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Post by kbyoungman on Jan 19, 2008 18:37:07 GMT -5
So, I have never seen actual episode where Prue dies. In the end of season three, they leave it open, but at the start of the fourth season, they are having her funeral. Did they just not show that episode, or do we just assume that she died from Jax? and how did pheobe get out from the source??
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 19, 2008 19:03:48 GMT -5
There is no episode between All Hell Breaks Loose and Charmed Again. A lot is left to be interpretted but the overall story goes like this.
Shax (not Jax), sent Prue and Piper flying through a wall leaving them bleeding on the floor. Phoebe wasn't around to call for Leo because she was in the underworld. Leo, instead, was helping Phoebe and Cole to escape from the Source. By the time they had gotten back to the manner, Leo attempts to heal Prue and Piper. Prue was already dead and Piper was about to die. Basically, Prue's injuries were more severe and Leo was too late to save Prue, but not Piper.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 19, 2008 20:25:25 GMT -5
Yes they do skip an entire sequence of events, but Prue was shown on the ground unconscious with Piper with blood coming from the back of her head. So one can assume that she suffered a fatal crack to the skull and instantly died. They just don't show Piper being healed and Leo discovering that his powers are not working on Prue.
Basically they just needed a way to write Shannon out as she was discontinuing the show due according to most evidence being fired for one reason or another. So I guess they figured just get the point across and move on. Although I would have very much like to have seen those in between events as well as Victor being informed of the tragedy. In fact for those reading my fic Afterlife I am planning to write them up in either a Prologue or cut scene(I haven't decided yet).
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Post by ljones on Jan 19, 2008 21:16:47 GMT -5
Actually, we really don't know if this is true or not. For all we know, Piper was just as seriously wounded as Prue. But since Leo healed her first . . . she didn't die.
Again, this is simply another interpretation, since the writers were never really clear on the details.
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 19, 2008 21:41:32 GMT -5
Actually, we really don't know if this is true or not. For all we know, Piper was just as seriously wounded as Prue. But since Leo healed her first . . . she didn't die. Again, this is simply another interpretation, since the writers were never really clear on the details. Actually, when you see how they were thrown through the wall..it makes sense that Prue's injuries were more severe. I wouldn't say she died instantly considering Leo was able to heal her the first time. But she definitely had a shorter time to live than Piper. If you watch, Prue is sent through the wall practically head first. Piper goes through the wall with her whole body. So the injuries Prue had allowed less healing time. But I have to disagree about Leo healing Piper first. He healed them both at the same time last time and I don't see why he would have acted any differently the second time considering he was in the Underworld when the time change occurred so he would have remembered the events and would have acted the same. Prue was basically just DOA when Leo got there with Piper hanging on by a thread. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 19, 2008 23:13:33 GMT -5
Oh yeah I forgot to consider that, ah DUH  Forget that I said she probably died instantly. But from this image: img.photobucket.com/albums/v140/angel624/Charmed/PruePiperShaxAttack.jpgIts obvious that Prue was in fact suffering a severe hemorrhage of the head which if it does not kill instantly; does not allow much time. I agree 100% thats how I always pictured it. So in conclusion to all of this evidence, we can see that it was out of Leo's control weather he went for Piper first or not. Which I agree with The Original P3 that he did not, but tried to heal them at the same time just was too late for Prue. |
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Post by Hansemand on Jan 20, 2008 0:11:16 GMT -5
Yes they do skip an entire sequence of events, but Prue was shown on the ground unconscious with Piper with blood coming from the back of her head. So one can assume that she suffered a fatal crack to the skull and instantly died. They just don't show Piper being healed and Leo discovering that his powers are not working on Prue. I partly agree. Remember the first time they were thrown thrue the wall, Leo was able to save them both, because he was not in the underworld. Then time was turned back, now Leo was in the underworld and could not get to both of them fast enough, so Prue died. Both times the injuries was the same, so this means that Prue did not die instantly, i would set the time to around 2-3 minutes before she died of massive bleeding in her skull that shut down her brain, some of that blood you see running out on the floor underneath her head due to a small fracture of her skull. Its not uncommon that this happens, a lot of people has gotten killed like this in a carcrash, because they forgot the seatbelt and then banged their head against the windscreen. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 20, 2008 4:04:34 GMT -5
Actually . . . it doesn't make sense to me. To me, it's merely a matter of each individual's interpretation. It seemed to me that both Prue and Piper were seriously injured. And didn't Piper accuse Leo of healing her first? Well, she made some kind of accusation:
Why would Piper say this if Leo had tried to save both her and Prue at the same time?
I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong . . . or vice versa. All I'm saying is that we will never know the complete truth on why Prue died before Leo could heal her. I don't think that we really know whether she was more seriously injured than Piper . . . or that Leo healed Piper before he tried to heal Prue.
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 20, 2008 13:29:49 GMT -5
They were both seriously injuried although Prue was more hurt. First of all, Prue was the first to go through the wall which was standing nice and strong before. When Piper was sent through it was already weaked so it would have taken less of an impact and a weaker hit to make the rest of it collapse. Then you have to look at the specific injuries. Piper appears to be bleeding from the nose. Prue, on the other hand, was bleeding from her ears and the back of the head. Prue just suffered a much more serious head injury than Piper which gave her less time to live.
It's also my understanding that Shannen wanted to show Prue bleeding severely from her head so as to make sense of why she wouldn't have survived. I think that in itself speaks volumes of the injuries they had.
Well Leo knew how seriously injuried both of them were, he can obviously heal 2 people at the same time as he did the first time. Piper was angry and hurt when she said it. She was ranting. Believing the Leo healed her over Prue when she valued her own life less than Prue's. And it's as simple as Piper believing that Leo saved her because she is his wife. Piper was in state of shock and trying to place blame on someone else who wasn't the demon.
Where I think she got this idea is Leo was healing both of them at the same time, Piper woke up and Leo started to concentrate even more on Prue. Piper could have perceived that as a first and second method of healing as opposed to what he did the first time which was heal them both at the same time.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 20, 2008 15:51:30 GMT -5
Yes but from the excellent facts The Original P3 provides:
Prove that Piper had only accused Leo of healing her first because she was in a state of hard shock and she was broken and grieving. She often tends to twists things to make them look the way she wants when she is really upset. She lost her sister and best friend and badly needed someone to blame and Leo happened to be the only one in the room with her and conveniently was the one who failed to heal Prue because he was there too late. Thats how I look at it anyway because I side with The Original P3.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 22, 2008 15:17:22 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. But as pointed out in Primrose Empath's fantastic new fic "Our Screwed-Up Destiny" (all right, I'm prejudiced because I helped her write it.  ), as usual Piper blamed the wrong person. If you look at what happened before the time was changed and after, the true person she should've been blaming wasn't Leo but Phoebe. If Phoebe hadn't gone after Cole so Leo had to go after Phoebe, Phoebe would've been on the stairs where she could've said the spell so that both Piper and Prue would've been OK--even if Leo hadn't gotten there in time. So the true cause of Prue's death is Phoebe's love of Cole! Even if she didn't say the spell, if Phoebe had not been in the Underworld with Cole, Leo would've been able to heal Piper when she was shot and both Prue and Phoebe when they went through the wall. In both cases, the fault all lies with Phoebe! |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 22, 2008 18:41:34 GMT -5
I agree with all of this. But as pointed out in Primrose Empath's fantastic new fic "Our Screwed-Up Destiny" (all right, I'm prejudiced because I helped her write it. ), as usual Piper blamed the wrong person. If you look at what happened before the time was changed and after, the true person she should've been blaming wasn't Leo but Phoebe. If Phoebe hadn't gone after Cole so Leo had to go after Phoebe, Phoebe would've been on the stairs where she could've said the spell so that both Piper and Prue would've been OK--even if Leo hadn't gotten there in time. So the true cause of Prue's death is Phoebe's love of Cole! Even if she didn't say the spell, if Phoebe had not been in the Underworld with Cole, Leo would've been able to heal Piper when she was shot and both Prue and Phoebe when they went through the wall. In both cases, the fault all lies with Phoebe! Yeah thats exactly right, had Phoebe not been in the underworld with Cole she could have been there to call Leo down on time to heal both as the first time played out. So really Phoebe does take a lot of blame. I had not considered that before. Nicely done Esmeralda. |
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 22, 2008 18:46:48 GMT -5
Phoebe really should have taken blame or at least felt guilty. If my memory serves me correctly then Phoebe does not act/feel as guilty as it would have been interesting as to see. (If she does then, someone please correct me) Piper felt the guilt and blamed someone else, but Phoebe just wanted revenge. It would have been interesting to see Phoebe deal with that burden of guilt.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 22, 2008 18:54:35 GMT -5
Phoebe really should have taken blame or at least felt guilty. If my memory serves me correctly then Phoebe does not act/feel as guilty as it would have been interesting as to see. (If she does then, someone please correct me) Piper felt the guilt and blamed someone else, but Phoebe just wanted revenge. It would have been interesting to see Phoebe deal with that burden of guilt. She was shown feeling a little guilty but it is hardly satisfying. In Hell Hath No Fury when they are fending off Piper she says: "I am the sister that abandoned you aren't I? You think its my fault Prue died..." she hardly gets it out though especially when she mentions Prue because right then Fury Piper kicks her. |
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 22, 2008 19:02:15 GMT -5
That's right. Thanks. I thought she said something along those lines but I wasn't sure. Thanks!
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 22, 2008 19:11:00 GMT -5
Alyssa's attempt at acting with grief was the most pathetic attempt at moarning I've ever seen. It wasn't even halfway believable. Especially when she "breaks down" in Charmed Again over the shirt she borrowed from Prue that Prue thought Piper did. She wasn't even actually crying.
And I've always agreed that Phoebe was the one to be blamed for Prue's death..or at least played the largest indirect hand in it. Well put Esmeralda.
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Post by pipercharmedphreak on Jan 22, 2008 19:17:02 GMT -5
I agree! That moment (when Phoebe was upset about Prue's jacket and whatnot) probably is the most unbelievable breakdown scene in Charmed. That ranks up there on my list along with the scene in S7 when Paige has to come to terms with Kyle's death and says " I don't want to" *barf* For me VERY unbelievable!
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 22, 2008 20:15:52 GMT -5
The only grief-scene more pitiful than those was Billie's mourning Christy. Talk about OVER-ACTING!  To respond to a different thread--now we know why Piper cries too much--once Shannen was gone, Holly is the only one who could grieve believably, so the show was set up so that Piper would be the one who would grieve, the reason I call the last three seasons (and Oh, My Goddess!) "The Perils of Piper", not "Charmed". There's no doubt that Alyssa was celebrating Shannen's being fired and now she had top billing *and* was a producer along with Holly. She had a *very* hard time playing Phoebe-grieving-Prue. No doubt she and Shannen made up later (I've heard their friends now), but there's no doubt that during Charmed Again she was happy that Shannen wasn't around. |
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 22, 2008 20:35:35 GMT -5
Oh I agree that Alyssa's lack-there-of acting was in part because she didn't really care. Holly's acting on the other hand was much more believable as she could actually feel sad that her best friend was no longer working with her on a show that she got her on in the first place.
But Alyssa (and Holly) weren't made producers until season 5.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 22, 2008 21:05:21 GMT -5
Are you sure? I don't have those DVDs, but I could've SWORN I noticed the "Producer: Alyssa Milano" and "Producer: Holly Marie Combs" the same time they changed the credits.
But since it has been SOOOOO long since I've watched any of those (I'm at work when they're on TNT and I've only got the DVDs for the first three seasons), it's probably my memory that's off. If so, cross that off my post. BUT as you said, I'm sure Piper's fantastically believable show of grief was due to Holly's reaction towards her friend being fired, while Phoebe's unbelieveable grief (and no sign of guilt) had to do with Alyssa's delight that Shannen was gone.
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Forget that I said she probably died instantly.
), as usual Piper blamed the wrong person. If you look at what happened before the time was changed and after, the true person she should've been blaming wasn't Leo but Phoebe. If Phoebe hadn't gone after Cole so Leo had to go after Phoebe, Phoebe would've been on the stairs where she could've said the spell so that both Piper and Prue would've been OK--even if Leo hadn't gotten there in time. So the true cause of Prue's death is Phoebe's love of Cole! Even if she didn't say the spell, if Phoebe had not been in the Underworld with Cole, Leo would've been able to heal Piper when she was shot and both Prue and Phoebe when they went through the wall. In both cases, the fault all lies with Phoebe!
To respond to a different thread--now we know why Piper cries too much--once Shannen was gone, Holly is the only one who could grieve believably, so the show was set up so that Piper would be the one who would grieve, the reason I call the last three seasons (and Oh, My Goddess!) "The Perils of Piper", not "Charmed".