what happened to prue???

[whitelightertony]

And what evidence is that?? Why can't you believe what Piper told Leo--that he tried to heal the wrong sister--his wife--which allowed Prue to die? We've copied that conversation, but you say it's not true. So what makes your evidence true and ours isn't?

Piper was in an extremely volatile emotional state prior to (and during) Prue's funeral...she wasn't thinking clearly. She was ranting and looking for people to blame and lash out at (remember, later in the episode she accuses Phoebe of having a death wish). Leo was much more calm and composed in the time surrounding the funeral.

Also, I highly doubt that Leo would ignore Prue's severe injuries when he knew that Prue's death would have such a traumatic effect on Piper. Therefore, it is logical to assume that when Leo orbed in there was simply nothing he could do to help Prue, since he can't heal the dead.

[colehellsangel]

whitelightertony said:

And what evidence is that?? Why can't you believe what Piper told Leo--that he tried to heal the wrong sister--his wife--which allowed Prue to die? We've copied that conversation, but you say it's not true. So what makes your evidence true and ours isn't?

Piper was in an extremely volatile emotional state prior to (and during) Prue's funeral...she wasn't thinking clearly. She was ranting and looking for people to blame and lash out at (remember, later in the episode she accuses Phoebe of having a death wish). Leo was much more calm and composed in the time surrounding the funeral.

Also, I highly doubt that Leo would ignore Prue's severe injuries when he knew that Prue's death would have such a traumatic effect on Piper. Therefore, it is logical to assume that when Leo orbed in there was simply nothing he could do to help Prue, since he can't heal the dead.

Yes perfectly said Whitelightertony. I agree completely. I think Leo would have felt the same way Cole always did about Phoebe loosing another sister. Cole saved Paige from the Vampires despite that he hated her by that time so that he would not have to see Phoebe emotionally scar from loosing another sister and this time also the power of three.

I think Leo would have felt the same way especially because he even admitted in Apocalypse Not that he loved Prue, so he would care about weather she lived or died just as much as he would Piper.

[spiritsas]

lj: Ultimately, yes, we don't know exactly what was supposed to have happened. All we have are the events of what happened the first time around (and knowing the characters the way they were written, we would expect them to act in a similar manner, given the same situation) and that Leo is delayed in getting back the second time. We don't know that he tried to save both at the same time, but all some of us are saying is that it's highly probable.

Whty and ColeHellsangel: I think you both make excellent points, some that I have noted in prior posts in this thread and some new ones, like Piper's emotional outburst at Leo for saving the wrong sister. You can see it, or at least I do, in her rage and Leo's reaction, that Prue was already dead and obviously, she wasn't. She doesn't accuse him of saving her first, she's just naturally upset about Prue. I appreciate that her line can be interpreted is two different ways, but the "circumstantial" evidence points to that Leo's delay, caused by Phoebe being in the Underworld and the Source's double cross on the deal he makes with her, is why he can't still save them both.

If SD had not been axed from the show, he would have saved them both or maybe Prue would have spent time as ghost and was then brought back. This would be an interesting question to ask Brad Kern. What would the conclusion to that cliffhanger had been if SD was still in the show? It would be interesting if he remembers what he was planning to do. Normally, he doesn't seem to like to talk about the pre Paige years, as it was a messy firing. Perhaps this is one question he would answer about that time period. In Charmed magazine, they have an "ask Brad" column each issue.

[colehellsangel]

We don't know that he tried to save both at the same time, but all some of us are saying is that it's highly probable.

Well we know he did the first time.

Personally I don't think the Charmed World has good explanation for Prue's death even if we can pretty accurately guess because we know that Prue was not supposed to die because Shannon was ready for a fourth season but because Kern got rid of her they just need a last minute excuse to dismiss Prue.

That's all we know for sure.

[Esmeralda]

colehellsangel said:

whitelightertony said:

Piper was in an extremely volatile emotional state prior to (and during) Prue's funeral...she wasn't thinking clearly. She was ranting and looking for people to blame and lash out at (remember, later in the episode she accuses Phoebe of having a death wish). Leo was much more calm and composed in the time surrounding the funeral.

Also, I highly doubt that Leo would ignore Prue's severe injuries when he knew that Prue's death would have such a traumatic effect on Piper. Therefore, it is logical to assume that when Leo orbed in there was simply nothing he could do to help Prue, since he can't heal the dead.

Yes perfectly said Whitelightertony. I agree completely. I think Leo would have felt the same way Cole always did about Phoebe loosing another sister. Cole saved Paige from the Vampires despite that he hated her by that time so that he would not have to see Phoebe emotionally scar from loosing another sister and this time also the power of three.

I think Leo would have felt the same way especially because he even admitted in Apocalypse Not that he loved Prue, so he would care about weather she lived or died just as much as he would Piper.

Yes, he loves Prue, just like he loves Phoebe and Paige, but they're not his wife, not his soulmate, not the one he would've given up immortality for. She's the one he risked healing while she was still between worlds, something he coul've done for Prue and didn't because he didn't love her the same way he loves Piper.

If due to the time lag, due to Phoebe still being down below and unable to say the spell that made Shax go away (which also means that Leo wouldn't be down below), if both Prue and Piper were very near death so he could only heal one, he would rush to Piper, put both of his hands over her and heal her. It's what Piper said he did and he never said, "No, I had my hands over both of you, but she was already dead," or "she was too far gone" -- only that she was once he turned to Prue after Piper was healed.

It doesn't matter what state Piper was in. If Leo had said , "No I had my hands over both of you," it would've shown her that he had tried. He never said that, because he never did it.

[pipercharmedphreak]

I must say I agree with Es here. We get the information numerous times that Leo loves all the sisters, but because Piper is his wife, it makes sense to me that Leo would have healed her first. And yes, because of Phoebe, Cole, and Leo being in the Underworld it would have taken more time to heal the girls because they would have been injured longer. One way I can relate this to human nature is if there is some sort of accident concerning numerous people and someone you know is at that place, at that time, the first person you ask about is that person you know. It's human nature to ask and care for the people you love. Piper and Leo are soulmates so they had a different kind of love than Leo did with his charges, even stronger IMO. To me Leo healed Piper first and it was to late to save Prue.

[ljones]

It doesn't matter what state Piper was in. If Leo had said , "No I had my hands over both of you," it would've shown her that he had tried. He never said that, because he never did it.

Actually . . . we don't know if Leo had tried to heal them both or tried to heal them one at a time.

[colehellsangel]

esmeralda said:

colehellsangel said:

Yes perfectly said Whitelightertony. I agree completely. I think Leo would have felt the same way Cole always did about Phoebe loosing another sister. Cole saved Paige from the Vampires despite that he hated her by that time so that he would not have to see Phoebe emotionally scar from loosing another sister and this time also the power of three.

I think Leo would have felt the same way especially because he even admitted in Apocalypse Not that he loved Prue, so he would care about weather she lived or died just as much as he would Piper.

Yes, he loves Prue, just like he loves Phoebe and Paige, but they're not his wife, not his soulmate, not the one he would've given up immortality for. She's the one he risked healing while she was still between worlds, something he coul've done for Prue and didn't because he didn't love her the same way he loves Piper.

If due to the time lag, due to Phoebe still being down below and unable to say the spell that made Shax go away (which also means that Leo wouldn't be down below), if both Prue and Piper were very near death so he could only heal one, he would rush to Piper, put both of his hands over her and heal her. It's what Piper said he did and he never said, "No, I had my hands over both of you, but she was already dead," or "she was too far gone" -- only that she was once he turned to Prue after Piper was healed.

It doesn't matter what state Piper was in. If Leo had said , "No I had my hands over both of you," it would've shown her that he had tried. He never said that, because he never did it.

Yeah but just because she said that does not make it true. People can lash out like that when they are heavily grieving. She also made a point several tims of blaming magic for not being able to bring her back. Plus we see Leo heal both of them at the same time the first time around so why would it be any different the second?

I am still convinced that she just needed someone or something to blame and get pissed at and if she accepted that Leo tried to heal Prue and was too late than she would have nothing to get pissed at and its obvious that she needed someone to get pissed at because she even told Leo that she was past angry and at pissed off.

[pipercharmedphreak]

I think everything was different the second time. Phoebe, Cole and Leo were in the Underworld for one.

[Esmeralda]

pipercharmedphreak said:

I think everything was different the second time. Phoebe, Cole and Leo were in the Underworld for one.

Exactly. If everything was exactly the same, Prue would still be alive. She isn't because everything was different. And, yes, Piper might have needed someone to blame, but if she did and if Leo was simply accepting that, he would've simply been quiet and let her vent. He didn't. He replied back trying to explain his actions. And his actions were simple--his first thought was to save his soulmate. And no one (except Piper) can blame him for that.

[whitelightertony]

She's the one he risked healing while she was still between worlds, something he coul've done for Prue and didn't because he didn't love her the same way he loves Piper.

Except there was nothing in "All Hell Breaks Loose" or "Charmed Again - Part 1" to indicate that Leo *HAD* to choose between saving only Piper or only Prue. So there's no reason to believe he wouldn't have healed both of them simultaneously, if he'd had that opportunity.

If due to the time lag, due to Phoebe still being down below and unable to say the spell that made Shax go away (which also means that Leo wouldn't be down below), if both Prue and Piper were very near death so he could only heal one, he would rush to Piper, put both of his hands over her and heal her. It's what Piper said he did and he never said, "No, I had my hands over both of you, but she was already dead," or "she was too far gone" -- only that she was once he turned to Prue after Piper was healed.

So you're going to trust the rantings of an irrational Piper over a calm, collected Leo? O-kay....

It doesn't matter what state Piper was in. If Leo had said , "No I had my hands over both of you," it would've shown her that he had tried. He never said that, because he never did it.

As ljones pointed out, the writers never explicitly stated one way or the other what the sequence of events was. So all you have to prove that Leo "never did it" (never tried to heal Prue) is the rant of a heartbroken woman who'd just lost her only big sister and best friend.

[colehellsangel]

As ljones pointed out, the writers never explicitly stated one way or the other what the sequence of events was. So all you have to prove that Leo "never did it" (never tried to heal Prue) is the rant of a heartbroken woman who'd just lost her only big sister and best friend.

Yes I agree. We can all interpret the events any way we want based on whatever evidence we want. Everyone's views expressed in this thread are all wonderfully creative and bring up interesting points. But we can not speak as if we can prove what happened. ljones and whitelightertony seem to be the only ones remembering that although I don't mean to jump on anyone else, no one has committed any wrong here. I just think its taking this too seriously and being a little too irrational to speak as though we can prove something that is not explained. We all need to remember that all we are doing here is creating theories based on evidence that seems to make the most sense to us not to try to prove any particular story or make someone else's seem like it makes less sense than ours.

I just think that a few of us may be unintentionally forgetting that just a smidge. I might be doing it too and I am truly sorry.

[Reality Bites]

I’ve stumbled across this awesome clip that shows an alternative memory from season 5’s “Cat House” (5x18). In this fan made video, Phoebe and Paige are transported back in time and witness Leo successfully healing Piper, but failing to heal Prue after the closing events shown in season three’s “All Hell Breaks Loose” (3x22). I marvel at the creativeness of die hard Charmed fans! It may look a little choppy, but it’s still a job well done! I know this doesn't technically (or canonically) answer the question of what happened to Prue, but it gives us a visual of one of the theories that have been brought up in the past!

To view the video click on the below link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pps_bouy6Nc

[colehellsangel]

realitybites said:

I’ve stumbled across this awesome clip that shows an alternative memory from season 5’s “Cat House” (5x18). In this fan made video, Phoebe and Paige are transported back in time and witness Leo successfully healing Piper, but failing to heal Prue after the closing events shown in season three’s “All Hell Breaks Loose” (3x22). I marvel at the creativeness of die hard Charmed fans! It may look a little choppy, but it’s still a job well done! I know this doesn't technically (or canonically) answer the question of what happened to Prue, but it gives us a visual of one of the theories that have been brought up in the past!

To view the video click on the below link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pps_bouy6Nc

Wow thank you for sharing that Reality Bites. What a creative and talented person that made that. Its obviously not perfect because the scenes can't be made to match perfectly only ordered in a certain way to look like they match. But at least now everyone can now see what I was trying to say that the first time Leo DOES try to heal both with both hands.

It ended weirdly though, but that can't be helped because of what I said earlier that the scenes can't be made to match perfectly and non-existing scenes and lines can not be added. Also very interesting that they put Cole as having been there.

Very creative video.

[spiritsas]

esmeralda said:

colehellsangel said:

It doesn't matter what state Piper was in. If Leo had said , "No I had my hands over both of you," it would've shown her that he had tried. He never said that, because he never did it.

But that was not the line which was written for him to say. He was trying to reach out to Piper, who was admittedly "pissed off" at him, at the Elders, at pretty much the whole world. She wasn't looking for explanations and so that wasn't his line. He was doing more listening than talking, as he should be doing in such a situation.

[spiritsas]

esmeralda said:

pipercharmedphreak said:

I think everything was different the second time. Phoebe, Cole and Leo were in the Underworld for one.

Exactly. If everything was exactly the same, Prue would still be alive. She isn't because everything was different. And, yes, Piper might have needed someone to blame, but if she did and if Leo was simply accepting that, he would've simply been quiet and let her vent. He didn't. He replied back trying to explain his actions. And his actions were simple--his first thought was to save his soulmate. And no one (except Piper) can blame him for that.

Acutally he did let her vent and he never tried to explain very much except that he couldn't heal the dead and neither could the Elders. He never tried to defend himself.

The second time he shows up has to be different than the first, but there is no reason to believe he did things differently; only the results were different. Let's imagine, because that's all we can do, the situation. He's trying to heal them both (for sake of argument, go with me here), but only Piper revives. She see's Leo continuing to try and heal Prue and that she's not coming around. I would imagine that she is pretty distrought and is either crying or yelling at Leo (or both) to heal Prue, but he can't. It's too late. From her point of view, it may look like he healed her first, when he was trying to save them both at the same time.

Now this is all theory and speculation, but it explains the conversation between Leo and Piper in their bedroom before the funeral and what happened when Leo did finally, after being delayed, arrives from the Underworld, possibly with Phoebe in tow. That is all a theory needs to do, is account for the observed events.

The theory that Leo first saves Piper, then turns his attention to Prue, allowing her to die, can explain this too, but what it doesn't explain is why would he do that when he didn't do it the first time. He couldn't tell Piper needed more saving the second time than the first. The only difference is that he gets there later and Prue had already passed on.

So my question is why is it so important to slam Leo and question his motivations the second time, but not the first? Why blame him when, in reality, it was the firing of SD which lead to this result (and it's not clear it was Kern who did this, but certainly, as the Executive Producer, he knew it was going to happen). Anyway, if you have two theories and one explains all the observed events and one only explains most of them, which do you go with?

[spiritsas]

realitybites said:

I’ve stumbled across this awesome clip that shows an alternative memory from season 5’s “Cat House” (5x18). In this fan made video, Phoebe and Paige are transported back in time and witness Leo successfully healing Piper, but failing to heal Prue after the closing events shown in season three’s “All Hell Breaks Loose” (3x22). I marvel at the creativeness of die hard Charmed fans! It may look a little choppy, but it’s still a job well done! I know this doesn't technically (or canonically) answer the question of what happened to Prue, but it gives us a visual of one of the theories that have been brought up in the past!

To view the video click on the below link:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pps_bouy6Nc

That is a truly interesting video. Besides showing the Leo, the first time, did heal them both at once, it also brings up another point. Prue is hit by the demon first. Sure it's only a few seconds before Piper is nailed and goes flying, but it may have been those few seconds, added to Leo arriving later than the first time, which makes all the difference. At least in theory. We can't prove, as has been noted, any of this, but it best explains what could have happened if they had decided to film it.

[ljones]

Now this is all theory and speculation, but it explains the conversation between Leo and Piper in their bedroom before the funeral and what happened when Leo did finally, after being delayed, arrives from the Underworld, possibly with Phoebe in tow. That is all a theory needs to do, is account for the observed events.

This might be a theory, but I don't believe that this completely explains the conversation between Piper and Leo.

That is a truly interesting video. Besides showing the Leo, the first time, did heal them both at once, it also brings up another point. Prue is hit by the demon first. Sure it's only a few seconds before Piper is nailed and goes flying, but it may have been those few seconds, added to Leo arriving later than the first time, which makes all the difference. At least in theory. We can't prove, as has been noted, any of this, but it best explains what could have happened if they had decided to film it.

I believe that it's merely one explanation. But I disagree that it "best" explained the situation.

[spiritsas]

LJ, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I think the writers and Kern did their best explain what happened, but there is always room, as in this case, for multiple interpretations. I caveat nearly all my posts by noting that this is just a theory and speculation and we simply disagree that one theory better explains what we observe than another. I don't know why you, and others perhaps, want to believe that one line from Piper, while she is angry and upset (and probably suffering from survivor's guilt - or at least HMC is acting the part that way) weighs more than all the other observed behavior (from the first time, when Leo healed them both at the same time).

However, your opinion is yours to hold and until someone asks one of the cast or Kern what the intentions were, then this discussion can't be settled one way or the other. Perhaps someone can ask HMC or AM what the writers were implying without showing it. If the interpretation, by those who were there, is not in agreement with yours, then you may need to reconsider (as I would if the interpretation in closer to your theory). I'm happy to leave it at that.

[hannahpotter]

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