishing the guilty", vanquishing Cole back in S3E8 "Sleuthing with the Enemy" would just be "punishing the guilty", in my eyes. If he MUST be punished, it shouldn't be death but jail time, like Bane, back in S2E15 "Give Me a Sign". Especially, since Cole seemed willing to change. The rest of your post, I do agree with, though. I agree with everything you said except about Cole. Cole literally only came into Phoebe's life to kill her. He was a demon. Punishing the guilty - if you consider it that, then every demon they vanquished is punishing the guilty. Jeremy was Piper's love interest in S1 E1. Vanquishing a demon is not punishing the guilty, its protecting the innocent. Its protecting the Power of Three. Phoebe was weak when it came to Cole but in the end, made the right choice. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:02:03 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said except about Cole. Cole literally only came into Phoebe's life to kill her. He was a demon. Punishing the guilty - if you consider it that, then every demon they vanquished is punishing the guilty. Jeremy was Piper's love interest in S1 E1. Vanquishing a demon is not punishing the guilty, its protecting the innocent. Its protecting the Power of Three. Phoebe was weak when it came to Cole but in the end, made the right choice. I'm going to quote your girl Prue from S1E18 "When Bad Warlocks Go Good": "he's not just a demon, he's a human, too". IK you're not a fan of S1E22 "Deja Vu, all Over, Again", but even your girl Prue was willing to let a full on demon go free. As she told Andy, in "heaven" (I guess?), she was going to kill Rodriguez for killing Andy, but Andy told her "no", that she's a "good person" who "does good things". She attempted to give Rodriguez a second chance before he blew it. And, Rodriguez is a FULL on DEMON! Aside from that, Cole IS "half human" who is struggling and needs help. Vanquishing him wasn't a solution. I actually do have a problem when the Charmed Ones go demon hunting. I prefer the Charmed Ones stumbling across them, on accident and not actively hunting every demon. I mean, Kyra was wanting to be made fully human in S7E10 "Witchness Protection", for goodness sake! So, it IS possible, for demons to be good. Look at Drake from S7E14 "Carpe Demon" - S7E16 "The Seven Year Witch". ANOTHER full on demon who didn't deserved to be vanquished merely for being a "demon". This is why I said Charmed (despite being about "witches") aligns more with the Christian faith (in a different thread talking about Christianity) than most fans of the show realize. As Christianity is about REDEMPTION rather than CONDEMNATION. So, yes, I had a BIG problem with how the Charmed Ones treated Cole throughout S5A, along with Prue's hypocritical stance about it all, throughout S3. Apparently, it's only OK if Prue forgives demons but not Phoebe :/ |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:10:51 GMT -5
Prue was also willing to kill Brendan if it came down to it. She told him too that "is this what it comes down to? You kill me and I kill you?". I have Christian friends who may agree with you but Cole deserved to die. He was given chances but he threw them back in their face. He made Phoebe the queen of the underworld, tried to kill Paige, he was only forced to save her because he'd be exposed otherwise.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:17:24 GMT -5
Prue was also willing to kill Brendan if it came down to it. She told him too that "is this what it comes down to? You kill me and I kill you?". Yes, and Phoebe would've done the same about Cole, as well, if he threatened her life (or her sisters, as seen in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen"). Cole should've STAYED dead back in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen". He made Phoebe the queen of the underworld, tried to kill Paige, he was only forced to save her because he'd be exposed otherwise. I see. You're in the camp of "Cole was not possessed by the Source". I'm a bit torn if he was or wasn't only because the writers weren't consistent with their own lore/canon, but I digress. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:19:10 GMT -5
But she didn't. He kidnapped her and could have killed her. Prue didn't get kidnapped by Brendan, she chose to go after him.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:26:53 GMT -5
Because he wasn't going to kill her, anymore? He kidnapped her and could have killed her. He wasn't going to kill her. Piper (surprisingly) was right and correct that Cole wasn't going to hurt Phoebe, in that VERY episode. He had so many chances to but he never took them. He could've killed her back in S3E7 "Power Outage" but didn't. He wasn't going to kill Phoebe. He "kidnapped her" as a rouse, to outsmart Krell and run away. Even Belthazor himself said he was really hiding. Prue didn't get kidnapped by Brendan, she chose to go after him. And, unlike Cole, Cole wasn't struggling to kill her like Brendan was to Prue, in S1E18 "When Bad Warlocks Go Good". Different things were going on in these episodes. Cole had no problem going back to himself, unlike Brendan. |
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