Piper's daughter or not???

[ArchAngel]

whitelightertony said:

Well, like you said, Leo is mortal now.

Also, Chris wasn't as poweful as Wyatt and Billie's Mom wasn't a Witch so I was just saying that since They went from the Sisters being Powerful, Wyatt being really powerful and Chris being "metso-Metso" there is apossibiliy that Melinda could be born purely Human now that there is no power accumulation in the family and in fact it definately did Ebb with the Destruction of the Nexus

The fact remains that Melinda is still the daughter of Piper, who's a Charmed One. So there's no reason to believe Melinda didn't at least inherit witch powers from Piper's side of the family.

It's very unlikely that Melinda was just a "carrier" (like Billie's parents).

Nope, The Girls were no longer "Charmed" nor was Wyatt any longer "Twice Blessed" after the Nexus was detroyed because that white light thingy in the Chandaleer was the "white Nexus" and since they vanquished the Nexus they no longer have access to it's power so they are now "Charmed" only in name and reputaion.

It's why there was "white lights" coming out of them a few seconds before Nexus/Zanku exploded . (thus the "last time saying power of 3 will set us free" joke...they knew vanquishing the nexus would "De-Charmed" them)

They are still have powers individually, and as a "Coven of sisters" they can Chant spells together to make things happen without the "charmed power boost" the Nexus used to provide as bieng Witches had nothing to do with being "Charmed" and Phoebe reading the Spell originally just broke the Binding of the Girls Powers by Grams, it didn't grant them powers as part of being "Charmed" as they were "active power witches" before they were ever "Charmed" and quite powerful for femal witches.

On Wyatt's side he lost Twice blessed Status, but considering we have seen previous young male witch's capable of altering reality and even able of stripping/altering the Charmed powers by just thinking it ("Witches in tights") and the other young Male witch that could do Remote TK (as in one day being able of stopping a demon's heart without even having to see it) it is pretty safe to say that Adult Wyatt blowing apart a whole bunch of demons with a yell and a wave of a hand is the Average power ability pf an adult Male witch which is why demons pick mostly on Female Witches or young Male witches(when they at least have a fricken chance to win against a Male Witch without full power capabilities)

It occurred to me that the "witches in tight" young male witch becoming an Elder could actually be one of the Elders that grant Powers to Witches once he gets older.(If he wasn't one of the Elders killed by the Titan's that is,)

[Assassin Witch]

colehellsangel said:

musicrpgoddess said:

Why would Piper's "daughter"'s (because I don't believe the last five minutes of Charmed, but I'm not going to argue it - all a matter of personal opinion) name be Melinda? Why isn't it Prudence and Melinda as her middle name?

It was only Malinda in the future that included Prue. In The Day the Magic Died when everyone is trying to name newborn Wyatt Piper makes a comment along the lines of "I don't think we can name him Prudence". So after Prue died Malinda was switched in favor of Prudence but then it seems was switched back because I guess the granddaughter became Prudence instead according to MarAcev.

That's exactly my problem. Piper stated she planned to name her daughter Prudence Melinda, but then she decides against it? That doesn't make any sense to me.


ArchAngel - WHAT?! Where did that come from? What does the Nexus have to do with their titles/status?

[colehellsangel]

musicrpgoddess said:

colehellsangel said:

It was only Malinda in the future that included Prue. In The Day the Magic Died when everyone is trying to name newborn Wyatt Piper makes a comment along the lines of "I don't think we can name him Prudence". So after Prue died Malinda was switched in favor of Prudence but then it seems was switched back because I guess the granddaughter became Prudence instead according to MarAcev.

That's exactly my problem. Piper stated she planned to name her daughter Prudence Melinda, but then she decides against it? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Yeah I see your point, that is confusing. Why would she do that I mean its her sister I would think she would cherish the name. Was the daughter in Forever Charmed
actually addressed as Malinda? Although perhaps she just prefers to go by her middle name. There was a guy in my school named Peter Cory, but everyone called him Cory and he wrote Cory on his assignments. So some people just prefer their middle name.

ArchAngel - WHAT?! Where did that come from? What does the Nexus have to do with their titles/status?

Even though I have not seen the entire season eight I am confused as well, if they are no longer Charmed than why is the final episode named Forever Charmed?

[Assassin Witch]

Yeah I see your point, that is confusing. Why would she do that I mean its her sister I would think she would cherish the name. Was the daughter in Forever Charmed
actually addressed as Malinda? Although perhaps she just prefers to go by her middle name. There was a guy in my school named Peter Cory, but everyone called him Cory and he wrote Cory on his assignments. So some people just prefer their middle name.

NO. It was NEVER said who she was in the show. Some people think it's Piper's daughter and others of us think she wasn't (hence the thread). She was never directly identified. And so it brings me to my question. Why Melinda? (And I just don't really want to argue "who" she is anymore because it's pointless. I think one way and others think another.)

I see your point. I have a couple of fics that have a daughter (yes, I know, even though I don't believe they have one, I do have some where they do - so sue me. Fan fics are different than what I would want from the actual show). Her name is Prudence Melinda Halliwell, but she hates Prudence because the name is from at least the 1600s, so she goes by Melinda because it sounds more "modern".

But, in this show, how realistic is it? Piper would call her daughter Prue because of her best friend/big sister.

[colehellsangel]

I always liked the idea of them with a daughter so when Wyatt came out instead I don't hate the little guy it was just a small disappointment. But I grew to accept it, and I love Baby Chris
I am glad to hear that they may have gotten that daughter still but I wish we could have also followed her through most of the series like the boys.

[whitelightertony]

Nope, The Girls were no longer "Charmed" nor was Wyatt any longer "Twice Blessed" after the Nexus was detroyed because that white light thingy in the Chandaleer was the "white Nexus" and since they vanquished the Nexus they no longer have access to it's power so they are now "Charmed" only in name and reputaion.

The destruction of the Nexus didn't negate what had already happened: the Charmed Ones activating the Power of Three, and Wyatt being born "twice-blessed." Eliminating the Nexus simply made the manor less powerful as a magical site. A "white light thingy in the chandelier" does not prove that the Charmed Ones or Wyatt have lost any of their power.

It's why there was "white lights" coming out of them a few seconds before Nexus/Zanku exploded . (thus the "last time saying power of 3 will set us free" joke...they knew vanquishing the nexus would "De-Charmed" them)

So if they "knew" that, why was it never referred to in later episodes?

And if the Power of Three no longer existed, why did the Elders feel they were capable of potentially defeating the Ultimate Power?

On Wyatt's side he lost Twice blessed Status

Again, I don't see your reasoning. How does destroying the Nexus reverse the fact of Wyatt's birthdate and his magical heritage? Do you mean to suggest that Wyatt wouldn't have been "twice-blessed" if he'd been born in the hospital instead of in the manor?

It occurred to me that the "witches in tight" young male witch becoming an Elder could actually be one of the Elders that grant Powers to Witches once he gets older (If he wasn't one of the Elders killed by the Titan's that is,)

The only evidence implying that the Elders "grant" powers to witches at specific points in time was Leo's offhand comment in "Exit Strategy." And I don't think he meant that the Elders literally chose that moment to "grant" Piper her combustion power, but they would have bound that potential for power advancement in Piper if they'd felt Piper couldn't handle it.

[whitelightertony]

That's exactly my problem. Piper stated she planned to name her daughter Prudence Melinda, but then she decides against it? That doesn't make any sense to me.

Maybe Piper decided instead to name Melinda after the first magical woman in the Charmed line, to honor her - - and she gave her daughter the middle name of Prudence after her deceased sister and friend.

So perhaps her full name is Melinda Prudence Halliwell?

And I still don't understand why only one of Phoebe's three daughters would have been staying over with Piper and Leo?

[Assassin Witch]

whitelightertony said:

And I still don't understand why only one of Phoebe's three daughters would have been staying over with Piper and Leo?

Depends on the ages of Phoebe's girls. Maybe the other one (or two) were over too, but only the oldest was going to school with the boys. Or, the other(s) were sick.

Trust me, those of us who beleive it wasn't their daughter can come up withi many reasons. lol

[Hansemand]

pipercharmedphreak said:

here it is a place to debate whether the girl in the series finale was piper's daughter or not.. i personally think it was!!

Fact:
Piper born Mar.24 1973

Forever Charmed ending:
Piper and Leo looks to be approx 75 years of age in the episode, what makes the episode take place approx in year 2048.
The little girl who sits with old Piper looks to be no more than 8 years of age, she was born in approx 2040

Do you believe that Piper had a daughter at the age of approx 67 ?

No, Piper is not the mother of this girl, the girl is her granddaughter.
My guess is that this was the daughter of Phoebe's daughter, a prev. premonition of Phoebe's did show that she would have a little girl herself at some point in the future and who's not to say that it would had been the girl she had with Coop.
She never saw who her husband would be in the future, she only saw her and her little girl together and BAM, Coop became her husband several years later after the premonition.

[whitelightertony]

Depends on the ages of Phoebe's girls. Maybe the other one (or two) were over too, but only the oldest was going to school with the boys. Or, the other(s) were sick.

Well, someone had to write that scene. Someone had to direct it. Someone had to make the decision to put another little girl in the scene alongside Chris and Wyatt. There must have been some reason for it, otherwise they wouldn't have cast a young girl to appear in the scene in the first place.

Phoebe's two older daughters looked about the same age. I suppose all three daughters could have been staying over with Piper and Leo, and maybe the middle daughter was sick (and the youngest was too little for school, at that point)?

But what would be the point of putting one of Phoebe's daughters in that scene in the first place? Especially because they'd already shown Phoebe's two oldest daughters in another scene (when Phoebe is racing to the hospital, pregnant with her third daughter)?

So why would the producers place one of Phoebe's daughters in a Piper-centric scene, especially since they didn't give any of Phoebe's daughters any character names or actual dialogue?

It's pure nonsense due to how some people dislike the idea of Chris and Wyatt having a little sister.

Trust me, those of us who beleive it wasn't their daughter can come up withi many reasons. lol

I'm just curious...why do you believe the producers even chose to put another little girl in that scene if she wasn't Chris and Wyatt's sister?

[Assassin Witch]

Well, my opinion would be they're all stupid, but whatever. They wanted it to be all cliche, fine. Do as they please. It sickens me, so I choose to ignore it. In fact, I choose to disregard that entire ending because it's "And they all lived happily, ever after." *barfs*

Sorry, but I didn't get into the show because of the fairy tales.

[power321]

they each had three. Brad kern even said it.
if you dont believe me, then get your DVD (the Season 8 Disc 6).

select "Forever Charmed" and FF to 38:43 to 38:50 (the scene where they show Phoebe with her kids).

make sure u have ur commentary thing on to hear Brad say "the fact that every one of them had three children was a nice touch..."

[MarAcev]

Do you believe that Piper had a daughter at the age of approx 67 ?

Get with the program, we are not arguing about the little girl with old Piper. We KNOW that is NOT her daughter. This argument is about the little girl we see in the scene in which we also see young Wyatt and Chris. I have even posted a picture of the scene in question on an earlier page.

[spiritsas]

I think you're all reading too much into these two discussions. First off, despite the destruction of the Nexus (which was done and explained as a major source of their power because Kern thought this was the series finale) they were still Charmed. I say this for two reasons.
One: They needed to be charmed in order to vanquish certain demons in season 8. Remember, it took a power of three spell to destroy that demon which Billie lured into the house just so they would use such a spell. If they were not still "Charmed", it would not have worked.
Second: It was still the prophesy and they had still not defeated the big bad of S8.
Now, was Wyatt charmed? Yes, as Billie and Christy needed his "charmed" power to summon the power sucking, buzzing thing (I'm having a mind fart and can't recall its name right now).
I think whether Chris is Charmed or not is a more interesting question, but that's probably for another discussion.

On the topic of the little girl with Grandma Piper. She is obviously her granddaughter or even possibly her great granddaughter. She does not appear to be the girl Piper is handing a lunch to, so it could well be Phoebe's third child. Kern, in an interview in the Charmed Magazine (and in the commentary on the DVD for S8) does allude to the girl being called either Prudence or Melinda, even though she is not named in the show. Given they are showing pieces of their lives, say during the following 10-15 years when they are showing all the children, then jumping ahead further, to Old Piper, I think that this young child could also be a great granddaughter. If Piper, as has been noted, is her late sixties (actually, to me, she looks like she's supposed to be in her 80's as they jumped 50 years into the future, not 40), then she could have great grandchildren by then, from say Wyatt or Chris.

The timing is right if this is 50 years later. Wyatt would be in his early to mid 50's and Chris had just turned 50. It is more than possible that this 8 year old is Piper's great granddaughter from one of Wyatt's or Chris' children, if they had kids early on.

Of course, the girl could also be the youngest granddaughter of Chris or Wyatt, if they had children in their mid or early 40's, which is more than possible, depending upon the age of their respective wives.

Just some thoughts to chew on.

[ShantaD]

"the fact that every one of them had three children was a nice touch..."

Or to most, barf-inducingly lame. Three sisters each having three children and probably nine grandchildren. It's something a six year old would come up with.

In any event, it makes no difference what Kern says months after the episode. Kern is notorious for rewriting and twisting the facts to suit himself. What matters is the episode itself.

[Assassin Witch]

shantad said:

"the fact that every one of them had three children was a nice touch..."

Or to most, barf-inducingly lame. Three sisters each having three children and probably nine grandchildren. It's something a six year old would come up with.

In any event, it makes no difference what Kern says months after the episode. Kern is notorious for rewriting and twisting the facts to suit himself. What matters is the episode itself.

Can I just quote you and leave it at that? My thoughts exactly.

[colehellsangel]

On the topic of the little girl with Grandma Piper. She is obviously her granddaughter or even possibly her great granddaughter.

That question is even answered right there in the scene. Grandma Piper has just finished reading her the girls' life entries in the Book of Shadows and when she finishes the little girl says:
"Will you read it again Grandmama?"

[whitelightertony]

In any event, it makes no difference what Kern says months after the episode. Kern is notorious for rewriting and twisting the facts to suit himself. What matters is the episode itself.

And since the episode itself doesn't identify the little girl receiving the lunch from Piper, all we have to go on is what the intent would most likely have been on the part of the director and producer(s).

And it is absolutely ludicrous to suggest that whoever wrote and directed that episode intended for there to be a scene where one of Phoebe's daughters was staying over at her cousins' house and then being sent off to school by her aunt and uncle.

[Assassin Witch]

"intent"? Why should we have to GUESS what they meant? If we get to make up who she is, then we're all right. Let people believe what they want and we're all happy.

[colehellsangel]

musicrpgoddess said:

"intent"? Why should we have to GUESS what they meant? If we get to make up who she is, then we're all right. Let people believe what they want and we're all happy.

I agree this discussion's point is starting to die, what its coming down to is that it's one of those things that TV shows sometimes do where there is no answer really; it's up to the fans.