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Post by Astral Echo on Apr 23, 2008 10:47:54 GMT -5
We associate fire with evil - Tyler was a firestarter and the Source was trying to groom him as an evil child through his demonic foster parents while Max for example had a power we associate more with good and wasn't. We simply think of fire as evil, one of the reason they made Christy firestarter!
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 24, 2008 2:19:31 GMT -5
Why? Why would forming fire into balls be considered demonic, but simply conjuring fire or a stream of fire wouldn't?  Why would the shape of the fire being manifested matter? Thinking about it literally, it shouldn't. But so far as I can remember, we've never seen a good witch on the show who can create fireballs; that's always been a power associated with demons. (And while it may not make sense in real life, this is fiction, and sometimes "rules" are made for certain universes, and this seems to be one of those for Charmed.) And like Dan said, people with fire-based powers, with the exception of Tyler (who was neutral, but The Source was trying to turn into his body guard because of his power), have never been associated with the side of good: - Kali (and Aviva, while under Kali's control/influence/power) - Demons - The Source - P. Russell - Unborn Halliwell-Turner - Christy |
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Post by jate88 on Apr 24, 2008 11:06:37 GMT -5
Why? Why would forming fire into balls be considered demonic, but simply conjuring fire or a stream of fire wouldn't? Why would the shape of the fire being manifested matter? Thinking about it literally, it shouldn't. But so far as I can remember, we've never seen a good witch on the show who can create fireballs; that's always been a power associated with demons. (And while it may not make sense in real life, this is fiction, and sometimes "rules" are made for certain universes, and this seems to be one of those for Charmed.) And like Dan said, people with fire-based powers, with the exception of Tyler (who was neutral, but The Source was trying to turn into his body guard because of his power), have never been associated with the side of good: - Kali (and Aviva, while under Kali's control/influence/power) - Demons - The Source - P. Russell - Unborn Halliwell-Turner - Christy didn't Wyatt also make two demons spontaneously combust in it's a bad bad world |
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Post by ArchAngel on Apr 24, 2008 12:59:57 GMT -5
It repeatedly was said in Charmed that the ability to create fireballs is a demonic power. Not exactly something i can picture Phoebe having as a power in the future, since she is a witch. Yes and no. They steal such powers from Female witches and young "firestarters" as well as from each other. They also may buy, barter, or trade such powers as commodities or as currency It's why COle had Firestarter powers early on (along with other powers) but after being on the run and "looking for information" all he had left was Energy balls. "Mental powers" like that the of the Male witch in "Witches in Tights" and the 1st Male Witch are usually not in the possesion of Demons cause 1) Such powers could kill a demon with a mere thought/look making Male Witches way more dangerous then Female Witches "thrown" powers (Future Wyatt's thought projection "How dare you attack my family" and all the attackers die at once) 2) Only way to get such powers would be to get the male Witch when they are young and "manipulatable" land vulnerable like the "Witches in tights" boy which is going to be a relatively rare occurrence as under normal circumstances a child witch would be protected by their parents and/or guardians with all the ferocity of Piper blasting though that gate she couldn't blast through until the boy started screaming |
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Post by ljones on Apr 24, 2008 13:55:58 GMT -5
We associate fire with evil - Tyler was a firestarter and the Source was trying to groom him as an evil child through his demonic foster parents while Max for example had a power we associate more with good and wasn't. We simply think of fire as evil, one of the reason they made Christy firestarter! I wonder why Western society does that - associate fire with evil. It's just another element, like water, wind and earth. And like the other three elements, fire can be both beneficial and destructive. So why equate fire with evil? Yes, he did. As for Tyler, Piper made it perfectly clear to him and Leo that it was not the ability (firestarter) that made one evil, but the individual's actions and/or intent. Or . . . the writers could have forgotten that Cole had pyrokinesis. Also, his energy balls consisted of electricity, which is another form of fire. |
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Post by jate88 on Apr 24, 2008 22:58:48 GMT -5
electricity and fire are the same thing |
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Post by Hansemand on Apr 25, 2008 8:49:38 GMT -5
electricity and fire are the same thing Now thats a realy good question, can you explain ljones ? |
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Post by jate88 on Apr 25, 2008 10:23:59 GMT -5
They both involve heat. I know that much.
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Post by honeypie on Apr 28, 2008 5:23:47 GMT -5
well the only way i could explain it, is that the prophecy said the third sister gets the power of telekinesis, maybe that's why phoebe got to levitate, she was the third sister, but prue had the other power so they couldn't give her telekinesis.
and the one episode where phoebe got the dragon demons power to fly, maybe the elders thought she could handle that power, maybe that's why she got the power to levitate.
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Post by jate88 on May 2, 2008 21:48:55 GMT -5
I like your signature. Maybe we should get back to the topic at hand.
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Post by Astral Chaos on Jun 12, 2008 5:57:56 GMT -5
All of Phoebe's powers have been shown to originate from different sources of psychic energy - (IMO) Levitation is just another form of psychic energy that has chosen to be expressed physically rather than mentally. This theory is weak at best though.
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Post by heartofempathy on Jul 3, 2019 16:06:09 GMT -5
I believe her levitation is linked to her premonitions , but in reverse in the comics. Pheobe isn’t telekinetic, but she is. I think because Pheobe is feel and channel psychic energy she can also control it in a telekinetic sense. Like how she reversed her connection to the succubus to control will. Pheobe willed herself away from
Danger with her levitation power. And in the comics she literally seen Phoenix Arizona in her minds eyes and willed herself there, via flight, in the blink of an eye. I don’t think that her power is levitation at all she just wills it to be so. She said in one episode that when she has a premonition she fella as though she is being. Pulled against her will.
Even more proof is her empathic channeling to deflect powers
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 12:26:59 GMT -5
Simple, because Brad Kern is an illogical moron. It makes absolutely NO sense whatever for Phoebe to have gained/possessed this power. I knew as a viewer that Burge jumped ship by this point because it was SO out of character for something like this to occur. Plus, she handled Prue's power of astral projection with such finesse that I knew Constance couldn't have been responsible for such idiocracy
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 14, 2020 14:34:03 GMT -5
If Connie was running the show season 2 onward I'm sure the sisters either would've not got new powers and just expanded the girl's original ones more or given Prue levitation and Phoebe astral projection which when she got astral premonitions would've made perfect sense why then.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 18, 2020 21:11:55 GMT -5
If Connie was running the show season 2 onward I'm sure the sisters either would've not got new powers and just expanded the girl's original ones more or given Prue levitation and Phoebe astral projection which when she got astral premonitions would've made perfect sense why then. Totally. I would have preferred Phoebe just to have passive powers, Piper to have reactionary and Prue to be offensive. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 18, 2020 22:01:49 GMT -5
If Connie was running the show season 2 onward I'm sure the sisters either would've not got new powers and just expanded the girl's original ones more or given Prue levitation and Phoebe astral projection which when she got astral premonitions would've made perfect sense why then. Totally. I would have preferred Phoebe just to have passive powers, Piper to have reactionary and Prue to be offensive. Oh, that would've been perfect, especially if Paige got Prue's powers that were EXACTLY like hers. |
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Post by Sasha on Feb 18, 2020 23:53:36 GMT -5
Totally. I would have preferred Phoebe just to have passive powers, Piper to have reactionary and Prue to be offensive. Oh, that would've been perfect, especially if Paige got Prue's powers that were EXACTLY like hers. That would have been perfect. When one sister can orb or teleport, it took the fun out them being in danger. I really hated orbing and how it got used, especially with Paige being able to orb the whole family. I'm surprised as a hybrid, her orbing wasn't limited compared to a full whitelighter. I hated that she was able to sense, orb and heal like a regular whitelighter. She just always felt more whitelighter than witch to me. Although, even canon changed whitelighters being able to orb people, and in the earlier seasons, you had to hug them and could only orb one person, and it had side affects after like like Piper in P3 H20. |
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 19, 2020 3:44:58 GMT -5
I didn't like Paige orbing so quickly and being a cosmic taxi like Leo and so would've preferred she learnt that sporadically so in season 4 she could only either reappear in the same spot or anywhere in the same toom she was in.
Season 5 Paige orbs into another room of wherever she is.
Season 6 anywhere along Prescott Street or if in San Francisco anywhere along the street of the building her and whoever's with her are in.
Season 7 Paige can orb into San Francisco from the Manor so up until then her, Piper, and Phoebe would have to drive to wherever an innocent was that needed saving including anywhere outside town.
And season 8 orb across America and into and out of the Underworld then to other countries from the comics.
Her only other power had Paige just being able to orb people and things would've worked the same way so she'd have been balanced okay.
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Post by stratego on Aug 5, 2020 15:22:18 GMT -5
Prue should've gotten levitation, while Phoebe should've gotten astral projection so she could've kicked the bad guy's azz from behind.
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Post by Esmeralda on Aug 5, 2020 21:13:57 GMT -5
My take: Remember in "Be Careful What You Witch For," Phoebe wished for an active power and the Genie gave her the Dragon Warlock's ability to fly? Honestly, that is the only way I'm thinking. Of course, I don't really understand the mechanics of how levitation works, so I can't really answer. Prue's are mind based and Piper's are molecular. Phoebe's powers are messed up..like her. Hmmmm. I somehow missed this thread and laughed my head off when I read this! I think you knocked this one out of the park, AW! |
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