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Post by lordumbrex on Aug 4, 2016 19:04:48 GMT -5
Personally, I think the biggest common Charmed problem was the fact that all of the sudden, just about the entire world could teleport in some manner other than the sisters. I mean, go back and watch Deja Vu All Over Again: it's shocking that a demon powerful enough to earn the Source sending Tempus to him would be bound by ropes and a chair, while low-level demons, warlocks, and even witches in seasons 3-8 can shimmer, fade, glisten, blink, and smoke all over the place. To me, that's when the show began to change; it's when it seemed less contained.
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Post by Elle Em on Aug 5, 2016 6:54:28 GMT -5
Personally, I think the biggest common Charmed problem was the fact that all of the sudden, just about the entire world could teleport in some manner other than the sisters. I mean, go back and watch Deja Vu All Over Again: it's shocking that a demon powerful enough to earn the Source sending Tempus to him would be bound by ropes and a chair, while low-level demons, warlocks, and even witches in seasons 3-8 can shimmer, fade, glisten, blink, and smoke all over the place. To me, that's when the show began to change; it's when it seemed less contained. I'll add to that and say that just about anything that made things far too easy for the sisters took away from the show as well. Teleporting is definitely one of those things, as you mentioned, especially with both Paige and Leo orbing in the later seasons. But then there's also things like Piper's power to blow things up, which took away from the need to work together in a lot of instances. In the first few seasons, everyone had a role. Everyone had a strength or talent that was needed in order to save an innocent or vanquish a demon or warlock. We saw them have to use their brains and go through trial and error before accomplishing their goal. In the later seasons, Piper would just blow someone up, Paige would orb them away, and they'd get on with their lives. I found it interesting to watch them struggle a bit with things, as well as to see them have to take the time for human tasks like driving somewhere rather than just appearing. |
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Post by BookShelfy91 on Sept 4, 2016 5:52:53 GMT -5
Didn't Paige channel her power into Leo to heal Cole? Does that actually count as her healing or just lending a hand and a bit of extra power?
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Sept 4, 2016 6:47:38 GMT -5
Didn't Paige channel her power into Leo to heal Cole? Does that actually count as her healing or just lending a hand and a bit of extra power? Shelfy I never really liked this whole idea. Either you heal someone completely or not. How can two people heal one half each. I was under the impression that Leo could only heal Cole's human half and not demonic half. How can Paige suddenly be able to heal one half too. Shouldn't the rules be that whitelighters can only heal humans and not demons. Regardless if they have a human half or not. Oh man - the rules keep changing. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 4, 2016 7:47:51 GMT -5
Didn't Paige channel her power into Leo to heal Cole? Does that actually count as her healing or just lending a hand and a bit of extra power? Shelfy OH! I really like this way of looking at it - rather than her whitelighter half offsetting his demonic half (which part of Cole is demonic? His hand? His brain? His heart? His lungs? His kidneys? Ditto for which part of Paige is angelic...) which was one of Brad Kern's more stupid ideas (like Leo unable to heal Cole in 'Sleuthing with the Enemy' - he either should've been able to heal him or not heal him), the idea of her channeling her power to Leo and helping him heal Cole (which, no, would not count as her healing him) makes a lot of sense. Didn't Paige channel her power into Leo to heal Cole? Does that actually count as her healing or just lending a hand and a bit of extra power? Shelfy I never really liked this whole idea. Either you heal someone completely or not. How can two people heal one half each. I was under the impression that Leo could only heal Cole's human half and not demonic half. How can Paige suddenly be able to heal one half too. Shouldn't the rules be that whitelighters can only heal humans and not demons. Regardless if they have a human half or not. Oh man - the rules keep changing. Exactly! |
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Post by gemini862 on Nov 17, 2016 23:59:02 GMT -5
The Nexus is located straight dab in the middle of the 5 elements. The power of The Nexus can be summoned by either good or evil. When summoned it will possess the party that possesses the house… however if there is both good and evil beings in the Manner it will possess the most neutral being.
The Woogyman/The Shadow is a black smoke like creature that possesses good beings and brings out the dark inside them to spread evil.
Now what confuses me is that both The Nexus’s power and The Shadow can be found and summoned from the exact same spot. One is very much evil and the other is completely neutral. The spell to contain The shadow is basically the same spell to contain the power of The Nexus.
Not sure exactly what episode it was but in season 7? Leo was possessed by the power of The Nexus. Zankou and the sisters summoned the power of The Nexus but because The Nexus is neutral and couldn’t choose a side to possess, it chose the most neutral being, Leo. The Sisters used a shortened version of the spell to banish The Shadow, to contain The Nexus’s power from Leo. Also, when Cole tricked the sisters and ended up taking over the manner, Cole summoned the power of The Nexus. The Nexus took over Cole and then Phoebe resided “I am light, I am one too strong to fight…” ect. This contained The Nexus once again.
And again, this is why I’m confused. If The Nexus isn’t the same as The Shadow, why do they have the same “banishing” spell? Not only both The Nexus and The Shadow dwell in the same place but they also look VERY similar
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 18, 2016 0:09:15 GMT -5
The Nexus is located straight dab in the middle of the 5 elements. The power of The Nexus can be summoned by either good or evil. When summoned it will possess the party that possesses the house… however if there is both good and evil beings in the Manner it will possess the most neutral being. The Woogyman/The Shadow is a black smoke like creature that possesses good beings and brings out the dark inside them to spread evil. Now what confuses me is that both The Nexus’s power and The Shadow can be found and summoned from the exact same spot. One is very much evil and the other is completely neutral. The spell to contain The shadow is basically the same spell to contain the power of The Nexus. Not sure exactly what episode it was but in season 7? Leo was possessed by the power of The Nexus. Zankou and the sisters summoned the power of The Nexus but because The Nexus is neutral and couldn’t choose a side to possess, it chose the most neutral being, Leo. The Sisters used a shortened version of the spell to banish The Shadow, to contain The Nexus’s power from Leo. Also, when Cole tricked the sisters and ended up taking over the manner, Cole summoned the power of The Nexus. The Nexus took over Cole and then Phoebe resided “I am light, I am one too strong to fight…” ect. This contained The Nexus once again. And again, this is why I’m confused. If The Nexus isn’t the same as The Shadow, why do they have the same “banishing” spell? Not only both The Nexus and The Shadow dwell in the same place but they also look VERY similar Because The Nexus is the location - the Shadow is the being that lives in it. |
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 23, 2017 13:02:45 GMT -5
Lol, I love these. I remember from imdb some of these were mention another was what episode did Jason & Phoebe really break up.
They may have called it a break, but it was over and she dated other men.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Feb 28, 2017 19:41:39 GMT -5
Lol, I love these. I remember from imdb some of these were mention another was what episode did Jason & Phoebe really break up. They may have called it a break, but it was over and she dated other men. Especially when Paige and Phoebe just suddenly moved back in to the Manor |
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Post by Miranda Turner on Feb 28, 2017 19:54:13 GMT -5
Lol, I love these. I remember from imdb some of these were mention another was what episode did Jason & Phoebe really break up. They may have called it a break, but it was over and she dated other men. Especially when Paige and Phoebe just suddenly moved back in to the Manor I assume sometime had passed between episodes, and we just didn't see it of course. But I felt the relationship of Jason and Phoebe was a break-up, it felt that way to me. Even if it didn't come across that way. Maybe it was just the way it filmed with the music and rain. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 0:02:54 GMT -5
Also in Witch Trial the demon was able to take the book like it was no big deal and in the later seasons it will actually protect itself from demons.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 7, 2017 3:07:41 GMT -5
Bear in mind though the sisters were still new to their powers ish and the book was taken to the astral plane which Abraxas was in and not the attic itself which perhaps evil had to be wherever the book is nearby or actually touching it for that to protect itself maybe and that Melinda never thought it might be taken to another plane really.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 13:39:53 GMT -5
Bear in mind though the sisters were still new to their powers ish and the book was taken to the astral plane which Abraxas was in and not the attic itself which perhaps evil had to be wherever the book is nearby or actually touching it for that to protect itself maybe and that Melinda never thought it might be taken to another plane really. True I didn't think how it was still in the house |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 7, 2017 13:47:43 GMT -5
Melinda might've just protected the book from being directly taken out of whatever place it was in or not being touched by evil but didn't think about other dimensions or planes of existence it could be transported to or people like Bacarra fooling the book to think he was good either.
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Post by eternallycharmed on Mar 7, 2017 13:51:21 GMT -5
For me it's because in the first 4 seasons the show was so grounded in the relationships between sisters, family,and other relationships. These sisters also happen to be kick ass magical witches. They started to lose focus on the relationships, and the magical aspect of the show became heavy-handed to the point of distraction. To me, Charmed is at its strongest when the magical and fantasy elements of the mythology compliment the emotional impact of whatever is driving the human relationships. If the magic element overpowered character development, the show got lost. The core of it is always about strong women and sisters who also happen to be magical witches. Not powerful witches who as a side note happen to face human dilemma's and happen to be sisters. In the later years, the magic became overused and there was less focus on relationships and character developed story-telling. While the tricks and special effects are cool, unless it was grounded in something significant to the sisters, it didn't mean much other than "Wow look what we can do!"
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 14:21:03 GMT -5
For me it's because in the first 4 seasons the show was so grounded in the relationships between sisters, family,and other relationships. These sisters also happen to be kick ass magical witches. They started to lose focus on the relationships, and the magical aspect of the show became heavy-handed to the point of distraction. To me, Charmed is at its strongest when the magical and fantasy elements of the mythology compliment the emotional impact of whatever is driving the human relationships. If the magic element overpowered character development, the show got lost. The core of it is always about strong women and sisters who also happen to be magical witches. Not powerful witches who as a side note happen to face human dilemma's and happen to be sisters. In the later years, the magic became overused and there was less focus on relationships and character developed story-telling. While the tricks and special effects are cool, unless it was grounded in something significant to the sisters, it didn't mean much other than "Wow look what we can do!" It definitely took over their lives because as their powers progressed demons progressed significantly and they had less time to do other things. I mean think it took the power of three to defeat Rodriguez but if he appeared in season 5, they probably each could take him with no problem. They were new to their powers and weren't ready for what they would come up against and they stayed close because they could only defeat them together. I think in the later seasons they ran out of ideas so they needed to bring in more of the magical world so they could work with more material. |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 7, 2017 15:42:56 GMT -5
For me it's because in the first 4 seasons the show was so grounded in the relationships between sisters, family,and other relationships. These sisters also happen to be kick ass magical witches. They started to lose focus on the relationships, and the magical aspect of the show became heavy-handed to the point of distraction. To me, Charmed is at its strongest when the magical and fantasy elements of the mythology compliment the emotional impact of whatever is driving the human relationships. If the magic element overpowered character development, the show got lost. The core of it is always about strong women and sisters who also happen to be magical witches. Not powerful witches who as a side note happen to face human dilemma's and happen to be sisters. In the later years, the magic became overused and there was less focus on relationships and character developed story-telling. While the tricks and special effects are cool, unless it was grounded in something significant to the sisters, it didn't mean much other than "Wow look what we can do!" It definitely took over their lives because as their powers progressed demons progressed significantly and they had less time to do other things. I mean think it took the power of three to defeat Rodriguez but if he appeared in season 5, they probably each could take him with no problem. They were new to their powers and weren't ready for what they would come up against and they stayed close because they could only defeat them together. I think in the later seasons they ran out of ideas so they needed to bring in more of the magical world so they could work with more material. Talking about the magical world. That was a big problem that I had. If you notice. Right after Cole's death in Centennial Charmed season 5, then all the magical community and fairy tail stories started coming out in full force. As well as all the self centeredness. Almost seemed like the writers didn't have enough ideas to write about after the entire Cole saga Seasons 3 to 5. I missed the time when Phoebe was just content with watching "Kill It Before It Dies" and horror flicks. Though Cole ruined that movie for her  |
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Post by eternallycharmed on Mar 7, 2017 16:09:01 GMT -5
I'm not sure I fully buy the argument that they ran out of ideas so they needed to have more magic to fill storyline gaps. Did they get distracted by the magic and the mythology more than the Sisters and the relationships that make them human, yes. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't a plethora of stories more rooted to life that could have been expanded upon. I agree, after Cole's exit things seemed to become less centered on the relationships and more on the magic/fantasy. I think they could have focused more on Phoebe emotionally after Cole left. Whether you loved the relationship as I did or you hated it, the arc had a huge impact and I think Phoebe could have been a lot more introspective afterword. They also could have given Paige more backstory and history to explore since she lost her adoptive parents kept thinking they might explore more fear around potentially losing a sister too.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 7, 2017 17:39:08 GMT -5
But, that doesn't mean there wasn't a plethora of stories more rooted to life that could have been expanded upon. I agree, I wish they would have taken those ideas and used them instead of creating episodes like Nymphs just want to have fun. |
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Post by gzv969 on Mar 7, 2017 18:25:47 GMT -5
I'm not sure I fully buy the argument that they ran out of ideas so they needed to have more magic to fill storyline gaps. Did they get distracted by the magic and the mythology more than the Sisters and the relationships that make them human, yes. But, that doesn't mean there wasn't a plethora of stories more rooted to life that could have been expanded upon. I agree, after Cole's exit things seemed to become less centered on the relationships and more on the magic/fantasy. I think they could have focused more on Phoebe emotionally after Cole left. Whether you loved the relationship as I did or you hated it, the arc had a huge impact and I think Phoebe could have been a lot more introspective afterword. They also could have given Paige more backstory and history to explore since she lost her adoptive parents kept thinking they might explore more fear around potentially losing a sister too. Yes. Your right about Paige. A more in-depth backstory would have been nice. But if you think about it Paige sort of dealt with the fear of losing her sisters. After the emotional loss of Chris and Agent Brody. She started taking a more active role in ensuring the protection of her sisters. Acted more like the older sister or an equal than a baby sister. By the beginning of season 7, Paige had began to come fully into her own. Which to me took to long for her to get to this point. She started taking the lead with a lot of the magical stuff and protection of the family seeing as Phoebe and Piper were always so distracted with life. If you noticed Paige had also stopped taking crap from Piper and Phoebe. No one told her what to do anymore and she did what was necessary. And I believe it's because of what i mentioned earlier. The combination of feeling pain of the loss of Chris and the loss of Agent Brody. Plus her experience with running Magic school and gaining her full WhiteLighter powers (hearing the call) all led to the toughening up of her character. |
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