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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 24, 2007 21:39:24 GMT -5
Well then I choose to blame Kern, since he wrote the episode and, since he's supposedly said he intended for the girl to be Piper and Leo's daughter, he should have clarified it in Piper's voiceover (to avoid situations exactly like this).
Overall, I thought Kern did a great job with the episode, but that's probably one of my biggest nitpicks as far as something he should have paid more attention to.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Nov 24, 2007 21:43:42 GMT -5
that's how i feel! i loved the episode-though that one minor glitch bugs the heck out of me!
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Post by jate88 on Apr 10, 2008 22:42:50 GMT -5
you guys bring up an interesting argument. though i like my fan fic the way it is now. i always knew that girl in the final scene closing the door was one of the grandchildren because most normal people don't have kids at that age.
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Post by whitelightertony on Apr 12, 2008 3:19:02 GMT -5
jate88, do you mean the girl who used telekinesis to close the manor door at the end of "Forever Charmed"? That's Piper and Leo's granddaughter, Prudence. We were talking about the girl seen in the flashforward who is being sent off to school by Piper and Leo along with young Wyatt and young Chris - - obviously, it's Wyatt and Chris's younger sister, Melinda. There is no way Kern or any of the other writers/producers would have suggested randomly planting one of Phoebe's daughters in that scene just for the hell of it.  |
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Post by jate88 on Apr 13, 2008 13:01:50 GMT -5
jate88, do you mean the girl who used telekinesis to close the manor door at the end of "Forever Charmed"? That's Piper and Leo's granddaughter, Prudence. We were talking about the girl seen in the flashforward who is being sent off to school by Piper and Leo along with young Wyatt and young Chris - - obviously, it's Wyatt and Chris's younger sister, Melinda. There is no way Kern or any of the other writers/producers would have suggested randomly planting one of Phoebe's daughters in that scene just for the hell of it. i forgot all about that scene. i never even heard of the show until it was over so i didn't have much of a chance to do much research into kern. |
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Post by K. Aabye on May 8, 2008 17:16:27 GMT -5
Piper's daughter is named Melinda and looks like this.  Melinda Halliwell is played by the great Kathleen Teresa Scott. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 8, 2008 18:27:20 GMT -5
*shrug* Maybe she does in your RPs and maybe she does in your fics, but unless that's the actress with Chris and Wyatt, she's not Melinda. And her name isn't necessarily Melinda. She was born in a time different than Morality Bites, so although that's the name I use in my own fic, I don't think it's necessarily so. I can see her name as Patty or Penny or Prue just as much as I can see her named Melinda, no matter WHAT Kern said/wrote. And whatever her name is, she may not even be Piper's daughter. He never had Piper say her name or even say she had a daughter and the picture of Chris and Wyatt on that @#$%&^%$#@! wall didn't include a sister. So the girl in that scene might be Piper's daughter and then again she might not. It's up to each fanfic writer/RPG player/fan to decide for herself/himself since we very simply are not told. Until there is ever a spinoff or a movie, we very simply DO NOT KNOW!
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Post by ~*Alicia*~ on May 8, 2008 18:39:15 GMT -5
Es ir right, it is up to each writer to decide what her name is and if she is Piper's daughter. Es is 100% right, and she is right the only pictures on the wall where the sisters, Leo and the boys and grown Wyatt and Chris. We might not find out until there is a spin off or a movie, I completely agree with Es on that one.
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Post by K. Aabye on May 9, 2008 8:25:04 GMT -5
I don't. It is very obvious that the girl in the scene where Piper is handing out lunchboxes is Piper's! And you want proof? I will give you proof. The three kids who played Wyatt, Chris and Melinda. Those two pics have never been seen before! Just because there is no pictures of her on the wall, doesn't necessarily mean she isn't Piper's daughter. Kathleen's IMDB - www.imdb.com/name/nm2656319/Her mother, Marlayna has added all the information there. In the photo's below, she has written the text there.   |
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Post by whitelightertony on May 9, 2008 19:47:00 GMT -5
And, as we all know, that one wall is the ONLY place in the entire manor where Piper could possibly have hung pictures of her family. |
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Post by indi29 on May 10, 2008 4:29:30 GMT -5
I think it was to and i thought they were so cute
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Post by K. Aabye on May 10, 2008 10:30:01 GMT -5
Now that's just wrong. The Manor is HUGE. There are room for pictures everywhere in that house.
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Post by whitelightertony on May 10, 2008 15:11:08 GMT -5
I know. That was my point.
Just because we didn't see any pics of Melinda on the wall in "Forever Charmed" doesn't mean there weren't pictures of Melinda elsewhere in the manor. Same goes for Prue (since it's unlikely Piper would have taken down every single picture of Prue).
Did anyone else notice that the only pictures on the wall that we saw were of the actors who'd actually appeared in the episode? Obviously, it was due to contractual issues.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 11, 2008 2:30:29 GMT -5
Of course, that's the reason. And because it is is the reason why the !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@! wall shouldn't have been part of it. They could've/should've used that time for letting Piper name both her daughter as her daughter and her granddaughter as her granddaughter by calling them by name, besides letting us know the names of Phoebe's daughters and Paige's daughters.
Letting the granddaughter use her power to close the door, especially if Piper simply said the word "Prue" once would've been the perfect way to end the series. It would've brought the series full-circle, since Prue's the one who closed the door in the first episode.
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Post by K. Aabye on May 11, 2008 3:29:59 GMT -5
I still believe Piper had her daughter. It's common sense. Just because it wasn't mentioned on the show, doesn't mean she doesn't have a name. In Katie's resumé it says "Melinda Halliwell" so don't you think she's named Melinda??
The name "Melinda" popped up in the scripts but wasn't actually said because the writers probably thought we would simply know she's called Melinda. I've now done my best to prove that Piper had her daughter and that she's called Melinda. If you take a look at my previous posts, you'll see it.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 11, 2008 9:15:55 GMT -5
You know what you do when you assume--you make an ass out of u and me--and if Kern never had Piper mention that she had a daughter named Melinda or call her granddaughter Prue simply because he thought we'd assume, then that's exactly what he did...especially making an ass out of himself!
Why would the fans assume that? Why wouldn't we think that Piper would've named her daughter after her sister who was murdered and who was also her best friend?
During Morality Bites, Prue was alive. During Forever Charmed, Prue is dead. Unless Phoebe had a daughter named Prue, I don't see Piper naming her daughter after Melinda Warren rather than after her sister. I know I sure thought that she was going to name her first baby Prue when she was pregnant, thinking it was a perfect way to honor Prue, and I was VERY disappointed when Wyatt popped out instead.
That season gave me the reason why I believe her name is Prue and not Melinda. This is from a different script, Baby's First Demon:
(coloring mine)
I believe that Piper would've stuck with that. Melinda would've been her MIDDLE name, not her first, unless Phoebe had named her daughter Prue first, but because we have no idea what any of PHOEBE's daughters names are either....
That's what irritates me so much. Kern didn't think it was important enough for us to know the name of any of the females in the next generation, but he made and took the time to say the name of the other male in the next generation, Henry Jr, and even one in the following generation, Matthew, even giving Leo a job that made absolutely no sense in order to do so! A mortal teaching magical kids??? Yeah, right!
If the daughter was named Melinda, for Kern to not even take the time for Piper to say she had her daughter, Melinda, or to for her to simply say, "Prue" to her granddaughter, and instead take the time to have that !@#$%^&*()_)(*&^%$#@! wall--no way you'd have that old of pictures going up the stairs without including Prue, your daughter, your children's weddings and your children's children.... !@#$%^&*(_(*&^%$#@! Because you can't due to contractual issues, YOU DON'T SHOW IT!!!!
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Post by K. Aabye on May 11, 2008 11:56:42 GMT -5
I don't understand what you're talking about at all. Obviously you did not read my post AT ALL! The girl who played MELINDA on Charmed in the final episode IS named MELINDA and is played by Kathleen Teresa Scott. I talk to Katie and her mom. Katie had a blast working on Charmed, she had a lot of fun.
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Post by whitelightertony on May 11, 2008 14:26:25 GMT -5
Melinda -- how do you know Katie and her family?
Was she explicitly told by the producers/directors that her character was named Melinda?
And Esmerelda, I don't really care what Piper was going to name her child back in Season 5...Piper simply could have had a change of heart, and decided to name her daughter Melinda Prudence Halliwell rather than "Prudence Melinda."
It doesn't change the reality that saying this girl was some random cousin has no logic whatsoever in the context of "Forever Charmed."
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Post by K. Aabye on May 11, 2008 22:58:44 GMT -5
I went on youtube and posted a message on her profile there (actors/actresses keep profiles on websites to promote themselves - I didn't expect anything) but later I received a reply from Katie's mom who told me to keep in touch and I've certainly kept in touch since then. If she wasn't told her character's name was Melinda, I don't see why they would talk about her playing Melinda on Charmed?
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Post by Esmeralda on May 12, 2008 7:32:37 GMT -5
You still don't get it. Katie might have been told that she was playing Melinda, but Kern didn't think it important enough to allow Piper to say that she was her daughter, Melinda. She could've just as easily been a friend, Melinda, or a cousin Melinda, or a daughter Prue or a cousin with a totally different name or a friend with a totally different name or even a daughter with a totally different name.
As long as another character does not say your name on air, you have no official name. So she is simply "Girl with back turned", ( a lot of fans thought she was played by one of the actresses who played one of Phoebe's daughters or one of the granddaughters in what should've been the last scene) still allowing each fan to decide for herself/himself--Katie herself included.
To me, she's Piper's daughter, Prudence Melinda. To you she's Piper's daughter, Melinda. To others, she's either a cousin or a friend. We're all right in our own alternate world coz thanks to Kern assuming or just not caring (which is what I think--after all, she's a female; who cares what the female's name is as long as we name all the males) WE DO NOT OFFICIALLY KNOW--in the official world she has NO NAME, just like the granddaughter and Phoebe and Paige's daughters--at least with them we *know* they're Phoebe and Paige's daughters. With the little girl with Wyatt and Chris, we very simply DO NOT KNOW!
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