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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 9, 2014 12:28:45 GMT -5
Oh, man, do I agree completely totally with you! Their relationship was as toxic as Piper and Dan's or Prue and Andy's or Phoebe and Cole's! My mom always said that if you act like a doormat, expect to be stepped on, and that was Leo around Piper - but not in Season One. I don't really wish Leo had *died* in "Love Hurts", but I wish when he went away, he stayed away. Or even if when he went away after "P3 H2O", he'd stayed away. Or better - back then he could only heal if THEY (they didn't become the Elders until Kern took over) would let him (hence why he couldn't heal Piper's poison ivy in "P3 H20".), then how the hell was he able to heal Piper in "Awakened"  Especially when the cause wasn't magical! Looking back at it now, I wish Piper had died and stayed dead then, and that's when we would've met Paige... No, not really. I would've hated to lose Holly, especially if that meant gaining Rose instead. I just would've loved to lose Piper. Besides, if they gained Paige while Connie Burge was in charge I'm 99.9% certain that she would've been a Charmed One, not a living whitelighter. |
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Post by Nimue on Dec 11, 2014 15:08:41 GMT -5
Oh, man, do I agree completely totally with you! Their relationship was as toxic as Piper and Dan's or Prue and Andy's or Phoebe and Cole's! My mom always said that if you act like a doormat, expect to be stepped on, and that was Leo around Piper - but not in Season One. I don't really wish Leo had *died* in "Love Hurts", but I wish when he went away, he stayed away. Or even if when he went away after "P3 H2O", he'd stayed away. Or better - back then he could only heal if THEY (they didn't become the Elders until Kern took over) would let him (hence why he couldn't heal Piper's poison ivy in "P3 H20".), then how the hell was he able to heal Piper in "Awakened" Especially when the cause wasn't magical! Looking back at it now, I wish Piper had died and stayed dead then, and that's when we would've met Paige... No, not really. I would've hated to lose Holly, especially if that meant gaining Rose instead. I just would've loved to lose Piper. Besides, if they gained Paige while Connie Burge was in charge I'm 99.9% certain that she would've been a Charmed One, not a living whitelighter. I'm probably going to sound really dumb, blind and naive, but in what ways do you mean those relationships are toxic? The only one I saw as anywhere near toxic and unhealthy is Phoebe and Cole in Season 5, which is a real mockery of everything they went through in Season 3 and 4, in my opinion. Piper and Dan: it was really rotten timing, had Piper met Dan before Leo, then their relationship wouldn't have turned out as badly as it did. Well, except for the fact that he couldn't accept her as a witch. Prue and Andy: again, I don't see what's toxic...? I always thought that it was just that they wanted different things at first, but near the end of Season 1 it seemed like Andy could possibly change his mind about accepting Prue as a witch. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 11, 2014 15:45:25 GMT -5
Oh, man, do I agree completely totally with you! Their relationship was as toxic as Piper and Dan's or Prue and Andy's or Phoebe and Cole's! My mom always said that if you act like a doormat, expect to be stepped on, and that was Leo around Piper - but not in Season One. I don't really wish Leo had *died* in "Love Hurts", but I wish when he went away, he stayed away. Or even if when he went away after "P3 H2O", he'd stayed away. Or better - back then he could only heal if THEY (they didn't become the Elders until Kern took over) would let him (hence why he couldn't heal Piper's poison ivy in "P3 H20".), then how the hell was he able to heal Piper in "Awakened" Especially when the cause wasn't magical! Looking back at it now, I wish Piper had died and stayed dead then, and that's when we would've met Paige... No, not really. I would've hated to lose Holly, especially if that meant gaining Rose instead. I just would've loved to lose Piper. Besides, if they gained Paige while Connie Burge was in charge I'm 99.9% certain that she would've been a Charmed One, not a living whitelighter. I'm probably going to sound really dumb, blind and naive, but in what ways do you mean those relationships are toxic? The only one I saw as anywhere near toxic and unhealthy is Phoebe and Cole in Season 5, which is a real mockery of everything they went through in Season 3 and 4, in my opinion. Piper and Dan: it was really rotten timing, had Piper met Dan before Leo, then their relationship wouldn't have turned out as badly as it did. Well, except for the fact that he couldn't accept her as a witch. Prue and Andy: again, I don't see what's toxic...? I always thought that it was just that they wanted different things at first, but near the end of Season 1 it seemed like Andy could possibly change his mind about accepting Prue as a witch. Piper and Dan's was toxic in the way that she simply used him, constantly letting him think she could/would tell him anything while keeping the biggest secret which would've prevented him from being such an a$$ when he found out how Leo fit into the family. Also, she waits until he finds out about it in the worst-possible way, when had she loved him enough to tell him the truth right off the bat rather than just using him to have some semblance of a normal life, he may have been able to accept it as easily as Henry did. (Truly, Paige and Henry were the only non-toxic relationship that I saw - so, naturally, the comics have to make *their* relationship toxic!) As for Andy and Prue, had Leo stayed away after "Love Hurts" and then Andy become the sisters' whitelighter, then I think Andy and Prue would've made the best couple on the entire show. But not as long as he was alive. This comes from Episode 20, "The Power of Two": So, no, as long as Prue was a witch and Andy was a cop, their relationship would've been as toxic as any of the others, and they were much too close to ever just be friends. For me, the definition of toxic is one of them prevents the other from becoming better people. And as I said, for me, only Paige and Henry fit that definition. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:23:52 GMT -5
I'm actually surprised so many have picked older. I just always thought she was generally preferred as the middle sister; seems I was wrong.
I'd say middle sis, but having said that, I like her fine for the most part in season 4. It's season 5 onward where I go off her a lot. In "Oh My Goddess" when she's willing to let the world be destroyed because Leo's too busy to talk is where I lost a lot of my sympathy... then everything after that is just bitch bitch bitch, like constantly, she doesn't come up for air.
"Waah I want a normal life!"
"Waah my child has powers but I won't bind them, because then I'd have less to bitch about!"
"Waah my husband is too busy saving lives to hear me bitch constantly"
"Waah Paige expects me to save innocents today...doesn't she realise how much more important mine and Phoebe's lives are?"
Gaaah!
It was just the same stuff over and over on a loop. It was pretty much the same with Phoebe's work and love life too; part of why I found her insufferable.
Piper's "normal life" issues were there from the start sure, but at the end of season 4, she accepted who she was when they turned down the AOD's offer. It should have been buried there! If not earlier...but to be fair, I guess it's understandable that she'd feel that way after Prue initially.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 6, 2017 22:45:27 GMT -5
I really like younger piper where she didn't feel that she needed to be in charge and wasn't the big sister. After Prue's death, I was happy that she became more outspoken and said what she felt but in a way that also took a toll. I think the younger Piper didn't have as many responsibilities or people relying on her so she wasn't stressed out all the time making her a more enjoyable character.
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Mar 9, 2020 1:39:21 GMT -5
I would S4 or S7 Piper for me. I liked her as the middle sister too but she and Phoebe were more in Prue's shadow while she was alive and the dynamic was more unequal. Prue was the leader and the other two just followed/depended on her. I particularly liked Piper in the scenes where she does play her older sister part really well, when she needs to, at least. In S4, it was in the episode 'Womb Raider' when the three sisters were trapped in the cage and they started saying the power of three spell, Piper kind of pulled Phoebe and Paige behind her as they were chanting, almost as if she was trying to shield them from the attack. Another moment is in S7 'Death Becomes Them' when those corpsed innocents are attacking and Phoebe/Paige are struggling so Piper takes on a leadership role and starts blasting to protect her family, leading to Paige and Phoebe doing the same.
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Post by Elle Em on Mar 9, 2020 8:43:46 GMT -5
Younger Piper for sure. She was perfect in season 1. I saw no reason to change her. Some might say she was too neurotic and meek in the first season, but I didn't see it. She was still sassy and outspoken back then, just in more subtle ways. And what's wrong with being a quieter, less bold person? Part of the fun was that all three sisters had three different personalities.
Piper wore her mediating role well and was not well suited at all to be the leader. She seemed to equate that with being the loudest and most obnoxious, ready to be snarky and snap at people. Prue may have had her moments where she was somewhat bitchy, but for the most part, she was effective as the oldest and leader. Piper was just nasty to people, especially Paige and Leo.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 9, 2020 18:01:58 GMT -5
Younger Piper for sure. She was perfect in season 1. I saw no reason to change her. Some might say she was too neurotic and meek in the first season, but I didn't see it. She was still sassy and outspoken back then, just in more subtle ways. And what's wrong with being a quieter, less bold person? Part of the fun was that all three sisters had three different personalities. Piper wore her mediating role well and was not well suited at all to be the leader. She seemed to equate that with being the loudest and most obnoxious, ready to be snarky and snap at people. Prue may have had her moments where she was somewhat bitchy, but for the most part, she was effective as the oldest and leader. Piper was just nasty to people, especially Paige and Leo. Oh, yes! I agree totally!!! |
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Post by codebox on Apr 8, 2020 17:01:43 GMT -5
Younger by a long shot. Piper was much better younger, the most resistant, but also mousy and neurotic of the sisters. I liked Piper better when her postitive qualities were allowed to shine to offset any bad moments she may have had. Along with her appealing sarcasm. Even things like gestures I miss too. One thing I loved about Piper is how her gestures showcased/fit her then mousy persona. Take a look at Piper running for instance youtu.be/APioF9ro_4I?t=47 they way she sorta scoots when she runs over to untie Phoebe for the Power of Three, gestures like that brought out her mousy persona. Or even scenes like this youtu.be/czozftCbPfA?t=159 ignoring her rant about Leo aside I love the way she claps her hands together and tries wiping off what she got covered in, showing a clumsy gesture. Even when she's chasing down one of the 4 Horseman just the way she runs youtu.be/En1L8yMeMts?t=59I think the big preference for me was Piper was just allowed to smile more often,having moments with her sisters or whatever, in later seasons it became scarce that she'd smile about anything, especially by Season 8 where she grew bitter and hateful. Compared to Season 1 Piper She was perfect in season 1. I saw no reason to change her. She was still sassy and outspoken back then, just in more subtle ways. And her sass became her biggest appealing factor until the second half of Season 4. Besides I'd much rather have a whole season of a meek and shy Piper over the "UGH Normal Life, UGH My Baby's using powers I won't bind, UGH day is ruined" rinse/repeat. |
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Post by gzv969 on Apr 17, 2020 14:27:29 GMT -5
Exactly. Younger insecure, superstitious piper was way better. The one that felt all she did was tag around and freeze things. I think it was her getting the offensive blowing up powers that started changing her. I wish Piper only kept her freezing and prue and Paige were the ones that had the ability to blow up things.
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Post by pheebs on Apr 17, 2020 20:22:40 GMT -5
Yeah me too, GZV.  I never liked that power she got, Charmed jumped the shark the second they let Piper blow demons up. It led to so many predictable episodes. I never understood why they'd give a power to a sister that let them kill demons and be the power of one. Not even Prue had the power to kill demons outright without needing her sisters. But the more Holly got to input herself into Piper, the less she was Piper and the more she was Holly. Most of Piper's funny lines and one-liners which Holly did so well, it just didn't have the same effect in S5-S8, half the time, her lines felt just plain mean and it didn't feel organic or done in a more subtle way. I don't know why. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Apr 18, 2020 4:09:25 GMT -5
Definitely, younger Piper because she was more likeable then been shy, caring and insecure.
I liked her mediating between Prue and Phoebe being the middle sister and how when an innocent was in trouble she got stuck in rather than complain that got in the way of her wanting a normal life as it did later on although Prue wasn't around then to motivate her of course.
Her death certainly affected Piper in terms of her personality and having to become the big sister before her time.
Piper also didn't have children before season 5 so they never took over her life or charmed duties completely which I preferred obviously.
Plus season 1-3 Piper's work, love life and charmed job all balanced out with Leo not treated like a lapdog constant or someone who took priority over innocents although I didn't like his and Dan's love triangle though.
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Post by MistyPrue on Mar 22, 2023 5:40:46 GMT -5
I like her older but I loved her younger innocence
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Post by MistyPrue on Mar 22, 2023 5:41:19 GMT -5
Young Piper. She had to less to worry about, was more innocent and was just great all around. But appearance wise the only major difference between young and old was the older she got the more make-up and glamorous she became. This. |
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Post by zoeysmom on Apr 18, 2023 15:17:40 GMT -5
Which do you think was better Older or younger Piper? I'm going to go with younger. |
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Especially when the cause wasn't magical! Looking back at it now, I wish Piper had died and stayed dead then, and that's when we would've met Paige... No, not really. I would've hated to lose Holly, especially if that meant gaining Rose instead. I just would've loved to lose Piper. Besides, if they gained Paige while Connie Burge was in charge I'm 99.9% certain that she would've been a Charmed One, not a living whitelighter.
