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Post by Elder on Nov 29, 2007 16:51:28 GMT -5
Since Pheebs and Wyatt have a special connection to the nexus, woogey, shadow (or whatever it's called this week) does that mean their connection is busted since the...whatever-we-want-to-call-it today...is not there anymore?
It's a real wacky question.
If they were swayed because of the existance of the nexus, does that wash out now since the basement dweller is no longer there?
Can they still be swayed as easily or how does that work?
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Post by ljones on Nov 29, 2007 16:59:03 GMT -5
I never believed that theory that Phoebe and Wyatt were the only ones who could easily sway between good and evil, because they were born above the Nexus. That whole theory is so ridiculous to me. What the show was trying to say about Phoebe and Wyatt could easily describe just about every living being in existence. The show even proved that the other sisters, Chris and Leo proved to be just as morally complex as Phoebe and Wyatt.
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Post by colehellsangel on Nov 29, 2007 17:05:21 GMT -5
I never believed that theory that Phoebe and Wyatt were the only ones who could easily sway between good and evil, because they were born above the Nexus. That whole theory is so ridiculous to me. What the show was trying to say about Phoebe and Wyatt could easily describe just about every living being in existence. The show even proved that the other sisters, Chris and Leo were just as morally complex as Phoebe and Wyatt. I never knew there was a connection and I choose not believe this Nexus tale, why would they have a connection with it just because they were born in the manor? Although it does make sense considering they were both born in the manor and were both swayed to evil. I always thought that was just a coincidence though. I don't see what the nexus would have to with that. Plus the other sisters have had their turns being evil as well. The original P3 turned into Warlocks and Paige was nearly swayed to evil by the original source. I choose not to believe that the nexus plays a special role in any of this. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 1, 2007 23:37:32 GMT -5
I don't think anyone ever said Phoebe and Wyatt were the "only" ones who'd be torn between Good and Evil...but they were more susceptible to being so easily influenced because they were born so close to the Nexus.
Prue, Piper, Chris, and (probably) most of the other future offspring were presumably born in hospitals.
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Post by ljones on Dec 2, 2007 0:28:13 GMT -5
That is still B.S. to me, because the show never really proved it. It was a theory that Phoebe pulled out of her ass . . . and that Prue and Piper had criminally agreed to, because of her delinquent past. I believe that Phoebe and Wyatt's suceptibility at being torn between good and evil were on an equal par with the rest of the family and humanity.
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 2, 2007 0:58:56 GMT -5
That is still B.S. to me, because the show never really proved it. It was a theory that Phoebe pulled out of her behind . . . and that Prue and Piper had criminally agreed to, because of her delinquent past. I believe that Phoebe and Wyatt's suceptibility at being torn between good and evil were on an equal par with the rest of the family and humanity. Agreed, as a child Phoebe watched Grams ward off the Nexus which she then became to call the woogy. She had been afraid of it for years up until she defeated it in her adult life in Is there a Woogy in the House. So it would make sense that her fear would have lead her to make up tales as such. Kind of like the "monster in the closet" or "monster under the bed" that children often go through in the real world. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 2, 2007 22:05:20 GMT -5
Well I believe the theory, because the magical energy emanating from the Nexus is probably stronger the closer you are to it...so it's not difficult to believe that the closer someone is when they are born, the more of an effect it may have on them.
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Post by ljones on Dec 3, 2007 0:52:18 GMT -5
Well I believe the theory, because the magical energy emanating from the Nexus is probably stronger the closer you are to it...so it's not difficult to believe that the closer someone is when they are born, the more of an effect it may have on them. I think that because Phoebe and Wyatt were born over the Nexus is irrevelant. If the rest of the family have been living there for so many years, then the Nexus should have affected the sisters and their family line since 1906. Don't you think? |
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 3, 2007 21:57:23 GMT -5
Well I believe the theory, because the magical energy emanating from the Nexus is probably stronger the closer you are to it...so it's not difficult to believe that the closer someone is when they are born, the more of an effect it may have on them. I think that because Phoebe and Wyatt were born over the Nexus is irrevelant. If the rest of the family have been living there for so many years, then the Nexus should have affected the sisters and their family line since 1906. Don't you think? I agree, they may have been the only two born in the manor but All of the sisters have been living there for the same amount of years. (I don't count Paige, since this discussion is about the time of Phoebe's birth before she existed.) |
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Post by p3charmedlunatic on Dec 3, 2007 23:09:02 GMT -5
i believe in this theory
i think that your more vunerable when your a baby and thats how the shadow gets in
i think if you lived there for 100years u still wouldnt get infected
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Post by ljones on Dec 4, 2007 15:18:53 GMT -5
I believe that all beings automatically have a 50/50% chance of choosing one path or the other . . . regardless of what you are, or where you are born. This Nexus Theory sounds like some nonsense that the writers had pulled out of a hat to generalize a character's moral compass. They didn't want the road to good or evil to have anything to do with one's choices. They wanted to neatly label it - like they do demons and warlocks - and base it upon the location of someone's birth. I find it silly.
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 4, 2007 23:54:27 GMT -5
I believe that all beings automatically have a 50/50% chance of choosing one path or the other . . . regardless of what you are, or where you are born. This Nexus Theory sounds like some nonsense that the writers had pulled out of a hat to generalize a character's moral compass. They didn't want the road to good or evil to have anything to do with one's choices. They wanted to neatly label it - like they do demons and warlocks - and base it upon the location of someone's birth. I find it silly. That makes sense. They probably also wanted something interesting to justify certain story lines such as Phoebe being susceptible to Cole as the Source and the entire threat to Wyatt's future/Future Chris plot line. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 5, 2007 2:47:15 GMT -5
I think it affects any magical person who lives on or near the Nexus, and probably has affected all of the Halliwell sisters. But I think it's affected Phoebe (and Wyatt) the most because they were exposed to it once they were born (upon becoming witches for the first time).
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Post by ljones on Dec 5, 2007 12:50:23 GMT -5
I don't believe that witches are born. And why CHARMED tried to dump this nonsense on us, escapes me.
I think the whole Nexus storyline is a bunch of crap. Again, it was a literary device used to explain Phoebe's delinquent past and irrevelant behavior. As far as I'm concerned, the series has shown that all members of the family are equally capable of going either good or bad. One of the reasons I grew disenchanted with CHARMED over the years, was due to the writers' inability to allow the characters to become increasingly ambiguous. It seemed as if the idea of moral ambiguity for all characters scared them. And this Nexus arc is a prime example.
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Post by piper123 on Dec 5, 2007 16:19:33 GMT -5
i didnt know that when wyat turned evil it was because of the nexus.
and what do you mesn witches anre not born?
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 6, 2007 20:49:23 GMT -5
I don't understand that either. If someone isn't born a witch, then how does he/she become one?
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Post by ljones on Dec 9, 2007 21:01:28 GMT -5
I don't understand that either. If someone isn't born a witch, then how does he/she become one? One is initiated as a witch . . . like a priest or priestess. However, one is born with psi abilities or with an easy ability to perform magic. Being a magic practitioner does not automatically make one a witch. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 10, 2007 0:11:53 GMT -5
I don't understand that either. If someone isn't born a witch, then how does he/she become one? One is initiated as a witch . . . like a priest or priestess. However, one is born with psi abilities or with an easy ability to perform magic. Being a magic practitioner does not automatically make one a witch. I am afraid I don't understand that logic, If you are born with powers should that mean you were born a witch? |
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Post by ljones on Dec 10, 2007 14:03:39 GMT -5
One is initiated as a witch . . . like a priest or priestess. However, one is born with psi abilities or with an easy ability to perform magic. Being a magic practitioner does not automatically make one a witch. I am afraid I don't understand that logic, If you are born with powers should that mean you were born a witch? No, it doesn't. A witch is supposed to be the equivalent of a priest or priestess. Even the show made this clear with Grams marrying Piper and Leo or Paige blessing water to make it holy in a S6 episode. And like all witches (or priests and priestesses) one has to be ordained to become one. In reality, the Charmed Ones are nothing more than sorceresses. Magic practitioners. Unless you count Paige creating holy water or helping Kyle Brody deal with the death of his parents. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Dec 10, 2007 23:07:46 GMT -5
I am afraid I don't understand that logic, If you are born with powers should that mean you were born a witch? No, it doesn't. A witch is supposed to be the equivalent of a priest or priestess. Even the show made this clear with Grams marrying Piper and Leo or Paige blessing water to make it holy in a S6 episode. And like all witches (or priests and priestesses) one has to be ordained to become one. In reality, the Charmed Ones are nothing more than sorceresses. Magic practitioners. Unless you count Paige creating holy water or helping Kyle Brody deal with the death of his parents. Ok understanding a little more now, I can see where you are coming from but then why are they born with powers instead of having them given to them when the time is appropriate? |
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