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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:29:18 GMT -5
Cole only became close to Phoebe to kill her and her sisters. He tried to wipe out her entire line. Do you really thinking Melinda Warren being raised by evil wouldn't have changed their history? Brendan was under a spell by her brothers. Cole was under his own influence.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:33:28 GMT -5
Cole only became close to Phoebe to kill her and her sisters. He tried to wipe out her entire line. Do you really thinking Melinda Warren being raised by evil wouldn't have changed their history? Yes, this is typical "bad boy falls in love with good girl" trope, in ANY story trying to promote this. IK ALL these writing patterns in entertainment. Whether it be this trope, the time traveling, the "destined" canon, etc. It's ALL the same. Just like how you don't mind the "destined" canons, I don't mind the "bad boy falls in love with good girl" trope LOL Brendan was under a spell by her brothers. Cole was under his own influence. Didn't he claim to be under a spell in S3E20 "Exit Strategy"? And despite Cole risking his safety, he chose to protect Phoebe, at all costs instead. He became a fugitive, for Phoebe. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:36:13 GMT -5
You're clearly a big Cole fan, I can tell while I hate him. I don't mind the trope of bad boy/good girl but Charmed did it horribly. Phoebe/Cole ruined Phoebe's character because she hurt her sisters multiple times over him. Phoebe's relationship with other men was more balanced. Clay was also a bad boy but Phoebe chose her sisters over him.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 2:42:03 GMT -5
You're clearly a big Cole fan, I can tell while I hate him. I do like his character because a lot of us are like him, even though we should strive to do better. I'm frustrated with how the writers dealt with him and believe he should've stayed dead in S4E20 "Long Live the Queen". I don't mind the trope of bad boy/good girl but Charmed did it horribly. I'll definitely agree with that. Phoebe/Cole ruined Phoebe's character because she hurt her sisters multiple times over him. Can you give me an example? Please don't say "she lied to them" because she's lied to her sisters, on MULTIPLE occasions. She's a known liar, in the show, and it shouldn't be surprising, when she does. Phoebe's relationship with other men was more balanced. Clay was also a bad boy but Phoebe chose her sisters over him. Only because he wasn't staying in SF. Cole still stayed in SF. I do like Clay, as well LOL He's always forgotten about, when it comes to that "C" in S3E4 "All Halliwell's Eve". |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 2:49:34 GMT -5
I don't mind Phoebe lying to her sisters for Cole. But the way she treated Piper in Saving Private Leo was downright horrible. I don't mind Phoebe being in a relationship but the Charmed Ones come first. Prue put being a Charmed One over her relationship with Andy. Piper even put her relationship with Leo aside when it could have cost them an innocent.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 3:02:44 GMT -5
But the way she treated Piper in Saving Private Leo was downright horrible. To be fair, vanquishing ghosts does NOT require the PO3. It never did. I feel like Charmed missed A LOT of opportunity in highlighting the "PO3" factor. Something, I've been going over, in other threads (and why, I dislike Prue "being the strongest" taking away from the "PO3" concept, but I digress). ANY witch (NOT a Charmed One) can vanquish a ghost. Why do ALL THREE of the Charmed Ones need to be present for that? That doesn't make any sense, to me. So, when a threat REQUIRES the PO3, is when we should worry about their mannerisms. Which is why Billie is correct, in S8E5 "Rewitched" (which thankfully, Phoebe realized, a little late but still realized it) about how the Charmed Ones were needed, and that Billie (though quite the powerful witch, herself) couldn't just vanquish any 'ol demon, that she wanted. She was only able to vanquish the Imp Master, yet Antosis was still a threat that needed to be vanquished. That being said, Phoebe is correct. How long should they keep their lives on hold for? Piper didn't change her mind about no longer wanting to move out of the Manor (in S3E17 "Prewitched") because of their destiny. She didn't want to take the risk of damaging her relationship with her sisters. She was afraid to test their relationship by moving out, after they all had just moved back in, together. I don't mind Phoebe being in a relationship but the Charmed Ones come first. Prue put being a Charmed One over her relationship with Andy. Piper even put her relationship with Leo aside when it could have cost them an innocent. To which, Phoebe still did her Charmed duty in S4E18 "Bite Me" & S4E19 "We're off to See the Wizard". Including S4E17 "Saving Private Leo". 'Cause, again, why do ALL THREE of the Charmed Ones need to be there, when it doesn't require the PO3? Phoebe didn't tell Piper about Jackson Ward, when she called in S1E20 "The Power of Two" because Phoebe is correct. Why worry Piper, when it doesn't concern the PO3? |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 3:25:08 GMT -5
If all three don't need to be there and Phoebe's going on about putting their life on hold, its not Charmed anymore. Phoebe forgot how much she loved magic due to Cole and started treating it like a burden. If its not the Power of Three, I could be watching Sabrina the Teenage Witch instead.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 3:32:23 GMT -5
If all three don't need to be there and Phoebe's going on about putting their life on hold, its not Charmed anymore. I agree which is why I like it when ALL THREE of them are REQUIRED to be there. And, I mean the threat should be something ONLY THEY can vanquish and not any 'ol witch can vanquish which is what A LOT of the show is. The only PO3 threat I can think of for S2 is Dragon Warlock in S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For". The other threats, in S2, ANY 'ol witch can vanquish. Phoebe forgot how much she loved magic due to Cole and started treating it like a burden. Yet, she chose Cole because she enjoyed being Queen of the Underworld because Phoebe likes power, not necessarily the magic, itself. As later seasons demonstrates, the magic wasn't satisfying her the way she had hoped it would. If its not the Power of Three, I could be watching Sabrina the Teenage Witch instead. I'd still watch Charmed even if it wasn't about the PO3, I enjoy the Charmed universe (doesn't necessarily have to be JUST the sisters) which is different than Sabrina & the Teenage Witch. I like the world that the show has created, BEYOND the sisters. The world AROUND the sisters is JUST as important as the PO3. I don't think the PO3 would work, if the universe isn't as intriguing. For example, I do NOT like the Harry Potter character, but I LOVE the universe he's in. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 3:41:10 GMT -5
Wow, you're quite unpopular in terms of opinions lol. Usually, I'm the odd one out because I can't find myself agreeing with any of your opinions even though the other opinions here I've read, I can understand them at least.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 3:50:09 GMT -5
Wow, you're quite unpopular in terms of opinions lol. Yes, I hold a lot of unpopular opinions LOL Not just with Charmed, either. Other fandoms, apparently, I think differently from them, too xD I'm used to it. BUT, that doesn't mean my mind can't change. And, I HAVE changed my mind. This doesn't mean I don't understand my opposition because I do and even try really hard to see things their way. Usually, I'm the odd one out because I can't find myself agreeing with any of your opinions even though the other opinions here I've read, I can understand them at least. Disagreeing with an opinion doesn't mean I don't understand the opinion. I merely disagree with the road taken to reach said opinion, that's all. Yes, this board definitely aligns with you, in many ways which is why everything you're saying isn't a surprise, for me ;P I've heard it all before. But, again, I am opened to change my mind and HAVE changed my mind  |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 3:55:08 GMT -5
No, I like it to be honest. It's refreshing. I'm like that with my other fandoms - I think very differently to most people. With Charmed, it was a show for me - Prue especially that helped me feel a little less weird as a woman. I'm uptight, a little too stubborn and struggle with my emotions. I'm the protective type and I always put other's needs before my own.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 3:58:46 GMT -5
No, I like it to be honest. It's refreshing. I'm like that with my other fandoms - I think very differently to most people. With Charmed, it was a show for me - Prue especially that helped me feel a little less weird as a woman. I'm uptight, a little too stubborn and struggle with my emotions. I'm the protective type and I always put other's needs before my own. Same. I like differing opinions. I used to rank S6 & S5 MUCH higher than I do, now and ranked S2 MUCH lower than I do, now. I remember ranking S2 second to last or whatever and having put S5 in mid-tier with S6 in my "Top 3" xD I find myself aligning more with this board, as we continue to discuss and see each other's perspectives. I can see myself being a S1-S4 fan, if S5-S8 didn't have interesting episodes, for me, to relate to and enjoy ;P |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 4:01:24 GMT -5
I don't mind s2 but I admit I don't understand Piper's transition from s1 to s2. Piper wanted to own her own restaurant not own a club. Would she even be cooking in P3?
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 4:03:53 GMT -5
I don't mind s2 but I admit I don't understand Piper's transition from s1 to s2. Piper wanted to own her own restaurant not own a club. Would she even be cooking in P3? With all the BTS drama really explains S2's lackluster feel. Network vs the Producers. Network wanting "sexier" outfits & band promotions for numbers rather than Producers worried more about story. |
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Post by lunchking on Nov 14, 2024 4:09:04 GMT -5
Yeah, it was BTS drama across all players: Cast, Writers, and the Network. Everyone is partly to blame. I don't know who to point the finger at. Everyone saw the show differently and had different ideas. It sucks. However the actors started trying to get more involved with the direction and continued doing so as the show went on. Prue's photography was Shannen's idea.
S1 is the most authentic season out of all eight with the least interference and stuck most to Connie's original vision and the least the actresses had their input into the show I believe.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 14, 2024 4:11:06 GMT -5
Yeah, it was BTS drama across all players: Cast, Writers, and the Network. Everyone is partly to blame. I don't know who to point the finger at. Everyone saw the show differently and had different ideas. It sucks. However the actors started trying to get more involved with the direction and continued doing so as the show went on. Prue's photography was Shannen's idea. S1 is the most authentic season out of all eight with the least interference and stuck most to Connie's original vision and the least the actresses had their input into the show I believe. Yep. S1 does feel the least tainted LOL HOWEVER, it IS Prue heavy, and I've already gone over all that, but that's the story Connie wanted to tell so LOL |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 5:21:40 GMT -5
I feel S3 got a little too Prue focused at times if I'm honest just like s5 was very Piper focused. S1 is my favourite too, I think there are very few episodes I didn't like or weren't interesting to me.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 14, 2024 5:35:52 GMT -5
I prefer S2 to S3 more for the storylines and not having any overall arcs then but good stand along episodes which interested me more like Murphy's Luck for instance despite S3 still having some alright ones like the one with the trolls and fairies.
The sisters felt more closer to me as siblings but then Cole wasn't in the series and men weren't the be all and end all but got equal screen time as well though I wasn't too keen on the Piper/Leo/Dan love triangle obviously.
I also enjoyed how they dealt with Prue's grief over Andy and not just had her get over him quickly which having been a childhood friend and ex boyfriend is understandable although I do wish he had stayed being one of my favourite supporting characters in S1 and his partnership with Darryl then.
In terms of whether the sisters had to be demons hunters or not I liked the moral stance in S1 of them been protectors of the innocent which should've been the main theme throughout so they didn't actively seek out evil like Piper after Prue's death but if one attacked them or any friends and family or when Phoebe got a premonition then yes the Charmed Ones vanquished them.
Regarding Cole I do think had he not fell in love with Phoebe the man would've done what the Triad ordered and have eventually killed the sisters but Phoebe put a spanner in the works in that department naturally.
Yes I completely agree Cole should've stayed dead post Long Live The Queen and been spared the farce he got in S5A or at least left after the first episode in S5 agreeing to divorce Phoebe amicably with the time she spent as a mermaid making her realise the part she played in Cole becoming who he was actually had the writers bothered to think and then she could've used S5 to work on herself and fall in love with magic again.
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Post by prueislove on Nov 14, 2024 7:50:15 GMT -5
Whoever the main writer was for s5 clearly had no brains to be honest. I think if they wanted to keep Cole in, they could have had another love triangle. Maybe bring Coop in early and have him help Phoebe open her heart again but they fall in love in the process and the mid-season ends with Phoebe/Cole getting some closure and him divorcing her so she could be happy.
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Post by West on Nov 14, 2024 11:47:18 GMT -5
Whoever the main writer was for s5 clearly had no brains to be honest. I think if they wanted to keep Cole in, they could have had another love triangle. Maybe bring Coop in early and have him help Phoebe open her heart again but they fall in love in the process and the mid-season ends with Phoebe/Cole getting some closure and him divorcing her so she could be happy. The main writer was Brad Kern who was showrunner until the end and after Constance M. Burge left. |
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