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Post by rebooted on Oct 4, 2023 19:11:17 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the other day.
Do we hear about whitelighters before Sam and Patty's time?
I feel like whitelighters came about after WW2 after it's mass destruction and to provide for an extra layer of support.
Kind of like how the National Health Care service (UK Public Health Care system) and other free health care systems were created after WW2.
Because otherwise there would have def been hybrid witches in other lines - not just 400 years after Melinda Warren.
Its also hard to believe that the Witch Trials would have happened without whitelighters and the elders being there to intervene.
I think that whitelighters were only introduced after or during WW2 to balance out the evilness of that era.
Thoughts?
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Post by aggiefan12 on Oct 5, 2023 0:06:10 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the other day. Do we hear about whitelighters before Sam and Patty's time? I feel like whitelighters came about after WW2 after it's mass destruction and to provide for an extra layer of support. Kind of like how the National Health Care service (UK Public Health Care system) and other free health care systems were created after WW2. Because otherwise there would have def been hybrid witches in other lines - not just 400 years after Melinda Warren. Its also hard to believe that the Witch Trials would have happened without whitelighters and the elders being there to intervene. I think that whitelighters were only introduced after or during WW2 to balance out the evilness of that era. Thoughts? We don't know when Sam died and became a Whitelighter but it had to be way before WW2 since he was teacher of the year in 1872 in the show. The comic books back this up when Leo was explaining the Whitelighters origin story. While witches and whitelighters can interbreed with one another they were not allowed to by the Elders who deemed it complicated and dangerous although maybe their might be some exceptions to the rule since we saw a hybrid named Simon Marks in season 8 who wanted to marry Paige. I guess with the Salem Witch Trials neither the Elders or Whitelightes felt it was necessary to intervene or the Angels of Destiny told them not to interfere . |
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Post by zachary on Oct 5, 2023 10:59:24 GMT -5
I was thinking about this the other day. Do we hear about whitelighters before Sam and Patty's time? I feel like whitelighters came about after WW2 after it's mass destruction and to provide for an extra layer of support. Kind of like how the National Health Care service (UK Public Health Care system) and other free health care systems were created after WW2. Because otherwise there would have def been hybrid witches in other lines - not just 400 years after Melinda Warren. Its also hard to believe that the Witch Trials would have happened without whitelighters and the elders being there to intervene. I think that whitelighters were only introduced after or during WW2 to balance out the evilness of that era. Thoughts? We don't know when Sam died and became a Whitelighter but it had to be way before WW2 since he was teacher of the year in 1872 in the show. The comic books back this up when Leo was explaining the Whitelighters origin story. While witches and whitelighters can interbreed with one another they were not allowed to by the Elders who deemed it complicated and dangerous although maybe their might be some exceptions to the rule since we saw a hybrid named Simon Marks in season 8 who wanted to marry Paige. I guess with the Salem Witch Trials neither the Elders or Whitelightes felt it was necessary to intervene or the Angels of Destiny told them not to interfere . This is a great explanation, because for a minute, I was really thinking about what Rebooted said! It would've made a lot of sense if Whitelighters were introduced shortly after Grams' time, since we weren't even told whether she had one or not. |
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Post by aggiefan12 on Oct 5, 2023 22:12:58 GMT -5
We don't know when Sam died and became a Whitelighter but it had to be way before WW2 since he was teacher of the year in 1872 in the show. The comic books back this up when Leo was explaining the Whitelighters origin story. While witches and whitelighters can interbreed with one another they were not allowed to by the Elders who deemed it complicated and dangerous although maybe their might be some exceptions to the rule since we saw a hybrid named Simon Marks in season 8 who wanted to marry Paige. I guess with the Salem Witch Trials neither the Elders or Whitelightes felt it was necessary to intervene or the Angels of Destiny told them not to interfere . This is a great explanation, because for a minute, I was really thinking about what Rebooted said! It would've made a lot of sense if Whitelighters were introduced shortly after Grams' time, since we weren't even told whether she had one or not. Originally Whitelighters were like a temporary guide or mentor for new witches on the show but that all changed after season 1 when Ted King left the show and the showrunners decided to make Brian Krause a regular cast member. |
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Post by rebooted on Oct 13, 2023 18:05:40 GMT -5
This is a great explanation, because for a minute, I was really thinking about what Rebooted said! It would've made a lot of sense if Whitelighters were introduced shortly after Grams' time, since we weren't even told whether she had one or not. Originally Whitelighters were like a temporary guide or mentor for new witches on the show but that all changed after season 1 when Ted King left the show and the showrunners decided to make Brian Krause a regular cast member. So maybe after the Boer war or before WW1 perhaps? It seems like witches were by themselves and the Elders were created by a group of Council witches alongside ghosts and other magical beings. I don't feel like WHiTELiGHTeRS were around before Sam's time as a human. Note edit - I meant to say whitelighters above not wiches |
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Post by aggiefan12 on Oct 14, 2023 11:51:40 GMT -5
Originally Whitelighters were like a temporary guide or mentor for new witches on the show but that all changed after season 1 when Ted King left the show and the showrunners decided to make Brian Krause a regular cast member. So maybe after the Boer war or before WW1 perhaps? It seems like witches were by themselves and the Elders were created by a group of Council witches alongside ghosts and other magical beings. I don't feel like witches were around before Sam's time as a human. Don't know when Sam died decided to be a White lighter Elders by themselves have been around since the earth was new according to the comic books if we go by that. I'm pretty sure witches were around way before Sam's time or we wouldn't have had Melinda Warren the Charmed Ones ancestor and every witches bloodline traces back to the very first witch that set foot on this earth. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 14, 2023 12:52:33 GMT -5
We don't know when Sam died and became a Whitelighter but it had to be way before WW2 since he was teacher of the year in 1872 in the show. The comic books back this up when Leo was explaining the Whitelighters origin story. While witches and whitelighters can interbreed with one another they were not allowed to by the Elders who deemed it complicated and dangerous although maybe their might be some exceptions to the rule since we saw a hybrid named Simon Marks in season 8 who wanted to marry Paige. I guess with the Salem Witch Trials neither the Elders or Whitelightes felt it was necessary to intervene or the Angels of Destiny told them not to interfere . This is a great explanation, because for a minute, I was really thinking about what Rebooted said! It would've made a lot of sense if Whitelighters were introduced shortly after Grams' time, since we weren't even told whether she had one or not. Well, in S1 they say that witches didn't know they had a whitelighter - that the whitelighter kept themselves hidden. Obviously somehow Patty found out about hers the way Piper found out about theirs. I'm sure they were around since the beginning of time, like witches, warlocks, Elders, etc. Of course, this is only true for what I count as the "real" Charmed - S1-2. You take what happens once Kern was in charge, in what I count as the alternate-universe spin-off (S3-8), and they'd do whatever fit the episode, no matter if it agreed with what happened before or not. For those seasons, I think it's best to just count each episode as a separate series, which is funny since those seasons are more episodic and should be more consistent with what happened before - and if you skip S1-2, they mostly are, but still only do what fits that particular episode, no matter if it's consistent with what happened before or not. Most fans agree that it's Charmed's worst problem - being consistent. Even S1-2 often isn't consistent, but not as bad as S3-8. |
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Post by Katie Warren on Oct 14, 2023 14:10:49 GMT -5
I always take it they were all around for a very long time both witches and whitelighters. It's just they were all mostly in secret and unknown until more recent times. Obviously, canon rules changed in terms of Whitelighters later on. But as Es pointed out. The show was never consistent with its lore. For the most part, every episode has its own continuity that doesn't connect episode to episode.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 14, 2023 15:41:25 GMT -5
Even S1-2 often isn't consistent, but not as bad as S3-8. IDK, S2 changed quite a bit of what was established back in S1. S2 Prue is completely different from her S1 counterpart. Same with S2 Piper being NOTHING like her S1 counterpart. In fact, S2 Piper pretty much sucks. Along with the constant changing of what whitelighters can and cannot heal, even though S1 established they can heal anything, but I digress. Along with the changing of how to vanquish a ghost, in S2E11 "Reckless Abandon" compared to what S1 had already established. And, the out of nowhwhere Phoebe's "lost of interest" in Dan, from S2E1 "Witch Trial" to S2E3 "The Painted World", so quickly. And, Piper's one episode stand with the banker guy. And, I don't like Barbas' return, as it breaks his lore, back in S1. Again, S2 broke A LOT of what S1 had already established. For me, everytime a new season begins, that season is its own lore. Seeing as how I don't think S2 has ANY relation to S1, at all besides in name and characters. The closest seasons, I believe come close to being consistent with each other, at all are S3-S4. Otherwise, IMO, I don't think any of the seasons are consistent with each other, at all. |
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Post by aggiefan12 on Oct 14, 2023 16:21:38 GMT -5
I always take it they were all around for a very long time both witches and whitelighters. It's just they were all mostly in secret and unknown until more recent times. Obviously, canon rules changed in terms of Whitelighters later on. But as Es pointed out. The show was never consistent with its lore. For the most part, every episode has its own continuity that doesn't connect episode to episode. They seemed to change canon a lot |
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Post by Katie Warren on Oct 14, 2023 17:10:59 GMT -5
I always take it they were all around for a very long time both witches and whitelighters. It's just they were all mostly in secret and unknown until more recent times. Obviously, canon rules changed in terms of Whitelighters later on. But as Es pointed out. The show was never consistent with its lore. For the most part, every episode has its own continuity that doesn't connect episode to episode. They seemed to change canon a lot They seem to like to only do whatever fits the plot of whatever episode they're writing at the time. Charmed's not meant to be watched or binged. It is a show made to be watched in any order. But I still love the show with all its flaws. |
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Post by rebooted on Oct 14, 2023 23:05:00 GMT -5
So maybe after the Boer war or before WW1 perhaps? It seems like witches were by themselves and the Elders were created by a group of Council witches alongside ghosts and other magical beings. I don't feel like witches were around before Sam's time as a human. Don't know when Sam died decided to be a White lighter Elders by themselves have been around since the earth was new according to the comic books if we go by that. I'm pretty sure witches were around way before Sam's time or we wouldn't have had Melinda Warren the Charmed Ones ancestor and every witches bloodline traces back to the very first witch that set foot on this earth. Sorry I meant to say white lighters, not witches in my last sentence |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Oct 15, 2023 0:35:19 GMT -5
Yes, it did get confusing when Lore's on any characters changed whether that be Elders, white Lighters, ghosts etc but Charmed fans will always love the series despite it's flaws as Katie said.
I also understand as time moved on it would be harder for people or beings to stay hidden and that certain normal people will find out about them eventually like in Supernatural concerning Hunters obviously so I can see everyone being more careful what they do then or conversations like with the sisters throughout the series about how keeping their secret is important so they can continue helping others which they probably wouldn't be able to do if the entire world knew about them naturally.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Oct 15, 2023 6:35:42 GMT -5
They seem to like to only do whatever fits the plot of whatever episode they're writing at the time. Charmed's not meant to be watched or binged. It is a show made to be watched in any order. But I still love the show with all its flaws. I don't mind Charmed being inconsistent. My problem is making the claim that certain seasons over others being "more inconsistent" (particularly S3-S8), and I don't find that to be true, at all. In fact, I think S2 is the worst season with its consistency from episode to episode, unlike any other season. Other seasons, actually string along pretty well together, within their own season. S2 is the WORST at it, so I can see why " Better with Bob" takes issues with it. But, like I said, it doesn't bother me. S2 still has very strong episodes in it, compared to other seasons. It's not the strongest in consistency from episode to the next (like other seasons), but the episodes they do come up with are pretty solid. |
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